Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 In a message dated 5/3/2004 8:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, redhead60707@... writes: Thanks for posting this! Meg is seeing Dr. Usman next Monday and I want to know as much as I can about this. Which tests are done (you refer to tests/treatments/protocal)...and are their behavioral/medical/immunological " signs " to look for? This makes more pieces of the puzzle come together but the question always is " what to do for my child " since everyone is so unique with treatment response. Thanks again guys Jill has a grant getting ready to come through and she'll be working with several DAN doctors (including Dr. Usman) to start free testing for new patients for glutathione levels and genomics screening. Don't start anything until after the testing. This will really help them with more specific treatments as they get a better idea of what's going on. It's always better to start slow if you have a sensitive child. They're seeing some really good things and Dr. Bradstreet even said he was seeing good things with the sublingual B12. Jo Pike National Autism Association Phone: 877-NAA-AUTISM Email: Jo@... http://nationalautismassociation.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Thanks for posting this! Meg is seeing Dr. Usman next Monday and I want to know as much as I can about this. Which tests are done (you refer to tests/treatments/protocal)...and are their behavioral/medical/immunological " signs " to look for? This makes more pieces of the puzzle come together but the question always is " what to do for my child " since everyone is so unique with treatment response. Thanks again guys..... JPiker@... wrote: Hi Everyone! Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference below. We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a lot of the weekend so learned so much. They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart. From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know that the pieces are all falling together finally. 's notes: What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and produce glutathione. One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.) Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key. Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI-OXIDANTS are SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of its anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol. Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows: Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) TMG 500-1000 mg BID MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) Zinc 20 mg/day Selenium 20 mg/day Other B Vitamins at optimal levels Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything looks " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your practitioner. Other tasty tidbits of info: Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the Cysteine (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, especially in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm. GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) and Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 The dosage for selenium seems incredibly high - probably a mistake. Margaret > Hi Everyone! > > Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. > She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there > and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill > and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some > info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference > below. > > We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a > lot of the weekend so learned so much. > > They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for > everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't > respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot > of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements > to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as > her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She > absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart. > > From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the > brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming > out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing > with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA > may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids > like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's > thoughts on this. > > Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she > pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both > have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know > that the pieces are all falling together finally. > > 's notes: > > What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and > it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a > genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and > produce > glutathione. > > One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely > important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.) > > Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already > know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize > just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and > still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. > > So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's > protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key. > Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI- OXIDANTS are > SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that > DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of > its > anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a > round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E > and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is > 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these > into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol. > > Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows: > Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) > TMG 500-1000 mg BID > MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily > Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food > N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) > Zinc 20 mg/day > Selenium 20 mg/day > Other B Vitamins at optimal levels > > Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything > looks > " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your > practitioner. > > Other tasty tidbits of info: > Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. > Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the > Cysteine > (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? > > This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, > especially > in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. > > Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added > glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm. > GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) > > and Jo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 >>>> From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the brain after all Am I understanding that they are now saying " Oops...mercury in the brain? Nevermind. We were mistaken afterall. And all that stuff we told people in the past...just forget it. " ??? >>>...and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Well, my initial thoughts are that we had an extensive discussion of this and 'chelation' versus 'great detox due to antioxidants and overall health support' last year in the enzymes and autism group. That many of the kids and adults might very well be getting better because of the excellent steady antioxidants in several of the protocols. ALA is said to be an excellent universal antioxidant and thus that might be a big reason it works well. Also, there are many good reports in the enzyme group by families doing a 'low and slow' path helping the body to heal. So maybe some people were reading and decided to consider this path??? Even if not, it is interesting that the parent support group already found this method a while ago and fortunately pursued what they thought was best. I do hope that whatever is the path a family finds helpful...their loved one can reach good health as quickly and thoroughly as possible. It also comes to mind that a certain autism fellow from Tasmania brought this exact same possibility up some time ago in this group and rather than deal with the topic or even welcome it with open arms as is being done now, he was removed from this group for wanting to mention or discuss such an idea. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Is there a safe amount of ALA I can take, as an adult with amalgam fillings? TIA, Sio > >>>> From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not > stay in the brain after all > > Am I understanding that they are now saying " Oops...mercury in the > brain? Nevermind. We were mistaken afterall. And all that stuff we > told people in the past...just forget it. " ??? > > > >>>...and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well is > because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the > yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts > on this. > > Well, my initial thoughts are that we had an extensive discussion of > this and 'chelation' versus 'great detox due to antioxidants and > overall health support' last year in the enzymes and autism group. > That many of the kids and adults might very well be getting better > because of the excellent steady antioxidants in several of the > protocols. ALA is said to be an excellent universal antioxidant and > thus that might be a big reason it works well. Also, there are many > good reports in the enzyme group by families doing a 'low and slow' > path helping the body to heal. So maybe some people were reading and > decided to consider this path??? Even if not, it is interesting that > the parent support group already found this method a while ago and > fortunately pursued what they thought was best. > > I do hope that whatever is the path a family finds helpful...their > loved one can reach good health as quickly and thoroughly as > possible. > > It also comes to mind that a certain autism fellow from Tasmania > brought this exact same possibility up some time ago in this group > and rather than deal with the topic or even welcome it with open arms > as is being done now, he was removed from this group for wanting to > mention or discuss such an idea. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 This is great news...thanks again Jo, and all. JPiker@... wrote: In a message dated 5/3/2004 8:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, redhead60707@... writes: Thanks for posting this! Meg is seeing Dr. Usman next Monday and I want to know as much as I can about this. Which tests are done (you refer to tests/treatments/protocal)...and are their behavioral/medical/immunological " signs " to look for? This makes more pieces of the puzzle come together but the question always is " what to do for my child " since everyone is so unique with treatment response. Thanks again guys Jill has a grant getting ready to come through and she'll be working with several DAN doctors (including Dr. Usman) to start free testing for new patients for glutathione levels and genomics screening. Don't start anything until after the testing. This will really help them with more specific treatments as they get a better idea of what's going on. It's always better to start slow if you have a sensitive child. They're seeing some really good things and Dr. Bradstreet even said he was seeing good things with the sublingual B12. Jo Pike National Autism Association Phone: 877-NAA-AUTISM Email: Jo@... http://nationalautismassociation.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Sio, No, you need to remove your amalgams first. ALA can pull mercury from your amalgams and redistribute it into your body. Margaret > > >>>> From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does > not > > stay in the brain after all > > > > Am I understanding that they are now saying " Oops...mercury in the > > brain? Nevermind. We were mistaken afterall. And all that stuff we > > told people in the past...just forget it. " ??? > > > > > > >>>...and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well > is > > because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the > > yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's > thoughts > > on this. > > > > Well, my initial thoughts are that we had an extensive discussion > of > > this and 'chelation' versus 'great detox due to antioxidants and > > overall health support' last year in the enzymes and autism group. > > That many of the kids and adults might very well be getting better > > because of the excellent steady antioxidants in several of the > > protocols. ALA is said to be an excellent universal antioxidant > and > > thus that might be a big reason it works well. Also, there are > many > > good reports in the enzyme group by families doing a 'low and > slow' > > path helping the body to heal. So maybe some people were reading > and > > decided to consider this path??? Even if not, it is interesting > that > > the parent support group already found this method a while ago and > > fortunately pursued what they thought was best. > > > > I do hope that whatever is the path a family finds helpful...their > > loved one can reach good health as quickly and thoroughly as > > possible. > > > > It also comes to mind that a certain autism fellow from Tasmania > > brought this exact same possibility up some time ago in this group > > and rather than deal with the topic or even welcome it with open > arms > > as is being done now, he was removed from this group for wanting > to > > mention or discuss such an idea. > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 In a message dated 5/3/2004 10:01:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, defelice@... writes: Am I understanding that they are now saying " Oops...mercury in the brain? Nevermind. We were mistaken afterall. And all that stuff we told people in the past...just forget it. " ??? It still goes to the brain and stays long enough to do it's damage but from what Dr. Bradstreet said, it doesn't stay there. They're involved in several primate studies that should be published before too long. Jo Pike National Autism Association Phone: 877-NAA-AUTISM Email: Jo@... http://nationalautismassociation.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I don't think so. Dagmar. Is there a safe amount of ALA I can take, as an adult with amalgam fillings? TIA, Sio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 My autistic son takes 100 mg. Selenium/day per Pfeiffer... , mom to (7, autistic) and (8, metals issues) [ ] Re: Jill Jame's Protocol The dosage for selenium seems incredibly high - probably a mistake. Margaret > Hi Everyone! > > Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. > She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there > and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill > and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some > info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference > below. > > We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a > lot of the weekend so learned so much. > > They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for > everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't > respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot > of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements > to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as > her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She > absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart. > > From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the > brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming > out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing > with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA > may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids > like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's > thoughts on this. > > Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she > pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both > have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know > that the pieces are all falling together finally. > > 's notes: > > What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and > it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a > genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and > produce > glutathione. > > One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely > important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.) > > Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already > know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize > just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and > still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. > > So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's > protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key. > Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI- OXIDANTS are > SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that > DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of > its > anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a > round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E > and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is > 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these > into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol. > > Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows: > Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) > TMG 500-1000 mg BID > MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily > Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food > N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) > Zinc 20 mg/day > Selenium 20 mg/day > Other B Vitamins at optimal levels > > Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything > looks > " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your > practitioner. > > Other tasty tidbits of info: > Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. > Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the > Cysteine > (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? > > This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, > especially > in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. > > Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added > glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm. > GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) > > and Jo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 In a message dated 5/3/2004 10:01:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, defelice@... writes: Am I understanding that they are now saying " Oops...mercury in the brain? Nevermind. We were mistaken afterall. And all that stuff we told people in the past...just forget it. " ??? I just got off the phone with Lyn Redwood and she was at the EPA mercury symposium in FL last week. She said that they now have data on mercury species and in fact, as they suspected, ethyl more rapidly converts to inorganic mercury in the brain and the rates of inorganic mercury in the thimerosal exposed primates was increasing over time. Jo Pike National Autism Association Phone: 877-NAA-AUTISM Email: Jo@... http://nationalautismassociation.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 I have been reading about taking whey protein to increase GSH - has anyone heard of this or tried it? Sawyer [ ] Jill Jame's Protocol Hi Everyone! Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference below. We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a lot of the weekend so learned so much. They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart. From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know that the pieces are all falling together finally. 's notes: What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and produce glutathione. One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.) Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key. Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI-OXIDANTS are SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of its anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol. Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows: Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) TMG 500-1000 mg BID MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) Zinc 20 mg/day Selenium 20 mg/day Other B Vitamins at optimal levels Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything looks " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your practitioner. Other tasty tidbits of info: Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the Cysteine (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, especially in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm. GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) and Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Dear , Are you sure that it isn't micrograms (mcg) of selenium? 100 mg would be toxic from what I've read... My kids are on 120 mcg daily. > > Hi Everyone! > > > > Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett > Hospital in NY. > > She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care > Professionals there > > and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, > Dr. Jill > > and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass > along some > > info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the > conference > > below. > > > > We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full > attention for a > > lot of the weekend so learned so much. > > > > They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work > for > > everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in > testing but don't > > respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific > and needs a lot > > of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these > supplements > > to see improvements but there's research on the way that will > begin as soon as > > her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot > more. She > > absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a > good heart. > > > > From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not > stay in the > > brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if > lead is coming > > out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may > be seeing > > with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that > the reason DMSA > > may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant > but for kids > > like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear > everyone's > > thoughts on this. > > > > Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities > and she > > pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic > acid. They both > > have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope > and I know > > that the pieces are all falling together finally. > > > > 's notes: > > > > What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just > incredible and > > it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids > have a > > genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative > stress and > > produce > > glutathione. > > > > One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It > is hugely > > important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione > production.) > > > > Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of > us already > > know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I > didn't realize > > just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD > faithfully and > > still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. > > > > So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is > where Jill's > > protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements > is key. > > Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI- > OXIDANTS are > > SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is > thought that > > DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but > because of > > its > > anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great > during a > > round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, > Vitamin E > > and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed > Extract is > > 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to > get these > > into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic > Acid protocol. > > > > Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as > follows: > > Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) > > TMG 500-1000 mg BID > > MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily > > Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food > > N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) > > Zinc 20 mg/day > > Selenium 20 mg/day > > Other B Vitamins at optimal levels > > > > Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if > anything > > looks > > " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. > Ask your > > practitioner. > > > > Other tasty tidbits of info: > > Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. > > Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or > the > > Cysteine > > (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? > > > > This current research will make us all re-think our kids' > treatments, > > especially > > in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. > > > > Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed > it. She added > > glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from > harm. > > GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) > > > > and Jo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 The dosage of selenium that Dr. Bradstreet recommended at the conference is 20 micrograms/day. Selenium is a trace element and could be dangerous if given at 20 milligrams/day. Karl > > Hi Everyone! > > > > Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett > Hospital in NY. > > She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care > Professionals there > > and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, > Dr. Jill > > and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass > along some > > info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the > conference > > below. > > > > We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full > attention for a > > lot of the weekend so learned so much. > > > > They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work > for > > everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in > testing but don't > > respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific > and needs a lot > > of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these > supplements > > to see improvements but there's research on the way that will > begin as soon as > > her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot > more. She > > absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a > good heart. > > > > From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not > stay in the > > brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if > lead is coming > > out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may > be seeing > > with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that > the reason DMSA > > may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant > but for kids > > like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear > everyone's > > thoughts on this. > > > > Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities > and she > > pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic > acid. They both > > have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope > and I know > > that the pieces are all falling together finally. > > > > 's notes: > > > > What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just > incredible and > > it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids > have a > > genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative > stress and > > produce > > glutathione. > > > > One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It > is hugely > > important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione > production.) > > > > Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of > us already > > know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I > didn't realize > > just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD > faithfully and > > still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. > > > > So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is > where Jill's > > protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements > is key. > > Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI- > OXIDANTS are > > SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is > thought that > > DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but > because of > > its > > anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great > during a > > round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, > Vitamin E > > and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed > Extract is > > 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to > get these > > into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic > Acid protocol. > > > > Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as > follows: > > Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) > > TMG 500-1000 mg BID > > MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily > > Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food > > N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) > > Zinc 20 mg/day > > Selenium 20 mg/day > > Other B Vitamins at optimal levels > > > > Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if > anything > > looks > > " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. > Ask your > > practitioner. > > > > Other tasty tidbits of info: > > Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. > > Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or > the > > Cysteine > > (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? > > > > This current research will make us all re-think our kids' > treatments, > > especially > > in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. > > > > Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed > it. She added > > glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from > harm. > > GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) > > > > and Jo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Not a good idea for folks with casein/dairy issues. S From: Sawyer [mailto: sawyerfamily@...] Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:01:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [ ] Jill Jame's Protocol <html><body> <tt> I have been reading about taking whey protein to increase GSH - has anyone heard of this or tried it?<BR> <BR> Sawyer<BR> Â [ ] Jill Jame's Protocol<BR> <BR> <BR> Â Hi Everyone!<BR> <BR> Â Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. <BR> Â She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there <BR> Â and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill <BR> Â and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some <BR> Â info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference <BR> Â below.<BR> <BR> Â We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a <BR> Â lot of the weekend so learned so much.<BR> <BR> Â They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for <BR> Â everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't <BR> Â respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot <BR> Â of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements <BR> Â to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as <BR> Â her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She <BR> Â absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart.<BR> <BR> Â From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the <BR> Â brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming <BR> Â out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing <BR> Â with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA <BR> Â may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids <BR> Â like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's <BR> Â thoughts on this.<BR> <BR> Â Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she <BR> Â pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both <BR> Â have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know <BR> Â that the pieces are all falling together finally.<BR> <BR> Â 's notes:<BR> <BR> Â What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and<BR> Â it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a<BR> Â genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and <BR> Â produce<BR> Â glutathione.<BR> <BR> Â One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely<BR> Â important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.)<BR> <BR> Â Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already<BR> Â know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize<BR> Â just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and<BR> Â still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione.<BR> <BR> Â So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's<BR> Â protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key.<BR> Â Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI-OXIDANTS are<BR> Â SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that<BR> Â DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of <BR> Â its<BR> Â anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a<BR> Â round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E<BR> Â and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is<BR> Â 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these<BR> Â into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol.<BR> <BR> Â Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows:<BR> Â Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day)<BR> Â TMG 500-1000 mg BID<BR> Â MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily<BR> Â Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food<BR> Â N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV)<BR> Â Zinc 20 mg/day<BR> Â Selenium 20 mg/day<BR> Â Other B Vitamins at optimal levels<BR> <BR> Â Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything <BR> Â looks<BR> Â " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your<BR> Â practitioner.<BR> <BR> Â Other tasty tidbits of info:<BR> Â Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral.<BR> Â Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the <BR> Â Cysteine<BR> Â (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping?????<BR> <BR> Â This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, <BR> Â especially<BR> Â in the area of chelation as we have been doing it.<BR> <BR> Â Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added<BR> Â glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm.<BR> Â GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-)<BR> <BR> Â and Jo<BR> <BR> <BR> Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hi, I just have a question, when giving the B12, TMG and folinic acid we are turning on the methylation system, right? When you give the medications as ordered, do the kids slowly get better and better because glutathione is produced and they are able to get the metals out on their own? Or do they plateau? Just trying to understand the process. THanks so much!! Kathy (Colin's MOM) Shepard <_Shepard@...> wrote: Not a good idea for folks with casein/dairy issues. S From: Sawyer [mailto: sawyerfamily@...] Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:01:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [ ] Jill Jame's Protocol I have been reading about taking whey protein to increase GSH - has anyone heard of this or tried it? Sawyer [ ] Jill Jame's Protocol Hi Everyone! Through son, NAA hosted a conference with Bassett Hospital in NY. She was able to get many Pediatricians and Health Care Professionals there and it was an incredible day. The presenters were Dr. Bradstreet, Dr. Jill and Dr. Wakefield. What an eye-opening weekend. I wanted to pass along some info. and I've included 's (our Secretary's) post about the conference below. We were lucky enough to have Dr. Bradstreet's and Jill's full attention for a lot of the weekend so learned so much. They'll both be the first to say that Jill's protocol won't work for everyone. They have some children who appear to be identical in testing but don't respond to the same treatments. This is still very child specific and needs a lot of tweaking. It may take a whole lot more or less of any of these supplements to see improvements but there's research on the way that will begin as soon as her grant money comes through and hopefully we'll learn a lot more. She absolutely glows when she talks about her work and she has such a good heart. From talking to Dr. Bradstreet, it appears that mercury does not stay in the brain after all and he's only doing a challenge test to see if lead is coming out which would make him continue with DMSA. The mercury you may be seeing with chelation could be due to daily exposure and it appears that the reason DMSA may be working so well is because it's an incredible antioxidant but for kids like mine, the yeast overgrowth isn't worth it. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Jill gave us a specific protocol knowing Hunter's sensitivities and she pointed out over and over that you cannot just do TMG or folinic acid. They both have to be used together. I left that conference with so much hope and I know that the pieces are all falling together finally. 's notes: What a weekend! The research that is going on right now is just incredible and it's all coming down to oxidative stress. It looks like our kids have a genetic susceptibility with their ability to resist oxidative stress and produce glutathione. One of the BIG pieces of the puzzle is Glutathione production. It is hugely important for our kids. (Exposure to mercury inhibits Glutathione production.) Glutathione is necessary not only for detoxification - as most of us already know - but it is also essential for the digestion process. I didn't realize just how crucial it is for digestion. Those of us following SCD faithfully and still having problems could be due to the lack of glutathione. So, what do we do to increase glutathione production? This is where Jill's protocol comes into play. But the order of introducing supplements is key. Jill says you MUST preload these kids with anti-oxidants. ANTI-OXIDANTS are SOOOOO important. DMSA is our most powerful anti-oxidant. It is thought that DMSA is helping our kids NOT because it's pulling metals out, but because of its anti-oxidant properties. This would explain why some kids do great during a round of chelation and then regress on their off days. (Vitamin C, Vitamin E and grape seed extract are all excellent anti-oxidants. Grape Seed Extract is 1,000 times more potent than Vitamin C.) It is very important to get these into our kids before starting the Methyl B-12, TMG and Folinic Acid protocol. Dr. Bradstreet showed a slide with his treatment protocol as follows: Folinic Acid 400-800 mcg BID (2x/day) TMG 500-1000 mg BID MB-12 1000-5000 mcg + up daily Methionine 500-2,000 mg BID w/food N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) 25 - 600 mcg BID (or via IV) Zinc 20 mg/day Selenium 20 mg/day Other B Vitamins at optimal levels Please note, I wrote this down quickly as he was speaking, so if anything looks " off " to you, please don't try this based on my interpretation. Ask your practitioner. Other tasty tidbits of info: Dr. Bradstreet says Vitamin A is NOT anti-viral. Secretin has Cysteine in it as a stabilizer. Is it the secretin or the Cysteine (which produces glutathione) that is actually helping????? This current research will make us all re-think our kids' treatments, especially in the area of chelation as we have been doing it. Jill injected a healthy cell with thimerosal and it killed it. She added glutathione before the thimerosal and the cell was protected from harm. GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE, GLUTATHIONE! It's a good thing! :-) and Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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