Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 I saw reference to my name and wanted to read Andy's post, as I respect him greatly, and his cautions are always with me and taken into consideration. I opened the post and see that he's not responding directly to comments I wrote, but someone elses response to something I wrote-- in response to what someone else wrote/asked! LOL. Posts can get a little confusing! At the same time I wanted to add a few things in response to what Andy is writing about cilantro. He and the other parent are correct that most people are 1) afraid of cilantro and 2) for the good reason that it does appear to be EFFECTIVE at removing toxins, yet it's properties remain a mystery. A few things interest me as a parent about cilantro. 1) Will it work to remove mercury more quickly from my child's brain? 2) Is there a way to go " low " and slow in trialing it out? 3) What are the consequences if I try (cautiously?) and 4) What are the consequences to my child's life if I KNOW there is a potent remover of mercury available and I fail to try a means of using it?? I have looked at products like " metal free, " and and PCA-RX and NDF, and it interests me that some of them seem to have " some " effect. It is also interesting to know that the ones that have the greatest " slight " to great effect (positive or negative) contain cilantro! Could it be that the cilantro in these products are moving toxic metals? Which is why some have positive results on it and some very negative? Sometimes the dosing of these items is very sporadic, which tells me that they are blasting a potent gun perhaps in sporadic ways and that there aren't enough safety nets. For instance, if one uses cilantro and it moves toxic metals like mercury into the body, where is the chelator to usher it OUT. Most people using metal free and such aren't using anything else. I take the few medical and scientific opinons of the doctors and herbalist who have used cilantro, plus my own experience in using it to believe the " right " batch of the stuff (cilantro) CAN do like no other chelator to GET THE BRAIN TO RELEASE TOXIC METALS. As a parent I find that to be phenomenal! Scary, yes! But phenomenal. I don't suggest that every family try cilantro. It's too dangerous. Too potent, and very little is known on dosing, properties and all that about how cilantro works. As a parent, I found it time in my child's life to weigh the odds. Was ala/dmsa chelation working? Sporadically and with long rounds only did he retain many of the benefits of chelation with ala/dmsa. His worst effects visually remained a push and pull battle, better on chelation, lost afterwards. Very few gains in fine motor skills and very little speech progress. My child gained out of the autism diagnosis 70% by trying dmsa and ala combos for a year. A year of little sleep--worth it to me--but how long can I go on for push and pull? How long before damage to his brain is permanent and there is no renewal of brain function? As a parent of a child I want to see function I can take Andy's very well placed caution and put it up against " trying " cautiously. Andy doesn't have to live in my house, doesn't have to see my child sitting out activities, cry because the short circuits in his brain won't let him sing with a video! Cilantro is something that very potentially works. I decided to cautiously try it. With DMSA, as I have never read of anyone else trying it with. All I know is Cilantro can very likely get toxic metals from the brain. That's the parent wish list for me! All the scientific data I'll leave to the scientists. All the debate I'll leave to those who feel so inclined. We've tried cilantro with dmsa each of about six trials. Our son does well on sulphury foods and was low on cystene on tests. We upped the cystenine and used dmsa and cilantro. Last week was about the fifth or so trial with cilantro. My son's speech was very mumbled before this trial. After administering cilantro and dmsa his speech is more distinct and his father, who is very hard to satisfy regarding our son's recovery found relief! We're getting there. My son would touch everyone else's hair but his own,until the last cilantro try. Now he plays with his own hair. Great coordination and fine motor with his fingers. Before this last cilantro trial my son could only have one activity going on at a time, last night he watched an alphabet/word video and got an alphabet speaking toy and followed both along together, turning the alphabet toy to each letter along with the video going through each letter. He also had a tiny alphabet book nearby and grabbed that and showed me each of the letters as the video said it! He also came to kiss me at the letter,U, for " I love U. " :-) He also repeated the pattern of recognition and matching with a number video and book next. He had it going on! LOL. Have all of our cilantro trials produced remarkable results? No, some were " no effect. " Have we personally seen ill effect using cilantro (three times) for one day and dmsa round the clock for 4 days (used dmsa 30 minutes before first cilantro extract, and then every four hours later)? Have we seen ill effect using this method? No. Have we see specific gains? Yes, at least twice. Like jumping ahead 10 to 20 rounds of our usual experienc with ala. Do we still use ala? Yes, inbetween monthly tries with cilantro (we go very slowly with cilantro tries) we do 4-7 day ala rounds and see some small gains. Any is better than none. We have a goal, everyone. I want my son to be age appropriate, and begin homeschool in September. Cilantro may help us to get there. Is it scary stuff? You bet! Have we seen enough to justify keep trying? YES. Will it work the same for everyone? I don't know. Will everyone be cautious and careful using cilantro? I don't know. Do I have to live with everyone elses personal decision regarding TRYING cilantro or NOT? No. Weigh the risks carefully parents. The pros and cons of trying any and all detox and chelating methods are up to YOU. Best wishes, Lyn Mom to Tee 4.11 years (fifth birthday this month!) > > > > Also, I've read previous posts about cilantro. People seem to be > > > > very scared off by it. > > Because there are lots of truly horrible adverse reaction reports. > > The stuff does appear to contain a brain accessing chelator, which > makes it potentially very dangerous for toxic people. > > Unfortunately nobody has a clue how to use it properly. > > This is very scary. > > Andy ./ . . .. . . . . . 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 > I saw reference to my name and wanted to read Andy's post, as I > respect him greatly, and his cautions are always with me and taken > into consideration. > > I opened the post and see that he's not responding directly to > comments I wrote, but someone elses response to something I wrote-- > in response to what someone else wrote/asked! LOL. > > Posts can get a little confusing! yes, they can. I followed the thread back " up " and I don't think you answered the post where someone asked you about how you use cilantro--- e.g. the dose, how often, what form, how much your child weighs etc. I'd also like to know what metals your child has showed high on hair test, if you know. > At the same time I wanted to add a few things in response to what > Andy is writing about cilantro. He and the other parent are correct > that most people are 1) afraid of cilantro and 2) for the good > reason that it does appear to be EFFECTIVE at removing toxins, yet > it's properties remain a mystery. I would say it MAY be effective at chelating mercury--- REMOVING METALS is another thing. It is not clear to me that it is effective at REMOVING THEM. This is true of all chelation agents---- dose timing appears to be a critical factor in REMOVING mercury. A chelation agent used not-often-enough can result in WORSE poisoning. This is pretty odd of me to say this since " chelation " is usually explained as a way to remove metals. But the chelation agents don't necessarily DO THAT. They free up metals and then the metals MAY be redeposited. > > A few things interest me as a parent about cilantro. 1) Will it > work to remove mercury more quickly from my child's brain? 2) Is > there a way to go " low " and slow in trialing it out? what are your thoughts about WHAT is low? or slow? >3) What are > the consequences if I try (cautiously?) I would be interested in what, exactly, you consider to be a " cautious " use. I say it this way " exactly " because I have also tried using cilantro (and reported on it in detail on this list). I think dose timing and length of the time " on " are important to me, in my thinking about what is " cautious " . I used a tincture, which means (to me) that it is easy to keep the consistent amount of each dose the same. (People have commented many times that there is a problem with using cilantro because strength of active agents COULD vary. I disagee with this, since tincturing would equalize any variance, within the same " batch " . I also am not clear that the amount of variance is that critical.) How often is the main issue that I think is totally unclear. I used tincture once an hour, however this meant that overnight round was out of the question (for me). I used cilantro with ALA. Cilantro+ALA for the first day, then ALA only for another 2 days. I only did this a couple of rounds. > I take the few medical and scientific opinons of the doctors and > herbalist who have used cilantro, plus my own experience in using it > to believe the " right " batch of the stuff (cilantro) CAN do like no > other chelator to GET THE BRAIN TO RELEASE TOXIC METALS. I don't. I take it that cilantro is likely to be a real chelation agent. The " like no other " part of your statement is confusing. Like no other in what way? Removing mercury is removing mercury--- in what aspect do you suggest that cilantro is " like no other " . I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't understand what you are saying. I don't even understand what COULD be different. If you were saying it removed some OTHER metal, or did something ELSE, I would understand the difference. As it is, I think you are saying that cilantro and [other chelation agents?] remove brain mercury [in some instances]. So I don't know what you are citing as different. > All I know is > Cilantro can very likely get toxic metals from the brain. That's > the parent wish list for me! All the scientific data I'll leave to > the scientists. All the debate I'll leave to those who feel so > inclined. The debate, I believe, is about what you say you know. While I agree with you that cilantro MAY get toxic metals out of the brain, IT ALSO MAY INCREASE THEM. I have NOT seen the " many " reports Andy speaks of, of bad/scary results. I've only seen a couple or a few, and I have been reading multiple lists, and tracking this, for a few years now. Still, the negatives I've read include some scary stuff. And I've only read perhaps a dozen " real " reports of individual people. > > We've tried cilantro with dmsa each of about six trials. Our son > does well on sulphury foods and was low on cystene on tests. We > upped the cystenine and used dmsa and cilantro. Last week was about > the fifth or so trial with cilantro. My son's speech was very > mumbled before this trial. After administering cilantro and dmsa > his speech is more distinct and his father, who is very hard to > satisfy regarding our son's recovery found relief! We're getting > there. how wonderful It is great that this has helped for your son. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Lyn, I think you have encapsulated in your post what a lot of the parents are thinking. THANKS! I share many of the same questions, concerns, attitudes, and frustrations. Cilantro, from a " Holistic " perspective, has been around for ages. Many cultures routinely use cilantro in food preparations (salsa, Indian cusines). As many things turn out, " traditions " often are very effective methods. On the flip side, Amalgams and Thimersol vaccines have not been around for ages!!!! Again, my reservations about the use of Cilantro in my child - as you have pointed out Lyn. So, if pharmokinetics of Cilantro are not understood - why not research it? Is there is anyone on this list with contact information? My question is, why not expend scientific energy and money on Cilantro research. ... I mean, why not feed rats to get the pharmokinetics? {email me privately if you wish} Is CAN! interested? Again, Lyn thanks for your post and sharing! :mukesh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I am also very thankful to Lyn for providing detailed information to me. I haven't tried cilantro yet, but I am seriously considering it. Margaret > > > > > Also, I've read previous posts about cilantro. People seem > to be > > > > > very scared off by it. > > > > Because there are lots of truly horrible adverse reaction reports. > > > > The stuff does appear to contain a brain accessing chelator, which > > makes it potentially very dangerous for toxic people. > > > > Unfortunately nobody has a clue how to use it properly. > > > > This is very scary. > > > > Andy ./ . . .. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Lyn, I agree. Any new info is good for all to hear and debate. I prefer responses on the board vs. private responses. Also, I could be wrong, but it would seem that as long as you give small amounts of the cilantro with ALA or DMSA to carry out the mercury that you would be okay. Am I wrong? [ ] Re: Cilantro(Lyn) I am also very thankful to Lyn for providing detailed information to me. I haven't tried cilantro yet, but I am seriously considering it. Margaret > > > > > Also, I've read previous posts about cilantro. People seem > to be > > > > > very scared off by it. > > > > Because there are lots of truly horrible adverse reaction reports. > > > > The stuff does appear to contain a brain accessing chelator, which > > makes it potentially very dangerous for toxic people. > > > > Unfortunately nobody has a clue how to use it properly. > > > > This is very scary. > > > > Andy ./ . . .. . . . . . ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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