Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz., 100% Organic

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,

Gut reaction? OMG !

Looks a bit dangerous even for someone that does NOT have a thyroid problem.

I am even wondering how it could be legal, unless it is mostly water or

alcohol...

Makes think of the people I find here and there that KNOW it was a self

treatment for loosing weight that caused their Graves' in the first place.

Personally, I have worked to long and hard to get where I am now to take a

chance of going backwards.

But I could be wrong.

-Pam L -

[Guest guest]

At least two of the ingredients, kelp and licorice are BAD for hyper.

[Guest guest]

,

Using alternatives can be a very good thing, but first you MUST learn all

that you can about them, just as you would about using atd's, taking RAI or

surgery...going by trial and error and giving different things a bit of a

try could end up being very very dangerous.

Those that I know, B, Pam B, B, C. from this group have

all done a huge amount of research AND were monitored either by their

doctors or an ND while doing this. To do this without being properly

monitored and without doing some serious research could really be dangerous

and make things so much worse.

Jody

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Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback. Here is where I stand with my MD...he has decided

that since my GD is still mild that alternative treatment may be the best thing

right now to prevent it from progressing. I gave him Elaine's book and he told

me to try the bugleweed and motherwort, but that he did not know where I could

get it. I told him what you said Pam about having to have a RX for it and he

said that he never heard of that before. He advised me to try the internet to

find some since the health food stores don't carry it. This is where I am at

right now. Pretty much on my own trying to get some bugleweed and motherwort.

I ran across this other thing on this site and just thought I would ask about

it. My GP said to come back in 3 months and he would do some more blood work to

check where things are at. In case you don't remember my story, my T3 and T4

are still within normal range at this point. I have a low TSH and the uptake

scan showed hyperthyroidism. I was experiencing some symptoms which is what

brought me to the Dr. in the first place. Now I guess I just need to find a

doctor more knowledgeable about alternative treatments. My GP supports this

right now, just has no experience with it.

-

P.S. this site did have bugleweed also, I just don't know if it is the right

kind.

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http://www.ubah.com/D1226

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback. Here is where I stand with my MD...he has decided

that since my GD is still mild that alternative treatment may be the best thing

right now to prevent it from progressing. I gave him Elaine's book and he told

me to try the bugleweed and motherwort, but that he did not know where I could

get it. I told him what you said Pam about having to have a RX for it and he

said that he never heard of that before. He advised me to try the internet to

find some since the health food stores don't carry it. This is where I am at

right now. Pretty much on my own trying to get some bugleweed and motherwort.

I ran across this other thing on this site and just thought I would ask about

it. My GP said to come back in 3 months and he would do some more blood work to

check where things are at. In case you don't remember my story, my T3 and T4

are still within normal range at this point. I have a low TSH and the uptake

scan showed hyperthyroidism. I was experiencing some symptoms which is what

brought me to the Dr. in the first place. Now I guess I just need to find a

doctor more knowledgeable about alternative treatments. My GP supports this

right now, just has no experience with it.

-

P.S. this site did have bugleweed also, I just don't know if it is the right

kind.

~For Excellent Educational and Children's Books ~visit my site below:

http://www.ubah.com/D1226

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback. Here is where I stand with my MD...he has decided

that since my GD is still mild that alternative treatment may be the best thing

right now to prevent it from progressing. I gave him Elaine's book and he told

me to try the bugleweed and motherwort, but that he did not know where I could

get it. I told him what you said Pam about having to have a RX for it and he

said that he never heard of that before. He advised me to try the internet to

find some since the health food stores don't carry it. This is where I am at

right now. Pretty much on my own trying to get some bugleweed and motherwort.

I ran across this other thing on this site and just thought I would ask about

it. My GP said to come back in 3 months and he would do some more blood work to

check where things are at. In case you don't remember my story, my T3 and T4

are still within normal range at this point. I have a low TSH and the uptake

scan showed hyperthyroidism. I was experiencing some symptoms which is what

brought me to the Dr. in the first place. Now I guess I just need to find a

doctor more knowledgeable about alternative treatments. My GP supports this

right now, just has no experience with it.

-

P.S. this site did have bugleweed also, I just don't know if it is the right

kind.

~For Excellent Educational and Children's Books ~visit my site below:

http://www.ubah.com/D1226

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi , Jody is so right. I doubt that any doc, MD or ND would suggest

you use this product. No matter what course of action you take you should

have a doc to monitor your labs as you go. You do have an ND working with

you don't you? I think I remember you MD refuses to treat you or give you a

referal, right?

:)Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Pam L.,

Your comment about self treatments for loosing weight makes me curious since I

took metabolife for several years prior to my Graves. Makes me wonder now if

that could have been a contributing factor to my development of GD???

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

,

Gut reaction? OMG !

Looks a bit dangerous even for someone that does NOT have a thyroid problem.

I am even wondering how it could be legal, unless it is mostly water or

alcohol...

Makes think of the people I find here and there that KNOW it was a self

treatment for loosing weight that caused their Graves' in the first place.

Personally, I have worked to long and hard to get where I am now to take a

chance of going backwards.

But I could be wrong.

-Pam L -

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

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Hi , thanks for refreshing my memory.

If your T3 and T4 are in the normal ranges then taking bugleweed is going to

make you hypO. You don't want that.

And, blood tests in 3 months is way too far away.

I really think you need to find a new doctor - maybe a new MD and an ND.

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

One of the folks like or Pam B would be able to tell you this. My area

is very limited in what we have for alternative practitioners and I use my

endo and ophtho and GP as well as do some energy work taught to me by my

sister.

I find these alternative journey's fascinating and encouraging, and I don't

want to discourage you from going this route, but do think you need to be

monitored by someone who knows how to use this stuff. Herbs are a medicine

and just because we don't need a prescription for many of them, they can

still be dangerous when we don't know how to do this.

I don't know if your insurance would cover this or not, mine allows for some

alternative treatments but is very very limited in what it will allow. Even

if you did have to pay out of pocket for an ND, your blood work should still

be covered.

You are going through so much and trying to do it on your own is not

easy, can't you begin with a new GP and fire this one? He really scares me

for you. He is the one who won't send you to an endo also isn't he? Plus

you are worrying about your son and what is going on with him...too much on

your plate.

Are you doing any mediation or yoga to help release some of the stress?

Have you beeen to 's site at ithyroid.com? He has some good guidelines

and a good place to begin to really learn about alternatives, but you still

need to be properly monitored, no matter which way you go with getting

healthy again.

Take care,

Jody

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Jody,

How do I go about finding an ND? Are they usually covered by insurance?

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

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Jody,

How do I go about finding an ND? Are they usually covered by insurance?

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

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intended to replace expert medical care.

Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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[Guest guest]

Jody,

How do I go about finding an ND? Are they usually covered by insurance?

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

SHAME ON YOUR GP!!! He has no business telling you to do anything

homeopathic without being monitored and by someone who knows and understands

the use of herbs and tinctures! If you are going to go an alternative

route, then I highly suggest you find an ND in your area who knows how to

use those herbs and tinctures and monitor you while using them. I would

turn this jerk in to the medical authorities in your state!

They ARE dangerous when someone does not know what they are doing. The

bugleweed you find in many herbal shops is not a pure form and the strength

is much different than what ND's use with a perscription.

, you need to find someone who knows and understands the use of

alternatives if this is the route you want to take.

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

-------------------------------------

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intended to replace expert medical care.

Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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Thanks for the advice Jody. No, I am not doing much for stress right now. On

top of mine and my son's hyper problem I am dealing with taking care of my 83

year old mother who has renal failure and diabetes, and supporting my sister

who's husband just passed away last week. I guess I do have an awful lot on my

plate right now I will check out 's site though. I am a little leery

about changing doctors, I have had so many bad experiences with them. Not that

the one I have is that good, but at least he listens to me and is open to

hearing what treatments I want to use. I just think he lacks experience in

treating thyroid problems. My fear is that another doctor will insist on RAI

and not listen to me. Like the Endo I took my son to who did not want to listen

to me or talk to me about my son's treatment. He just handed me a RX for PTU

and said wait until the blood work is back to fill it. It is just very

difficult to find a good Dr. it seems.

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

One of the folks like or Pam B would be able to tell you this. My area

is very limited in what we have for alternative practitioners and I use my

endo and ophtho and GP as well as do some energy work taught to me by my

sister.

I find these alternative journey's fascinating and encouraging, and I don't

want to discourage you from going this route, but do think you need to be

monitored by someone who knows how to use this stuff. Herbs are a medicine

and just because we don't need a prescription for many of them, they can

still be dangerous when we don't know how to do this.

I don't know if your insurance would cover this or not, mine allows for some

alternative treatments but is very very limited in what it will allow. Even

if you did have to pay out of pocket for an ND, your blood work should still

be covered.

You are going through so much and trying to do it on your own is not

easy, can't you begin with a new GP and fire this one? He really scares me

for you. He is the one who won't send you to an endo also isn't he? Plus

you are worrying about your son and what is going on with him...too much on

your plate.

Are you doing any mediation or yoga to help release some of the stress?

Have you beeen to 's site at ithyroid.com? He has some good guidelines

and a good place to begin to really learn about alternatives, but you still

need to be properly monitored, no matter which way you go with getting

healthy again.

Take care,

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice Jody. No, I am not doing much for stress right now. On

top of mine and my son's hyper problem I am dealing with taking care of my 83

year old mother who has renal failure and diabetes, and supporting my sister

who's husband just passed away last week. I guess I do have an awful lot on my

plate right now I will check out 's site though. I am a little leery

about changing doctors, I have had so many bad experiences with them. Not that

the one I have is that good, but at least he listens to me and is open to

hearing what treatments I want to use. I just think he lacks experience in

treating thyroid problems. My fear is that another doctor will insist on RAI

and not listen to me. Like the Endo I took my son to who did not want to listen

to me or talk to me about my son's treatment. He just handed me a RX for PTU

and said wait until the blood work is back to fill it. It is just very

difficult to find a good Dr. it seems.

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

One of the folks like or Pam B would be able to tell you this. My area

is very limited in what we have for alternative practitioners and I use my

endo and ophtho and GP as well as do some energy work taught to me by my

sister.

I find these alternative journey's fascinating and encouraging, and I don't

want to discourage you from going this route, but do think you need to be

monitored by someone who knows how to use this stuff. Herbs are a medicine

and just because we don't need a prescription for many of them, they can

still be dangerous when we don't know how to do this.

I don't know if your insurance would cover this or not, mine allows for some

alternative treatments but is very very limited in what it will allow. Even

if you did have to pay out of pocket for an ND, your blood work should still

be covered.

You are going through so much and trying to do it on your own is not

easy, can't you begin with a new GP and fire this one? He really scares me

for you. He is the one who won't send you to an endo also isn't he? Plus

you are worrying about your son and what is going on with him...too much on

your plate.

Are you doing any mediation or yoga to help release some of the stress?

Have you beeen to 's site at ithyroid.com? He has some good guidelines

and a good place to begin to really learn about alternatives, but you still

need to be properly monitored, no matter which way you go with getting

healthy again.

Take care,

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice Jody. No, I am not doing much for stress right now. On

top of mine and my son's hyper problem I am dealing with taking care of my 83

year old mother who has renal failure and diabetes, and supporting my sister

who's husband just passed away last week. I guess I do have an awful lot on my

plate right now I will check out 's site though. I am a little leery

about changing doctors, I have had so many bad experiences with them. Not that

the one I have is that good, but at least he listens to me and is open to

hearing what treatments I want to use. I just think he lacks experience in

treating thyroid problems. My fear is that another doctor will insist on RAI

and not listen to me. Like the Endo I took my son to who did not want to listen

to me or talk to me about my son's treatment. He just handed me a RX for PTU

and said wait until the blood work is back to fill it. It is just very

difficult to find a good Dr. it seems.

Re: Thyroid - Pituitary Formula Tincture 2 fl. oz.,

100% Organic

Hi ,

One of the folks like or Pam B would be able to tell you this. My area

is very limited in what we have for alternative practitioners and I use my

endo and ophtho and GP as well as do some energy work taught to me by my

sister.

I find these alternative journey's fascinating and encouraging, and I don't

want to discourage you from going this route, but do think you need to be

monitored by someone who knows how to use this stuff. Herbs are a medicine

and just because we don't need a prescription for many of them, they can

still be dangerous when we don't know how to do this.

I don't know if your insurance would cover this or not, mine allows for some

alternative treatments but is very very limited in what it will allow. Even

if you did have to pay out of pocket for an ND, your blood work should still

be covered.

You are going through so much and trying to do it on your own is not

easy, can't you begin with a new GP and fire this one? He really scares me

for you. He is the one who won't send you to an endo also isn't he? Plus

you are worrying about your son and what is going on with him...too much on

your plate.

Are you doing any mediation or yoga to help release some of the stress?

Have you beeen to 's site at ithyroid.com? He has some good guidelines

and a good place to begin to really learn about alternatives, but you still

need to be properly monitored, no matter which way you go with getting

healthy again.

Take care,

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Oh ,

You have even more on your plate than what we were aware of. My heart just

goes out to you.

That being said from the heart, I am going to be straight up with you on

this doctor thing . Your doctor may listen to you, but he is not

treating you, not medically and certainly not with respect. Any doctor who

sends a patient off on their own to 'play' with herbs and tinctures when

neither one of you has a clue to what your doing is dangerous and could cost

you YOUR life

I know it is so very hard to change doctors, especially when you have gone

through several already and the next one seems worse than the one

before...but persevere here, you WILL find a doctor that you will click

with, it just takes time I have fired 2 endo's, 2 primaries and 1 eye

doctor in the last 2 years next month and I am so very thankful I stuck with

it, insisting I find doctors who I can work with and who will work *with*

me. I now have an endo I treasure, a GP who is thorough and doesn't know

what to make of me, and I have compromised with ;-) and an ophthalmologist,

who has no bedside manner but knows his stuff and calls me 'challenging'

which I take as a compliment. Yes, it is hard work to do this, but when you

find those doctors who are treasures it really makes a difference in the

quality of health that you get returned to you.

Now, for relaxing, or reducing stress, with your life the way it is, I know

you don't have a lot of time for yourself, but somehow you need to find a

way to take care of you too...maybe a nice long nightly soak in a warm tub

with candles burning where you can do some deep breathing and just let go of

all that has been piling up, maybe in the beginning a good cry, a pray,

turning it all over to God, however you decide to do this...but a bathroom

door closed and locked, some soft light and breath, nice slow deep

breathing...and do this again when you lay in bed at night, and think about

what your doing. Breathe in deep and slowly, deep into the belly, then blow

it out just as slowly. Concentrate only on this ...breathing like

this really will help you so much more than you realize right now.

Do you have the top docs link? Start there with trying to find an ND or a

GP that is recommended by other patients. This is where I found my current

endo...doctors who have more than one recommendation by actual patients are

good to start with.

If there is anything I can do to help you find another doctor, I will be

happy to help you , but you need to find a doctor who is going to

help you, first and foremost...taking care of everyone else and ignoring

yourself is something I do understand, my life use to be that way...but what

happens to everyone else, if your too sick to do it?

*HUGZ* for you , I will keep you in my prayers,

Jody

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Oh ,

You have even more on your plate than what we were aware of. My heart just

goes out to you.

That being said from the heart, I am going to be straight up with you on

this doctor thing . Your doctor may listen to you, but he is not

treating you, not medically and certainly not with respect. Any doctor who

sends a patient off on their own to 'play' with herbs and tinctures when

neither one of you has a clue to what your doing is dangerous and could cost

you YOUR life

I know it is so very hard to change doctors, especially when you have gone

through several already and the next one seems worse than the one

before...but persevere here, you WILL find a doctor that you will click

with, it just takes time I have fired 2 endo's, 2 primaries and 1 eye

doctor in the last 2 years next month and I am so very thankful I stuck with

it, insisting I find doctors who I can work with and who will work *with*

me. I now have an endo I treasure, a GP who is thorough and doesn't know

what to make of me, and I have compromised with ;-) and an ophthalmologist,

who has no bedside manner but knows his stuff and calls me 'challenging'

which I take as a compliment. Yes, it is hard work to do this, but when you

find those doctors who are treasures it really makes a difference in the

quality of health that you get returned to you.

Now, for relaxing, or reducing stress, with your life the way it is, I know

you don't have a lot of time for yourself, but somehow you need to find a

way to take care of you too...maybe a nice long nightly soak in a warm tub

with candles burning where you can do some deep breathing and just let go of

all that has been piling up, maybe in the beginning a good cry, a pray,

turning it all over to God, however you decide to do this...but a bathroom

door closed and locked, some soft light and breath, nice slow deep

breathing...and do this again when you lay in bed at night, and think about

what your doing. Breathe in deep and slowly, deep into the belly, then blow

it out just as slowly. Concentrate only on this ...breathing like

this really will help you so much more than you realize right now.

Do you have the top docs link? Start there with trying to find an ND or a

GP that is recommended by other patients. This is where I found my current

endo...doctors who have more than one recommendation by actual patients are

good to start with.

If there is anything I can do to help you find another doctor, I will be

happy to help you , but you need to find a doctor who is going to

help you, first and foremost...taking care of everyone else and ignoring

yourself is something I do understand, my life use to be that way...but what

happens to everyone else, if your too sick to do it?

*HUGZ* for you , I will keep you in my prayers,

Jody

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Thanks Jody :-) Your kind words of advice and support are appreciated. I did

try the top docs list for an Endo although could not find one closer than a hour

away. I guess I may just have to make the drive. I live about an hour and a

half from Chicago and I am sure there are some good ones there, was just hoping

to find one closer. I just made that drive last week to take my son to the

pediatric endo and it was an all day excursion. I also home school my son, who

has learning disabilities on top of his physical problems. I gave up a full

time as a counselor three years ago to home school him. I am aware of all the

stress reduction techniques, just have a hard time applying them to myself I

will take another look at the top docs list for an ND or maybe another GP.

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You have even more on your plate than what we were aware of. My heart just

goes out to you.

That being said from the heart, I am going to be straight up with you on

this doctor thing . Your doctor may listen to you, but he is not

treating you, not medically and certainly not with respect. Any doctor who

sends a patient off on their own to 'play' with herbs and tinctures when

neither one of you has a clue to what your doing is dangerous and could cost

you YOUR life

I know it is so very hard to change doctors, especially when you have gone

through several already and the next one seems worse than the one

before...but persevere here, you WILL find a doctor that you will click

with, it just takes time I have fired 2 endo's, 2 primaries and 1 eye

doctor in the last 2 years next month and I am so very thankful I stuck with

it, insisting I find doctors who I can work with and who will work *with*

me. I now have an endo I treasure, a GP who is thorough and doesn't know

what to make of me, and I have compromised with ;-) and an ophthalmologist,

who has no bedside manner but knows his stuff and calls me 'challenging'

which I take as a compliment. Yes, it is hard work to do this, but when you

find those doctors who are treasures it really makes a difference in the

quality of health that you get returned to you.

Now, for relaxing, or reducing stress, with your life the way it is, I know

you don't have a lot of time for yourself, but somehow you need to find a

way to take care of you too...maybe a nice long nightly soak in a warm tub

with candles burning where you can do some deep breathing and just let go of

all that has been piling up, maybe in the beginning a good cry, a pray,

turning it all over to God, however you decide to do this...but a bathroom

door closed and locked, some soft light and breath, nice slow deep

breathing...and do this again when you lay in bed at night, and think about

what your doing. Breathe in deep and slowly, deep into the belly, then blow

it out just as slowly. Concentrate only on this ...breathing like

this really will help you so much more than you realize right now.

Do you have the top docs link? Start there with trying to find an ND or a

GP that is recommended by other patients. This is where I found my current

endo...doctors who have more than one recommendation by actual patients are

good to start with.

If there is anything I can do to help you find another doctor, I will be

happy to help you , but you need to find a doctor who is going to

help you, first and foremost...taking care of everyone else and ignoring

yourself is something I do understand, my life use to be that way...but what

happens to everyone else, if your too sick to do it?

*HUGZ* for you , I will keep you in my prayers,

Jody

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Hi ,

I drive 2 hours to see both my endo and ophthalmologist, and I hate the

drive on the thruway...thank God for my husband who does the actual driving!

It is so worth it though to have 2 wonderful doctors up there and

they have worked with me to schedule my appointments for both on the same

day so we do it once every 3 months now...though I do get my labs done

locally every 4-6 weeks.

Debbie R from this group also homeschools her children, so you two have lots

in common. Debbie has been off all meds for over 2 years now. I give you

both a lot of credit in the homeschooling, I doubt very much I would have

ever had the patients to do that with my kids way back when.

, give yourself a huge gift and start the relaxation techniques, or

at the very least, the deep breathing several times a day. It will help

towards alleviating some of your symptoms like anxiety and/or panic, should

help with slowing down the heart also. This is the biggest gift we can give

ourselves!

Take care,

Jody

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