Re: Weaning time of children with infantile autism

March 25, 2004

Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics would

have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

reported here. Best, Carlton

> The question remains is this what also puts children with autism at

risk

> for vaccine adverse effects? We could possibly add materal malabsorption

> to the list of breast feeding mothers to the list. Best, Carlton

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=2793787

> J Autism Dev Disord. 1989 Sep;19(3):425-34. Related Articles, Links

>

> Weaning time of children with infantile autism.

>

> Tanoue Y, Oda S.

>

> Department of Clinical Psychiatry, Yuhara Hospital, Ibaraki, Japan.

>

> Since early weaning in infancy has been known to result in

> vulnerability to infection, weaning times of 145 children diagnosed as

> autistic by DSM-III were statistically compared with those of 224

normal

> children in the same catchment area: 24.8% of the patients and 7.5% of

> the controls were weaned by the end of 1 week, a significant

difference.

> Early weaning because of the mother's rather than the child's condition

> occurred with 17.9% of the patients and 5.8% of the controls, also a

> significant difference. Historical studies on infantile autism revealed

> that the disease developed more prevalently in the socioeconomic status

> where the incidence of breast-feeding was less frequent. These results

> suggest that early weaning may contribute to the etiology of infantile

> autism.

>

> PMID: 2793787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

March 25, 2004

Well, my autistic son was breast fed for 16 months, not

exactly " early weaning " !

Margaret

March 25, 2004

Dr. Zimmerman says babies with autism are weaned early

because they are born with autism (he's a genetic proponent)and

cannot effectively nurse. My case was a child who regressed and

stopped nursing (as a result of the regression) at 9 mos. However,

my friends with ASD kids did not have autism issues until after they

stopped nursing.

Debi

> Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics

would

> have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> reported here. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

My ASD son was different from birth and had a terrible time nursing.

However, when he weaned himself at 9 mos is when all his autistic

features came out in full force...Kim

> > Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics

> would

> > have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> > children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> > reported here. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

nursed until he was three...I was reluctant to give it up after he

regressed because it was one of the only times he would look me straight in the

eye...

weaned himself when he was six months old....probably because I was

pregnant with ...

, mom to (7, autistic) and (8, heavy metal issues and soft

neurological signs)

[ ] Weaning time of children with infantile autism

The question remains is this what also puts children with autism at risk

for vaccine adverse effects? We could possibly add materal malabsorption

to the list of breast feeding mothers to the list. Best, Carlton

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=2793787

J Autism Dev Disord. 1989 Sep;19(3):425-34. Related Articles, Links

Weaning time of children with infantile autism.

Tanoue Y, Oda S.

Department of Clinical Psychiatry, Yuhara Hospital, Ibaraki, Japan.

Since early weaning in infancy has been known to result in

vulnerability to infection, weaning times of 145 children diagnosed as

autistic by DSM-III were statistically compared with those of 224 normal

children in the same catchment area: 24.8% of the patients and 7.5% of

the controls were weaned by the end of 1 week, a significant difference.

Early weaning because of the mother's rather than the child's condition

occurred with 17.9% of the patients and 5.8% of the controls, also a

significant difference. Historical studies on infantile autism revealed

that the disease developed more prevalently in the socioeconomic status

where the incidence of breast-feeding was less frequent. These results

suggest that early weaning may contribute to the etiology of infantile

autism.

PMID: 2793787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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March 25, 2004

Debi, Thank you very much for sharing that with us. See I

know we know things about our children, that no one

else can see. Not even our husbands. It has been

mentioned that children that later develop autism

have trouble with breastfeeding, there is not

nearly enough research in this area.

Best, Carlton

> > Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics

> would

> > have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> > children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> > reported here. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

Hi,

Well, my daughter LOVED nursing, and for me it was a wonderful tool

for calming the tantrums and the ONLY way I could get her to sleep.

I always knew my dd was different (from Hep B at birth.) We weaned

at 39--yes 39--months, and we were in the speech therapist's office

for an evaluation at 42 mos!

Months later, at the DAN doctor's office, the doctor said to me that

nursing for that extended time period, was probably what saved her

from being deeply entrenched in autism. I have a friend locally who

weaned her son at 17 months as she'd become pregnant again, and he

very quickly developed autism symptoms, and is now, at 5 years,

barely verbal and was ABOVE average prior to weaning.

There's definitely something to it.

Cally

> > > Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the

statistics

> > would

> > > have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> > > children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> > > reported here. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

Debi, I hope I didn't leave you feeling like it was an

impossible dream to find these answers. Surprisingly

the research on infants that have oral motor

difficulties those that cannot attach to the

breast have already been done. Some are about

nutritional poverty of the maternal milk,

others are just simply due to differences in

the mother's diet. A child so lactose

intolerance might not be getting proper

nutrition from his mother without help. What is

discouraging is we might have seen these

signs, but the information to help us

at the time was not available. It

is not out of our reach to recapture these

deficiencies, either.

Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

Debi, I don't recall my son having difficulty with attachment,

that is probably why I never covered too many of the articles

with babies having this problem. What I remember was

that it seemed like my son was starving.

It is so easy and so available just to get infant formulas today.

If you don't know any better, and see other mothers purchasing these

formulas, you think well there is no harm in this.

HMO doctors that limit the amount of time that you can stay at

home with your newborn, waiting lists for daycare centers near

where you could continue breastfeeding your child. Not to mention

the way you are treated on the job, a company that has no intentions

of setting up facilities where you can keep your child, sarcastic

remarks from male co-workers about enlarged breasts, the embarrassment

of leaking on the job, or public. Let's face it our society doesn't

encourage the breast feeding mother, still if every woman in the

workforce pulled out tomorrow it would bring our country to it's

knees. There needs to be a lot a change about the attitudes, the

education, the importance of breastfeeding our infants. If I could

go back, I would have continued breastfeeding, but I am not going to let

all the blame fall on me, either. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

My son weaned at 28 months, he regressed into autism at 18 months. Our first

doctor did say that is why my son is so affectionate, and healthy other than

autism.

Carlton <carltonl@...> wrote:Debi, Thank you very much for sharing

that with us. See I

know we know things about our children, that no one

else can see. Not even our husbands. It has been

mentioned that children that later develop autism

have trouble with breastfeeding, there is not

nearly enough research in this area.

Best, Carlton

> > Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics

> would

> > have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> > children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> > reported here. Best, Carlton

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March 25, 2004

Sorry guys!, I didn't mean to take the blame out on you, because women

can be just as insensitive. I am sure that there were several women on

the job that were eyeing my position as I was out on maternal leave.

A couple weeks ago, I saw this mother enter the restroom of a

department store to feed her infant. And when this woman began to

pound on the door, I stopped her and told her that a mother was

in there feeding her infant. Well that didn't stop the woman, she

hammed on the door even harder. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

When my daughter began to regress, I was the only one who saw it. I

could FEEL her slipping away from me. She's a twin, and I saw the

regression after their first birthdays. I somehow got the twin to

quit nursing by about 2.5, but the last time my child with autism

nursed was around her 3rd birthday, two years after her regression

and a year after an official diagnosis.

> > Any mathematicians out there that can figure what the statistics

> would

> > have been if there were 145 ASD children compared to 145 control

> > children? My guess is that it would be significantly higher than

> > reported here. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

Great, my 18 mo is still being nursed, is cranky, slightly delayed

speech-wise. How can I *ever* stop? Lol, maybe when she leaves for

college?

Debi

>

> Hi,

>

> Well, my daughter LOVED nursing, and for me it was a wonderful

tool

> for calming the tantrums and the ONLY way I could get her to

sleep.

> I always knew my dd was different (from Hep B at birth.) We

weaned

> at 39--yes 39--months, and we were in the speech therapist's

office

> for an evaluation at 42 mos!

>

March 25, 2004

Thats why we moms need to reset the standard that breastfeeding is

the norm and ff is the exception. Even scientific studies present

breastfeeding as the exception to ff, like a recent study which

said " nursing lowers blood pressure in infants " . What the title

should have been is " formula feeding raises blood pressure in

infants. " I've given all 3 of my girls formula regularly to

supplement and I'm by no means saying that ff mothers are bad, there

are real reasons not all moms can/should nurse. But, breastfeeding

is the healthiest, natural, and should be the standard. FF should be

readdressed as the exception for infant nourishment.

Debi

Let's face it our society doesn't

> encourage the breast feeding mother, still if every woman in the

> workforce pulled out tomorrow it would bring our country to it's

> knees. There needs to be a lot a change about the attitudes, the

> education, the importance of breastfeeding our infants. If I could

> go back, I would have continued breastfeeding, but I am not going

to let

> all the blame fall on me, either. Best, Carlton

March 25, 2004

Debi, Not forever! hahahaha!, but I would seriously think about

getting the advice of a good dietitian first.

Best, Carlton

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Well, my daughter LOVED nursing, and for me it was a wonderful

> tool

> > for calming the tantrums and the ONLY way I could get her to

> sleep.

> > I always knew my dd was different (from Hep B at birth.) We

> weaned

> > at 39--yes 39--months, and we were in the speech therapist's

> office

> > for an evaluation at 42 mos!

> >

March 25, 2004

Mom to 2 beautiful blue eyed boys - Noah (4) and Luke (1)

I nursed my son for 23 months. He did not really regress, but just got

more severe auditory sensitivities and speech didn't progress somewhere

between 18m - 24m. He wanted to nurse constantly. He was seeking oral

stimulus I think. He never took a bottle, pacifier, sucked his thumb,

or would finger feed. When I would go to work (sometimes for 15 hour

shifts).. he would not eat. He would starve himself all day at 2 months

old. We thought he was just being difficult. Other than the pdd stuff,

he is generally very social, happy and affectionate also, I wonder if

nursing longer did help with this. Interesting.

March 25, 2004

Ours nursed for three years exclusively and another one for comfort. BTW, I'm

pretty sure that he was doing it effectively as he got bigger over that time.

[ ] Re: Weaning time of children with infantile autism

Well, my autistic son was breast fed for 16 months, not

exactly " early weaning " !

Margaret

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March 25, 2004

,

It seems you think autism may be caused by infant formula. But I

think more babies (at least in the UK) are breastfed than in the

past, so why haven't autism rates fallen rather than risen? Also

formula feeds are better than they used to be: the one my sisters

and I were exclusively fed on had lots of aluminium in it (National

Dried Milk, )which I think used to be very cheap, or even given out

free. Most of my (English ) generation were not breast fed at all.

But autism was very very rare. Now there's lots more breastfeeding

and autism is common.

Margaret

March 26, 2004

Well, I finally get fed up at 23 months and weaned (now 7 years

old). He was much more " autistic " looking within about 6-9 months. However,

that might be a coincidence. Obviously, you can't go on forever, but I sure

wish I'd carried on a little longer.

Marti

March 26, 2004

Margaret, I'm also on a breastfeeding board and we have discussed

this very thing. Someone posted that second generation children that

are ff are the ones who have significantly worse issues -- allergy,

ADHD, sensory, etc. She did say there had been a study, but failed

to reference the study, so I don't know the truth in the statement.

But, it does make me wonder if a child is born and does not receive

the as yet unknown benefits from colostrum and mother's milk, what

effect is there on those childrens' immune systems when they

reproduce and again formula feed their infants.

My mother told me that she was taught in her nursing classes that

the immune system is not considered fully-functional until around 3

yrs old. In ancient, Biblical days babies were nursed until 2-3 yrs

old. Makes me wonder if the reason was just that, to boost the

immune system until it kicks in fully. By generations not receiving

the antibodies and other immune system " goodies " , I would theorize

it would have to impact future generations. Perhaps it's not that

the formula given now is the problem, perhaps the nutritional

failures of the 1930's-1960's were what set us up for our issues now?

Debi

--- In , " mcollins2001uk " Most of my

(English ) generation were not breast fed at all.

> But autism was very very rare. Now there's lots more breastfeeding

> and autism is common.

> Margaret

March 26, 2004

Margaret, I wish I knew. I know what happened to the infant

primates, that was such a controlled study, you could

never replicate that with human infants. They took

a group of infant primates from their mothers,

they fed one group standard formula, that group

did fine, they fed the other group a low protein

high lactose diet, and all infants in that group

developed odd behaviors. Did that second group

develop infections? Or did the poverty of the

low protein cause problems? Or did the high

lactose cause problems? Now I go into this

in a little more detail in my speech for

autism-one. I looked at each of these problems

in medline, and I found some interesting

facts. Best, Carlton

> ,

> It seems you think autism may be caused by infant formula. But I

> think more babies (at least in the UK) are breastfed than in the

> past, so why haven't autism rates fallen rather than risen? Also

> formula feeds are better than they used to be: the one my sisters

> and I were exclusively fed on had lots of aluminium in it (National

> Dried Milk, )which I think used to be very cheap, or even given out

> free. Most of my (English ) generation were not breast fed at all.

> But autism was very very rare. Now there's lots more breastfeeding

> and autism is common.

> Margaret

March 26, 2004

Margaret,

I am in my 40's. Everyone I know in my generation was formula fed

and then given solid foods early. My mother says a lot of doctors in

those days (50's - 60's) discouraged breastfeeding and she knew no

one who did it - we also knew no one on spectrum.

Michele