RE: Re: Not all US Orthopaedic Surgeons are idiots!

[Guest guest]

FAO Joe (joey94568)

Joe

I've been following this conversation and correspondence with keen interest

as a prospective UK patient waiting on a date for a resurfacing intervention

in the UK. I must say that I find your OPINIONS unreasonable, unproven (as

opinions usually are) and unrepresentative. However, I find your STYLE of

correspondence and your MANNERS and ETIQUETTE offensive and lacking in

grace. I am not trying to defend Edith and Sharry - I am sure they can do a

much better job themselves - I just think this site should not be used in

such a OFFENSIVE and hurtful way. You could have politely disagreed with

others who do not share your views without resorting to personal insults.

By the way, as a non-USA member of this group, I can assure you that my

OPINION of the majority of American OS's approach to resurfacing is very

similar to that expressed by Edith and Sharry. However, these opinions were

formed before I read their posts and are a result of avidly reading all

posts for more than 12 months now. So, if it walks like a duck, if it

quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck - it probably is a duck. Your

angry notes failed to convince me otherwise.

Regards

Dan Milosevic

Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons are idiots!

Dear Edith and Sharry,

Edith, if I have offended you, GREAT! The fact that you haven't

given the reason your views are stereotyped is irrelevnt - the fact

that they are stereotyped for what are likely personal reasons, is

sufficient ignorance when placed on this board which is intended to

give meaningful information to prospective resurfacers. Sharry

please read my response to Edith which offended her - it applies

equally well to you.

Edith, yes you did make the comment " majority of American OS's. " For

you and Sharry to draw a universal conclusion regarding American OS's

just from the postings on this website, is absurd. Sharry, if you

feel it is acceptable to draw such a concluion just from the postings

on this website, I hope that you never join an extremest group -

you'd be a likely candidate for following the actions dictated by

mass histeria. And if labeling the majority of American OS's as

being opposed to resurfacing just because of the postings on this

website is not stereotypying, then please ladies tell me what it is -

for surely you can't consider your OPINIONS to be fact just because

of people (relatively few, unless you have been keeping count and

have numbers you can provide) vocalizing bad experiences!

Bottom line: your labeling is stereotyping, it is unfair, and it is

inappropriate advice to those new to this site.

You may wish to warn people that there are OS's who do not favor or

support resurfacing, and that these prospective resurfacers should

not rely entirley on the opinions of these OS's - it is a much more

reasonable and appropriate action. I would also suggest that both of

you as well as those so opposed to American OS's read

Trautman's recent posting of LOGICAL REASONS why there may be

difficluty with some American OS's regarding resurfacing.

If I seem touchy or irritated, it is only because I had a great local

OS support me, and others have recently posted of similar experience

with their local OS, and I am tired of all of the negaitivity which

seems to be aimed at discouraging prospective resurfacers from

gaining the support of an American OS.

And by the way, none of the above do I state as fact, never did I

state any FACTS about Edith and Sharry, now or previously - rather

all of the above is of my opinion. At least I have the courage to

state emphatically that these are my opinions, and not be so arrogant

as to suggest that I am making statements of fact

Joe

Bilateral, 5/8/03 C+ Dr Amstutz

> Well said, Edith.

> It seems to me that when the consistent experience of users of

this forum is that of encountering orthopaedic surgeons who are

extremely negative towards resurfing, then a conclusion can be

extrapolated from that. To whit, that we all should be warned that

we are likely to encounter the same attitude, and that we should not

be put off by it. Forewarned is.....It certainly applied here in

Canada as well and I thank people here for preparing me for that

negative reception and to not be discouraged by it.

> Sharry

> RBHR De Smet 27/08/2003

> Re: Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons

are idiots!

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Ah .........excuse me but I don't really appreciate being told

that my

> stereotyped views are offensive, if not ignorant as a blanket

statement when

> supposed views are not listed............ or information given

about why my

> particular views are stereotype etc........... In doing as you

have you

> yourself are simply doing what you accuse me and others of

> doing............i.e. making general statements without any

> evidence............

>

> I am not an American and I have not expressed any opinions about

the

> 'majority of Amercian OS's' here or elsewhere.

>

> Thank you............

>

> > I'm sure you are a good person with good intents, but it's what

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> I am

> > sure are stereotyped views such as yours, or Edith's or

Abmacdona

> > (when you make the comment " a majority of American OS's " ) that

are

> > offensive if not ignorant. Can you, or anyone for that matter,

> > please tell me how many American OS's are there? And how many

people

> > have posted on this site about negative experiences (maybe 100

or

> > 200)? So where do you get this fact that the negaitivity comes

from

> > a " majority " of American OS's. OK, maybe I'm the ignorant one

and

> > the facts are out there - I will be happy to admit it, but

please do

> > provide an unbiased source for your facts.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan, couldn't have said it better myself....I have never had runins with anyone

like with this guy...and hope I never do again. He needs to reread 's

points on etiquette. Is he new to this group? Does that explain the lack of

couth? Edith has always been the height of tact and doesn't deserve thsi kind

of mudslinging.

Sharry

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons

are idiots!

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Ah .........excuse me but I don't really appreciate being told

that my

> stereotyped views are offensive, if not ignorant as a blanket

statement when

> supposed views are not listed............ or information given

about why my

> particular views are stereotype etc........... In doing as you

have you

> yourself are simply doing what you accuse me and others of

> doing............i.e. making general statements without any

> evidence............

>

> I am not an American and I have not expressed any opinions about

the

> 'majority of Amercian OS's' here or elsewhere.

>

> Thank you............

>

> > I'm sure you are a good person with good intents, but it's what

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> I am

> > sure are stereotyped views such as yours, or Edith's or

Abmacdona

> > (when you make the comment " a majority of American OS's " ) that

are

> > offensive if not ignorant. Can you, or anyone for that matter,

> > please tell me how many American OS's are there? And how many

people

> > have posted on this site about negative experiences (maybe 100

or

> > 200)? So where do you get this fact that the negaitivity comes

from

> > a " majority " of American OS's. OK, maybe I'm the ignorant one

and

> > the facts are out there - I will be happy to admit it, but

please do

> > provide an unbiased source for your facts.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FAO Sharry Schneider

Sharry

My thoughts exactly - I thought that must be new to this group. I

find bullying and rudeness weakens anybody's argument. I could not see the

point of piling insults on people you disagree with. It seems however that

has recognised this as well and that he will now contribute to this

group in a much more measured, polite and constructive way. I look forward

to that.

Best regards

Dan

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopaedic Surgeons are

idiots!

Dan, couldn't have said it better myself....I have never had runins with

anyone like with this guy...and hope I never do again. He needs to reread

's points on etiquette. Is he new to this group? Does that explain

the lack of couth? Edith has always been the height of tact and doesn't

deserve thsi kind of mudslinging.

Sharry

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons

are idiots!

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Ah .........excuse me but I don't really appreciate being told

that my

> stereotyped views are offensive, if not ignorant as a blanket

statement when

> supposed views are not listed............ or information given

about why my

> particular views are stereotype etc........... In doing as you

have you

> yourself are simply doing what you accuse me and others of

> doing............i.e. making general statements without any

> evidence............

>

> I am not an American and I have not expressed any opinions about

the

> 'majority of Amercian OS's' here or elsewhere.

>

> Thank you............

>

> > I'm sure you are a good person with good intents, but it's what

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> I am

> > sure are stereotyped views such as yours, or Edith's or

Abmacdona

> > (when you make the comment " a majority of American OS's " ) that

are

> > offensive if not ignorant. Can you, or anyone for that matter,

> > please tell me how many American OS's are there? And how many

people

> > have posted on this site about negative experiences (maybe 100

or

> > 200)? So where do you get this fact that the negaitivity comes

from

> > a " majority " of American OS's. OK, maybe I'm the ignorant one

and

> > the facts are out there - I will be happy to admit it, but

please do

> > provide an unbiased source for your facts.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FAO Sharry Schneider

Sharry

My thoughts exactly - I thought that must be new to this group. I

find bullying and rudeness weakens anybody's argument. I could not see the

point of piling insults on people you disagree with. It seems however that

has recognised this as well and that he will now contribute to this

group in a much more measured, polite and constructive way. I look forward

to that.

Best regards

Dan

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopaedic Surgeons are

idiots!

Dan, couldn't have said it better myself....I have never had runins with

anyone like with this guy...and hope I never do again. He needs to reread

's points on etiquette. Is he new to this group? Does that explain

the lack of couth? Edith has always been the height of tact and doesn't

deserve thsi kind of mudslinging.

Sharry

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons

are idiots!

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Ah .........excuse me but I don't really appreciate being told

that my

> stereotyped views are offensive, if not ignorant as a blanket

statement when

> supposed views are not listed............ or information given

about why my

> particular views are stereotype etc........... In doing as you

have you

> yourself are simply doing what you accuse me and others of

> doing............i.e. making general statements without any

> evidence............

>

> I am not an American and I have not expressed any opinions about

the

> 'majority of Amercian OS's' here or elsewhere.

>

> Thank you............

>

> > I'm sure you are a good person with good intents, but it's what

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> I am

> > sure are stereotyped views such as yours, or Edith's or

Abmacdona

> > (when you make the comment " a majority of American OS's " ) that

are

> > offensive if not ignorant. Can you, or anyone for that matter,

> > please tell me how many American OS's are there? And how many

people

> > have posted on this site about negative experiences (maybe 100

or

> > 200)? So where do you get this fact that the negaitivity comes

from

> > a " majority " of American OS's. OK, maybe I'm the ignorant one

and

> > the facts are out there - I will be happy to admit it, but

please do

> > provide an unbiased source for your facts.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FAO Sharry Schneider

Sharry

My thoughts exactly - I thought that must be new to this group. I

find bullying and rudeness weakens anybody's argument. I could not see the

point of piling insults on people you disagree with. It seems however that

has recognised this as well and that he will now contribute to this

group in a much more measured, polite and constructive way. I look forward

to that.

Best regards

Dan

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopaedic Surgeons are

idiots!

Dan, couldn't have said it better myself....I have never had runins with

anyone like with this guy...and hope I never do again. He needs to reread

's points on etiquette. Is he new to this group? Does that explain

the lack of couth? Edith has always been the height of tact and doesn't

deserve thsi kind of mudslinging.

Sharry

Re: Re: Not all US Orthopedic Surgeons

are idiots!

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Ah .........excuse me but I don't really appreciate being told

that my

> stereotyped views are offensive, if not ignorant as a blanket

statement when

> supposed views are not listed............ or information given

about why my

> particular views are stereotype etc........... In doing as you

have you

> yourself are simply doing what you accuse me and others of

> doing............i.e. making general statements without any

> evidence............

>

> I am not an American and I have not expressed any opinions about

the

> 'majority of Amercian OS's' here or elsewhere.

>

> Thank you............

>

> > I'm sure you are a good person with good intents, but it's what

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> I am

> > sure are stereotyped views such as yours, or Edith's or

Abmacdona

> > (when you make the comment " a majority of American OS's " ) that

are

> > offensive if not ignorant. Can you, or anyone for that matter,

> > please tell me how many American OS's are there? And how many

people

> > have posted on this site about negative experiences (maybe 100

or

> > 200)? So where do you get this fact that the negaitivity comes

from

> > a " majority " of American OS's. OK, maybe I'm the ignorant one

and

> > the facts are out there - I will be happy to admit it, but

please do

> > provide an unbiased source for your facts.

> >

>

>

>

>