Andy: Liposomal glutathione w/TD DMPS, TTFD

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Friday, June 11th, 2004

Hello Andy, Moria, & everyone,

Andy, you said the following regarding Dr. Buttar's transdermal DMPS:

" . . . . there is still the problem of poor transdermal absorption even of

lipophilic molecules, and DMPS is very nonlipophilic. "

I just read on the another autism list (usually quite reliable and from a

poster who generally knows her stuff) that Dr. Buttar's transdermal DMPS

formula contains liposomal glutathione. Apparently, liposomal glutathione

(which I had never heard of before) is supposed to be a " very promising way

of raising glutathione levels " as " bits of glutathione are encapsulated in

fatty little packets which helps it get into cells. " Could this liposomal

glutathione and some of the other ingredients in Dr. Buttar's DMPS formula

(I've read it contains amino acids too; perhaps other things, as well) be

what is making it effective (assuming for a moment that the formula HAS and

IS helping people)?

Also, do you see any risk in trying Buttar's protocol??? What tests do you

suggest before or during chelation with Buttar's transdermal DMPS formula?

Also, I respect your opinion regarding the fact that TTFD, Authia, and

allithiamine are dangerous. I often read posts from parents expressing

concerns about TTFD and if it is really helping; these posts sometimes note

that their child's latest tests showed liver problems. Can you please

point me to info and/or research regarding the dangers of TTFD and

allithiamine? I don't have a chemistry or medical background, but I try to

understand as much of the data as I can.

Thanks very much! :-)

At 10:38 PM 6/6/2004 +0000, you wrote:

> > Andy: I stayed up late last night re-read parts of your book and Dr.

> > Buttar's congressional hearing

> >

> >

>

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> . I

> > also saw at some place that Dr. Buttar's protocol is 1.5 mg/kg TD-DMPS

> gievn

> > every other day rubbbing on the forearm . I come up with several

questions

> > about TD-DMPS and hope you can help me to sort things out.

> >

> > 1. You wrote DMSA every other day is not safe due to the possibility of

> > redistribution of mercury. Is it the same for DMPS, no matter it is

> oral or

> > TD form? or different form makes it less dangerous?

>

>I would expect this to also be true of TD anything.

>

>There may be mitigating factors, and I have LOTS of very bad reports

>for high dose DMSA every other day. Haven't talked to too many people

>who did DMPS that way though a few personal experiences and reports do

>indicate that oral DMPS can cause serious issues of taken randomly too.

>

>I don't have any real reports on TD DMPS. In all honesty I'd expect it

>to be safe because I wouldn't expect there to be any active chelator in

>it by the time it got put on, and even if there was I wouldn't expect

>singificant amounts to get absorbed. However, we will find out as we

>start hearing from people who have tried this.

>

> > 2. If it is true that DMPS is also dangerous every other day, then is

> DMPS 3

> > times a day and every other day safe (meaning 3 times DMPS in one day and

> > none next day then 3 times DMPS after that and so forth)?

>

>Every 8 hours is relatively safe. Three times a day is NOT every 8

>hours and is not necessarily safe. It is only (relatively) safe if

>more or less every 8 hours. E. g. with meals would be bad.

>

> > 3. Does DMPS in TD form eliminates (or decrease ) the possible yeast

> > problems (which usually comes along with DMSA or ALA)because it does

not go

> > through the gut?

>

>No. DMPS orally also has very little yeast issues.

>

>The DMPS and ALA seem to cause the yeast issues more due to messing

>wiht the immune system than just due to being in the gut.

>

> > 4. Is this true that as long as mercury is eliminated, problems like eczma

> > (which my ds has) will be gone no matter it is using oral DMSA/ALS/DMPS or

> > TD-DMPS?

>

>Probably yes. If the eczema is mercury related - most likely - then

>anything that clears the mercury should resolve it.

>

> > 5. According to Dr. Buttar's congressional hearing report " It is important

> > to note that DMPS is highly oxygen reactive and is very unstable when

> > exposed to air.

>

>He got that right.

>

> >This and many other issues of delivery, stabilization, and

> > oxidation have all been successfully identified and resolved over the last

> > two years witht he final result now pending patent.

>

>Maybe. I'd be curious to know how they determined that. Maybe when

>the patent issues we can see what it says and decide if it is credible.

>

> > In addition, certain

> > other components have been added to the TD-DMPS to potentiate the efficacy

> > of treatment, such as the addition of various amino acids and

> glutathiione. "

>

>This is silly. Saying this does create the kind of atmospherics that

>makes me quite skeptical.

>

> > Do you feel by saying that Dr. Buttar was able to solve the DMPS's

> > unstability and make TD-DMPS more suitable to use?

>

>He says he did it. Saying he did it and actually doing it are quite

>different. If he magically made it stable against air oxidation there

>is still the problem of poor transdermal absorption even of lipophilic

>molecules, and DMPS is very nonlipophilic.

>

> > The reason I tried to find the answers is because I know a lot of kids

> > using DMSA and ALA suffer from yeast problem. If there is a way to get

> > around the yeast (which seems right now is the TD-DMPS), then we should

> find

> > a safe and effective way of doing it. Am I on the right track?

>

>Not really. You can use oral DMPS or simply add anti-yeast agents or

>diets to the protocol and this works fine for most people.

>

>Also the yeast doesn't seem to be due as much to what is in the gut as

>to what happens to the immune system cells.

>

> > Thanks in

> > advance.

> >

> >

> > Dorothy

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