Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 2007 is the year of the PIG???????? Hmmmmmmm. We need to make that an NATURAL THYROID YEAR, huh!! Well, it is strange that you would feel worse going up to 2 1/2 grains like that. So........have you had your Ferritin tested? Have you done the 24 hour saliva adrenal test? (ZRT lbs--see LINKS) How are your female hormones? Janie in icy Colorado brrrr > hello all, > i am confused as usual. > i have started to feel like crap-o-la on 2.5 grains of armour. NOT > hyper but back to feeling more hypo. > i added .25 grain 12 days ago and abpout one week later started > feeling yucky. > i'm all for increasing but i thought it was so strange to feel the > hypo stuff come back, sort of with a vengence. > am i doing something wrong? > any comments and help are super appreciated. > and i hope all have a great 2005. its the year of the rooster. AND > 2007 is the year of the OINK OINK!! > thank you loads. > kathryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 howdy thank you Janie for writing back. yes i had ferritin checked in oct- i think- and i have been on a good iron supp since. i have not done the saliva adrenal test. i don't know if there is such a beast here (japan) but i do know my pupils go haywire with the light test. i'm not sure about my female hormones either. i'm too chicken to find out. the days between my periods are starting to fluctuate though. grrrr. its great being a girl , ain't it? AND because 2005 is supposed to be THEE year for Libras, i'm going to up my dose again and see what happens. thanks for your help. long live natural pig thyroids. huh? kathryn > > 2007 is the year of the PIG???????? Hmmmmmmm. We need to make that > an NATURAL THYROID YEAR, huh!! > > Well, it is strange that you would feel worse going up to 2 1/2 > grains like that. So........have you had your Ferritin tested? Have > you done the 24 hour saliva adrenal test? (ZRT lbs--see LINKS) How > are your female hormones? > > Janie in icy Colorado brrrr > > > hello all, > > i am confused as usual. > > i have started to feel like crap-o-la on 2.5 grains of armour. > NOT > > hyper but back to feeling more hypo. > > i added .25 grain 12 days ago and abpout one week later started > > feeling yucky. > > i'm all for increasing but i thought it was so strange to feel the > > hypo stuff come back, sort of with a vengence. > > am i doing something wrong? > > any comments and help are super appreciated. > > and i hope all have a great 2005. its the year of the rooster. > AND > > 2007 is the year of the OINK OINK!! > > thank you loads. > > kathryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hello Rob --- Rob Fearnley wrote: > The reason I am confused is my meter comes out with figures ranging between 0.1 to 30.0 or > somewhere close, not in the 100's like you guys are talking about. I can't relate the 2 sets of > values. OK, meters in the UK use the Mmol/Liter scale, meters in the USA use mg/dl. The conversion factor is 18, so divide the higher numbers by 18 to arrive at what your meter reads, or multiply yours by 18. > You tell people to test at least 4 times a day. Better to test 1 hr and 2 hours after food to > see what the spike is. > > My General Practitioner and the nurse at the diabetic clinic attached to the doctors surgery > said I only need to test twice a week. OK, your advisors are following the normal practice of making things " easy " (to say nothing of cheap). Diabetes is never easy, and the best thing to do is to find out what your results are when you eat different foods so you learn how to treat them. The idea that taking pills vs shots requires less testing is a falacy, since you can't really adjust the medicine dosage, just what you eat, so extensive testing is MORE necessary. > Being a newbie at this I haven't got a clue and to say that the whole subject scares me is an > understatement. Understood. Take 1 thing at a time, but get your baseline established by testing several times a day, at least for now. Once you get things stabilized with good control less frequent testing, though probably more than they recommended, should be enough. You don't know where you are or how to improve it without testing. Ted Quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Rob Fearnley wrote: >I have had the newbies letter and have been reading through the posts and am totally confused. > > That's normal enough. The subject is confusing at first. But hang in there. Your welcome to ask questions here. Learn one thing at a time and it'll eventually add up to make you an expert. >I live in the UK and we pay a subsidised price for our meters and our strips and lancets are provided on prescription free of charge as our meds if we are diabetic. > > Right. Most of us on the list are Americans, but he have our share of your countrymen as well as Australians, Canadians and a spattering of other countries. Japan, Spain, Brazil and others come to mind. >The reason I am confused is my meter comes out with figures ranging between 0.1 to 30.0 or somewhere close, not in the 100's like you guys are talking about. I can't relate the 2 sets of values. > > Right. We're using difference scales to measure glucose. In America, Japan, and Spain, blood glucose is measured in mg/dl. The rest of the world pretty much uses mmol/L. Fortunately, the conversion is easy. Multiply your units by 18 to get the American; and divide to convert the other way. As most of us use mg/dl, we tend to forget to cite both scales so everybody can read the post. Sorry. >You tell people to test at least 4 times a day. Better to test 1 hr and 2 hours after food to see what the spike is...... >My General Practitioner and the nurse at the diabetic clinic attached to the doctors surgery said I only need to test twice a week. > Yes. Unfortunately, many doctors give that advice. It's not completely clear to me why. My best guess is that most doctors feel that the only serious medical care is what they do. When patients do things to take care of themselves, it like we're just children and what we do is not serious, but intended to occupy us so we don't get into trouble. Maybe it's because they feel they can manage our diabetes with a blood test every three months, so why would we need any more? Many doctors still carry the out-of-date attitude that high blood sugars really don't matter much or that diabetics are supposed to have high readings, so why bother testing? It seems to me (and I may be mistaken) that our British members tend to complain more often about their doctors not wanting them to test much. Are British doctors more authoritarian? Some doctors tend to think we're easily confused by more than an occasional test. Others fear we'll become *obsessed.* In any event, if you're going to have very good control, you need to test frequently. Certainly in the beginning, when you're still learning how diabetes behaves in your body, you need to test very frequently. You need to learn whether you're normally high or low at bedtime or upon arising. You need to learn how various foods affect you. You need to test any time you feel strange, to see whether it's related to your BG levels. Infections tend to raise your BGs. You need to know that so you can take some action to correct that. You can test before and after exercise to see whether that sends your BGs up or down. Blood glucose fluctuates minute by minute all day long. Doctors tend to judge us by the A1c test every three months. If the A1c is good, then they say we're doing okay. So for them that's one blood test every three months. But for us to have a good A1c, we have to have good control 24 hours a day for 90 days. Doctors don't seem to realize that it's our frequent testing at home that results in those good A1c's. Not testing is like driving without a speedometer. You just can't know how your doing without it. Of course, as you become more experienced Type 2, you don't need to test as frequently. If you're using insulin, then you need much more frequent testing to assure your insulin dosing has been correct. There are lots of good reasons to test. The biggest reason, perhaps, is to keep ourselves healthy and to prevent complications if possible. If you don't have good control, some fairly terrible complications can make our lives miserable, and frequent testing is necessary for good control. My personal experience is that in my early days I went through a couple periods of not testing. At first I thought I was doing pretty well, so I could slack off on the testing. So testing once a day fell to testing every day or two. And after a period of skipping a few days at a time, I realized I had quit testing entirely, For around three months each time, I told myself I was doing well and knew what to eat, so I didn't really need to test. But once I resumed testing, I found that my numbers had drifted up and I had to work to bring them back down. Without my speedometer, I didn't know how I was doing. You think you're eating the same way you did, but little changes creep in. You start getting lax, telling yourself that you still feel fine. But your numbers creep up. That's what happened to me. You're not alone. For many of us Americans, we need our doctor's authorization before our health insurance will pay for test strips. Many of us have to fight with our doctors to test more (or even just test). >Being a newbie at this I haven't got a clue and to say that the whole subject scares me is an understatement. I know we British are supposed to be good at understatements but please somebody help me. > Knowledge is power, my friend. Stay with this group. Ask questions about anything you don't understand. It'll put you in control of your diabetes, rather than it's being in charge of you. It's confusing at first for everyone, but once you learn a few things, it starts feeling more manageable. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 How much HC are you on and have you graphed temps? How low are they? Yes you can get chest congestion from low thyroid I nearly died of it, but takign T3 before your adrneals are stable will not help as it will only pol in your blood and not reach the cells. Have you had Iron panel and ferritin tested? These are major causes of adrneal stress and RT3 adn also cvause the breathless symtpoms. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 How much HC are you on and have you graphed temps? How low are they? Yes you can get chest congestion from low thyroid I nearly died of it, but takign T3 before your adrneals are stable will not help as it will only pol in your blood and not reach the cells. Have you had Iron panel and ferritin tested? These are major causes of adrneal stress and RT3 adn also cvause the breathless symtpoms. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 How much HC are you on and have you graphed temps? How low are they? Yes you can get chest congestion from low thyroid I nearly died of it, but takign T3 before your adrneals are stable will not help as it will only pol in your blood and not reach the cells. Have you had Iron panel and ferritin tested? These are major causes of adrneal stress and RT3 adn also cvause the breathless symtpoms. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'm on 15 mg HC right now per day. My basal temps are all over the place: Past week - 97.0, 96.2, 97.0, 97.8, 97.2, 97.0, 97.1, today 96.3. My doctor said she would test ferritin levels next time. I did have hemoglobin at 13.2, WBC - 5.6, RBC - 4.20. Hematocrit - 39.8My B-12 came back 429 (Range 200 - 1100 pg/mL) I am taking some B-12 sublingual now...5000 mcg per day. I have ordered some shots. Any recommendations on that? My doctor said she wanted it around 1000. I have some SlowFe iron. Should I be taking some of it maybe? Or is there a better iron to take? How can you tell when the adrenals are stable? This is driving me nuts! Since I was on 1/2 gr. Naturethroid, and she took me off all thyroid, how long will it take for the rt3 to clear? Thanks so much for your help! Joan > > How much HC are you on and have you graphed temps? How low are they? Yes > you can get chest congestion from low thyroid I nearly died of it, but > takign T3 before your adrneals are stable will not help as it will only > pol in your blood and not reach the cells. Have you had Iron panel and > ferritin tested? These are major causes of adrneal stress and RT3 adn > also cvause the breathless symtpoms. > > -- > > http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://faqhelp.webs.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'm on 15 mg HC right now per day. My basal temps are all over the place: Past week - 97.0, 96.2, 97.0, 97.8, 97.2, 97.0, 97.1, today 96.3. My doctor said she would test ferritin levels next time. I did have hemoglobin at 13.2, WBC - 5.6, RBC - 4.20. Hematocrit - 39.8My B-12 came back 429 (Range 200 - 1100 pg/mL) I am taking some B-12 sublingual now...5000 mcg per day. I have ordered some shots. Any recommendations on that? My doctor said she wanted it around 1000. I have some SlowFe iron. Should I be taking some of it maybe? Or is there a better iron to take? How can you tell when the adrenals are stable? This is driving me nuts! Since I was on 1/2 gr. Naturethroid, and she took me off all thyroid, how long will it take for the rt3 to clear? Thanks so much for your help! Joan > > How much HC are you on and have you graphed temps? How low are they? Yes > you can get chest congestion from low thyroid I nearly died of it, but > takign T3 before your adrneals are stable will not help as it will only > pol in your blood and not reach the cells. Have you had Iron panel and > ferritin tested? These are major causes of adrneal stress and RT3 adn > also cvause the breathless symtpoms. > > -- > > http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://faqhelp.webs.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 You should wait on the iron until you get full labs. TIBC and %saturtion are important to knwo if it si safe to supplement iron. AND if oyu do take any you need ot stop it for 5 days before testing iron or ferritin or it skews the results. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 You should wait on the iron until you get full labs. TIBC and %saturtion are important to knwo if it si safe to supplement iron. AND if oyu do take any you need ot stop it for 5 days before testing iron or ferritin or it skews the results. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 You should wait on the iron until you get full labs. TIBC and %saturtion are important to knwo if it si safe to supplement iron. AND if oyu do take any you need ot stop it for 5 days before testing iron or ferritin or it skews the results. -- http://nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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