Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 If a person can not, get rid of mercury, and it stays in the body, Then why when you have your babies hair tested does it show any levels of mercury? > > > > > > Your logic on the issue of metals transport is completely flawed. I'd > > > > > suggest you hit the journals and look at the issue of hair, skin and > > > nails detox of heavy metals... See Haley, Bradstreet, Holmes, etc. as > > > > > good starting points. > > > > > > [ ] Re: Autism One-Andy: > > > > > > > > > Margaret, I like you, I wouldn't try to offend you. I think you are > > > smart and have fine reasoning abilities, however I just think if you > > > could read some additional information on the topic of metal > > > transport, and perhaps early nutrition, that I have found, you might > > > feel differently. > > > Best, Carlton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 > That has to be over three years ago, and he still hasn't talked > again. I continue with Dr.Kane's diet, it helps, I started something > new giving him raw milk, and his body is now strong and he has > had catch growth from being on an elimination dairy diet for so > long. The SCDiet also seem to help him, but it is too difficult > to follow, because my son will not eat, and I give in, because > he had been so thin for so many years, that just seeing him eat > makes me feel better. I think he is doing well, if he could > just talk again. He can communicate with me through writing. > I sure don't know how that little bit of DMSA could do so > much harm, but it did. Well that sounds nasty about the DMSA, I'm sorry to read how badly it affected your son. I use ALA, so I don't have experience with DMSA. But it sounds like you have found at least one thing that helps your son, so that is good. Good luck in finding what else he might need. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Dana. How did you come to the conclusion that it was the Hep B shot at 2 days old that caused your son's autism? I ask this because when my son was 12 hrs old, he turned blue around the mouth. He received oxygen and a chest x-ray. He quickly recovered from that episode, I was told that sometimes newborns forget to breathe. Later on that same day, he received the Hep B shot. Thanks in advance. Tina > > Jo, You may have not seen my earlier posts where I said 'I am not > > about to let the vaccine companies off the hook' where I said 'My son > > developed the symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a hepatitis B > > vaccination. > > > I can give you my son's experience, maybe you can find something here > to give you some information. > > My son was autistic from HepB vax at 2 days old. He has a dx of > " Kanner's autism " , which is autism from birth, or " genetic " . > > After much experimentation, I discovered he tolerated basically no > foods. HNI enzymes allowed him to eat many, but not all, foods. > > Chelation with ALA removed ALL his food problems, plus eliminated his > tendency toward yeast. I also used several supplements to replenish > his body, altho he did not start tolerating supplements until about > round 50. He no longer needs most supplements. > > But even with chelation, certain issues remained. It was frustrating, > because an issue would disappear for about a week, then come back > again and stick around. It was like, as the metals were leaving, > something else was increasing to take their place. > > The high dose vitamin A protocol helped tremendously. This addresses > measles virus. Now my son is on anti-virals [maintenance dose vitamin > A, plus olive leaf extract and Lauricidin]. It has been about three > months of anti-viral now, and for the past month his issues have not > come back, at least so far. My son is making tremendous progress. > The only drawback is that viral die off causes major yeast again, > which my son had not had for over a year before this time. > > So for my son, he was apparently high metal AND high virus. > > Good luck in searching for your child's answers. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 I mm really sorry to hear this sad story, . It is quite unusual for anyone to have DMSA as the powder (rather than in a capsule), are you really sure that is what the doctor dispensed to you? Did it SMELL like DMSA? DMSA has a characteristic and memorable odor. Andy , . . .. . . . . . . . .. : > Dana, Thank you! The first hope we had was with Dr.Lieberman, he > had us go gluten and casein free, a number of herbal treatments, > antivirals, nystatin, etc.. He was an environmental MD. > http://www.coem.com/ He even > saw my father with Parkinson's disease, he suspected my father > might have heavy metal toxicity... but he never suspected my son > did. Dr.Lieberman is THE doctor to go see if you have heavy metal > toxicity, he is famous in that area of research. Still nothing > seemed to be helping for very long, my son was just on a roller > coaster, good days, followed by bad days. > I met a doctor on the internet from the Gut-Group, her name was > Dr. Kane http://www.bodybio.com , so I went to Dr.Lieberman > and he was pleased > that this is what we wanted to do with our son, he had been afraid > of a lot of things we wanted to try, but this delighted him. > Two weeks on her diet and my son was talking for the first time, > for six months he continued to improve, and single words turned > into sentences. That was the summer I joined this list, and I > believed that my son was metal poisoned from what I read, I was > excited about all the kids that sounded like they were recovering. > I wasn't about to go back to Dr.Lieberman, because I knew what > he was going to say, that I was going to get involved in something, > and I was going to regret it. So, I traveled up state to see a > doctor that had been giving injections for heavy metal toxicity. > He gave me DMSA, not time released, but powder DMSA, and we were > to send him back a urinary sample. I gave him only 1/4th of what > he had recommended, and my son looked like he was going to die. > He laid around, his eyes looked like someone had punched him > in both eyes, they were so dark.... and that day he stopped talking. > That has to be over three years ago, and he still hasn't talked > again. I continue with Dr.Kane's diet, it helps, I started something > new giving him raw milk, and his body is now strong and he has > had catch growth from being on an elimination dairy diet for so > long. The SCDiet also seem to help him, but it is too difficult > to follow, because my son will not eat, and I give in, because > he had been so thin for so many years, that just seeing him eat > makes me feel better. I think he is doing well, if he could > just talk again. He can communicate with me through writing. > I sure don't know how that little bit of DMSA could do so > much harm, but it did. > Now the enzymes dump ammonia, I don't know how it does > it, but it is something that I have noticed everytime > we have given him the enzymes, he is better after he > eliminates that ammonia in his urine. You cannot miss > the smell of ammonia. > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 > Two weeks on her diet and my son was talking for the first time, > for six months he continued to improve, and single words turned > into sentences. That was the summer I joined this list, and I > believed that my son was metal poisoned from what I read, I was > excited about all the kids that sounded like they were recovering. > I wasn't about to go back to Dr.Lieberman, because I knew what > he was going to say, that I was going to get involved in something, > and I was going to regret it. So, I traveled up state to see a > doctor that had been giving injections for heavy metal toxicity. > He gave me DMSA, not time released, but powder DMSA, and we were > to send him back a urinary sample. I gave him only 1/4th of what > he had recommended, and my son looked like he was going to die. > He laid around, his eyes looked like someone had punched him > in both eyes, they were so dark.... and that day he stopped talking. > That has to be over three years ago, and he still hasn't talked > again. I continue with Dr.Kane's diet, it helps, I started something > new giving him raw milk, and his body is now strong and he has > had catch growth from being on an elimination dairy diet for so > long. The SCDiet also seem to help him, but it is too difficult > to follow, because my son will not eat, and I give in, because > he had been so thin for so many years, that just seeing him eat > makes me feel better. I think he is doing well, if he could > just talk again. He can communicate with me through writing. > I sure don't know how that little bit of DMSA could do so > much harm, but it did. This sounds like " mercury redistribution " to me. Maybe there could be some other explanation, but that seems like the obvious explanation, to me. Also, the fact that DMSA had such a clear and extreme negative effect also leads me to think that your son is metal toxic. Again, there could be other explanations, but this seems like the obvious one, to me. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 I have read Lynn Redwood's paper about the similarities of autism and mercury poisoning. Have you? How can you not see the parallels? > > > Jo, You may have not seen my earlier posts where I said 'I am not > > > about to let the vaccine companies off the hook' where I said 'My > > son > > > developed the symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a hepatitis B > > > vaccination. What I said was that the symptoms of autism are not > > > the symptoms of mercury poisoning. > > > Why do you think the members of the CDC are laughing at us all? > > > You should read 'Neutron Activation Analysis of Hair Samples for > > the > > > Identification of Autism' Lin-Wen Hu, A.Bernard, and Jianmei > > Che > > > where they show that the children with ASD have much lower > > > concentrations of mercury than control children. Why are the > > parents > > > of autistic children chelating what is not there? And why are the > > > parents of autism told that 'it is there', just trapped somewhere > > > in their little bodies? This is something I am not laughing about. > > > Yes, I can show you several of the mechanisms where thimerosal > > > is harmful, above and beyond depletion of intercellular GSH, so > > what? > > > It doesn't prove our case. And until we can show them some real > > > evidence, we are simply 'shouting wolf!'. > > > There are a few things that I can only speculate on, one is that > > my > > > son was predominately infant formula fed, in Australia (2002) infant > > > formulas contained less mercury than breast milk. Now that is not > > true > > > of the infant formulas in Germany (1990), those were of similar > > > quantities of mercury to that of breast milk. While breastmilk > > > contains the intrinsic factor to utilize methylcobalamin, there is > > > that suspicion that infant formulas only store methylcobalamin. > > > Let's get some real evidence for the CDC, so that they cannot > > > turn their heads. I am not better or smarter than any parent in > > this > > > group with an autistic child, but I believe that we can get the > > > evidence that we need to prove our case, that vaccines can trigger > > > autistic symptoms. > > > Yet, I am not going to be a fool and say that the symptoms of > > > mercury poisoning are the same as the symptoms of autism. What > > > I want is the parents of autistic children to look at the symptoms > > of > > > mercury poisoning, and know why the CDC is not taking us > > seriously. > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Is there a link where I can read a copy of her paper? Thanks, Janet > > > > Jo, You may have not seen my earlier posts where I said 'I am > not > > > > about to let the vaccine companies off the hook' where I > said 'My > > > son > > > > developed the symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a > hepatitis B > > > > vaccination. What I said was that the symptoms of autism are > not > > > > the symptoms of mercury poisoning. > > > > Why do you think the members of the CDC are laughing at us > all? > > > > You should read 'Neutron Activation Analysis of Hair Samples > for > > > the > > > > Identification of Autism' Lin-Wen Hu, A.Bernard, and > Jianmei > > > Che > > > > where they show that the children with ASD have much lower > > > > concentrations of mercury than control children. Why are the > > > parents > > > > of autistic children chelating what is not there? And why are > the > > > > parents of autism told that 'it is there', just trapped > somewhere > > > > in their little bodies? This is something I am not laughing > about. > > > > Yes, I can show you several of the mechanisms where > thimerosal > > > > is harmful, above and beyond depletion of intercellular GSH, > so > > > what? > > > > It doesn't prove our case. And until we can show them some real > > > > evidence, we are simply 'shouting wolf!'. > > > > There are a few things that I can only speculate on, one is > that > > > my > > > > son was predominately infant formula fed, in Australia (2002) > infant > > > > formulas contained less mercury than breast milk. Now that is > not > > > true > > > > of the infant formulas in Germany (1990), those were of similar > > > > quantities of mercury to that of breast milk. While breastmilk > > > > contains the intrinsic factor to utilize methylcobalamin, > there is > > > > that suspicion that infant formulas only store > methylcobalamin. > > > > Let's get some real evidence for the CDC, so that they cannot > > > > turn their heads. I am not better or smarter than any parent > in > > > this > > > > group with an autistic child, but I believe that we can get the > > > > evidence that we need to prove our case, that vaccines can > trigger > > > > autistic symptoms. > > > > Yet, I am not going to be a fool and say that the symptoms of > > > > mercury poisoning are the same as the symptoms of autism. What > > > > I want is the parents of autistic children to look at the > symptoms > > > of > > > > mercury poisoning, and know why the CDC is not taking us > > > seriously. > > > > Best, > Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 This was the paper that started it all! It used to be posted on the Safeminds website, but was moved because it was published in a journal. I found it again after doing a search for Mercury Poisoning. It's called, " Autism: A Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning. " Barb [ ] Re: Autism One-Andy: > Is there a link where I can read a copy of her paper? > > Thanks, > Janet > > > > > > > Jo, You may have not seen my earlier posts where I said 'I am > > not > > > > > about to let the vaccine companies off the hook' where I > > said 'My > > > > son > > > > > developed the symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a > > hepatitis B > > > > > vaccination. What I said was that the symptoms of autism are > > not > > > > > the symptoms of mercury poisoning. > > > > > Why do you think the members of the CDC are laughing at us > > all? > > > > > You should read 'Neutron Activation Analysis of Hair Samples > > for > > > > the > > > > > Identification of Autism' Lin-Wen Hu, A.Bernard, and > > Jianmei > > > > Che > > > > > where they show that the children with ASD have much lower > > > > > concentrations of mercury than control children. Why are the > > > > parents > > > > > of autistic children chelating what is not there? And why are > > the > > > > > parents of autism told that 'it is there', just trapped > > somewhere > > > > > in their little bodies? This is something I am not laughing > > about. > > > > > Yes, I can show you several of the mechanisms where > > thimerosal > > > > > is harmful, above and beyond depletion of intercellular GSH, > > so > > > > what? > > > > > It doesn't prove our case. And until we can show them some > real > > > > > evidence, we are simply 'shouting wolf!'. > > > > > There are a few things that I can only speculate on, one is > > that > > > > my > > > > > son was predominately infant formula fed, in Australia (2002) > > infant > > > > > formulas contained less mercury than breast milk. Now that is > > not > > > > true > > > > > of the infant formulas in Germany (1990), those were of > similar > > > > > quantities of mercury to that of breast milk. While breastmilk > > > > > contains the intrinsic factor to utilize methylcobalamin, > > there is > > > > > that suspicion that infant formulas only store > > methylcobalamin. > > > > > Let's get some real evidence for the CDC, so that they > cannot > > > > > turn their heads. I am not better or smarter than any parent > > in > > > > this > > > > > group with an autistic child, but I believe that we can get > the > > > > > evidence that we need to prove our case, that vaccines can > > trigger > > > > > autistic symptoms. > > > > > Yet, I am not going to be a fool and say that the symptoms > of > > > > > mercury poisoning are the same as the symptoms of autism. > What > > > > > I want is the parents of autistic children to look at the > > symptoms > > > > of > > > > > mercury poisoning, and know why the CDC is not taking us > > > > seriously. > > > > > Best, > > Carlton > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 If I may oblige http://www.autism.com/ari/dan/mercurylong.html [ ] Re: Autism One-Andy: Is there a link where I can read a copy of her paper? Thanks, Janet > > > > Jo, You may have not seen my earlier posts where I said 'I am > not > > > > about to let the vaccine companies off the hook' where I > said 'My > > > son > > > > developed the symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a > hepatitis B > > > > vaccination. What I said was that the symptoms of autism are > not > > > > the symptoms of mercury poisoning. > > > > Why do you think the members of the CDC are laughing at us > all? > > > > You should read 'Neutron Activation Analysis of Hair Samples > for > > > the > > > > Identification of Autism' Lin-Wen Hu, A.Bernard, and > Jianmei > > > Che > > > > where they show that the children with ASD have much lower > > > > concentrations of mercury than control children. Why are the > > > parents > > > > of autistic children chelating what is not there? And why are > the > > > > parents of autism told that 'it is there', just trapped > somewhere > > > > in their little bodies? This is something I am not laughing > about. > > > > Yes, I can show you several of the mechanisms where > thimerosal > > > > is harmful, above and beyond depletion of intercellular GSH, > so > > > what? > > > > It doesn't prove our case. And until we can show them some real > > > > evidence, we are simply 'shouting wolf!'. > > > > There are a few things that I can only speculate on, one is > that > > > my > > > > son was predominately infant formula fed, in Australia (2002) > infant > > > > formulas contained less mercury than breast milk. Now that is > not > > > true > > > > of the infant formulas in Germany (1990), those were of similar > > > > quantities of mercury to that of breast milk. While breastmilk > > > > contains the intrinsic factor to utilize methylcobalamin, > there is > > > > that suspicion that infant formulas only store > methylcobalamin. > > > > Let's get some real evidence for the CDC, so that they cannot > > > > turn their heads. I am not better or smarter than any parent > in > > > this > > > > group with an autistic child, but I believe that we can get the > > > > evidence that we need to prove our case, that vaccines can > trigger > > > > autistic symptoms. > > > > Yet, I am not going to be a fool and say that the symptoms of > > > > mercury poisoning are the same as the symptoms of autism. What > > > > I want is the parents of autistic children to look at the > symptoms > > > of > > > > mercury poisoning, and know why the CDC is not taking us > > > seriously. > > > > Best, > Carlton ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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