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wonderful! Thank you. That's what I thought.

Kori

At 04:26 PM 5/3/2004, you wrote:

> " ...I wonder about one thing though - and I think I know the answer

>but someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong... the 5% that are

>difficult to correct are babies that have worn the DBB and still not

>stayed corrected right? These babies get correction from casting at

>first but relapse right? Or do they not respond to the casting like

>the other 95% do? If someone could clarify I'd be thrilled to clear

>that up for myself.... "

>

>Kori,

>When I was in Iowa in March, Dr. P and Dr. Morcuende stated that they

>have not conducted a PMR at the hospital in years. They stated that

>they now know how to treat the " resistant clubfoot " without surgery.

>Yes, you're on the right track- our Kai, Chelsea, Asa etc. would be

>that old 5% statistic. Now they are certain that 99-100% of clubfeet

>can be corrected without reconstructive surgery, though it would

>probably take another medical study (which I'm sure is underway) to

>be published to change that statistic officially. There are also

>complicated feet with conditions such as arthrogryposis to take into

>account, though I know that they've had exceptional results with

>these cases as well.

>

>I hope this helps-

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Kori,

When we were at the U of Iowa in 1999 or 2000, we once had heard Dr.

Dietz mention that for children who had begun the initial treatment

from near birth at the U of Iowa, that they had not needed to do a

posterior release type of surgery since the early 1980's.

My impression is that the few that may have had the surgery were

where treatment had been started somewhere else or if the FAB/DBB

had been discontinued by the parents and they were not able to get

the feet recorrected enough to avoid having to do a posterior

release type of surgery. In the recent U of Iowa study reported in

the Journal of Pediatrics, they indicated that they had treated 157

children from 1991 to 2001 and had to do 3 posterior release types

of surgery. Although I am not certain, my guess is that those 3

children had gone to Iowa after treatment elsewhere or were where

there was non-compliance in the use of the FAB/DBB

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/2/376

As Dr. Ponseti allows for in his statement as his web site, " Less

than 5% of infants born with clubfeet may have very severe, short,

plump feet with stiff ligaments, unyielding to stretching with a

deep transverse skin fold across the sole of the foot and another

crease above the heel. These babies require special treatment and

may need surgical correction. "

http://www.vh.org/pediatric/patient/orthopaedics/clubfeet/parents.htm

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But as mentioned, for children with clubfoot associated with

arthrogryposis or genetic syndromes, that although the Ponseti

method helps that many of those children do need to have the

posterior release types of surgery.

The U of Iowa and others combined their treatment results to present

a paper on Arthrogryposis at the recent 2004 AAOS Convention.

http://www.aaos.org/wordhtml/anmt2004/sciprog/268.htm

and (3-17-99)

> " ...I wonder about one thing though - and I think I know the

answer

> but someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong... the 5% that

are

> difficult to correct are babies that have worn the DBB and still

not

> stayed corrected right? These babies get correction from casting

at

> first but relapse right? Or do they not respond to the casting

like

> the other 95% do? If someone could clarify I'd be thrilled to

clear

> that up for myself.... "

>

> Kori,

> When I was in Iowa in March, Dr. P and Dr. Morcuende stated that

they

> have not conducted a PMR at the hospital in years. They stated

that

> they now know how to treat the " resistant clubfoot " without

surgery.

> Yes, you're on the right track- our Kai, Chelsea, Asa etc. would

be

> that old 5% statistic. Now they are certain that 99-100% of

clubfeet

> can be corrected without reconstructive surgery, though it would

> probably take another medical study (which I'm sure is underway)

to

> be published to change that statistic officially. There are also

> complicated feet with conditions such as arthrogryposis to take

into

> account, though I know that they've had exceptional results with

> these cases as well.

>

> I hope this helps-

>

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> As Dr. Ponseti allows for in his statement as his web site, " Less

> than 5% of infants born with clubfeet may have very severe, short,

> plump feet with stiff ligaments, unyielding to stretching with a

> deep transverse skin fold across the sole of the foot and another

> crease above the heel. These babies require special treatment and

> may need surgical correction. "

>

http://www.vh.org/pediatric/patient/orthopaedics/clubfeet/parents.htm

I'll be danged! I am sure I read this back when we started treatment

for Kai; and later when corresponding to Dr Ponseti he

mentioned " short, fat feet with deep medial (transverse) crease " ,

which is what got the ball rolling that landed us in IC, but I

connected the two. This almost completely describes Kai's foot! The

only difference is that only a portion of his ligaments are stiff

(the rest are very loose?!) and his foot was NOT unyielding to

stretching. As for the rest, his foot was definitely severe (I think

like a 5 on the Pirani scale) short, fat with deep creases on the

sole and above the heel.

I can definitely say that while in the beginning Dr Ponseti would not

completely rule out the need for surgical correction, he has since

relayed to me that he not only doesnt think surgery is needed, but

that it could potentially be more dammaging in the long run for Kai.

Dr Mosca concurred, saying that too much was involved in a foot like

Kai's to consider surgery. I am guessing that another medical study

would indeed show that that 5% statistic has dropped significantly.

Angel

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> As Dr. Ponseti allows for in his statement as his web site, " Less

> than 5% of infants born with clubfeet may have very severe, short,

> plump feet with stiff ligaments, unyielding to stretching with a

> deep transverse skin fold across the sole of the foot and another

> crease above the heel. These babies require special treatment and

> may need surgical correction. "

>

http://www.vh.org/pediatric/patient/orthopaedics/clubfeet/parents.htm

I'll be danged! I am sure I read this back when we started treatment

for Kai; and later when corresponding to Dr Ponseti he

mentioned " short, fat feet with deep medial (transverse) crease " ,

which is what got the ball rolling that landed us in IC, but I

connected the two. This almost completely describes Kai's foot! The

only difference is that only a portion of his ligaments are stiff

(the rest are very loose?!) and his foot was NOT unyielding to

stretching. As for the rest, his foot was definitely severe (I think

like a 5 on the Pirani scale) short, fat with deep creases on the

sole and above the heel.

I can definitely say that while in the beginning Dr Ponseti would not

completely rule out the need for surgical correction, he has since

relayed to me that he not only doesnt think surgery is needed, but

that it could potentially be more dammaging in the long run for Kai.

Dr Mosca concurred, saying that too much was involved in a foot like

Kai's to consider surgery. I am guessing that another medical study

would indeed show that that 5% statistic has dropped significantly.

Angel

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I would just like to interject here. This study that is being referenced is

regarding posterior release surgery only, correct? If there were only three

patients who needed this surgery, perhaps the feet were uncorrectable or so

stiff that they could not be adequately captured with an FAB. To assume that

these children needed to have posterior surgery because their parents were

noncompliant seems a little presumptious.

Of these 157 children, you didn't mention the number of children who needed

anterior releases who had been corrected with the Ponseti method. Does it

reference that anywhere in this report? This is the number I would be really

curious to see. It sure seems that lots of people are talking about having to

have ATTT surgery at three or 4 years old.

Although I am sure that parental noncompliance is definitely a factor in

relapses, I think that sometimes feet just relapse. After all, the shoes are

just leather that gets softer over time. When Rose's foot started to curve, Dr.

Mosca even said that sometimes this happens, even if the parent does everything

they are supposed to do. I could see in her shoe where her foot pushed the

leather out of the way.

I would venture to guess that no parent is perfect and we have all left the FAB

off once or twice, whether by accident or on purpose. Since no parent is going

to be perfect in there application of the FAB, parents make a pretty good scape

goat for relapses.

I just think we should keep this in mind and not beat parents up so much. The

fact that we do not hurl the FAB somewhere into the middle of next week is

testament that we understand how important it is.

Sorry for the rant.

Robin & Rose

3/12/03 Right Club Foot

Egbert martinegbert@...> wrote:

Kori,

When we were at the U of Iowa in 1999 or 2000, we once had heard Dr.

Dietz mention that for children who had begun the initial treatment

from near birth at the U of Iowa, that they had not needed to do a

posterior release type of surgery since the early 1980's.

My impression is that the few that may have had the surgery were

where treatment had been started somewhere else or if the FAB/DBB

had been discontinued by the parents and they were not able to get

the feet recorrected enough to avoid having to do a posterior

release type of surgery. In the recent U of Iowa study reported in

the Journal of Pediatrics, they indicated that they had treated 157

children from 1991 to 2001 and had to do 3 posterior release types

of surgery. Although I am not certain, my guess is that those 3

children had gone to Iowa after treatment elsewhere or were where

there was non-compliance in the use of the FAB/DBB

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/2/376

As Dr. Ponseti allows for in his statement as his web site, " Less

than 5% of infants born with clubfeet may have very severe, short,

plump feet with stiff ligaments, unyielding to stretching with a

deep transverse skin fold across the sole of the foot and another

crease above the heel. These babies require special treatment and

may need surgical correction. "

http://www.vh.org/pediatric/patient/orthopaedics/clubfeet/parents.htm

l

But as mentioned, for children with clubfoot associated with

arthrogryposis or genetic syndromes, that although the Ponseti

method helps that many of those children do need to have the

posterior release types of surgery.

The U of Iowa and others combined their treatment results to present

a paper on Arthrogryposis at the recent 2004 AAOS Convention.

http://www.aaos.org/wordhtml/anmt2004/sciprog/268.htm

and (3-17-99)

> " ...I wonder about one thing though - and I think I know the

answer

> but someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong... the 5% that

are

> difficult to correct are babies that have worn the DBB and still

not

> stayed corrected right? These babies get correction from casting

at

> first but relapse right? Or do they not respond to the casting

like

> the other 95% do? If someone could clarify I'd be thrilled to

clear

> that up for myself.... "

>

> Kori,

> When I was in Iowa in March, Dr. P and Dr. Morcuende stated that

they

> have not conducted a PMR at the hospital in years. They stated

that

> they now know how to treat the " resistant clubfoot " without

surgery.

> Yes, you're on the right track- our Kai, Chelsea, Asa etc. would

be

> that old 5% statistic. Now they are certain that 99-100% of

clubfeet

> can be corrected without reconstructive surgery, though it would

> probably take another medical study (which I'm sure is underway)

to

> be published to change that statistic officially. There are also

> complicated feet with conditions such as arthrogryposis to take

into

> account, though I know that they've had exceptional results with

> these cases as well.

>

> I hope this helps-

>

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