Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

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In a message dated 2/23/2003 2:10:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, smlsjl@...

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> Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and my

> husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes and carbs

> etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that I am

> lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or all of

> the above? I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of protein,

> and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

> is 'bad'? I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake mix

> called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can anyone

> give me an assist in this?

>

Welcome!!!!

My name is B and I am 7 plus years out from an open distal RNY. I

drink 5 protein shakes a day. I vary my protein shakes from EAS, Proscore,

Pure Whey Stack, Twin Labs, GNC, PB55, etc. I like the variety in the

thicknesses, sweetnesses, etc. Although i know a lot of posties use the same

brand all the time, I just choose not to. I started at 275, and am presently

152 lbs. I went through, and am still in recovery, from protein

malabsorption (not getting enough cuz I didn't drink shakes - and became a

" cracker queen " and didn't eat much) and became severely anemic. It's been a

long road - over a year now, in recovery, and my labs are still not right

yet. But, they are better than they were.

Anyway, I would suggest you start your shopping by going to <A

HREF= " www.vitalady.com " >www.vitalady.com</A>

and ordering samples from . She is our resident " mom " and had the

surgery done 8+ years ago and also so did her husband. She only carries

things that she would eat/drink herself, so you know they are good. Of

course, she doesn't drink anything but ProScore 100 or Pure Whey stack, and

of course, chocolate, but she's biased. LOL

GNC 100% whey stack is pretty good, I use that one in a pinch too, I like how

it mixes, and not too sweet.

Remember, a very good tip is to get in at LEAST 60 grams of protein per day

via shakes. Because you will be bypassed, your tiny tummy won't be able to

keep food in it long enough to break down those proteins from meats to do ya

a lot of good. I learned the hard way, believe me... and it's NO

FUN!!!!!!!!!! I strive for 150 grams a day, but I am a distal, which means

more malabsorption for me.

Welcome again to our group!!! Ask any questions and keep reading!

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/152

[Guest guest]

I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery .. to be

transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal RNY.. and to

reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at 392

pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished.. I am now

in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I live in

Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best decision I have

ever made.

Hugs,

from GA

open RNY 12/12/00

Revision 04/18/01

Revision 02/07/02

St wt.... 392

Cw.......187

Wt loss..-205

[Guest guest]

So, you're not alone, you at a Support Group meeting.

I'm , my surgery was 10/5/94 ( & 1/20/2000) and I was 262, now 112, give

or take, open RNY, very distal. Anyone else want to do the Support mtg intro?

And starting here is a good place.

********

I have already gone through my first 'interviews' or appts and am

scheduled for my first visit with the surgeon next month. At that

time she will decide if she will do the surgery for me and I think we

will get the date set. How hard is it to get insurance to authorize

this> Is there anything I can do to get the insurance sompany going

on this?

************* who's the doc, which surgery, which ins?

Open or Lap?? to be or not to be I guess is that question. In

speaking with the group that I have been with I ahve been told that

the recovery/back to work time is not really different with either

procedure.. amd I being 'snowed'???

************* we all have our preferences. I was open, both times, my choice.

Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and my

husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes and carbs

etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that I am

lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or all of

the above?

************** you don't care about bars, as they're not really protein for us.

Maybe, maybe not. That's a gamble. In protein shakes, you want somethign that

mixes with water, has appx 30g in a reasonable sized serving, and less than 6g

sugar for that 30g protein

I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of protein,

and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

is 'bad'?

************ sugar is bad. All around, unconditionally bad, inc " natural

sugars " . Though you can sorta use a bit of fruit with moderation. I forgot the

moderation and none of my jeans fit! Oops.

Healthy carbs are NOT bad, except when the moderation thing falls out of the

menu

I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake mix

called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can anyone

give me an assist in this?

************** is it an MRP?

Thank you so very much for listening to me ramble and for reading

this whole thing.

SOphia

[Guest guest]

> So, you're not alone, you at a Support Group meeting.

>

> I'm , my surgery was 10/5/94 ( & 1/20/2000) and I was 262,

now 112, give or take, open RNY, very distal. Anyone else want to do

the Support mtg intro?

>

> And starting here is a good place.

> ********

> I have already gone through my first 'interviews' or appts and am

> scheduled for my first visit with the surgeon next month. At that

> time she will decide if she will do the surgery for me and I think

we

> will get the date set. How hard is it to get insurance to

authorize

> this> Is there anything I can do to get the insurance sompany

going

> on this?

> ************* who's the doc, which surgery, which ins?

Dr Toder, Open (I think) BC/BS for Insurance

> Open or Lap?? to be or not to be I guess is that question. In

> speaking with the group that I have been with I ahve been told that

> the recovery/back to work time is not really different with either

> procedure.. amd I being 'snowed'???

> ************* we all have our preferences. I was open, both times,

my choice.

I was told that Lap was best by a lot of people.. Less invasive.

But then I have heard that if they can't do it by Lap you could come

out of surgery with open anyway...

> Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and my

> husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes and

carbs

> etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that I am

> lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or all of

> the above?

> ************** you don't care about bars, as they're not really

protein for us. Maybe, maybe not. That's a gamble. In protein shakes,

you want somethign that mixes with water, has appx 30g in a

reasonable sized serving, and less than 6g sugar for that 30g protein

Ok.. No Bars..(The ones I tried taste YUCKY). So am I looking at

carbs or sugar? The exact ready to drink shake they recommended for

me is the " EAS AdvantEdge Carb conrol shake " 15g of protein, 5g of

carbs, no sugar. But of course it is 4 servings per container of

11oz. I am not sure that I am ever going to get the numbers down..

> I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of protein,

> and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

> is 'bad'?

> ************ sugar is bad. All around, unconditionally bad,

inc " natural sugars " . Though you can sorta use a bit of fruit with

moderation. I forgot the moderation and none of my jeans fit! Oops.

HAHAHAHA none of my jeans fit NOW..

>

> Healthy carbs are NOT bad, except when the moderation thing falls

out of the menu

>

> I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake mix

> called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can anyone

> give me an assist in this?

> ************** is it an MRP?

Yes...it is advertised as the " first meal replacement shake " IS that

bad?

>

> Thank you so very much for listening to me ramble and for reading

> this whole thing.

>

> SOphia

>

Vitalady..I am on your website now looking at the samples...WOW there

are a lot!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Sophia,

Many surgeons are GREAT " cutters " however they lack the nutrition know-how. A

lot of us have found that we feel better drinking protein shakes, whether our

surgeons " approve " of them or not. We just cannot POSSIBLY get enough protein

from food. Carnation Instant Breakfast, Ensure, Boost, Slim Fast will make us

FAT and slow our weight loss down. The nutritionist may advocate skim milk is

good source of protein, however, why drink sugar-based protein (check the labels

on that milk) for about 9 grams, which could cause major lactose intolerance (

many of us are lactose intolerant after surgery), when the sugar will go to our

hips? Protein shakes are great because they have little to zero sugar content,

are pure protein which is readily used by our bodies for muscle growth, health,

tissue repair, etc. Protein from meats sits in our pouches and goes " oooh awwww

churnnnnn " and never does really break down into the branch chain amino acids

that our bodies need. This is because we are bypassed and the part of our

bodies that contributed in the past to breaking down those proteins is now

" missing " or not in full use. Therefore, we need protein shakes as they are

" predigested " and already broken down for us. Voilla! Instant protein

absorption without the work!!! Hair, skin, nails, muscles, all are looking

good. Of course, if you get a lack of protein, then it's gray ghost time :-)

A tip for you, when you get your first pre op labs, ASK FOR COPIES of them and

get a 3 ring notebook to keep track of them yourself. When you get your next

labs ask for another copy and COMPARE them to your first labs. For instance, my

preop protein level was 7.4, postop was 6.9, then continued to drop until I

crashed at 5.8. Because I moved out of state, I wasn't getting regular labs cuz

I hadn't been in touch with my surgeon who DID keep track of downward turns in

my labs previously. He does encourage protein shakes - in fact, you have to

sign an agreement that you will take them for life and all of your suppes...

Ummmm.... I wasn't very compliant after the move and paid the price - 15 weeks

off with no income, and sleeping, and IV iron 3 times a week, and IV vitamins,

etc., etc., so weak. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh... Anyway, nuff about me.

Some of the members on this list are actually just smiling and nodding to their

docs when they ask about CIB or Boost, etc., but they NEVER drink that stuff

(besides, they give BOOST to make elderly GAIN weight), and just drink their

protein shakes... The choice is yours. I would suggest going to

OSSG-PROTEIN (AT) YAHOOGROUPS (DOT) COM and signing up with them too. You can learn lots

there.

Ask any questions you like. Oh, and yeah, " mom " has a great schpeel on distal

versus proximal and I bet if you asked real nicely she would send it to you.

Distal means more malabsorption, more vitamins, more protein to stay healthy.

Proximal means less malabsorption, less vites, sometimes recommendations of zero

protein except from food.

My advice, and your mileage may vary, is to go with your heart, and keep

reading. You will find a wealth of information out there. I know I have.

Take care,

B

[Guest guest]

Yes Mom Sophia I am My surgery was January 7th 2002 and I have now

lost 130 pounds I have thirty to go

I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

>

>

> > Hello..My name is Sophia, and I am obese.... Sorry.. the way I

> > started the sentence made me feel like I was at an AA meeting or

> > something. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with that statement

> > either. I guess it is just really hard to 'jump' in and start

> > talking in a group. I have so many questions and I am not sure where

> > to start.

> >

> > I have already gone through my first 'interviews' or appts and am

> > scheduled for my first visit with the surgeon next month. At that

> > time she will decide if she will do the surgery for me and I think we

> > will get the date set. How hard is it to get insurance to authorize

> > this> Is there anything I can do to get the insurance sompany going

> > on this?

> >

> > Open or Lap?? to be or not to be I guess is that question. In

> > speaking with the group that I have been with I ahve been told that

> > the recovery/back to work time is not really different with either

> > procedure.. amd I being 'snowed'???

> >

> > Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and my

> > husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes and carbs

> > etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that I am

> > lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or all of

> > the above? I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of protein,

> > and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

> > is 'bad'? I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake mix

> > called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can anyone

> > give me an assist in this?

> >

> > Thank you so very much for listening to me ramble and for reading

> > this whole thing.

> >

> > SOphia

> >

> >

> > To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email to

> GBCookbook-subscribe@...

> >

[Guest guest]

you need to save this post and just send to newbies and change the

name very good my lady

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

> Hi Sophia,

> Many surgeons are GREAT " cutters " however they lack the nutrition

know-how. A lot of us have found that we feel better drinking protein

shakes, whether our surgeons " approve " of them or not. We just cannot

POSSIBLY get enough protein from food. Carnation Instant Breakfast, Ensure,

Boost, Slim Fast will make us FAT and slow our weight loss down. The

nutritionist may advocate skim milk is good source of protein, however, why

drink sugar-based protein (check the labels on that milk) for about 9 grams,

which could cause major lactose intolerance ( many of us are lactose

intolerant after surgery), when the sugar will go to our hips? Protein

shakes are great because they have little to zero sugar content, are pure

protein which is readily used by our bodies for muscle growth, health,

tissue repair, etc. Protein from meats sits in our pouches and goes " oooh

awwww churnnnnn " and never does really break down into the branch chain

amino acids that our bodies need. This is because we are bypassed and the

part of our bodies that contributed in the past to breaking down those

proteins is now " missing " or not in full use. Therefore, we need protein

shakes as they are " predigested " and already broken down for us. Voilla!

Instant protein absorption without the work!!! Hair, skin, nails, muscles,

all are looking good. Of course, if you get a lack of protein, then it's

gray ghost time :-)

>

> A tip for you, when you get your first pre op labs, ASK FOR COPIES of them

and get a 3 ring notebook to keep track of them yourself. When you get your

next labs ask for another copy and COMPARE them to your first labs. For

instance, my preop protein level was 7.4, postop was 6.9, then continued to

drop until I crashed at 5.8. Because I moved out of state, I wasn't getting

regular labs cuz I hadn't been in touch with my surgeon who DID keep track

of downward turns in my labs previously. He does encourage protein shakes -

in fact, you have to sign an agreement that you will take them for life and

all of your suppes... Ummmm.... I wasn't very compliant after the move and

paid the price - 15 weeks off with no income, and sleeping, and IV iron 3

times a week, and IV vitamins, etc., etc., so weak. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh...

Anyway, nuff about me.

>

> Some of the members on this list are actually just smiling and nodding to

their docs when they ask about CIB or Boost, etc., but they NEVER drink that

stuff (besides, they give BOOST to make elderly GAIN weight), and just drink

their protein shakes... The choice is yours. I would suggest going to

OSSG-PROTEIN (AT) YAHOOGROUPS (DOT) COM and signing up with them too. You can learn

lots there.

>

> Ask any questions you like. Oh, and yeah, " mom " has a great schpeel on

distal versus proximal and I bet if you asked real nicely she would send it

to you. Distal means more malabsorption, more vitamins, more protein to

stay healthy. Proximal means less malabsorption, less vites, sometimes

recommendations of zero protein except from food.

>

> My advice, and your mileage may vary, is to go with your heart, and keep

reading. You will find a wealth of information out there. I know I have.

>

> Take care,

> B

>

> To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email to

GBCookbook-subscribe@...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sophia and welcome to the group. Nice to have you with us. Insurance

hassles have a lot to do with the particular company you are working with. Open

versus Lap has been debated a lot. I had an open procedure and did just fine.

Some Lap people swear that that is the only way to go. Not everyone qualifies

for Lap because they are too big or have too much scar tissue from previous

surgeries. For protein, I'd recommend going to www.vitalady.com and ordering

some samples. , the site owner, is also called Mom here on this list

because she takes such good care of us. So when someone refers to Mom that's

who they're talking about. It's best to mix protein with just water and ice.

Take care.

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

[Guest guest]

Hi !!! Nice to meet you..

> Sophia just wanted to say Hi and welcome to the group . I am

from TN

> . I can tell you that if you go to www.vitalady.com anything she

has is good

> for RNY Patients

>

> 310-180- 30 to go

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .. Nice to meet you. I appreciate everyone who is willing to

share with me. Some of the stories have really made me nervous!!!!

But not changed my mind! I am questioning the hoops that they are

making me jump through when the dieticians aren't quite up to speed

on the ins and outs yet.

Thank you!!!

Sophia

> I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

> disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery ..

to be

> transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal

RNY.. and to

> reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at

392

> pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished..

I am now

> in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

> I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I

live in

> Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best

decision I have

> ever made.

> Hugs,

>

> from GA

> open RNY 12/12/00

> Revision 04/18/01

> Revision 02/07/02

> St wt.... 392

> Cw.......187

> Wt loss..-205

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .. Nice to meet you. I appreciate everyone who is willing to

share with me. Some of the stories have really made me nervous!!!!

But not changed my mind! I am questioning the hoops that they are

making me jump through when the dieticians aren't quite up to speed

on the ins and outs yet.

Thank you!!!

Sophia

> I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

> disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery ..

to be

> transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal

RNY.. and to

> reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at

392

> pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished..

I am now

> in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

> I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I

live in

> Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best

decision I have

> ever made.

> Hugs,

>

> from GA

> open RNY 12/12/00

> Revision 04/18/01

> Revision 02/07/02

> St wt.... 392

> Cw.......187

> Wt loss..-205

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .. Nice to meet you. I appreciate everyone who is willing to

share with me. Some of the stories have really made me nervous!!!!

But not changed my mind! I am questioning the hoops that they are

making me jump through when the dieticians aren't quite up to speed

on the ins and outs yet.

Thank you!!!

Sophia

> I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

> disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery ..

to be

> transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal

RNY.. and to

> reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at

392

> pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished..

I am now

> in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

> I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I

live in

> Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best

decision I have

> ever made.

> Hugs,

>

> from GA

> open RNY 12/12/00

> Revision 04/18/01

> Revision 02/07/02

> St wt.... 392

> Cw.......187

> Wt loss..-205

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

- Your intro. is a mouthful and a half! Don't try to get it all in, in one

breath. LOL!

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery .. to be

transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal RNY.. and to

reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at 392

pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished.. I am now

in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I live in

Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best decision I have

ever made.

Hugs,

from GA

open RNY 12/12/00

Revision 04/18/01

Revision 02/07/02

St wt.... 392

Cw.......187

Wt loss..-205

[Guest guest]

- Your intro. is a mouthful and a half! Don't try to get it all in, in one

breath. LOL!

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

I am , I am an open RNY.. surgery was 12/00 , had a staple line

disruption and marginal ulcer that perforated.. revision surgery .. to be

transected and resect ulcer.. 04/01.. had a revision to a distal RNY.. and to

reconstruct my pouch which didnt work.. 02/02... I started out at 392

pounds, down to 187 and hoping to get to 140 before I am finished.. I am now

in mostly size 14/16/s.. and enjoying life..

I guess that concludes my support group meeting intro.. oh, and I live in

Ga.. had my last surgery in Washington.. and it was the best decision I have

ever made.

Hugs,

from GA

open RNY 12/12/00

Revision 04/18/01

Revision 02/07/02

St wt.... 392

Cw.......187

Wt loss..-205

[Guest guest]

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

..THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! I have read so much on all

of the types of surgery, but very little on the diet and nutrition.

I 'stumbled' across this group in my searches and it is the best

thing that has happened!!! I am printing this out to show my husband

as he is learning right along with me. (He is even trying all of the

vitamins and drinks).

I will look in on the other group too.

Vitalady...Would you please email me the spheel that mentioned

about distal.....Thank you

Sophia

-- In GastricBypass-InfoCentral , 71160@a...

wrote:

> Hi Sophia,

> Many surgeons are GREAT " cutters " however they lack the nutrition

know-how. A lot of us have found that we feel better drinking

protein shakes, whether our surgeons " approve " of them or not. We

just cannot POSSIBLY get enough protein from food. Carnation Instant

Breakfast, Ensure, Boost, Slim Fast will make us FAT and slow our

weight loss down. The nutritionist may advocate skim milk is good

source of protein, however, why drink sugar-based protein (check the

labels on that milk) for about 9 grams, which could cause major

lactose intolerance ( many of us are lactose intolerant after

surgery), when the sugar will go to our hips? Protein shakes are

great because they have little to zero sugar content, are pure

protein which is readily used by our bodies for muscle growth,

health, tissue repair, etc. Protein from meats sits in our pouches

and goes " oooh awwww churnnnnn " and never does really break down into

the branch chain amino acids that our bodies need. This is because

we are bypassed and the part of our bodies that contributed in the

past to breaking down those proteins is now " missing " or not in full

use. Therefore, we need protein shakes as they are " predigested " and

already broken down for us. Voilla! Instant protein absorption

without the work!!! Hair, skin, nails, muscles, all are looking

good. Of course, if you get a lack of protein, then it's gray ghost

time :-)

>

> A tip for you, when you get your first pre op labs, ASK FOR COPIES

of them and get a 3 ring notebook to keep track of them yourself.

When you get your next labs ask for another copy and COMPARE them to

your first labs. For instance, my preop protein level was 7.4,

postop was 6.9, then continued to drop until I crashed at 5.8.

Because I moved out of state, I wasn't getting regular labs cuz I

hadn't been in touch with my surgeon who DID keep track of downward

turns in my labs previously. He does encourage protein shakes - in

fact, you have to sign an agreement that you will take them for life

and all of your suppes... Ummmm.... I wasn't very compliant after the

move and paid the price - 15 weeks off with no income, and sleeping,

and IV iron 3 times a week, and IV vitamins, etc., etc., so weak.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh... Anyway, nuff about me.

>

> Some of the members on this list are actually just smiling and

nodding to their docs when they ask about CIB or Boost, etc., but

they NEVER drink that stuff (besides, they give BOOST to make elderly

GAIN weight), and just drink their protein shakes... The choice is

yours. I would suggest going to OSSG-PROTEIN@Y... and signing up

with them too. You can learn lots there.

>

> Ask any questions you like. Oh, and yeah, " mom " has a great

schpeel on distal versus proximal and I bet if you asked real nicely

she would send it to you. Distal means more malabsorption, more

vitamins, more protein to stay healthy. Proximal means less

malabsorption, less vites, sometimes recommendations of zero protein

except from food.

>

> My advice, and your mileage may vary, is to go with your heart, and

keep reading. You will find a wealth of information out there. I

know I have.

>

> Take care,

> B

[Guest guest]

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

> Yes Mom Sophia I am My surgery was January 7th 2002 and I

have now

> lost 130 pounds I have thirty to go

>

>

> I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

> >

> >

> > > Hello..My name is Sophia, and I am obese.... Sorry.. the

way I

> > > started the sentence made me feel like I was at an AA meeting

or

> > > something. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with that

statement

> > > either. I guess it is just really hard to 'jump' in and start

> > > talking in a group. I have so many questions and I am not

sure where

> > > to start.

> > >

> > > I have already gone through my first 'interviews' or appts

and am

> > > scheduled for my first visit with the surgeon next month. At

that

> > > time she will decide if she will do the surgery for me and I

think we

> > > will get the date set. How hard is it to get insurance to

authorize

> > > this> Is there anything I can do to get the insurance

sompany going

> > > on this?

> > >

> > > Open or Lap?? to be or not to be I guess is that question.

In

> > > speaking with the group that I have been with I ahve been

told that

> > > the recovery/back to work time is not really different with

either

> > > procedure.. amd I being 'snowed'???

> > >

> > > Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and

my

> > > husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes

and carbs

> > > etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that

I am

> > > lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or

all of

> > > the above? I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of

protein,

> > > and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

> > > is 'bad'? I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake

mix

> > > called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can

anyone

> > > give me an assist in this?

> > >

> > > Thank you so very much for listening to me ramble and for

reading

> > > this whole thing.

> > >

> > > SOphia

> > >

> > >

> > > To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an

email to

> > GBCookbook-subscribe@t...

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree!!!

> you need to save this post and just send to newbies and

change the

> name very good my lady

>

>

> Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

>

>

> > Hi Sophia,

> > Many surgeons are GREAT " cutters " however they lack the nutrition

> know-how. A lot of us have found that we feel better drinking

protein

> shakes, whether our surgeons " approve " of them or not. We just

cannot

> POSSIBLY get enough protein from food. Carnation Instant

Breakfast, Ensure,

> Boost, Slim Fast will make us FAT and slow our weight loss down.

The

> nutritionist may advocate skim milk is good source of protein,

however, why

> drink sugar-based protein (check the labels on that milk) for about

9 grams,

> which could cause major lactose intolerance ( many of us are lactose

> intolerant after surgery), when the sugar will go to our hips?

Protein

> shakes are great because they have little to zero sugar content,

are pure

> protein which is readily used by our bodies for muscle growth,

health,

> tissue repair, etc. Protein from meats sits in our pouches and

goes " oooh

> awwww churnnnnn " and never does really break down into the branch

chain

> amino acids that our bodies need. This is because we are bypassed

and the

> part of our bodies that contributed in the past to breaking down

those

> proteins is now " missing " or not in full use. Therefore, we need

protein

> shakes as they are " predigested " and already broken down for us.

Voilla!

> Instant protein absorption without the work!!! Hair, skin, nails,

muscles,

> all are looking good. Of course, if you get a lack of protein,

then it's

> gray ghost time :-)

> >

> > A tip for you, when you get your first pre op labs, ASK FOR

COPIES of them

> and get a 3 ring notebook to keep track of them yourself. When you

get your

> next labs ask for another copy and COMPARE them to your first

labs. For

> instance, my preop protein level was 7.4, postop was 6.9, then

continued to

> drop until I crashed at 5.8. Because I moved out of state, I

wasn't getting

> regular labs cuz I hadn't been in touch with my surgeon who DID

keep track

> of downward turns in my labs previously. He does encourage protein

shakes -

> in fact, you have to sign an agreement that you will take them for

life and

> all of your suppes... Ummmm.... I wasn't very compliant after the

move and

> paid the price - 15 weeks off with no income, and sleeping, and IV

iron 3

> times a week, and IV vitamins, etc., etc., so weak.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh...

> Anyway, nuff about me.

> >

> > Some of the members on this list are actually just smiling and

nodding to

> their docs when they ask about CIB or Boost, etc., but they NEVER

drink that

> stuff (besides, they give BOOST to make elderly GAIN weight), and

just drink

> their protein shakes... The choice is yours. I would suggest going

to

> OSSG-PROTEIN@Y... and signing up with them too. You can learn

> lots there.

> >

> > Ask any questions you like. Oh, and yeah, " mom " has a great

schpeel on

> distal versus proximal and I bet if you asked real nicely she would

send it

> to you. Distal means more malabsorption, more vitamins, more

protein to

> stay healthy. Proximal means less malabsorption, less vites,

sometimes

> recommendations of zero protein except from food.

> >

> > My advice, and your mileage may vary, is to go with your heart,

and keep

> reading. You will find a wealth of information out there. I know I

have.

> >

> > Take care,

> > B

> >

> > To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email

to

> GBCookbook-subscribe@t...

> >

[Guest guest]

Um, except I'm chatting with you. How can I fix it & chat at the same

time??? lol. What was the error message?

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

Um, except I'm chatting with you. How can I fix it & chat at the same

time??? lol. What was the error message?

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

Um, except I'm chatting with you. How can I fix it & chat at the same

time??? lol. What was the error message?

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Terry will fix it

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

Great...I will make sure that there are no MRP's.. You know, I

have been doing research on this for a little while, but have more

information on diet from tonight alone!!! You guys are GREAT!!!

I hope the next time my jeans don't fit is because they are falling

off too.. (My husband is grinning)

ps. I tried to order a bunch of samples and got an error message???

Sophia

> And NO MRP's in sight, anywhere. Some do use them, but I do not

think they're appropriate for us. They're made for an athlete who

needs to get more calories, more meals than he can realistically get

in food. That would not be us.

>

> It's easy to find one that fits the 30/6 rule once you open the

right door. LOL!

>

> Well, I hope the NEXT time you say your jeans don't fit, it's cuz

they're sliding down your backside! LOL!

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm ....

No wait, I'm Terry. My WLS was 9/26/00, revision to a distal/tummy

tuck/hysterectomy 9/26/02. I've lost 175.5 pounds going from 339 to 163.5 -

a very tight 32/34 to a size 10. Couldn't be happier! Well, I'm not

thrilled with all the extra skin, but I'll take care of that.

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

I am new here...Thank you for letting me join

>

>

> > Hello..My name is Sophia, and I am obese.... Sorry.. the way I

> > started the sentence made me feel like I was at an AA meeting or

> > something. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with that statement

> > either. I guess it is just really hard to 'jump' in and start

> > talking in a group. I have so many questions and I am not sure

where

> > to start.

> >

> > I have already gone through my first 'interviews' or appts and am

> > scheduled for my first visit with the surgeon next month. At that

> > time she will decide if she will do the surgery for me and I think

we

> > will get the date set. How hard is it to get insurance to authorize

> > this> Is there anything I can do to get the insurance sompany going

> > on this?

> >

> > Open or Lap?? to be or not to be I guess is that question. In

> > speaking with the group that I have been with I ahve been told that

> > the recovery/back to work time is not really different with either

> > procedure.. amd I being 'snowed'???

> >

> > Another question I have is that I have seen my dietician and my

> > husband and I have been researching the protiens and shakes and

carbs

> > etc.. I have so many numbers kicking around in my head that I am

> > lost!!! WHAT am I looking for in a shake, or protien bar or all of

> > the above? I mean I know I am looking for lots of grams of protein,

> > and that sugar is bad as well as carbs are bad...But how much

> > is 'bad'? I was in GNC and the clerk recommended this shake mix

> > called " Met-RX', but there were a lot of carbs in it...Can anyone

> > give me an assist in this?

> >

> > Thank you so very much for listening to me ramble and for reading

> > this whole thing.

> >

> > SOphia

> >

> >

> > To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email to

> GBCookbook-subscribe@...

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your advice.. Do you know how I can 'light a fire'

under my particular insurances hiney? I have been told that I

qualify for both types of surgeries. My husband and I have discussed

it and decided on the open. Thank you again

Sophia

> Hi Sophia and welcome to the group. Nice to have you with us.

Insurance hassles have a lot to do with the particular company you

are working with. Open versus Lap has been debated a lot. I had an

open procedure and did just fine. Some Lap people swear that that is

the only way to go. Not everyone qualifies for Lap because they are

too big or have too much scar tissue from previous surgeries. For

protein, I'd recommend going to www.vitalady.com and ordering some

samples. , the site owner, is also called Mom here on this

list because she takes such good care of us. So when someone refers

to Mom that's who they're talking about. It's best to mix protein

with just water and ice. Take care.

>

> Jeanne in WI

> Age 39

> Open RNY - 5/21/02

> Dr. Chua

> 5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

>

>

>