Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's Estate

[Guest guest]

There are no AUTOMATIC death benigits. Every PSODB paid by the US DOJ

goes through a painstaken process to be qualified as a LODD and in

many cases EMS do indeed qualify for the PSODB.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

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LNMolino@...

> Does EMS have a death benefit and education fund for line of service

> deaths? I don't think so unless with a fire department. The family

> deserves something for the loss. Our family's suffer as it is from

> us choosing low paying long hour careers, why should they suffer

> more financially when they lose us as well. If you can't be paid

> enough while alive at least pay the family's decently for their

> loss. While it sounds bad perhaps to make a suit against the

> company's insurance they had to sue everyone, and we all see in the

> news that you ask for all the money in the world just to be able to

> settle for enough to cover expenses.

>

> Maybe if we had some sort of automatic decent death benefit plus

> education funds for kids these type of lawsuits would not happen.

>

>

>>

>> On Thursday, April 30, 2009 23:02, wegandy1938@... said:

>>

>>> I have no idea whether or not the suing spouse had any connection

>>> to EMS or

>>> HEMS, but when the funerals are done, people start to analyze what

>>> happened, and they quite often become angry and seek recompense

>>> for damages, such

>>> as

>>> the loss of a spouse's companionship, loss of income, loss of

>>> benefits, and

>>> a bunch of other potential damages.

>>

>> I don't guess the hearse-chasing lawyers who contact these

>> families, and encourage them to pursue legal remedy, have anything

>> to do with this phenomenon. They all just think it up on their own

>> with no outside influence, right?

>>

>> Rob

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is not only unethical but illegal for a lawyer to solicit a client. In

the past lawyers who have done this have been disbarred. I can't say that

it doesn't happen, but the Texas Bar is very strict about that.

GG

>

>

>

> On Thursday, April 30, 2009 23:02, wegandy1938@wegandy said:

>

> > I have no idea whether or not the suing spouse had any connection to EMS

> or

> > HEMS, but when the funerals are done, people start to analyze what

> > happened, and they quite often become angry and seek recompense for

> damages, such

> > as

> > the loss of a spouse's companionship, loss of income, loss of benefits,

> and

> > a bunch of other potential damages.

>

> I don't guess the hearse-chasing lawyers who contact these families, and

> encourage them to pursue legal remedy, have anything to do with this

> phenomenon. They all just think it up on their own with no outside influence,

> right?

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

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It is not only unethical but illegal for a lawyer to solicit a client. In

the past lawyers who have done this have been disbarred. I can't say that

it doesn't happen, but the Texas Bar is very strict about that.

GG

>

>

>

> On Thursday, April 30, 2009 23:02, wegandy1938@wegandy said:

>

> > I have no idea whether or not the suing spouse had any connection to EMS

> or

> > HEMS, but when the funerals are done, people start to analyze what

> > happened, and they quite often become angry and seek recompense for

> damages, such

> > as

> > the loss of a spouse's companionship, loss of income, loss of benefits,

> and

> > a bunch of other potential damages.

>

> I don't guess the hearse-chasing lawyers who contact these families, and

> encourage them to pursue legal remedy, have anything to do with this

> phenomenon. They all just think it up on their own with no outside influence,

> right?

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

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My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

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(IFW/FSS Office)/

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In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/FSS Office)/

(IFWF/SS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/FSS Office)/

(IFWF/SS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

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In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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Are you kidding me? Give him the day in court he is due? To sue the family of a

pilot that was doing their job, just as all the other crew members were? Maybe

he should sue the nurse as well then? What do you think? This guy is crazy...Ok

maybe sue the company for authorizing the trip, maybe? I don't know where you

are a paramedic at but we all take inadvertent risk in this job. So from your

perspective each time this happens it will open all doors for a law suit. Each

time I drive an ambulance or fire truck I put myself at risk. I also do this in

extreem weather conditions. So if you are are driving the ambulance to a call in

the middle of a horrible storm and you crash your ambulance. Both medics die in

this crash. Since you were the driver, you knew the condition were bad, the

family of your partner should sue your estate? We all know their are risk in

this job, each person who does this job knows that. Each person is willing to

take those risk regularly. Ok so we are speaking helicopter vs ambulance driving

here. But to be honest to go to court over this? Maybe they should sue the

family of the patient as well since they may have known the weather conditions

were bad, but were willing to take the risk to try and save their family members

life. How predictable really was the weather. I mean the crew did come from

College Station to Huntsville for the transport. Maybe the weather became

increasingly worse while they were there. Your right we don't know all the

answers, but do dig up this horrible event. To put the family of a lost loved

one thru this. That is pure shameful, it's a discrace that anyone so money

hungry could do this. Guess he's just trying to look at retirement the easy way.

Maybe you could go sit on his discraceful side in court. It's a shame to drag a

family thru this and to cause them more grief, and to try to take away what they

may have. Sick, pure sick.

>

>

> If PHI chose to fly in weather that was clearly dangerous then they are and

should be liable for paying this man something for his loss. I am sorry but

flight paramedics knowing the risk and taking that risk doesn't aleviate that

liablitly from PHI and the Pilot if they both chose to fly when there where

definate criteria for grounding the aircraft. The only things some companies

listen to is the bottom line. So maybe things will change if flying stupid costs

their bottom line alot. This case has merit and should be decided in a court of

law based on the facts most of which I doubt we are privy to at this time. Its

not our place to tell him to shut up and take it when someone elses actions led

to the loss of his wife. Let the man have the day in court he is due.

>

>

>

> W. Vondran EMT-P

>

>

>

> To: texasems-l

> From: haussecker87@...

> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:52:51 -0500

> Subject: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> RH

> http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/44087637.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

If any one is working with an Attorneythe single best piece of advice

I have for then is find and hire the best then let them do thier job.

Period.

ly the courtroom is the last place you allow emotions to rule.

It's not a place you go to play for anything but keeps.

Sadly our systems flawed and perhaps broken but it's what we got.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Are you kidding me? Give him the day in court he is due? To sue the

> family of a pilot that was doing their job, just as all the other

> crew members were? Maybe he should sue the nurse as well then? What

> do you think? This guy is crazy...Ok maybe sue the company for

> authorizing the trip, maybe? I don't know where you are a paramedic

> at but we all take inadvertent risk in this job. So from your

> perspective each time this happens it will open all doors for a law

> suit. Each time I drive an ambulance or fire truck I put myself at

> risk. I also do this in extreem weather conditions. So if you are

> are driving the ambulance to a call in the middle of a horrible

> storm and you crash your ambulance. Both medics die in this crash.

> Since you were the driver, you knew the condition were bad, the

> family of your partner should sue your estate? We all know their are

> risk in this job, each person who does this job knows that. Each

> person is willing to take those risk regularly. Ok so we are

> speaking helicopter vs ambulance driving here. But to be honest to

> go to court over this? Maybe they should sue the family of the

> patient as well since they may have known the weather conditions

> were bad, but were willing to take the risk to try and save their

> family members life. How predictable really was the weather. I mean

> the crew did come from College Station to Huntsville for the

> transport. Maybe the weather became increasingly worse while they

> were there. Your right we don't know all the answers, but do dig up

> this horrible event. To put the family of a lost loved one thru

> this. That is pure shameful, it's a discrace that anyone so money

> hungry could do this. Guess he's just trying to look at retirement

> the easy way. Maybe you could go sit on his discraceful side in

> court. It's a shame to drag a family thru this and to cause them

> more grief, and to try to take away what they may have. Sick, pure

> sick.

>

>

>>

>>

>> If PHI chose to fly in weather that was clearly dangerous then they

>> are and should be liable for paying this man something for his

>> loss. I am sorry but flight paramedics knowing the risk and taking

>> that risk doesn't aleviate that liablitly from PHI and the Pilot if

>> they both chose to fly when there where definate criteria for

>> grounding the aircraft. The only things some companies listen to

>> is the bottom line. So maybe things will change if flying stupid

>> costs their bottom line alot. This case has merit and should be

>> decided in a court of law based on the facts most of which I doubt

>> we are privy to at this time. Its not our place to tell him to

>> shut up and take it when someone elses actions led to the loss of

>> his wife. Let the man have the day in court he is due.

>>

>>

>>

>> W. Vondran EMT-P

>>

>>

>>

>> To: texasems-l

>> From: haussecker87@...

>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:52:51 -0500

>> Subject: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company,

>> Pilot's Estate

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> RH

>> http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/44087637.html

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

This is going to get VERY NASTY before it's over. It may very well set in motion

a precedent NONE of us want! In my own opinion, and from a lawyer who has been

following the posts, this appears to be " LAWYER DRIVEN. " I'm glad not all

Attorneys fit in that category, if you knnow what I mean.

 

________________________________

To: texasems-l

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 9:54:30 PM

Subject: Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

Are you kidding me? Give him the day in court he is due? To sue the family of a

pilot that was doing their job, just as all the other crew members were? Maybe

he should sue the nurse as well then? What do you think? This guy is crazy...Ok

maybe sue the company for authorizing the trip, maybe? I don't know where you

are a paramedic at but we all take inadvertent risk in this job. So from your

perspective each time this happens it will open all doors for a law suit. Each

time I drive an ambulance or fire truck I put myself at risk. I also do this in

extreem weather conditions. So if you are are driving the ambulance to a call in

the middle of a horrible storm and you crash your ambulance. Both medics die in

this crash. Since you were the driver, you knew the condition were bad, the

family of your partner should sue your estate? We all know their are risk in

this job, each person who does this job knows that. Each person is willing to

take those risk

regularly. Ok so we are speaking helicopter vs ambulance driving here. But to

be honest to go to court over this? Maybe they should sue the family of the

patient as well since they may have known the weather conditions were bad, but

were willing to take the risk to try and save their family members life. How

predictable really was the weather. I mean the crew did come from College

Station to Huntsville for the transport. Maybe the weather became increasingly

worse while they were there. Your right we don't know all the answers, but do

dig up this horrible event. To put the family of a lost loved one thru this.

That is pure shameful, it's a discrace that anyone so money hungry could do

this. Guess he's just trying to look at retirement the easy way. Maybe you could

go sit on his discraceful side in court. It's a shame to drag a family thru this

and to cause them more grief, and to try to take away what they may have. Sick,

pure sick.

>

>

> If PHI chose to fly in weather that was clearly dangerous then they are and

should be liable for paying this man something for his loss. I am sorry but

flight paramedics knowing the risk and taking that risk doesn't aleviate that

liablitly from PHI and the Pilot if they both chose to fly when there where

definate criteria for grounding the aircraft. The only things some companies

listen to is the bottom line. So maybe things will change if flying stupid costs

their bottom line alot. This case has merit and should be decided in a court of

law based on the facts most of which I doubt we are privy to at this time. Its

not our place to tell him to shut up and take it when someone elses actions led

to the loss of his wife. Let the man have the day in court he is due.

>

>

>

> W. Vondran EMT-P

>

>

>

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

> From: haussecker87@ ...

> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:52:51 -0500

> Subject: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> RH

> http://www.kbtx. com/home/ headlines/ 44087637. html

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is why a most smart services have hefty liability ins policies, ( i know i

did with our amb service) and as most of you should know with a lawsuit like

this EVERYONE is usually named and the providers ins co will probably settle and

the other suits will be dropped. JUst what I have seen in the past.

> >

> > On Thursday, April 30, 2009 23:02, wegandy1938@ said:

> >

> > > I have no idea whether or not the suing spouse had any connection to EMS

or

> > > HEMS, but when the funerals are done, people start to analyze what

> > > happened, and they quite often become angry and seek recompense for

damages, such

> > > as

> > > the loss of a spouse's companionship, loss of income, loss of benefits,

and

> > > a bunch of other potential damages.

> >

> > I don't guess the hearse-chasing lawyers who contact these families, and

encourage them to pursue legal remedy, have anything to do with this phenomenon.

They all just think it up on their own with no outside influence, right?

> >

> > Rob

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is why a most smart services have hefty liability ins policies, ( i know i

did with our amb service) and as most of you should know with a lawsuit like

this EVERYONE is usually named and the providers ins co will probably settle and

the other suits will be dropped. JUst what I have seen in the past.

> >

> > On Thursday, April 30, 2009 23:02, wegandy1938@ said:

> >

> > > I have no idea whether or not the suing spouse had any connection to EMS

or

> > > HEMS, but when the funerals are done, people start to analyze what

> > > happened, and they quite often become angry and seek recompense for

damages, such

> > > as

> > > the loss of a spouse's companionship, loss of income, loss of benefits,

and

> > > a bunch of other potential damages.

> >

> > I don't guess the hearse-chasing lawyers who contact these families, and

encourage them to pursue legal remedy, have anything to do with this phenomenon.

They all just think it up on their own with no outside influence, right?

> >

> > Rob

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How can you or anyone say it's lawyer driven?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> This is going to get VERY NASTY before it's over. It may very well

> set in motion a precedent NONE of us want! In my own opinion, and

> from a lawyer who has been following the posts, this appears to be

> " LAWYER DRIVEN. " I'm glad not all Attorneys fit in that category, if

> you knnow what I mean.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: texasems-l

> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 9:54:30 PM

> Subject: Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues

> Company, Pilot's Estate

>

>

>

>

>

> Are you kidding me? Give him the day in court he is due? To sue the

> family of a pilot that was doing their job, just as all the other

> crew members were? Maybe he should sue the nurse as well then? What

> do you think? This guy is crazy...Ok maybe sue the company for

> authorizing the trip, maybe? I don't know where you are a paramedic

> at but we all take inadvertent risk in this job. So from your

> perspective each time this happens it will open all doors for a law

> suit. Each time I drive an ambulance or fire truck I put myself at

> risk. I also do this in extreem weather conditions. So if you are

> are driving the ambulance to a call in the middle of a horrible

> storm and you crash your ambulance. Both medics die in this crash.

> Since you were the driver, you knew the condition were bad, the

> family of your partner should sue your estate? We all know their are

> risk in this job, each person who does this job knows that. Each

> person is willing to take those risk

> regularly. Ok so we are speaking helicopter vs ambulance driving

> here. But to be honest to go to court over this? Maybe they should

> sue the family of the patient as well since they may have known the

> weather conditions were bad, but were willing to take the risk to

> try and save their family members life. How predictable really was

> the weather. I mean the crew did come from College Station to

> Huntsville for the transport. Maybe the weather became increasingly

> worse while they were there. Your right we don't know all the

> answers, but do dig up this horrible event. To put the family of a

> lost loved one thru this. That is pure shameful, it's a discrace

> that anyone so money hungry could do this. Guess he's just trying to

> look at retirement the easy way. Maybe you could go sit on his

> discraceful side in court. It's a shame to drag a family thru this

> and to cause them more grief, and to try to take away what they may

> have. Sick, pure sick.

>

>

>>

>>

>> If PHI chose to fly in weather that was clearly dangerous then they

>> are and should be liable for paying this man something for his

>> loss. I am sorry but flight paramedics knowing the risk and taking

>> that risk doesn't aleviate that liablitly from PHI and the Pilot if

>> they both chose to fly when there where definate criteria for

>> grounding the aircraft. The only things some companies listen to is

>> the bottom line. So maybe things will change if flying stupid costs

>> their bottom line alot. This case has merit and should be decided

>> in a court of law based on the facts most of which I doubt we are

>> privy to at this time. Its not our place to tell him to shut up and

>> take it when someone elses actions led to the loss of his wife. Let

>> the man have the day in court he is due.

>>

>>

>>

>> W. Vondran EMT-P

>>

>>

>>

>> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

>> From: haussecker87@ ...

>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:52:51 -0500

>> Subject: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company,

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On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing lawyers.

And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate legal remedy,

which I believe these families are entitled to. The question was asked why

families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a significant

factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to look for a

lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't for that, the

thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing lawyers.

And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate legal remedy,

which I believe these families are entitled to. The question was asked why

families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a significant

factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to look for a

lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't for that, the

thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing lawyers.

And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate legal remedy,

which I believe these families are entitled to. The question was asked why

families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a significant

factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to look for a

lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't for that, the

thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

[Guest guest]

It seems that as personal as some of those on the list are taking this, we are

depriving him of making the issue just as personal. He IS due his day in court.

 

Inadvertant risks are one thing, but if he believes that the risk was blatant,

then he does in fact have the right to file a suit.

 

If I were in his shows, I would probably be doing the same thing, if ANY of us

lost a spouse to what we believe was someone else's fault, how many of us would

just let it go? Not many.

 

While it may be a technicality to you, he is not suing the family, he is suing

the estate of the pilot, and that may be with the advice of the lawyer.

 

I have said this before, and I stand by it, we have to look at the mistakes we

make that cost lives, that's how we learn, that's how we fix things. We have to

be critical of the decisions that we make, and the consequencwes that they

bring. I don't wish any further pain on the family of any of those involved, but

we need to ask the questions, and if the only way to have them answered is

through the legal system, then so be it.

Hatfield

www.michaelhatfield.net

[Guest guest]

It seems that as personal as some of those on the list are taking this, we are

depriving him of making the issue just as personal. He IS due his day in court.

 

Inadvertant risks are one thing, but if he believes that the risk was blatant,

then he does in fact have the right to file a suit.

 

If I were in his shows, I would probably be doing the same thing, if ANY of us

lost a spouse to what we believe was someone else's fault, how many of us would

just let it go? Not many.

 

While it may be a technicality to you, he is not suing the family, he is suing

the estate of the pilot, and that may be with the advice of the lawyer.

 

I have said this before, and I stand by it, we have to look at the mistakes we

make that cost lives, that's how we learn, that's how we fix things. We have to

be critical of the decisions that we make, and the consequencwes that they

bring. I don't wish any further pain on the family of any of those involved, but

we need to ask the questions, and if the only way to have them answered is

through the legal system, then so be it.

Hatfield

www.michaelhatfield.net

[Guest guest]

It seems that as personal as some of those on the list are taking this, we are

depriving him of making the issue just as personal. He IS due his day in court.

 

Inadvertant risks are one thing, but if he believes that the risk was blatant,

then he does in fact have the right to file a suit.

 

If I were in his shows, I would probably be doing the same thing, if ANY of us

lost a spouse to what we believe was someone else's fault, how many of us would

just let it go? Not many.

 

While it may be a technicality to you, he is not suing the family, he is suing

the estate of the pilot, and that may be with the advice of the lawyer.

 

I have said this before, and I stand by it, we have to look at the mistakes we

make that cost lives, that's how we learn, that's how we fix things. We have to

be critical of the decisions that we make, and the consequencwes that they

bring. I don't wish any further pain on the family of any of those involved, but

we need to ask the questions, and if the only way to have them answered is

through the legal system, then so be it.

Hatfield

www.michaelhatfield.net

[Guest guest]

I lost my wife eight year ago my pray go out to you and the kids

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/FSS Office)/

(IFWF/SS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

I lost my wife eight year ago my pray go out to you and the kids

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/FSS Office)/

(IFWF/SS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

I lost my wife eight year ago my pray go out to you and the kids

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues Company, Pilot's

Estate

My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at 0830,

I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the Fire Chief

that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I quote

" You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you will need

his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(IFW/FSS Office)/

(IFWF/SS Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...>

said:

> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

THEY need

> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-chasing

lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to legitimate

legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The question

was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I addressed a

significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running out to

look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it weren't

for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

Thanks. I likely would not have come to Texas in 2002 had this not

happened.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> I lost my wife eight year ago my pray go out to you and the kids

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues

> Company, Pilot's Estate

>

>

> My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at

> 0830,

> I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

> related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the

> Fire Chief

> that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

>

> HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I

> quote

> " You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you

> will need

> his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

>

> Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (IFW/FSS Office)/

> (IFWF/SS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

> intended only

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in

> the public

> domain by the original author.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...

> >

> said:

>

>> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

> THEY need

>> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

>

> For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-

> chasing

> lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to

> legitimate

> legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The

> question

> was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I

> addressed a

> significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running

> out to

> look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it

> weren't

> for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

>

> But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Eat Great & Lose Weight FASTER! Start the South Beach

> Diet

> Online - FREE Profile!

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I likely would not have come to Texas in 2002 had this not

happened.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> I lost my wife eight year ago my pray go out to you and the kids

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Dead PHI Crew Member's Spouse Sues

> Company, Pilot's Estate

>

>

> My wife died at 0530, I was notified while on shift at an EMS job at

> 0830,

> I was home with my kids by 1130. I called my lawyer (previous business

> related relationships) by 1530 on the advice of a GOOD fiend the

> Fire Chief

> that handled the OPS on the Incident that killed my wife.

>

> HE was thinking straighter than I was at the time and he said and I

> quote

> " You will need your attorney in this sooner rather than later, you

> will need

> his help in making sure your kids get what they deserve from this " .

>

> Unless you walk a mile in those shoes you cant get this.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (IFW/FSS Office)/

> (IFWF/SS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

> author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

> intended only

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in

> the public

> domain by the original author.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/2/2009 12:04:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Friday, May 1, 2009 10:32, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...

> >

> said:

>

>> I can tell you from personal experience. No one likes lawyers until

> THEY need

>> one. THEN a lawyer is their BEST friend.

>

> For clarification, I'm not bashing lawyers. I'm bashing hearse-

> chasing

> lawyers. And I am not questioning anyone's right or access to

> legitimate

> legal remedy, which I believe these families are entitled to. The

> question

> was asked why families decide to do these things, and I believe I

> addressed a

> significant factor in that decision process. They don't go running

> out to

> look for a lawyer. Lawyers go running to look for them. If it

> weren't

> for that, the thought would never cross most of their minds.

>

> But no, I don't even like my own lawyer, even when I need him.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Eat Great & Lose Weight FASTER! Start the South Beach

> Diet

> Online - FREE Profile!

>

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F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213623126%3B35100424%

> 3Bk)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is the pilot the only one he is sueing? Or as mentioned earlier is he sueing

everyone that may have some fault in the death in order to be able to collect

from the companys insurance? Plus you have to start high to get a reasonable

offer or judgement it seems.

>

> It seems that as personal as some of those on the list are taking this, we are

depriving him of making the issue just as personal. He IS due his day in court.

>  

> Inadvertant risks are one thing, but if he believes that the risk was blatant,

then he does in fact have the right to file a suit.

>  

> If I were in his shows, I would probably be doing the same thing, if ANY of us

lost a spouse to what we believe was someone else's fault, how many of us would

just let it go? Not many.

>  

> While it may be a technicality to you, he is not suing the family, he is suing

the estate of the pilot, and that may be with the advice of the lawyer.

>  

> I have said this before, and I stand by it, we have to look at the mistakes we

make that cost lives, that's how we learn, that's how we fix things. We have to

be critical of the decisions that we make, and the consequencwes that they

bring. I don't wish any further pain on the family of any of those involved, but

we need to ask the questions, and if the only way to have them answered is

through the legal system, then so be it.

>

> Hatfield

> www.michaelhatfield.net

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is the pilot the only one he is sueing? Or as mentioned earlier is he sueing

everyone that may have some fault in the death in order to be able to collect

from the companys insurance? Plus you have to start high to get a reasonable

offer or judgement it seems.

>

> It seems that as personal as some of those on the list are taking this, we are

depriving him of making the issue just as personal. He IS due his day in court.

>  

> Inadvertant risks are one thing, but if he believes that the risk was blatant,

then he does in fact have the right to file a suit.

>  

> If I were in his shows, I would probably be doing the same thing, if ANY of us

lost a spouse to what we believe was someone else's fault, how many of us would

just let it go? Not many.

>  

> While it may be a technicality to you, he is not suing the family, he is suing

the estate of the pilot, and that may be with the advice of the lawyer.

>  

> I have said this before, and I stand by it, we have to look at the mistakes we

make that cost lives, that's how we learn, that's how we fix things. We have to

be critical of the decisions that we make, and the consequencwes that they

bring. I don't wish any further pain on the family of any of those involved, but

we need to ask the questions, and if the only way to have them answered is

through the legal system, then so be it.

>

> Hatfield

> www.michaelhatfield.net

>

>

>

>