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The doctors had a problem finding the pulses in my mother's feet too

because of her edema. (She was not on actos) They had to use a special

instrument to test. You could press the top of her foot in more than an

inch; I had the same massive edema when I was pregnant.

, you can get that edema out of your feet/foot with compression

stockings. Not out of your body, but it isn't as big a problem when it

is at your waist. Except for looks.

You need to wear them all day, and they do make nice dark ones for men.

Then the pulses will be a lot easier to find. I am surprised no doctor

has mentioned wearing these stockings to you. I get mine at e-bay;

however, Medicare will cover two pair a year.

Helen

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The doctors had a problem finding the pulses in my mother's feet too

because of her edema. (She was not on actos) They had to use a special

instrument to test. You could press the top of her foot in more than an

inch; I had the same massive edema when I was pregnant.

, you can get that edema out of your feet/foot with compression

stockings. Not out of your body, but it isn't as big a problem when it

is at your waist. Except for looks.

You need to wear them all day, and they do make nice dark ones for men.

Then the pulses will be a lot easier to find. I am surprised no doctor

has mentioned wearing these stockings to you. I get mine at e-bay;

however, Medicare will cover two pair a year.

Helen

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> I really didn't want to take a statin drug, either. I was doing low-carb,

> after all, and low-carb diets allow fats and the like...even unsaturated

> ones...and had been shown to still have lower cholesterol.

All these claims have a YMMV factor. They say about 25% of people show

increased cholesterol on a low-carb diet with sat fat. That was the reason

behind the GO Diet (now the Four Corners Diet), which limits sat fat.

The statins also have a YMMV factor. Not everyone gets the bad side effects.

Not everyone sees the good (Lipitor alone did nothing for my LDL, even at 80

mg).

So everyone has to make a decision based on individual factors. If your

parents developed muscle pains or statin-induced mental problems, then I

wouldn't try them. If you parents had cholesterol levels in the 400s and

lived to be 105, I wouldn't worry about high cholesterol. But if your

relatives had heart attacks in their 50s, your parents had high cholesterol,

took statins with no problem, and lived to be 105, then I'd choose a statin.

Gretchen.

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> , you can get that edema out of your feet/foot with compression

> stockings.

Or you could get one of those things that lets you hang by your feet. Then

turn your computer monitor upside down and you're all set. Well, until your

head swells up too much <G>.

Gretchen

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> , you can get that edema out of your feet/foot with compression

> stockings.

Or you could get one of those things that lets you hang by your feet. Then

turn your computer monitor upside down and you're all set. Well, until your

head swells up too much <G>.

Gretchen

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> , you can get that edema out of your feet/foot with compression

> stockings.

Or you could get one of those things that lets you hang by your feet. Then

turn your computer monitor upside down and you're all set. Well, until your

head swells up too much <G>.

Gretchen

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> So everyone has to make a decision based on individual factors. If

your

> parents developed muscle pains or statin-induced mental problems,

then I

> wouldn't try them. If you parents had cholesterol levels in the 400s

and

> lived to be 105, I wouldn't worry about high cholesterol. But if your

> relatives had heart attacks in their 50s, your parents had high

cholesterol,

> took statins with no problem, and lived to be 105, then I'd choose a

statin.

>

> Gretchen.

Hmm. Not sure where that leaves me. My mother is 70 and still going

strong. She takes statins. My father died at 71 from complications of

diabetes. He was on so much medication and had so many health problems

that it's hard to tell which ones were caused by what. He had multiple

heart attacks and strokes and about 7 bypasses. He had severe

neuropathy and pain in the limbs - could have been from medication or

just from the diabetes. He also had kidney failure and diminished

eyesight. His pharmaceutical list was a full page long by the time he

died, and I think some of the medications were to counteract the bad

effects of some of the other medications. That's why I'm so reluctant.

Christy

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> So everyone has to make a decision based on individual factors. If

your

> parents developed muscle pains or statin-induced mental problems,

then I

> wouldn't try them. If you parents had cholesterol levels in the 400s

and

> lived to be 105, I wouldn't worry about high cholesterol. But if your

> relatives had heart attacks in their 50s, your parents had high

cholesterol,

> took statins with no problem, and lived to be 105, then I'd choose a

statin.

>

> Gretchen.

Hmm. Not sure where that leaves me. My mother is 70 and still going

strong. She takes statins. My father died at 71 from complications of

diabetes. He was on so much medication and had so many health problems

that it's hard to tell which ones were caused by what. He had multiple

heart attacks and strokes and about 7 bypasses. He had severe

neuropathy and pain in the limbs - could have been from medication or

just from the diabetes. He also had kidney failure and diminished

eyesight. His pharmaceutical list was a full page long by the time he

died, and I think some of the medications were to counteract the bad

effects of some of the other medications. That's why I'm so reluctant.

Christy

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> So everyone has to make a decision based on individual factors. If

your

> parents developed muscle pains or statin-induced mental problems,

then I

> wouldn't try them. If you parents had cholesterol levels in the 400s

and

> lived to be 105, I wouldn't worry about high cholesterol. But if your

> relatives had heart attacks in their 50s, your parents had high

cholesterol,

> took statins with no problem, and lived to be 105, then I'd choose a

statin.

>

> Gretchen.

Hmm. Not sure where that leaves me. My mother is 70 and still going

strong. She takes statins. My father died at 71 from complications of

diabetes. He was on so much medication and had so many health problems

that it's hard to tell which ones were caused by what. He had multiple

heart attacks and strokes and about 7 bypasses. He had severe

neuropathy and pain in the limbs - could have been from medication or

just from the diabetes. He also had kidney failure and diminished

eyesight. His pharmaceutical list was a full page long by the time he

died, and I think some of the medications were to counteract the bad

effects of some of the other medications. That's why I'm so reluctant.

Christy

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>it seems to run nearly $50 a bottle wherever I've looked<

Ouch! I don't know where you are looking, but at iherb.com, a month's supply is

$18.50. BTW, if you spend $20 here, shipping there is free.

http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/nattokinase3.html

The brand listed here is a good one, one that I have used myself, but there are

many others available here and most are one third to half the price you

mentioned. I have found that everything I use is much, much cheaper here. And

I'm referring to name brands, not mystery brands.

>I stopped ALA when I started cinnamon. I have to say I never noticed much

difference with the ALA and EPO combination, anyway, so it was easy to decide

to stop them.<

I have stopped ALA from time to time, but I find that the (minor) neuropathy in

my feet is a lot more noticeable when I stop. So I know it's doing something

beneficial. However, I never expected it to lower my bgs, so I wasn't

disappointed when it didn't.

>The cinnamon I saw a difference right away.<

Would you mind letting me know what results you are getting and how much you

are taking? I'd like to lower my fasting bgs since they are usually the highest

numbers I see.

Thanks, Dianne

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>it seems to run nearly $50 a bottle wherever I've looked<

Ouch! I don't know where you are looking, but at iherb.com, a month's supply is

$18.50. BTW, if you spend $20 here, shipping there is free.

http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/nattokinase3.html

The brand listed here is a good one, one that I have used myself, but there are

many others available here and most are one third to half the price you

mentioned. I have found that everything I use is much, much cheaper here. And

I'm referring to name brands, not mystery brands.

>I stopped ALA when I started cinnamon. I have to say I never noticed much

difference with the ALA and EPO combination, anyway, so it was easy to decide

to stop them.<

I have stopped ALA from time to time, but I find that the (minor) neuropathy in

my feet is a lot more noticeable when I stop. So I know it's doing something

beneficial. However, I never expected it to lower my bgs, so I wasn't

disappointed when it didn't.

>The cinnamon I saw a difference right away.<

Would you mind letting me know what results you are getting and how much you

are taking? I'd like to lower my fasting bgs since they are usually the highest

numbers I see.

Thanks, Dianne

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At 04:12 PM 10/14/05, Kore wrote:

> >it seems to run nearly $50 a bottle wherever I've looked<

>

>Ouch! I don't know where you are looking, but at iherb.com, a month's

>supply is

>$18.50. BTW, if you spend $20 here, shipping there is free.

>

>http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/nattokinase3.html

I'll go look again. I thought I'd checked iHerb....

> >The cinnamon I saw a difference right away.<

>

>Would you mind letting me know what results you are getting and how much you

>are taking? I'd like to lower my fasting bgs since they are usually the

>highest

>numbers I see.

It's been some time but I think I started seeing morning readings 8-10

points lower than they had been. I take a 500mg tablet four times a day.

I've been wondering how the liquid extracts compare, because they're not

supposed to have the stuff in cinnamon that can cause problems (in huge

amounts). I can't find where X grams of the liquid extract equals X grams

of the solid stuff.

sky

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