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Cherie,

I'm new to this group as well, but wanted to reply to your post.

My daughter had her CI turned on at the age of 2 years 9 months and

she had 3-4 words at the time. (I believe we have actually

corresponded before, as my daughter also has AN and lost her hearing

at 16 months old and we don't know why). She started in an Oral

preschool class when she turned 3 in February and come May they said

she didn't qualify for summer services. It was the same reason you

were given - she would not regress over summer without services. Fact

is, we are dedicated parents that work with our children every day.

Our kids will probably not actually REGRESS without the school's

instruction. They may not move forward quite as much as they would

with their instruction (I mean, if I felt I could do as good of a job

for her myself, then why would she be there in the first place?) but

she's not going to come back from break saying less than she was when

break started.

In fact, we have found it to be quite the opposite. Each time

is on break from school (Winter, Summer) she goes back to school and I

comment to her teacher a couple of weeks later how much more she is

saying/doing compared to what she was doing with me at home. Her

teacher then laughs and says that she really thought that was

doing so much more when she returned to school from break! I really

think that is consistently improving, but it's hard for us to

see when we are with her ALL the time, and it's hard for her teacher

to see when she is with her all the time.

I DO understand your concern. Grace has a lot of catching up to do,

as did/does. However, the fact that they do not have services

through the Summer from school will probably not make them actually do

less than what they are doing now.

I encourage you to continue to lobby for Summer services if you feel

she needs it. I would ask what the Summer services would consist of

first, though, before you get blue in the face. When I asked what

they would consist of for us it was a few weeks of instruction for an

hour a day a few days during those weeks. It really did not compare

to what she was getting during the regular school year of 5 hours a

day every day, but all that they could offer for Summer.

Good luck!

Randi

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Cherie, there is another reason that summer services can be given and that is

emerging skills - you would lose the momentum of the past 2.5 months of school

without the services. She is already behind in language and will fall further

behind without continual services.

However, in our county, there are NO services in the schools for the summer.

An outside group puts on an " educational " camp with at risk kids working with

the kids with disabilities. Not appropriate at all for learning language and

auditory skills.

You might be able to contract with someone to do more of an auditory verbal

thing, where you are given skills to work on with your child and coaching and

support in learning how to do that. Are you anywhere near an auditory verbal

center or is there someone from the school who would be willing to work with

your child during the summer. Sometimes if you find something you want then it

is just the problem of getting them to pay for it. in GA

Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child

>

>Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But

>I have an educational question and this group knows the most about

>education!

>

>My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been

>hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own

>and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of

>communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half-

>day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or

>services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can

>the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a

>letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to

>continue to her formal education.

>

>I asked about summer school last fall and was given the

>standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve

>summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language,

>I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will

>regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that

>idea.

>

>Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do

>not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived

>from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get

>summer school so they can catch up??

>

>I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to

>Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great!

>

>Thanks,

>Cherie

>, 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06

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Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any

services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with

a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire

school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural

therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under

our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that

Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now,

they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying

about how she says things, only that she is getting it.

I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her

to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No

lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at

home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do

try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to

really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I

can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great.

Great for Grace and great for my checkbook.

To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for

them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and

hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run.

Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer

auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would

be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer

school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for

therapy in the fall once school started again.

I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can

handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay.

Cherie

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Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any

services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with

a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire

school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural

therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under

our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that

Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now,

they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying

about how she says things, only that she is getting it.

I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her

to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No

lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at

home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do

try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to

really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I

can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great.

Great for Grace and great for my checkbook.

To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for

them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and

hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run.

Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer

auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would

be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer

school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for

therapy in the fall once school started again.

I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can

handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay.

Cherie

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Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any

services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with

a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire

school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural

therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under

our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that

Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now,

they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying

about how she says things, only that she is getting it.

I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her

to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No

lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at

home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do

try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to

really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I

can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great.

Great for Grace and great for my checkbook.

To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for

them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and

hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run.

Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer

auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would

be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer

school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for

therapy in the fall once school started again.

I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can

handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay.

Cherie

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Dear Cherie,

Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for

two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different.

We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I

would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear

infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second

one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you

more. Take care and God Bless.

Natasha~Mom to~

(8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00)

*Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome,

Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia,

Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis,

FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss,

CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04

Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm

www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm

www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra

Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child

Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But

I have an educational question and this group knows the most about

education!

My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been

hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own

and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of

communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half-

day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or

services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can

the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a

letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to

continue to her formal education.

I asked about summer school last fall and was given the

standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve

summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language,

I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will

regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that

idea.

Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do

not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived

from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get

summer school so they can catch up??

I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to

Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great!

Thanks,

Cherie

, 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06

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Dear Cherie,

Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for

two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different.

We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I

would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear

infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second

one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you

more. Take care and God Bless.

Natasha~Mom to~

(8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00)

*Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome,

Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia,

Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis,

FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss,

CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04

Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm

www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm

www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra

Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child

Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But

I have an educational question and this group knows the most about

education!

My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been

hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own

and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of

communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half-

day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or

services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can

the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a

letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to

continue to her formal education.

I asked about summer school last fall and was given the

standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve

summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language,

I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will

regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that

idea.

Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do

not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived

from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get

summer school so they can catch up??

I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to

Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great!

Thanks,

Cherie

, 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06

All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

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Dear Cherie,

Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for

two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different.

We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I

would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear

infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second

one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you

more. Take care and God Bless.

Natasha~Mom to~

(8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00)

*Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome,

Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia,

Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis,

FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss,

CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04

Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm

www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm

www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra

Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child

Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But

I have an educational question and this group knows the most about

education!

My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been

hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own

and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of

communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half-

day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or

services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can

the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a

letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to

continue to her formal education.

I asked about summer school last fall and was given the

standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve

summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language,

I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will

regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that

idea.

Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do

not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived

from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get

summer school so they can catch up??

I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to

Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great!

Thanks,

Cherie

, 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06

All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

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Based on my daughter's reading scores, this is what we've used since

we moved to PA in order to get ESY. In California, she

automatically qualified for ESY - each march we would just get the

form from the school and sign it and send it in. I know there are

kids that can get ESY here but the parents are not aware of the

rules, so they aren't getting the ESY.

I was --- In But I

> would argue that a child who is already behind the levels of her

peers does not

> need to prove regression -- she is STILL CATCHING UP.

>

> I would steel myself to argue that a four-year-old with a 10

words

> vocabulary is not on par with her hearing peers, and is therefore

starting already

> behind. Given the circumstances, I would argue that regression is

not a valid

> topic. I would also argue that there is no acceptable level of

regression when

> a child has yet to reach the level of her peers.

>

>

> This is hard for a parent -- you have to step outside yourself and

try to be

> dispassionate. It was so hard for me to use the right vocabulary,

words I

> don't use when talking about my son in any other forum (except

here, of

> course). It took practicing over lunch with my best friend to use

the words " my son

> will be deaf " and " brain damage " in sentences without flinching or

worse --

> crying. I had to be able to do it while staring into the eyes of

the person

> across the table, basically daring them to contradict me. The

first time I did

> it, I swear I died a little inside, but now I can discuss

everything about

> Ian relatively dispassionately. I sometimes get mad, but I never

feel like

> crying any more.

>

>

> Also, elementary teachers know that ALL children regress over

vacation --

> they plan for it. Teachers are specifically taught to expect to

review a bit

> after a break, before getting moving onto new content. The

expected regression

> over a winter break is less that what's expected over summer

vacation. The

> review that teachers do every fall as two purposes. One is to

determine the

> kids' individual abilities and levels, and second: to review and

ease the kids

> into the new year.

>

> I would argue that since your daughter is beginning any school day

behind,

> regression is not an appropriate topic of discussion. Once she

reaches parity

> with her peers, then it would be germane. But until that day

arrives, she

> needs services throughout the year to help her reach her age

appropriate goals.

> And that would include summer services.

>

> If your district has plans for your child to be mainstreamed into

their

> class structure, then need to support her NOW in order to increase

her abilities

> so that she can function in that setting. Otherwise, there will

have to be

> other, more expensive, services needed to support her throughout

her

> educational future.

>

> Hope this helps. If not, then ask more questions and I'll try

again.

>

> I wish you well ... Jill

>

>

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>> If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with a TOD each week that would be

>> great.<<

Hi Cherie. You're getting some great advice here, but I'd like to chat a bit

about the AVT aspect (and my son is an AVT graduate). When it comes to AVT,

more does not necessarily equal better - but then again, that can depend on

the AVT's style and how she approaches things. The first time we went to an

AVT session, the therapist told me " It's not my job to teach your son.

That's your job. My job is to teach you how to do this and I'll teach you by

demonstrating and working with your son. " and almost every Certified AVT who

I've told that to has asked permission to use it. I never had a session

where she didn't ask me what skill she was working on, how we would know

when my son mastered that skill, other ways of working on that skill, what

was the next skill that logically came after this one, etc. I was the one

who got 'homework' and a weekly challenge (to see if I could teach my son

some specific something).

>> right now, they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much

>> worrying about how she says things, only that she is getting it.<<

Absolutely right. AVT strives for the child to learn as close to the normal

route as possible. Children without a hearing loss have about a year of

hearing before they are expected to speak. That's why they refer to not only

a chronological age, but also a listening age. She needs to learn about

sounds, noise, language, words, tone of voice, etc.

>>I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her

to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No

lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at

home because I am Mom!<<

Isn't it great to know your child is normal in this? ;-)

Seriously, I never did cover my mouth when working with my son. What I would

do with him is if I saw him watching my mouth, I would direct his attention

elsewhere. Actually, I would come up with activities that would keep both

his eyes and his ears busy. For a lot of things I did with him, he would sit

on my lap facing away from me. This not only made it difficult for him to

watch my lips, but it also put my mouth up close to his ear, which forced me

to lower my voice with him which actually reduces distortion and makes your

voice easier to understand.

Are you doing your sessions at the table like in therapy? Some of them can

be done that way, but you'll get way better results if you make it FUN and

relevant to her world. I fould that JD learned words faster if they were the

ones he would use or that had meaning to him, instead of a bunch of words

from a list.

>> She won't play the games with me.<<

That's where the beauty of JD's therapists strategy comes in. By teaching me

about his therapy, I was able to work just about every lesson we were

working on into a wide variety of activities. You can find loads of ideas

here:

http://www.listen-up.org/oral/languag2.htm

(I see I need to update a few of the links on that page...sorry.)

I had the best results when I was able to fit whatever the lesson was into

whatever had JD's interest at the time. My hubby often called me an

opportunist because it seemed to him that I could (and would) turn just

about anything into a session. He even wrote an article once for a magazine

and in it he talked about his wife must have caught some sort of insanity

because she was often out digging for bugs with our toddler.

Hugs to all,

-Kay

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Kay, thank you for the great information. And everyone's info and

comments. I printed Jill's to make sure I remember some of her

points during the IEP meeting.

For me to think that Grace will sit down and actually play a

listening game with me is nuts. Everything I do with her is around

normal daily activities and normal topics of conversation. If we're

reading a book and she is signing what she knows, I just continue to

fill in the blanks with the words and try to get her to say what she

can. She used to sign 'thank you', then she would sign it and say it

when prompted, then she would just say it when prompted, and now I

can say " What do you say? " behind her back when someone gives her

something, and she says 'thank you' all on her own. So she can hear

me and knows how to answer 'What do you say?'. I imagine everything

will follow a similar pattern. Mostly, we talk to her like a normal

4yo, and use signs when she just doesn't understand.

I just think that she knows when she is in a formal setting and she

does cooperate with them and she does pick up new stuff. (I was on

the swingset with her the other day and she said " PUSH! " for me to

push her. I didn't even know she knew that word or concept!!) And

it will only help Grace and everyone to have her speaking as quickly

as possible. If summer school can help that along, then that's what

we're going to do.

Thank you!

Cherie

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