Re: What, oh, what is normal????

[Guest guest]

I have seen perfectly normal(if there is such a thing) know these things. As far

as letters go and putting together puzzles with the states. But if he can recite

the states(not in a song or anything) and know them all I would say this is

quite odd. Unless the mother is practicing with him. I know some mothers who

like to teach their babies all sorts of things. And some children love that. So

that could be it. But I dont know the mother or child of course.

Jacquie H

What, oh, what is normal????

I am so tired of looking at other people's children and seeing signs of ASD.

This time the child reminds me of Enrique. He is two. He knows all his

letters, big and small, and he can write some words. He knows all the states in

the U.S. and he can put them together in a wooden map puzzle.

He has great eye contact, is very attached to his mother and has pretty good

play skills.

But all three of those things could be said of Enrique.

His speech is excellent although he calls himself " you. "

Just how normal does all this sound?

Do perfectly normal two year olds sometimes know all this stuff? I just

suspect everything and everyone and I wish I could enjoy spending time with

other people's small children without endlessly seeing signs of ASD issues.

He's a nice little boy.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> > He is two. He knows all his letters, big and small, and he can write

some words. He knows all the states in the U.S. and he can put them

together in a wooden map puzzle.

>

> Do perfectly normal two year olds sometimes know all this stuff? <

>

>

> ummm, no

>

Never? That is my real question. Do they absolutely NEVER know this stuff

or is it just uncommon?

I don't think classic autism when I see this stuff, of course, I think

Asperger Syndrome and no one is going to dx that in a two year old anyway.

Boo, hiss.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I have seen perfectly normal(if there is such a thing) know these things.

As far as letters go and putting together puzzles with the states. But if he

can recite the states(not in a song or anything) and know them all I would

say this is quite odd.

He can. He can identify all the states with they are upside down by name.

Unless the mother is practicing with him. I know some mothers who like to

teach their babies all sorts of things. And some children love that. So that

could be it.

She is a lovely and involved mother who spends oodles of time with him. She

may well have taught him all of this.

But I do not think I could have taught Robbie these things and I do not

think I could have stopped Enrique from learning them.

She did say that she never thought she was the kind of mother who would be

pushing this kind of information on her child, but he wanted it so much.

I said the same thing with Enrique.

Oh, and he was most happy to have me go. He wanted to be alone with her.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I see the same thing in others kids and I have to wonder if it is truly

ASD that I see or that because I am so immersed in this life that I see

signs which are really nothing at all....

>

Exactly, Chris. Well, they are signs of ASD of course, but it is the degree

or something that is the problem and I do not know where to draw the line.

I know that professionals are not sure either sometimes and especially at

this age.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I think it is uncommon. It could be AS but then again it could be a child

> who is unusually brilliant which doesn't neccessarily make him AS but then

> again like you said a 2 there is little chance of a dx.

>

Right. And the parents are very bright. The father is a philosophy

professor (does not sound at all like an autistic profession, not in the

least!) and the mother was a lawyer before quitting to stay home with her

children.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I think it is uncommon. It could be AS but then again it could be a child

> who is unusually brilliant which doesn't neccessarily make him AS but then

> again like you said a 2 there is little chance of a dx.

>

Right. And the parents are very bright. The father is a philosophy

professor (does not sound at all like an autistic profession, not in the

least!) and the mother was a lawyer before quitting to stay home with her

children.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I think it is uncommon. It could be AS but then again it could be a child

> who is unusually brilliant which doesn't neccessarily make him AS but then

> again like you said a 2 there is little chance of a dx.

>

Right. And the parents are very bright. The father is a philosophy

professor (does not sound at all like an autistic profession, not in the

least!) and the mother was a lawyer before quitting to stay home with her

children.

Salli

[Guest guest]

I think it is uncommon. It could be AS but then again it could be a child

who is unusually brilliant which doesn't neccessarily make him AS but then

again like you said a 2 there is little chance of a dx.

-- Re: What, oh, what is normal????

> > He is two. He knows all his letters, big and small, and he can write

some words. He knows all the states in the U.S. and he can put them

together in a wooden map puzzle.

>

> Do perfectly normal two year olds sometimes know all this stuff? <

>

>

> ummm, no

>

Never? That is my real question. Do they absolutely NEVER know this stuff

or is it just uncommon?

I don't think classic autism when I see this stuff, of course, I think

Asperger Syndrome and no one is going to dx that in a two year old anyway.

Boo, hiss.

Salli

[Guest guest]

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Oh, and he was most happy to have me go. He wanted to be alone with her.

I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother. Made me

nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was awful.

Jacquie H

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

Oh, and he was most happy to have me go. He wanted to be alone with her.

I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother. Made me

nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was awful.

Jacquie H

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

Oh, and he was most happy to have me go. He wanted to be alone with her.

I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother. Made me

nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was awful.

Jacquie H

[Guest guest]

> I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother.

Made me nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was

awful.

>

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother.

Made me nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was

awful.

>

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

> I was the same way. I did not like other people talking to my mother.

Made me nervous beyond belief. And I was like that for YEARS! ugh. It was

awful.

>

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

Jacquie H

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

Jacquie H

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

Jacquie H

And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

Salli

[Guest guest]

And how NT is Jeff?

I can guess...

Salli

> Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

> Jacquie H

>

> And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

>

[Guest guest]

LMAO!!!!!! Jeff is barely , just barely out of the range of being a total aspie!

He is starting to understand some things. But very slowly. And really that's

just the way he was born. LOl He says I am so predictable. I think HE is the

predictable one. ugh

Jacquie H

Re: What, oh, what is normal????

And how NT is Jeff?

I can guess...

Salli

> Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

> Jacquie H

>

> And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

>

[Guest guest]

LMAO!!!!!! Jeff is barely , just barely out of the range of being a total aspie!

He is starting to understand some things. But very slowly. And really that's

just the way he was born. LOl He says I am so predictable. I think HE is the

predictable one. ugh

Jacquie H

Re: What, oh, what is normal????

And how NT is Jeff?

I can guess...

Salli

> Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

> Jacquie H

>

> And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

>

[Guest guest]

LMAO!!!!!! Jeff is barely , just barely out of the range of being a total aspie!

He is starting to understand some things. But very slowly. And really that's

just the way he was born. LOl He says I am so predictable. I think HE is the

predictable one. ugh

Jacquie H

Re: What, oh, what is normal????

And how NT is Jeff?

I can guess...

Salli

> Jeff says I am so NT I am boring. LOL

> Jacquie H

>

> And you strike me as very NT. So that is good to know.

>

[Guest guest]

My inclination is to feel the same as you. I do not think that is

normal. Now the boy may have a very gifted intelligence and that is

all, but...experience has also led me to think it would be extremely

wise to watch him for social skills development and atypical language

usage, among other things. But I am not a professional. I am just

a stay at home mother who sees alot of zebras.

[Guest guest]

My inclination is to feel the same as you. I do not think that is

normal. Now the boy may have a very gifted intelligence and that is

all, but...experience has also led me to think it would be extremely

wise to watch him for social skills development and atypical language

usage, among other things. But I am not a professional. I am just

a stay at home mother who sees alot of zebras.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Well, I think a normal 2-year-old could be expected to reverse pronouns,

and

> as for the rest...why not? There ARE some simply brilliant children out

> there without any other issues -- I think we as a group tend to doubt

that

> because that's what we thought about OUR kids, and what we were told about

> our kids, and we're pretty bitter about that.

>

Yup. Makes it hard to know what to think, doesn't it? I mean some things

are just so autistic that they scream it out at you and others...well, they

are signs, but perhaps not always.

None of my kids ever reversed pronouns at any age except Enrique and Putter.

So that alone worries me though I have heard it can be a normal state which

is what I thought it was with Enrique, of course. THAT'S the big problem.

We have all told ourselves these things, and they all sounded logical at the

time, but we were WRONG!!!!

Salli

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Well, I think a normal 2-year-old could be expected to reverse pronouns,

and

> as for the rest...why not? There ARE some simply brilliant children out

> there without any other issues -- I think we as a group tend to doubt

that

> because that's what we thought about OUR kids, and what we were told about

> our kids, and we're pretty bitter about that.

>

Yup. Makes it hard to know what to think, doesn't it? I mean some things

are just so autistic that they scream it out at you and others...well, they

are signs, but perhaps not always.

None of my kids ever reversed pronouns at any age except Enrique and Putter.

So that alone worries me though I have heard it can be a normal state which

is what I thought it was with Enrique, of course. THAT'S the big problem.

We have all told ourselves these things, and they all sounded logical at the

time, but we were WRONG!!!!

Salli