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Hi Mikki,

The Cytomel gave me warm hands and feet which I have never had as well as a new sense of “energy” and well-being which for me was the precursors I needed to relax more :)

Cytomel itself can rev you up, and even make you a bit racy if you take too much, but it’s easy to control with 5mg tablets and to adjust -- I have had anxiety all my life but I have such high energy during the day that now I sleep like a bear at night 7 to 8 hours when I was going on broken 6 hours pre-Cytomel....

Sue

Thanks Sue and Dawn! Sue didn't you say that the Cytomel helped with

your anxiety? I am still having some anxiety issues (which are new

since my thyroid started having problems) ... AND I am starting to

realize that the days I have anxiety seem to be days that my body temp

stays low ... a few days ago I flaked out pretty bad and my temps never

got about 97 that day. Today at noon I am still only 96.7 and am

having similar issues ...

I'm hoping to talk to my doc today and get a prescription, from our

previous discussion I think he's more a fan of Armour than Cytomel but

Armour has T3 also so it might help.

Thanks again, you ladies are such a wealth of information!

Mikki

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Hi Mikki,

The Cytomel gave me warm hands and feet which I have never had as well as a new sense of “energy” and well-being which for me was the precursors I needed to relax more :)

Cytomel itself can rev you up, and even make you a bit racy if you take too much, but it’s easy to control with 5mg tablets and to adjust -- I have had anxiety all my life but I have such high energy during the day that now I sleep like a bear at night 7 to 8 hours when I was going on broken 6 hours pre-Cytomel....

Sue

Thanks Sue and Dawn! Sue didn't you say that the Cytomel helped with

your anxiety? I am still having some anxiety issues (which are new

since my thyroid started having problems) ... AND I am starting to

realize that the days I have anxiety seem to be days that my body temp

stays low ... a few days ago I flaked out pretty bad and my temps never

got about 97 that day. Today at noon I am still only 96.7 and am

having similar issues ...

I'm hoping to talk to my doc today and get a prescription, from our

previous discussion I think he's more a fan of Armour than Cytomel but

Armour has T3 also so it might help.

Thanks again, you ladies are such a wealth of information!

Mikki

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Hi Mikki,

The Cytomel gave me warm hands and feet which I have never had as well as a new sense of “energy” and well-being which for me was the precursors I needed to relax more :)

Cytomel itself can rev you up, and even make you a bit racy if you take too much, but it’s easy to control with 5mg tablets and to adjust -- I have had anxiety all my life but I have such high energy during the day that now I sleep like a bear at night 7 to 8 hours when I was going on broken 6 hours pre-Cytomel....

Sue

Thanks Sue and Dawn! Sue didn't you say that the Cytomel helped with

your anxiety? I am still having some anxiety issues (which are new

since my thyroid started having problems) ... AND I am starting to

realize that the days I have anxiety seem to be days that my body temp

stays low ... a few days ago I flaked out pretty bad and my temps never

got about 97 that day. Today at noon I am still only 96.7 and am

having similar issues ...

I'm hoping to talk to my doc today and get a prescription, from our

previous discussion I think he's more a fan of Armour than Cytomel but

Armour has T3 also so it might help.

Thanks again, you ladies are such a wealth of information!

Mikki

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About the medication Mikki, I'm not entirely sure, but my other group says not to take your meds the day of the test. I guess it makes sense. I had always taken mine the morning of, but the last time I didn't and I won't take it again when I know I'll have the draw. I think it's more important for the Armour since it seems to be more of a day to day thing especially with the T3, but levo builds slowly in your system and I don't think 1.5 hours would be enough time to get it into your system and convert it to T3 (that is only my opinion).

As for the temps, after 35 years on levo, my temps were not raising about 97 all day long, but I also think I was undermedicated. On the Armour, my temps rise and fall all day. Right now, I'm feeling nervous, I'm sweating profusely, which as a Hidradenitis sufferer is not good, and my temp is 98. Perhaps I just got used to running the low temps all along. Please let me know if your temps rise on the levo when you get to your correct dosage. I've also heard that it can take a long time for your temps to come up because the tissues have to heal first.

As far as adding T3 goes, I would wait until your next increase and then the labs 6 weeks after that. If at that time, your Free T4 is optimal, but your Free T3 is still low, then adding T3 would be a good thing. I actually wish I had tried that before the switch to Armour.

I'm thinking of switching back to the levo and adding a touch of Armour to bump up my T3 and my temps. I change my mind 6 times a day, mostly because how I am feeling changes just as often. I may have been undermedicated and underfunctioning on the levo, but at least it was consistant.

When you say levoxyl, is that the brand name? I take Eltroxin from Canada simply because I've been on it for decades. I was switched to Synthroid once by an Endo and I did not do well on that at all. My hair was falling out, I gained weight, just felt generally terrible. I told him at my next visit and he said "Your numbers are fine, it's not your thyroid" and sent me home. I switched back then first chance I got. If I run out of the Eltroxin, I will most likely ask for Unithroid or Levoxyl, but I will not take Synthroid.

.... In my humble opinion... Judy

Also, do you know about the list of things to not have within 4 hours of your meds? Basically anything containing soy, calcium, magnesium, iron.

Antacids: Including but not limited to Milk of Magnesia, Amphojel®, Maalox®, Mylanta®, Gaviscon®, Rolaids®, Tums®, Titralac®, Surpass®

Bile Acid Sequestrants: Prevalite®, Questran®, cholestyramine, WelChol®, Colestid®

Calcium Carbonate: Including but not limited to Os-Cal®, Caltrate®, Tums®, Titralac®, Rolaids®, Surpass®, Maalox® Quick Dissolve

Ferrous Sulfate: Including but not limited to Feosol®, Feratab®, Slow FE, certain multivitamins

Sucralfate: Carafate®

Take these drugs at least 4 hours apart from Levoxyl®.

As I was telling Sue, my temperatures are still low throughout the day (there was a bump into the 97's for a few weeks after starting levoxyl but they are back in the 96's all day long now) ... and low temperature days seem to be associated with feeling anxious ... I'm wondering if adding some T3 would help that...

No I didn't know I was supposed to not take my meds that day so I'd taken my levoxyl about 1.5 hrs before getting blood drawn ... will that have made a big difference?

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Wow, warm hands and feet outside of Texas, I can only imagine. I'll give my Armour the Christmas in Canada test and let y'all know what happens... Judy

The Cytomel gave me warm hands and feet which I have never had as well as a new sense of “energy” and well-being which for me was the precursors I needed to relax more :)

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Judy,

I am IN Texas (much to my dismay) and have had cold hands and feet my ENTIRE life...but no more :)

Wish I WERE in Canada!

Let me know how you do warming up!

:)

sue

Wow, warm hands and feet outside of Texas, I can only imagine. I'll give my Armour the Christmas in Canada test and let y'all know what happens... Judy

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It's pretty much fall here in Montana and I've had to lay over the heater vent with a blanket twice so far. Am a wuss. Spiffjytdtp wrote: Judy,I am IN Texas (much to my dismay) and have had cold hands and feet my ENTIRE life...but no more :)Wish I WERE in Canada!Let me know how you do warming up!:)sueOn 8/14/06 12:10 PM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

wrote: Wow, warm hands and feet outside of Texas, I can only imagine. I'll give my Armour the Christmas in Canada test and let y'all know what happens... Judy

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It must be the T3 then, that's great. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. Through all stages of hypo, I've never been cold when it's warm out. I don't know if I'm less warm than everyone else, but I don't notice that symptom at all. When winter rolls around though, I just cannot stay out long at all unless I'm very active, so I guess it's a circulation thing too. In the winter, even though it's warm in the house, when I go to bed, my feet are like two bricks of ice. Thank goodness I have a hubby who lets me warm them on his. I haven't spent a winter in Texas yet... Judy

I am IN Texas (much to my dismay) and have had cold hands and feet my ENTIRE life...but no more :)Wish I WERE in Canada!Let me know how you do warming up!

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It must be the T3 then, that's great. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. Through all stages of hypo, I've never been cold when it's warm out. I don't know if I'm less warm than everyone else, but I don't notice that symptom at all. When winter rolls around though, I just cannot stay out long at all unless I'm very active, so I guess it's a circulation thing too. In the winter, even though it's warm in the house, when I go to bed, my feet are like two bricks of ice. Thank goodness I have a hubby who lets me warm them on his. I haven't spent a winter in Texas yet... Judy

I am IN Texas (much to my dismay) and have had cold hands and feet my ENTIRE life...but no more :)Wish I WERE in Canada!Let me know how you do warming up!

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Arg...no...please no non-dairy creamer!

LOL, just my opinion... Judy

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I absolutely agree!!!! Another possible option that involves protein is a product called Pro-Cell which is a protein supplement that you can cook with and add to coffee. Many people find that it's a good replacement for cream since it imparts a creamy texture to most liquids it's added to. You can see it and info about it at www.vitalady.com

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I had a "friend" who's a health food freak and was howlin and pushing me to try soymilk, that Silk stuff. I bought some of the vanilla and soons I had it in my mouth I spit it in the sink. It tasted HORRIBLE to me. She was shocked and suprised. WELL DUH, I told her that just the thought of that stuff gagged me. Push push push till I tried it, spit it out and so she ended up taking it home. Note that I said she was a friend. I'm well shed of her! SpiffE Gillespie wrote: JustYourTypeDTP <justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee- mostly I like it light rather than sweet.Which so smoothly leads to my next problem : I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) -- do you think I should try soy milk — again, I don’t want yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out with food, no food, time of day, etc...! Sue: Remember that SOY is bad for thryoids. THAT is what they say anyway. Is heavy cream better than milk for those who are lactose intolerant? ~E:) On 8/17/06 9:39 AM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.Sue TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

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I had a "friend" who's a health food freak and was howlin and pushing me to try soymilk, that Silk stuff. I bought some of the vanilla and soons I had it in my mouth I spit it in the sink. It tasted HORRIBLE to me. She was shocked and suprised. WELL DUH, I told her that just the thought of that stuff gagged me. Push push push till I tried it, spit it out and so she ended up taking it home. Note that I said she was a friend. I'm well shed of her! SpiffE Gillespie wrote: JustYourTypeDTP <justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee- mostly I like it light rather than sweet.Which so smoothly leads to my next problem : I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) -- do you think I should try soy milk — again, I don’t want yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out with food, no food, time of day, etc...! Sue: Remember that SOY is bad for thryoids. THAT is what they say anyway. Is heavy cream better than milk for those who are lactose intolerant? ~E:) On 8/17/06 9:39 AM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.Sue TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

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What the heck CAN we take LOL!

I don’t do non-dairy creamers though.

And on the soy, yep 4 hours from my meds.

Just never had soy milk before and not very thrilled with the taste of soy overall...

Sue

Arg...no...please no non-dairy creamer!

LOL, just my opinion... Judy

Soy is bad....in my opinion...

Half and half bothers you or cream? Cream usually doesn't give people the same problems as milk...What about non dairy creamers(which I personally abhor)?

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LOL!

I have had “soy enriched” shakes and food and it is pretty nasty, guess I was just “thinkin’ aloud...”

I may go back to the heavy cream but gonna wait and see what my cholesterol is doing these days...

I had a " friend " who's a health food freak and was howlin and pushing me to try soymilk, that Silk stuff. I bought some of the vanilla and soons I had it in my mouth I spit it in the sink. It tasted HORRIBLE to me. She was shocked and suprised. WELL DUH, I told her that just the thought of that stuff gagged me. Push push push till I tried it, spit it out and so she ended up taking it home. Note that I said she was a friend. I'm well shed of her!

Spiff

E Gillespie wrote:

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee-

mostly I like it light rather than sweet.

Which so smoothly leads to my next problem :

I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY

lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...

(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) --

do you think I should try soy milk — again, I don’t want

yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements

and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out

with food, no food, time of day, etc...!

Sue:

Remember that SOY is bad for thryoids. THAT is what they say anyway.

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My mom was a big health “nut” and huge fan of aloe vera. She had a plant that I now have after she died in `93.

I used it once on a burn just like she told me and it stung like all heck and then swelled up so I thought it must be a fluke and tried it on some “uncut” skin and it got all red and swollen too...

I think that means I am allergic to aloe?

Sue

Ya know one thing that can help that, try taking some aloe vera juice. Not that stuff you get at walmart, get the concentrated. I took some of that ( back when $$ was better, it's not that spendy, it's just that I've been that broke ) and it really helped with my sinuses and allergies. The aloe vera has collagen in it, which is what lines the guy and your nose and such. It's a germ barrier. The more chemicals, antibiotics, etc you put in your body, the lower the amt of collagen, so the smaller the barrier, so the easier for the germs to get in and so forth. It tastes pretty good actually, kinda like kool-aid that doesn't have quite enough sugar, a little tart. This stuff is cold processed and you only use about 2T in a big glass of water. I noticed a huge difference in about 6 weeks. It takes a while for you to get built back up. But we've all got that going on in some way or another it seems.

Spiff

jytdtp wrote:

Well, I loved Canada all the times I was able to visit — haven’t spent much time on the west coast and only been to Dallas a few times, but here it’s VERY humid, VERY hot and the allergens are so bad I almost never breathe outside air anymore--- not healthy I know, but the stuffy nose, sinus headaches, sore throats and all were just too much.

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Great site thanks very much ... I LOVE stuff like this...

Now I have something new to look into... Awesome!

Sue

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It could be, because it's sposed to do the exact opposite. I sure wouldn't drink it if it does that to your skin. I've heard of a few people here and there that are allergic. I even heard of one lady that was allergic to her own hair, go figure that one! I think I'd stay clear of it for anything other than watering it really....... SpiffJustYourTypeDTP wrote: My mom was a big health “nut” and huge fan of

aloe vera. She had a plant that I now have after she died in `93.I used it once on a burn just like she told me and it stung like all heck and then swelled up so I thought it must be a fluke and tried it on some “uncut” skin and it got all red and swollen too...I think that means I am allergic to aloe?SueOn 8/17/06 1:22 PM, "DerSpiff" <mzspiff (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Ya know one thing that can help that, try taking some aloe vera juice. Not that stuff you get at walmart, get the concentrated. I took some of that ( back when $$ was better, it's not that spendy, it's just that I've been that broke ) and it really helped with my sinuses and allergies. The aloe vera has collagen in it, which is what lines the guy and your nose and such. It's a germ barrier. The more chemicals, antibiotics, etc you put in your body,

the lower the amt of collagen, so the smaller the barrier, so the easier for the germs to get in and so forth. It tastes pretty good actually, kinda like kool-aid that doesn't have quite enough sugar, a little tart. This stuff is cold processed and you only use about 2T in a big glass of water. I noticed a huge difference in about 6 weeks. It takes a while for you to get built back up. But we've all got that going on in some way or another it seems. Spiffjytdtp <justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Well, I loved Canada all the times I was able to visit — haven’t spent much time on the west coast and only been to Dallas a few times, but here it’s VERY humid, VERY hot and the allergens are so bad I almost never breathe outside air anymore--- not healthy I know, but the stuffy nose,

sinus headaches, sore throats and all were just too much.SueOn 8/16/06 7:38 PM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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Great site thanks very much ... I LOVE stuff like this...Now I have something new to look into... Awesome!Sue/////////////////

You can even order samples of her products so you aren't stuck with a huge container of something you hate!!!

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Ya, can you imagine? I wonder if she had to shave her head and wear a wig....I never did hear. Poor kid! SpiffJustYourTypeDTP wrote: Agreed – no aloe juice for me! I have enuf probs as it is but thank God I am NOT allergic to my own hair...sheesh, that’s gotta be roug! :)sueOn 8/17/06 2:52 PM, "DerSpiff" <mzspiff (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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