Re: New Subway commercials/Tory

[Guest guest]

I know you were not picking on me )

But around here a lot of the school have open campus for Jr high and Sr

high. The kids eat at whatever fast food place that they want as long as

they get back on campus in time for the next class. So parents are not

there to supervise. I know when we had open campus as a kid we at junk. And

it seems that kids today have no job, but tons of excess $$. A lot of busy

parents seem to give into the money demands of their kids, maybe out of

guilt or maybe they just have extra disposable income?

I am glad Subway has good foods. (If I could only get my veggies to taste

that fresh at home! They must put some secret chemical on them to make them

taste so fresh....lol)

Moe

Re: New Subway commercials

>

> Wow. When I was a kid if Mom was buying, she was choosing. Unless I'm

> mistaken, 9-13 year olds don't have their own jobs so it would be

perfectly

> appropriate to say " You can order one of these six items, a kids meal, or

a

> salad " . I think parents give kids too much freedom before they're ready to

> make appropriate decisions.

>

> But it's handy to blame Subway. Hey, at least they are a healthy

> alternative. You know parents don't HAVE to take their kids to fast food

> restaurants at all.

>

> Not picking on you Moe, even if it sounds like I am. I'm more picking on

> parents who act like it is the responsibility of everyone but them to make

> sure their kids eat healthy foods.

>

> At 08:35 PM 11/15/2004, Adoption A Gift Of Love wrote:

>

> >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was in there.

I

> >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I know who get

> >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips and soda).

Not

> >real healthy.

> >

> >Moe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high? That is just asking for a liability

nightmare! Our junior high was right downtown and a lot of kids made a

" run for the border " but if caught, they were in BIG time trouble!

Even our high school doesn't have open campus.

You're right. Kids have no job, very very few responsibilities at home

(I asked them what chores they have at home and some kids were

absolutely horrified that someone would actually ASK them to take out

the garbage or clean their room...how sad is that), yet they have

money, cell phones, cars, etc. I saw a parenting expert one time refer

to this generation of parents as " Pinata Parents. " Whenever the kid

wants something, *whack* out it spills. They don't learn to delay

gratification or work for something, hence they have no buy in to take

care of it or respect it. Of course this is a GROSS generalization.

Many kids are very responsible and good decision makers because their

parents work hard to instill that in them. But some...wow.

It's interesting. I'm doing a unit on nutrition right now and the kids

have all signed up for accounts at fitday.com. It is AMAZING what they

eat! One of my boys ate an entire PACKAGE of hot dogs yesterday!!!!!!

His total calories for the day was over 5000, with 71 grams of fat.

Holy cow! Next to him my heaviest girl had eaten almost 4000 calories.

She is very interested in changing her lifestyle and I think

journaling her food was a real eye opener. In her defense, it was her

Dad's birthday and they had a lot of food that they don't normally

eat.

What amazes me is just the sheer VOLUME of foods these kids have. Back

to hot dog boy...if I'd ever eaten ONE hot dog after school for a

snack I would have been in trouble. Our food was NOT to be eaten

without permission, mainly because we were so poor that if one of us

had gotten in and eaten a package of hot dogs (not that we ever ate

those), it would have meant dinner that night was gone. Granted we

were a lot poorer than other familes, and some of these guys don't

have that kind of food. But wow...many just ate a lot of really scary

stuff.

I told them all today that I wanted them to write down everything they

eat over Thanksgiving and compare it to the other days so we can

discuss the impact holidays have on eating. They ALL were like " Oh

no! " So we're teaching them very young to use holidays as an excuse to

not eat, not over-indulge, but GORGE.

That crazy thing is, some of their diets didn't look that different

than MY diet before WWers and I was brought up being fed a relatively

well balanced diet. We didn't have a lot of sweets in the house

(although Mom always had candy hidden for herself, she has had a major

problem with sweets all her life...as do I). We didn't do a lot of

snacking, no desserts, if we ate at a fast food restaurant it was a

miracle. In fact I distinctly remember the night our house burned down

as being the first time that I recall eating at Mcs when we were

home. We might on vacation, but NEVER if we were home. My parents had

been taking up carpet squares so there were fumes in the house and

they didn't want to start the stove. (Unfortunately they didn't think

to blow out the pilot light on the hot water heater and kablam.) I

remember that I had a half a happy meal and before bed was given half

a butter and honey sandwich. Funny the things we remember.

But anyhow, my point is, it is scary to me to see so many fat kids

right now in their teen years...substantially more than when I was a

student here. I gained my weight after high school and if they follow

suit, putting on 5 pounds or so a year, they have already started in

the " extremely obese " category. I am seeig that in my kids who

graduated a few years back. The girls return to visit me with a smile

on their face and 30 pounds on their hips.

Another interesting thing is that many of my pudgy girls who wear the

tight fitting pants with their bellies hanging over the top were

SURPRISED to find that they were in the overweight category. On the

one hand I think it's great that it's not as big a hangup. But at the

same time it makes me wonder what they see when they look in the

mirror. On the flip side I had to encourage more than one NOT to go on

a diet because it isn't necessary when you're normal weight for your

height.

And yes...how do they make their veggies taste so darn GOOD there!

Subway salads are AWESOME!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:13:15 -0600, Adoption A Gift Of Love

wrote:

>

> I know you were not picking on me )

>

> But around here a lot of the school have open campus for Jr high and Sr

> high. The kids eat at whatever fast food place that they want as long as

> they get back on campus in time for the next class. So parents are not

> there to supervise. I know when we had open campus as a kid we at junk. And

> it seems that kids today have no job, but tons of excess $$. A lot of busy

> parents seem to give into the money demands of their kids, maybe out of

> guilt or maybe they just have extra disposable income?

> I am glad Subway has good foods. (If I could only get my veggies to taste

> that fresh at home! They must put some secret chemical on them to make them

> taste so fresh....lol)

>

> Moe

> Re: New Subway commercials

>

> >

> > Wow. When I was a kid if Mom was buying, she was choosing. Unless I'm

> > mistaken, 9-13 year olds don't have their own jobs so it would be

> perfectly

> > appropriate to say " You can order one of these six items, a kids meal, or

> a

> > salad " . I think parents give kids too much freedom before they're ready to

> > make appropriate decisions.

> >

> > But it's handy to blame Subway. Hey, at least they are a healthy

> > alternative. You know parents don't HAVE to take their kids to fast food

> > restaurants at all.

> >

> > Not picking on you Moe, even if it sounds like I am. I'm more picking on

> > parents who act like it is the responsibility of everyone but them to make

> > sure their kids eat healthy foods.

> >

> > At 08:35 PM 11/15/2004, Adoption A Gift Of Love wrote:

> >

> > >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was in there.

> I

> > >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I know who get

> > >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips and soda).

> Not

> > >real healthy.

> > >

> > >Moe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high? That is just asking for a liability

nightmare! Our junior high was right downtown and a lot of kids made a

" run for the border " but if caught, they were in BIG time trouble!

Even our high school doesn't have open campus.

You're right. Kids have no job, very very few responsibilities at home

(I asked them what chores they have at home and some kids were

absolutely horrified that someone would actually ASK them to take out

the garbage or clean their room...how sad is that), yet they have

money, cell phones, cars, etc. I saw a parenting expert one time refer

to this generation of parents as " Pinata Parents. " Whenever the kid

wants something, *whack* out it spills. They don't learn to delay

gratification or work for something, hence they have no buy in to take

care of it or respect it. Of course this is a GROSS generalization.

Many kids are very responsible and good decision makers because their

parents work hard to instill that in them. But some...wow.

It's interesting. I'm doing a unit on nutrition right now and the kids

have all signed up for accounts at fitday.com. It is AMAZING what they

eat! One of my boys ate an entire PACKAGE of hot dogs yesterday!!!!!!

His total calories for the day was over 5000, with 71 grams of fat.

Holy cow! Next to him my heaviest girl had eaten almost 4000 calories.

She is very interested in changing her lifestyle and I think

journaling her food was a real eye opener. In her defense, it was her

Dad's birthday and they had a lot of food that they don't normally

eat.

What amazes me is just the sheer VOLUME of foods these kids have. Back

to hot dog boy...if I'd ever eaten ONE hot dog after school for a

snack I would have been in trouble. Our food was NOT to be eaten

without permission, mainly because we were so poor that if one of us

had gotten in and eaten a package of hot dogs (not that we ever ate

those), it would have meant dinner that night was gone. Granted we

were a lot poorer than other familes, and some of these guys don't

have that kind of food. But wow...many just ate a lot of really scary

stuff.

I told them all today that I wanted them to write down everything they

eat over Thanksgiving and compare it to the other days so we can

discuss the impact holidays have on eating. They ALL were like " Oh

no! " So we're teaching them very young to use holidays as an excuse to

not eat, not over-indulge, but GORGE.

That crazy thing is, some of their diets didn't look that different

than MY diet before WWers and I was brought up being fed a relatively

well balanced diet. We didn't have a lot of sweets in the house

(although Mom always had candy hidden for herself, she has had a major

problem with sweets all her life...as do I). We didn't do a lot of

snacking, no desserts, if we ate at a fast food restaurant it was a

miracle. In fact I distinctly remember the night our house burned down

as being the first time that I recall eating at Mcs when we were

home. We might on vacation, but NEVER if we were home. My parents had

been taking up carpet squares so there were fumes in the house and

they didn't want to start the stove. (Unfortunately they didn't think

to blow out the pilot light on the hot water heater and kablam.) I

remember that I had a half a happy meal and before bed was given half

a butter and honey sandwich. Funny the things we remember.

But anyhow, my point is, it is scary to me to see so many fat kids

right now in their teen years...substantially more than when I was a

student here. I gained my weight after high school and if they follow

suit, putting on 5 pounds or so a year, they have already started in

the " extremely obese " category. I am seeig that in my kids who

graduated a few years back. The girls return to visit me with a smile

on their face and 30 pounds on their hips.

Another interesting thing is that many of my pudgy girls who wear the

tight fitting pants with their bellies hanging over the top were

SURPRISED to find that they were in the overweight category. On the

one hand I think it's great that it's not as big a hangup. But at the

same time it makes me wonder what they see when they look in the

mirror. On the flip side I had to encourage more than one NOT to go on

a diet because it isn't necessary when you're normal weight for your

height.

And yes...how do they make their veggies taste so darn GOOD there!

Subway salads are AWESOME!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:13:15 -0600, Adoption A Gift Of Love

wrote:

>

> I know you were not picking on me )

>

> But around here a lot of the school have open campus for Jr high and Sr

> high. The kids eat at whatever fast food place that they want as long as

> they get back on campus in time for the next class. So parents are not

> there to supervise. I know when we had open campus as a kid we at junk. And

> it seems that kids today have no job, but tons of excess $$. A lot of busy

> parents seem to give into the money demands of their kids, maybe out of

> guilt or maybe they just have extra disposable income?

> I am glad Subway has good foods. (If I could only get my veggies to taste

> that fresh at home! They must put some secret chemical on them to make them

> taste so fresh....lol)

>

> Moe

> Re: New Subway commercials

>

> >

> > Wow. When I was a kid if Mom was buying, she was choosing. Unless I'm

> > mistaken, 9-13 year olds don't have their own jobs so it would be

> perfectly

> > appropriate to say " You can order one of these six items, a kids meal, or

> a

> > salad " . I think parents give kids too much freedom before they're ready to

> > make appropriate decisions.

> >

> > But it's handy to blame Subway. Hey, at least they are a healthy

> > alternative. You know parents don't HAVE to take their kids to fast food

> > restaurants at all.

> >

> > Not picking on you Moe, even if it sounds like I am. I'm more picking on

> > parents who act like it is the responsibility of everyone but them to make

> > sure their kids eat healthy foods.

> >

> > At 08:35 PM 11/15/2004, Adoption A Gift Of Love wrote:

> >

> > >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was in there.

> I

> > >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I know who get

> > >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips and soda).

> Not

> > >real healthy.

> > >

> > >Moe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high? That is just asking for a liability

nightmare! Our junior high was right downtown and a lot of kids made a

" run for the border " but if caught, they were in BIG time trouble!

Even our high school doesn't have open campus.

You're right. Kids have no job, very very few responsibilities at home

(I asked them what chores they have at home and some kids were

absolutely horrified that someone would actually ASK them to take out

the garbage or clean their room...how sad is that), yet they have

money, cell phones, cars, etc. I saw a parenting expert one time refer

to this generation of parents as " Pinata Parents. " Whenever the kid

wants something, *whack* out it spills. They don't learn to delay

gratification or work for something, hence they have no buy in to take

care of it or respect it. Of course this is a GROSS generalization.

Many kids are very responsible and good decision makers because their

parents work hard to instill that in them. But some...wow.

It's interesting. I'm doing a unit on nutrition right now and the kids

have all signed up for accounts at fitday.com. It is AMAZING what they

eat! One of my boys ate an entire PACKAGE of hot dogs yesterday!!!!!!

His total calories for the day was over 5000, with 71 grams of fat.

Holy cow! Next to him my heaviest girl had eaten almost 4000 calories.

She is very interested in changing her lifestyle and I think

journaling her food was a real eye opener. In her defense, it was her

Dad's birthday and they had a lot of food that they don't normally

eat.

What amazes me is just the sheer VOLUME of foods these kids have. Back

to hot dog boy...if I'd ever eaten ONE hot dog after school for a

snack I would have been in trouble. Our food was NOT to be eaten

without permission, mainly because we were so poor that if one of us

had gotten in and eaten a package of hot dogs (not that we ever ate

those), it would have meant dinner that night was gone. Granted we

were a lot poorer than other familes, and some of these guys don't

have that kind of food. But wow...many just ate a lot of really scary

stuff.

I told them all today that I wanted them to write down everything they

eat over Thanksgiving and compare it to the other days so we can

discuss the impact holidays have on eating. They ALL were like " Oh

no! " So we're teaching them very young to use holidays as an excuse to

not eat, not over-indulge, but GORGE.

That crazy thing is, some of their diets didn't look that different

than MY diet before WWers and I was brought up being fed a relatively

well balanced diet. We didn't have a lot of sweets in the house

(although Mom always had candy hidden for herself, she has had a major

problem with sweets all her life...as do I). We didn't do a lot of

snacking, no desserts, if we ate at a fast food restaurant it was a

miracle. In fact I distinctly remember the night our house burned down

as being the first time that I recall eating at Mcs when we were

home. We might on vacation, but NEVER if we were home. My parents had

been taking up carpet squares so there were fumes in the house and

they didn't want to start the stove. (Unfortunately they didn't think

to blow out the pilot light on the hot water heater and kablam.) I

remember that I had a half a happy meal and before bed was given half

a butter and honey sandwich. Funny the things we remember.

But anyhow, my point is, it is scary to me to see so many fat kids

right now in their teen years...substantially more than when I was a

student here. I gained my weight after high school and if they follow

suit, putting on 5 pounds or so a year, they have already started in

the " extremely obese " category. I am seeig that in my kids who

graduated a few years back. The girls return to visit me with a smile

on their face and 30 pounds on their hips.

Another interesting thing is that many of my pudgy girls who wear the

tight fitting pants with their bellies hanging over the top were

SURPRISED to find that they were in the overweight category. On the

one hand I think it's great that it's not as big a hangup. But at the

same time it makes me wonder what they see when they look in the

mirror. On the flip side I had to encourage more than one NOT to go on

a diet because it isn't necessary when you're normal weight for your

height.

And yes...how do they make their veggies taste so darn GOOD there!

Subway salads are AWESOME!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:13:15 -0600, Adoption A Gift Of Love

wrote:

>

> I know you were not picking on me )

>

> But around here a lot of the school have open campus for Jr high and Sr

> high. The kids eat at whatever fast food place that they want as long as

> they get back on campus in time for the next class. So parents are not

> there to supervise. I know when we had open campus as a kid we at junk. And

> it seems that kids today have no job, but tons of excess $$. A lot of busy

> parents seem to give into the money demands of their kids, maybe out of

> guilt or maybe they just have extra disposable income?

> I am glad Subway has good foods. (If I could only get my veggies to taste

> that fresh at home! They must put some secret chemical on them to make them

> taste so fresh....lol)

>

> Moe

> Re: New Subway commercials

>

> >

> > Wow. When I was a kid if Mom was buying, she was choosing. Unless I'm

> > mistaken, 9-13 year olds don't have their own jobs so it would be

> perfectly

> > appropriate to say " You can order one of these six items, a kids meal, or

> a

> > salad " . I think parents give kids too much freedom before they're ready to

> > make appropriate decisions.

> >

> > But it's handy to blame Subway. Hey, at least they are a healthy

> > alternative. You know parents don't HAVE to take their kids to fast food

> > restaurants at all.

> >

> > Not picking on you Moe, even if it sounds like I am. I'm more picking on

> > parents who act like it is the responsibility of everyone but them to make

> > sure their kids eat healthy foods.

> >

> > At 08:35 PM 11/15/2004, Adoption A Gift Of Love wrote:

> >

> > >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was in there.

> I

> > >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I know who get

> > >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips and soda).

> Not

> > >real healthy.

> > >

> > >Moe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Tory,

I know this is off topic - but being a teacher I really could use

your imput. I have a 13 yr old boy who is very smart, but very lazy

when it comes to school. He scores nationaly in 98-99% and even took

his SAT's this past year (scoring in top 1%). The problem is trying

to get him to do his homework. I have always though my children's

homework was their responsibility - not mine. That means that I

don't sit with him and do his work, I don't help him with answers -

I will explain concepts, and I don't find out what is due when. I

figure if he fails a class it is no one's fault but his own. The

trouble is that since he is smart he get's 100's on tests, so even

with very little homework turned in he still passes and feels he can

get away with this. I have tried talking with him, taking things

away. I am at my wits end. Do you have any ideas?

If you would rather send reply to my email rather than continue off

topic in group, I understand.

(the other) Beth

> > >

> > > >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was

in there.

> > I

> > > >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I

know who get

> > > >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips

and soda).

> > Not

> > > >real healthy.

> > > >

> > > >Moe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Tory,

I know this is off topic - but being a teacher I really could use

your imput. I have a 13 yr old boy who is very smart, but very lazy

when it comes to school. He scores nationaly in 98-99% and even took

his SAT's this past year (scoring in top 1%). The problem is trying

to get him to do his homework. I have always though my children's

homework was their responsibility - not mine. That means that I

don't sit with him and do his work, I don't help him with answers -

I will explain concepts, and I don't find out what is due when. I

figure if he fails a class it is no one's fault but his own. The

trouble is that since he is smart he get's 100's on tests, so even

with very little homework turned in he still passes and feels he can

get away with this. I have tried talking with him, taking things

away. I am at my wits end. Do you have any ideas?

If you would rather send reply to my email rather than continue off

topic in group, I understand.

(the other) Beth

> > >

> > > >I saw flyers for feeding kids Subway the other day when I was

in there.

> > I

> > > >was not thrilled with it either. Most kids (9yrs-13yrs) I

know who get

> > > >Subway order the meatball or the BMT (footlongs with chips

and soda).

> > Not

> > > >real healthy.

> > > >

> > > >Moe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> > Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high?

LOL.....yes, it's not all over, but some school do have it. Our Junior high

is 7-8 grade, but some of the high schools are 8-12 grade.....lol....I worry

more about 8th grade girls being around 12th grade boys! lol......than I do

them leaving campus to grab lunch....so many of those 8th graders look like

senior high kids!

I remember when I entered my freshman year all my friends smoked and I did

not (never have) and there was smoking allowed on campus (designated areas

only) if you had a signed permission slip from your parents each

year.......My freshman year was when they stopped that, it was a nightmare

after that, everytime you used the bathroom you walked through a fog of

smoke it was nasty. We also had open campus, but I think it was only for

upper classmen in good standing, when that started a Mcs opened right

across the street.

The school my DS will attend (I pray I will be creative with his SACK

lunches!) only serves Landshire (sp?) microwave sandwiches (like hospital

vending machine sandwiches), chips, cookies, milk and on every Friday they

order out. They rotate between a grocery store deli (chicken & noodles,

beef & noodles etc) and a pizza delivery place ($1.00 per slice). Not real

thrilled with those options. But there is no school lunch program (not

great anyway) since it's a private school with only about 130 kids.

Hey, Just a thought, I wonder if the school would order Subway for lunch on

those Friday?? I may just have to mention that.

Moe

[Guest guest]

> > Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high?

LOL.....yes, it's not all over, but some school do have it. Our Junior high

is 7-8 grade, but some of the high schools are 8-12 grade.....lol....I worry

more about 8th grade girls being around 12th grade boys! lol......than I do

them leaving campus to grab lunch....so many of those 8th graders look like

senior high kids!

I remember when I entered my freshman year all my friends smoked and I did

not (never have) and there was smoking allowed on campus (designated areas

only) if you had a signed permission slip from your parents each

year.......My freshman year was when they stopped that, it was a nightmare

after that, everytime you used the bathroom you walked through a fog of

smoke it was nasty. We also had open campus, but I think it was only for

upper classmen in good standing, when that started a Mcs opened right

across the street.

The school my DS will attend (I pray I will be creative with his SACK

lunches!) only serves Landshire (sp?) microwave sandwiches (like hospital

vending machine sandwiches), chips, cookies, milk and on every Friday they

order out. They rotate between a grocery store deli (chicken & noodles,

beef & noodles etc) and a pizza delivery place ($1.00 per slice). Not real

thrilled with those options. But there is no school lunch program (not

great anyway) since it's a private school with only about 130 kids.

Hey, Just a thought, I wonder if the school would order Subway for lunch on

those Friday?? I may just have to mention that.

Moe

[Guest guest]

> > Wow! Open campus for JUNIOR high?

LOL.....yes, it's not all over, but some school do have it. Our Junior high

is 7-8 grade, but some of the high schools are 8-12 grade.....lol....I worry

more about 8th grade girls being around 12th grade boys! lol......than I do

them leaving campus to grab lunch....so many of those 8th graders look like

senior high kids!

I remember when I entered my freshman year all my friends smoked and I did

not (never have) and there was smoking allowed on campus (designated areas

only) if you had a signed permission slip from your parents each

year.......My freshman year was when they stopped that, it was a nightmare

after that, everytime you used the bathroom you walked through a fog of

smoke it was nasty. We also had open campus, but I think it was only for

upper classmen in good standing, when that started a Mcs opened right

across the street.

The school my DS will attend (I pray I will be creative with his SACK

lunches!) only serves Landshire (sp?) microwave sandwiches (like hospital

vending machine sandwiches), chips, cookies, milk and on every Friday they

order out. They rotate between a grocery store deli (chicken & noodles,

beef & noodles etc) and a pizza delivery place ($1.00 per slice). Not real

thrilled with those options. But there is no school lunch program (not

great anyway) since it's a private school with only about 130 kids.

Hey, Just a thought, I wonder if the school would order Subway for lunch on

those Friday?? I may just have to mention that.

Moe