Re: Silly me -- thought I was feeling better

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie - Everything you wrote are thoughts that have been going thru

my head a lot the last few days. It's good to hear it from someone else!

When I felt good a month ago, I figured that it was coming from the

lingering T4 in my system giving me a higher overall dose. I

anticipated that there would be a few hypo symptoms returning before I

could raise my armour enough. (Knowing it and feeling it are 2

different things tho!!)

I also think that I will end up higher than the 3 grains (I am hypo

due to RAI so will need a full replacement dose.) When I recently

raised to 3, I had only been at 2 3/4 for about 10 days and I was

starting to really the feel the hypo symptoms, so went ahead and

bumped to 3. So I think I'd probably be pushing it to go up again to

3 1/4 so soon. I guess I'd probably better stay here longer to let

the T4 catch up.

Back in April I did a saliva test and it showed my cortisol to be high

and my DHEA to be low. The dr I was seeing at the time had me take a

chinese herbal to balance my system. When I retested in July, my

cortisol had dropped to the bottom of the range.

That's when I started the nutri-med adrenals and I could feel that

they helped. I had been having hot flashes/not sleeping good/fast

heartrate and weakness in the morning and these got much better.

Now, these symptoms are the ones that I just felt again. So I'm not

really sure what to blame them on. Plus the flu threw a wrench into

everything. It was just feeling quesey for over a week, but I'm sure

it didn't help matters any. I sure didn't feel any results from the

increase in T3 and my temps dropped even lower than before.

So, I guess I should just stay put where I'm at with everything and

let things even out some before I make any more changes. I'll see how

tonight goes.

Thanks so much, Janie. (I haven't checked any of my female hormones

-- I'm 38 so thought I had time, but with everything else being messed

up for so long, it's only natural that they would be off too! How did

you check yours -- by blood test or saliva? Is one more accurate than

the other?)

Debbie

>

> Hi Debbie. Sorry about your setback!! But do know that you are

> NORMAL!! I, too, had them, when I was first working to find my

> optimal dose of Armour, as do many others.

>

> I would suspect that when you were phasing out the T4, and adding in

> the Armour, you were ending up underdosing yourself on the Armour

> alone, so your hypo has been returning bit by bit.

>

> Additionally, being on the 3 grains for only 10 days is also not

> enough time for you to see the effect of the added T4 in the Armour

> (Armour is 80% T4). It can take at least 4-5 weeks for the T4 to

> build to it's optimal amount, and for you to feel it's conversion

> benefits.

>

> And....I also suspect that the 3 grains won't be your optimal dose

> either. Compare it to this: I used to be on .125 T4-only (with NO

> additional Armour), and am now on an optimal dose of only 3 to 3 1/4

> grains Armour. You may, in fact, still need much more Armour.

>

> The adrenal support you are on---did you have definite low-

> functioning adrenal symptoms, or did you do the 24 hour ZRT adrenal

> test to verify it?

>

> And yes, if you increased your Armour to 3 grains just 10 days ago,

> AND started getting the flu, it can mess you up! Especially in the

> temps! If you had not have gotten that flu, you might have seen some

> results from that 3 grains and it's T3!! (

>

> I guess if I was in your shoes, I'd either give the 3 grains a bit

> more time, or go ahead and rise to 3 1/4 grains or so......but I'd

> definitely hold that for several weeks---both to give the flu time

> to fully leave my body, and to give the T4 time to build and see

> it's results. But that's me, and you trust your gut about what to

> do for yourself.

>

> Janie

>

> p.s. Forgot to mention--sounds like your estrogen is getting low,

> and it may be quite wise to get your female hormones balanced. I've

> had both ends of the spectrum over the year---I've had three hot

> flashes, yet now, I have HIGH estrogen and ROCK BOTTOM progesterone--

> the latter is being treated with progesterone cream.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie - Everything you wrote are thoughts that have been going thru

my head a lot the last few days. It's good to hear it from someone else!

When I felt good a month ago, I figured that it was coming from the

lingering T4 in my system giving me a higher overall dose. I

anticipated that there would be a few hypo symptoms returning before I

could raise my armour enough. (Knowing it and feeling it are 2

different things tho!!)

I also think that I will end up higher than the 3 grains (I am hypo

due to RAI so will need a full replacement dose.) When I recently

raised to 3, I had only been at 2 3/4 for about 10 days and I was

starting to really the feel the hypo symptoms, so went ahead and

bumped to 3. So I think I'd probably be pushing it to go up again to

3 1/4 so soon. I guess I'd probably better stay here longer to let

the T4 catch up.

Back in April I did a saliva test and it showed my cortisol to be high

and my DHEA to be low. The dr I was seeing at the time had me take a

chinese herbal to balance my system. When I retested in July, my

cortisol had dropped to the bottom of the range.

That's when I started the nutri-med adrenals and I could feel that

they helped. I had been having hot flashes/not sleeping good/fast

heartrate and weakness in the morning and these got much better.

Now, these symptoms are the ones that I just felt again. So I'm not

really sure what to blame them on. Plus the flu threw a wrench into

everything. It was just feeling quesey for over a week, but I'm sure

it didn't help matters any. I sure didn't feel any results from the

increase in T3 and my temps dropped even lower than before.

So, I guess I should just stay put where I'm at with everything and

let things even out some before I make any more changes. I'll see how

tonight goes.

Thanks so much, Janie. (I haven't checked any of my female hormones

-- I'm 38 so thought I had time, but with everything else being messed

up for so long, it's only natural that they would be off too! How did

you check yours -- by blood test or saliva? Is one more accurate than

the other?)

Debbie

>

> Hi Debbie. Sorry about your setback!! But do know that you are

> NORMAL!! I, too, had them, when I was first working to find my

> optimal dose of Armour, as do many others.

>

> I would suspect that when you were phasing out the T4, and adding in

> the Armour, you were ending up underdosing yourself on the Armour

> alone, so your hypo has been returning bit by bit.

>

> Additionally, being on the 3 grains for only 10 days is also not

> enough time for you to see the effect of the added T4 in the Armour

> (Armour is 80% T4). It can take at least 4-5 weeks for the T4 to

> build to it's optimal amount, and for you to feel it's conversion

> benefits.

>

> And....I also suspect that the 3 grains won't be your optimal dose

> either. Compare it to this: I used to be on .125 T4-only (with NO

> additional Armour), and am now on an optimal dose of only 3 to 3 1/4

> grains Armour. You may, in fact, still need much more Armour.

>

> The adrenal support you are on---did you have definite low-

> functioning adrenal symptoms, or did you do the 24 hour ZRT adrenal

> test to verify it?

>

> And yes, if you increased your Armour to 3 grains just 10 days ago,

> AND started getting the flu, it can mess you up! Especially in the

> temps! If you had not have gotten that flu, you might have seen some

> results from that 3 grains and it's T3!! (

>

> I guess if I was in your shoes, I'd either give the 3 grains a bit

> more time, or go ahead and rise to 3 1/4 grains or so......but I'd

> definitely hold that for several weeks---both to give the flu time

> to fully leave my body, and to give the T4 time to build and see

> it's results. But that's me, and you trust your gut about what to

> do for yourself.

>

> Janie

>

> p.s. Forgot to mention--sounds like your estrogen is getting low,

> and it may be quite wise to get your female hormones balanced. I've

> had both ends of the spectrum over the year---I've had three hot

> flashes, yet now, I have HIGH estrogen and ROCK BOTTOM progesterone--

> the latter is being treated with progesterone cream.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie - Everything you wrote are thoughts that have been going thru

my head a lot the last few days. It's good to hear it from someone else!

When I felt good a month ago, I figured that it was coming from the

lingering T4 in my system giving me a higher overall dose. I

anticipated that there would be a few hypo symptoms returning before I

could raise my armour enough. (Knowing it and feeling it are 2

different things tho!!)

I also think that I will end up higher than the 3 grains (I am hypo

due to RAI so will need a full replacement dose.) When I recently

raised to 3, I had only been at 2 3/4 for about 10 days and I was

starting to really the feel the hypo symptoms, so went ahead and

bumped to 3. So I think I'd probably be pushing it to go up again to

3 1/4 so soon. I guess I'd probably better stay here longer to let

the T4 catch up.

Back in April I did a saliva test and it showed my cortisol to be high

and my DHEA to be low. The dr I was seeing at the time had me take a

chinese herbal to balance my system. When I retested in July, my

cortisol had dropped to the bottom of the range.

That's when I started the nutri-med adrenals and I could feel that

they helped. I had been having hot flashes/not sleeping good/fast

heartrate and weakness in the morning and these got much better.

Now, these symptoms are the ones that I just felt again. So I'm not

really sure what to blame them on. Plus the flu threw a wrench into

everything. It was just feeling quesey for over a week, but I'm sure

it didn't help matters any. I sure didn't feel any results from the

increase in T3 and my temps dropped even lower than before.

So, I guess I should just stay put where I'm at with everything and

let things even out some before I make any more changes. I'll see how

tonight goes.

Thanks so much, Janie. (I haven't checked any of my female hormones

-- I'm 38 so thought I had time, but with everything else being messed

up for so long, it's only natural that they would be off too! How did

you check yours -- by blood test or saliva? Is one more accurate than

the other?)

Debbie

>

> Hi Debbie. Sorry about your setback!! But do know that you are

> NORMAL!! I, too, had them, when I was first working to find my

> optimal dose of Armour, as do many others.

>

> I would suspect that when you were phasing out the T4, and adding in

> the Armour, you were ending up underdosing yourself on the Armour

> alone, so your hypo has been returning bit by bit.

>

> Additionally, being on the 3 grains for only 10 days is also not

> enough time for you to see the effect of the added T4 in the Armour

> (Armour is 80% T4). It can take at least 4-5 weeks for the T4 to

> build to it's optimal amount, and for you to feel it's conversion

> benefits.

>

> And....I also suspect that the 3 grains won't be your optimal dose

> either. Compare it to this: I used to be on .125 T4-only (with NO

> additional Armour), and am now on an optimal dose of only 3 to 3 1/4

> grains Armour. You may, in fact, still need much more Armour.

>

> The adrenal support you are on---did you have definite low-

> functioning adrenal symptoms, or did you do the 24 hour ZRT adrenal

> test to verify it?

>

> And yes, if you increased your Armour to 3 grains just 10 days ago,

> AND started getting the flu, it can mess you up! Especially in the

> temps! If you had not have gotten that flu, you might have seen some

> results from that 3 grains and it's T3!! (

>

> I guess if I was in your shoes, I'd either give the 3 grains a bit

> more time, or go ahead and rise to 3 1/4 grains or so......but I'd

> definitely hold that for several weeks---both to give the flu time

> to fully leave my body, and to give the T4 time to build and see

> it's results. But that's me, and you trust your gut about what to

> do for yourself.

>

> Janie

>

> p.s. Forgot to mention--sounds like your estrogen is getting low,

> and it may be quite wise to get your female hormones balanced. I've

> had both ends of the spectrum over the year---I've had three hot

> flashes, yet now, I have HIGH estrogen and ROCK BOTTOM progesterone--

> the latter is being treated with progesterone cream.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie. I was struck by your first sentence which mentions how

you had been thinking the same things I had stated to you. Lately, I

have been dumbfounded how MANY times my thoughts about my health

ended up being correct. It's uncanny. That phrase " trust your gut "

REALLY has meaning!

Concerning your mention of your April high cortisol/low DHEA results

and then the July results---I am noticing that my hormonal imbalance

is causing havoc everywhere in my system right now...and maybe, even

at 38, your are starting your changes?? Granted, my age is more than

a decade older than yours, but my genes have always put me at a

younger level than my age. I am peri--and I have been shocked at

what is happening to me. I'll have estrogen low enough to cause hot

flashes, and then a few months later (now), my estrogen is high and

my progesterone is ROCK BOTTOM......and I feel like major crap. The

low progesterone appears to be causing an overreaction in my

adrenals.

So....it might be worth your time to get your female hormones

checked, and do remember at what point your were in your cycle when

you do the labs. Some folks feel saliva is the best way to go, yet

my NP feels that bloodwork is just as informative. So, I did the

bloodwork since I respect her so much.

Janie

> Hi Janie - Everything you wrote are thoughts that have been going

thru

> my head a lot the last few days. It's good to hear it from

someone else!

>

> When I felt good a month ago, I figured that it was coming from the

> lingering T4 in my system giving me a higher overall dose. I

> anticipated that there would be a few hypo symptoms returning

before I

> could raise my armour enough. (Knowing it and feeling it are 2

> different things tho!!)

>

> I also think that I will end up higher than the 3 grains (I am hypo

> due to RAI so will need a full replacement dose.) When I recently

> raised to 3, I had only been at 2 3/4 for about 10 days and I was

> starting to really the feel the hypo symptoms, so went ahead and

> bumped to 3. So I think I'd probably be pushing it to go up again

to

> 3 1/4 so soon. I guess I'd probably better stay here longer to let

> the T4 catch up.

>

> Back in April I did a saliva test and it showed my cortisol to be

high

> and my DHEA to be low. The dr I was seeing at the time had me

take a

> chinese herbal to balance my system. When I retested in July, my

> cortisol had dropped to the bottom of the range.

>

> That's when I started the nutri-med adrenals and I could feel that

> they helped. I had been having hot flashes/not sleeping good/fast

> heartrate and weakness in the morning and these got much better.

>

> Now, these symptoms are the ones that I just felt again. So I'm

not

> really sure what to blame them on. Plus the flu threw a wrench

into

> everything. It was just feeling quesey for over a week, but I'm

sure

> it didn't help matters any. I sure didn't feel any results from

the

> increase in T3 and my temps dropped even lower than before.

>

> So, I guess I should just stay put where I'm at with everything and

> let things even out some before I make any more changes. I'll see

how

> tonight goes.

>

> Thanks so much, Janie. (I haven't checked any of my female

hormones

> -- I'm 38 so thought I had time, but with everything else being

messed

> up for so long, it's only natural that they would be off too! How

did

> you check yours -- by blood test or saliva? Is one more accurate

than

> the other?)

>

> Debbie