Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for 5-10 secon...

[Guest guest]

It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police officer had

the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle behind the ambulance.

However, is it just me, or does anyone else thing that thet paramedic should not

have exited the rear of the ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe

that I was taught in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all parties

involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

Trousdale

EMT-B

 Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows what's

going on?

________________________________

To: texasems-l

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for 5-10

secon...

It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the ambulance could

safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the trooper

to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

at the " emergency " .

This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

handled by all concerned.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

In my honest opinion, and some of you that are peace officers can correct me if

I am wrong here, TCLEOSE needs to implement a class that will teach officers to

harness their adrenalin.  We have all seen way too many incidents where officers

run off half-cocked during traffic stops, pursuits, foot chases, etc.  They need

a psychology class as well to teach them that in certain instances, yelling will

get them no where.  In my opinion the paramedic did right by jumping off the rig

and trying to talk to the trooper, problem is the trooper was already fired up. 

I think the paramedic should have turned around and let himself be arrested as

many of us know that resisting arrest will never get us anywhere except make

matters worst.  The driver should have right away been calling for a supervisor

to make it to the scene as well as the troopers.  Both supervisors should have

made it to the scene and handled the situation before it escalated.  The trooper

should have requested one immediately as this is an unusual situation.  And why

were the troopers so quick to be on the phone with the DA at the ER?  Wow, that

is very far fetched.  Just my .02 worth.

Salvador Capuchino Jr   

EMT-Paramedic

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for

5-10 secon...

It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the ambulance

could

safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the trooper

to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

at the " emergency " .

This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

handled by all concerned.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Abandonment is leaving your patient without assuring continuity of care.

If your patient is stable, in no immediate need of monitoring or

intervention, there's nothing wrong with, say, stepping out of the rig

to spot while your partner backs up.

Or for that matter, defending your partner against a state trooper drunk

with his own authority and anger management issues.

Not to say that the medic did a good job of defusing the situation,

however. But the act of stepping out of his rig does not necessarily

constitute abandonment.

Trousdale wrote:

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ________________________________

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Abandonment is leaving your patient without assuring continuity of care.

If your patient is stable, in no immediate need of monitoring or

intervention, there's nothing wrong with, say, stepping out of the rig

to spot while your partner backs up.

Or for that matter, defending your partner against a state trooper drunk

with his own authority and anger management issues.

Not to say that the medic did a good job of defusing the situation,

however. But the act of stepping out of his rig does not necessarily

constitute abandonment.

Trousdale wrote:

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ________________________________

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Abandonment is leaving your patient without assuring continuity of care.

If your patient is stable, in no immediate need of monitoring or

intervention, there's nothing wrong with, say, stepping out of the rig

to spot while your partner backs up.

Or for that matter, defending your partner against a state trooper drunk

with his own authority and anger management issues.

Not to say that the medic did a good job of defusing the situation,

however. But the act of stepping out of his rig does not necessarily

constitute abandonment.

Trousdale wrote:

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ________________________________

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, June 13, 2009 20:11, " Grayson " Grayson902@...> said:

> Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

> unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

> myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Agreed. When they get to the hospital, there's not going to be a nurse or

physician continuously sitting at the patient's side. They go to the nurses

station, to other patients' rooms, to x-ray, etc... Yet you don't see nurses

and physicians being charged with abandonment.

Now, had he been performing CPR and stepped out, that would be a very different

case, and clearly abandonment. But your mere presence does not necessarily

constitute care. And you have to abandon care and/or transportation to commit

abandonment. If all he was doing was sitting with the patient, then only

transportation was abandoned, and that was the doing of the trooper, not the

medic.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, June 13, 2009 20:11, " Grayson " Grayson902@...> said:

> Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

> unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

> myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Agreed. When they get to the hospital, there's not going to be a nurse or

physician continuously sitting at the patient's side. They go to the nurses

station, to other patients' rooms, to x-ray, etc... Yet you don't see nurses

and physicians being charged with abandonment.

Now, had he been performing CPR and stepped out, that would be a very different

case, and clearly abandonment. But your mere presence does not necessarily

constitute care. And you have to abandon care and/or transportation to commit

abandonment. If all he was doing was sitting with the patient, then only

transportation was abandoned, and that was the doing of the trooper, not the

medic.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, June 13, 2009 20:11, " Grayson " Grayson902@...> said:

> Stepping out of the back of the vehicle and leaving the patient

> unattended does *not*, in and of itself, constitute abandonment. Popular

> myth in EMS, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Agreed. When they get to the hospital, there's not going to be a nurse or

physician continuously sitting at the patient's side. They go to the nurses

station, to other patients' rooms, to x-ray, etc... Yet you don't see nurses

and physicians being charged with abandonment.

Now, had he been performing CPR and stepped out, that would be a very different

case, and clearly abandonment. But your mere presence does not necessarily

constitute care. And you have to abandon care and/or transportation to commit

abandonment. If all he was doing was sitting with the patient, then only

transportation was abandoned, and that was the doing of the trooper, not the

medic.

Rob

[Guest guest]

You're so much more diplomatic than I.......

Hatfield

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're so much more diplomatic than I.......

Hatfield

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're so much more diplomatic than I.......

Hatfield

>

>

> It is my opinion from what I have seen of the video that the police

> officer had the wrnog attitude immediately upon exiting his vehicle

> behind the ambulance. However, is it just me, or does anyone else

> thing that thet paramedic should not have exited the rear of the

> ambulance, keaving his patient unattended. I believe that I was taught

> in my EM-B class that that action would fall under patient

> abandonment. This entire episode was handled incorrectly by all

> parties involved. Just my 2 cents worth.

>

> Trousdale

> EMT-B

> Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows

> what's going on?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: " N5XNU@... " N5XNU@...

> >

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:02:39 AM

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

> states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

> believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the

> ambulance could

> safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

> The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the

> trooper

> to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

> at the " emergency " .

>

> This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

> handled by all concerned.

>

> Kirk

> EMT-B

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

> spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

>

> http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Salvador,

If TCLEOSE or anyone else comes up with a class about harnessing adrenalin, I

would hope that it is required for FD and EMS as well.?

Be very careful pointing that finger on a topic such as this...I have been on my

fair share of incidents with no LEO on scene where inappropriate things were

done all in the name of " saving lives " when in reality it was truly just someone

having a bad day and not controlling their heart rate, emotions and demeanor.

I love your idea...I just don't think it only applies to cops.

Dudley

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for 5-10

secon...

In my honest opinion, and some of you that are peace officers can correct me if

I am wrong here, TCLEOSE needs to implement a class that will teach officers to

harness their adrenalin.? We have all seen way too many incidents where officers

run off half-cocked during traffic stops, pursuits, foot chases, etc.? They need

a psychology class as well to teach them that in certain instances, yelling will

get them no where.? In my opinion the paramedic did right by jumping off the rig

and trying to talk to the trooper, problem is the trooper was already fired up.?

I think the paramedic should have turned around and let himself be arrested as

many of us know that resisting arrest will never get us anywhere except make

matters worst.? The driver should have right away been calling for a supervisor

to make it to the scene as well as the troopers.? Both supervisors should have

made it to the scene and handled the situation before it escalated.? The trooper

should have requested one immediately as this is an unusual situation.? And why

were the troopers so quick to be on the phone with the DA at the ER?? Wow, that

is very far fetched.? Just my .02 worth.

Salvador Capuchino Jr???

EMT-Paramedic

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for

5-10 secon...

It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the ambulance

could

safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the trooper

to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

at the " emergency " .

This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

handled by all concerned.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

I agree Dudley, you're right, BUT, I have mostly seen it with cops

unfortunately...just the other day it took 8 officers to subdue a 15 yo girl

that just wanted to kiss and hug her mom.  The way they jumped on her you'd

think it was a 250lb guy.  And no she was not on any drugs.  How many videos

have we seen where they are on a pursuit or foot chase and the guy drops to the

ground to surrender and you see about 10 officers jump on him like he was waving

a gun.  It's called overkill.  But then again, sometimes you never know.  Just

one of those scenarios we can what if until the end of time.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for

5-10 secon...

It appeared to me that the delay was miniscule at best. I believe most

states require you to pull to the right as soon as SAFELY possible. I

believe the trooper's speed had him on the ambulance before the ambulance

could

safely pull over as evidenced by the car parked on the side of the road.

The ambulance then pulled to the right shortly after and allowed the trooper

to continue on. Then it appears that the trooper never exited his vehicle

at the " emergency " .

This looks like a " contempt of cop " thing that could have been better

handled by all concerned.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 6/13/2009 10:54:12 Central Daylight Time,

spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

http://www.kwtv. com/global/ story.asp? s=10526689

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle.  

This will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and

such.  I would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did

not immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal

discussion at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic.  Why did

the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where

a conversation could take place?  If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

 Bad judgement on all parties.  NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle.  

This will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and

such.  I would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did

not immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal

discussion at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic.  Why did

the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where

a conversation could take place?  If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

 Bad judgement on all parties.  NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle.  

This will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and

such.  I would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did

not immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal

discussion at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic.  Why did

the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where

a conversation could take place?  If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

 Bad judgement on all parties.  NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

Nobody arrested, driver received a warning for failure to yield. Trooper has a

Lawyer and held a press conference on Monday (see Tulsa paper article).

Paramedic was on National news this morning. I don't think this issue is going

away anytime soon!

B.

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for

5-10 secon...

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle.

This will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and

such. I would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did

not immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal

discussion at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic. Why did

the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where

a conversation could take place? If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

Bad judgement on all parties. NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

Nobody arrested, driver received a warning for failure to yield. Trooper has a

Lawyer and held a press conference on Monday (see Tulsa paper article).

Paramedic was on National news this morning. I don't think this issue is going

away anytime soon!

B.

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for

5-10 secon...

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle.

This will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and

such. I would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did

not immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal

discussion at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic. Why did

the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where

a conversation could take place? If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

Bad judgement on all parties. NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

This whole thing is just a bunch of hot-heads who let things get out of

control....people like watching that kind of thing on TV over-and-over, in

slow-mo, and stop-action.

-MH

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From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

[emsdir@...]

Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:53 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for 5-10

secon...

Nobody arrested, driver received a warning for failure to yield. Trooper has a

Lawyer and held a press conference on Monday (see Tulsa paper article).

Paramedic was on National news this morning. I don't think this issue is going

away anytime soon!

B.

Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them over for 5-10

secon...

So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the video. I am

curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say on the issue of one

emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to another emergency vehicle. This

will undoubtably have to resolve some issues about medical transport and such. I

would say that an assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did not

immediately place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal discussion

at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic. Why did the driver

pull over where he did and not take the patient to the hospital where a

conversation could take place? If the trooper were going to only verbally

chastise the driver of the ambulance why did it stop on the side of the road so

that an incident could take place?

Bad judgement on all parties. NO good outcome that I can see.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

[Guest guest]

The whole thing is only proof that if you act like an idiot while near

a camera while on duty or in a public capciyy you will be on the news

and you will look like an idiot andmoreover it will likely haunt you

for life.

Haig still gets asked why he took over the US government

when President Reagan. He states " I'm in charge " to a question asking

who was running things at the White House. Vice President Bush (Bush

41) was out if DC but in communication and on his way back. Secretary

of State Haig a retired General was the ranking Cabniet Member on the

grounds he WAS in charge by default of that fact. Not of the United

States but of the White House. The media after the event made it

appear that be had circumvented the US Constitution by taking over the

Country. One line a lifetime of BS from the media. Oh and Haig is a

great American not an idiot.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jun 16, 2009, at 15:48, Hudson mhudson@...>

wrote:

> This whole thing is just a bunch of hot-heads who let things get out

> of control....people like watching that kind of thing on TV over-and-

> over, in slow-mo, and stop-action.

>

> -MH

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On

> Behalf Of [emsdir@...]

> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:53 PM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

>

>

>

> Nobody arrested, driver received a warning for failure to yield.

> Trooper has a Lawyer and held a press conference on Monday (see

> Tulsa paper article). Paramedic was on National news this morning. I

> don't think this issue is going away anytime soon!

>

> B.

> Re: OK Trooper Dash Cam Released Pulled them

> over for 5-10 secon...

>

> So, did the paramedic get arrested? I was not clear looking at the

> video. I am curious as to what vehicle laws in Oklahoma have to say

> on the issue of one emergeny vehicle failing to give right of way to

> another emergency vehicle. This will undoubtably have to resolve

> some issues about medical transport and such. I would say that an

> assault did occur on the Paramedic. The trooper did not immediately

> place the Paramedic under arrest. The was only a verbal discussion

> at the time the trooper first laid hands on the Paramedic. Why did

> the driver pull over where he did and not take the patient to the

> hospital where a conversation could take place? If the trooper were

> going to only verbally chastise the driver of the ambulance why did

> it stop on the side of the road so that an incident could take place?

> Bad judgement on all parties. NO good outcome that I can see.

>

> Danny L.

> Owner/NREMT-P

> PETSAR INC.

> (Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately this was a bad situation for all parties involved. From

experience, seeing the video i saw that both parties were at fault. first

the officer should have been more professional and using better judgement in

his manner of reaction. Second the paramedic shouldn't have left the patient

because the driver could have just spoken with the officer exchange

information and continued their journey to the hospital and then later find

out what was the problem at the hospital. Everyone needs to remember that we

are taught to never raise our voices to someone who is already agitated

becuase it just makes things worse, we need to calmly and professionally

talk to someone in a normal tone so that other person can lower his voice to

be able to hear the other person in theory.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately this was a bad situation for all parties involved. From

experience, seeing the video i saw that both parties were at fault. first

the officer should have been more professional and using better judgement in

his manner of reaction. Second the paramedic shouldn't have left the patient

because the driver could have just spoken with the officer exchange

information and continued their journey to the hospital and then later find

out what was the problem at the hospital. Everyone needs to remember that we

are taught to never raise our voices to someone who is already agitated

becuase it just makes things worse, we need to calmly and professionally

talk to someone in a normal tone so that other person can lower his voice to

be able to hear the other person in theory.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately this was a bad situation for all parties involved. From

experience, seeing the video i saw that both parties were at fault. first

the officer should have been more professional and using better judgement in

his manner of reaction. Second the paramedic shouldn't have left the patient

because the driver could have just spoken with the officer exchange

information and continued their journey to the hospital and then later find

out what was the problem at the hospital. Everyone needs to remember that we

are taught to never raise our voices to someone who is already agitated

becuase it just makes things worse, we need to calmly and professionally

talk to someone in a normal tone so that other person can lower his voice to

be able to hear the other person in theory.

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14, " Ruiz " ruizjorgetexas@...> said:

> Everyone needs to remember that we

> are taught to never raise our voices to someone who is already agitated

> becuase it just makes things worse, we need to calmly and professionally

> talk to someone in a normal tone so that other person can lower his voice to

> be able to hear the other person in theory.

Did you watch the same video as the rest of us? I never heard the paramedic

raise his voice until long after he was physically assaulted. U The encounter

had already escalated to unilateral violence before the medic raised his voice

while being assaulted. It is a little unrealistic to not expect the voice to

raise at that point. And even then he quickly toned it back down.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14, " Ruiz " ruizjorgetexas@...> said:

> Everyone needs to remember that we

> are taught to never raise our voices to someone who is already agitated

> becuase it just makes things worse, we need to calmly and professionally

> talk to someone in a normal tone so that other person can lower his voice to

> be able to hear the other person in theory.

Did you watch the same video as the rest of us? I never heard the paramedic

raise his voice until long after he was physically assaulted. U The encounter

had already escalated to unilateral violence before the medic raised his voice

while being assaulted. It is a little unrealistic to not expect the voice to

raise at that point. And even then he quickly toned it back down.

Rob