Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cherie, I'm new to this group as well, but wanted to reply to your post. My daughter had her CI turned on at the age of 2 years 9 months and she had 3-4 words at the time. (I believe we have actually corresponded before, as my daughter also has AN and lost her hearing at 16 months old and we don't know why). She started in an Oral preschool class when she turned 3 in February and come May they said she didn't qualify for summer services. It was the same reason you were given - she would not regress over summer without services. Fact is, we are dedicated parents that work with our children every day. Our kids will probably not actually REGRESS without the school's instruction. They may not move forward quite as much as they would with their instruction (I mean, if I felt I could do as good of a job for her myself, then why would she be there in the first place?) but she's not going to come back from break saying less than she was when break started. In fact, we have found it to be quite the opposite. Each time is on break from school (Winter, Summer) she goes back to school and I comment to her teacher a couple of weeks later how much more she is saying/doing compared to what she was doing with me at home. Her teacher then laughs and says that she really thought that was doing so much more when she returned to school from break! I really think that is consistently improving, but it's hard for us to see when we are with her ALL the time, and it's hard for her teacher to see when she is with her all the time. I DO understand your concern. Grace has a lot of catching up to do, as did/does. However, the fact that they do not have services through the Summer from school will probably not make them actually do less than what they are doing now. I encourage you to continue to lobby for Summer services if you feel she needs it. I would ask what the Summer services would consist of first, though, before you get blue in the face. When I asked what they would consist of for us it was a few weeks of instruction for an hour a day a few days during those weeks. It really did not compare to what she was getting during the regular school year of 5 hours a day every day, but all that they could offer for Summer. Good luck! Randi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cherie, there is another reason that summer services can be given and that is emerging skills - you would lose the momentum of the past 2.5 months of school without the services. She is already behind in language and will fall further behind without continual services. However, in our county, there are NO services in the schools for the summer. An outside group puts on an " educational " camp with at risk kids working with the kids with disabilities. Not appropriate at all for learning language and auditory skills. You might be able to contract with someone to do more of an auditory verbal thing, where you are given skills to work on with your child and coaching and support in learning how to do that. Are you anywhere near an auditory verbal center or is there someone from the school who would be willing to work with your child during the summer. Sometimes if you find something you want then it is just the problem of getting them to pay for it. in GA Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child > >Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But >I have an educational question and this group knows the most about >education! > >My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been >hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own >and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of >communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half- >day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or >services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can >the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a >letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to >continue to her formal education. > >I asked about summer school last fall and was given the >standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve >summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language, >I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will >regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that >idea. > >Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do >not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived >from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get >summer school so they can catch up?? > >I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to >Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great! > >Thanks, >Cherie >, 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06 > > > > > >All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now, they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying about how she says things, only that she is getting it. I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great. Great for Grace and great for my checkbook. To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run. Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for therapy in the fall once school started again. I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay. Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now, they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying about how she says things, only that she is getting it. I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great. Great for Grace and great for my checkbook. To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run. Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for therapy in the fall once school started again. I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay. Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Thank you for the information. I would be happy with almost any services offered to Grace. If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with a TOD each week that would be great. It doesn't have to be an entire school program at all. We already do an hour of private aural therapy every other week but we are limited to 20 visits a year under our insurance. This therapy counts as speech therapy. I agree that Grace needs to continue what she is learning and mostly, right now, they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much worrying about how she says things, only that she is getting it. I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at home because I am Mom! She won't play the games with me. But I do try to talk to her without letting her see my mouth so she has to really think about what she heard. And she is getting it. But if I can get a few hours a week of free service for her, that's great. Great for Grace and great for my checkbook. To me, it just makes sense to frontload these services and pay for them now so Grace can be mainstreamed as soon as possible and hopefully no services will be needed in the long-run. Has anyone ever got their school system to pay for summer auditory/verbal therapy through their private therapist? That would be a tremendous help to us if that could count as Grace's summer school and they pay for it. Then we could continue to pay for therapy in the fall once school started again. I'm all for bombarding Grace with as much formal learning as she can handle now but I am limited in how much I can afford to pay. Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear Cherie, Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different. We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you more. Take care and God Bless. Natasha~Mom to~ (8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00) *Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome, Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia, Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis, FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss, CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04 Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But I have an educational question and this group knows the most about education! My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half- day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to continue to her formal education. I asked about summer school last fall and was given the standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language, I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that idea. Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get summer school so they can catch up?? I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great! Thanks, Cherie , 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06 All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear Cherie, Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different. We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you more. Take care and God Bless. Natasha~Mom to~ (8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00) *Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome, Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia, Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis, FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss, CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04 Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But I have an educational question and this group knows the most about education! My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half- day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to continue to her formal education. I asked about summer school last fall and was given the standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language, I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that idea. Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get summer school so they can catch up?? I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great! Thanks, Cherie , 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06 All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear Cherie, Sierra has been receiving ESY since she was three. She goes twice a week for two hours. We haven't been turned down yet. I know each school is different. We haven't even had to have any letters from her doctors. Although If she did I would get them from all of them. How is Grace doing? Sierra has another ear infection, so have to go back to see Dr. Choo in 2-3 weeks. This is the second one this year. Of course it is in her implanted ear. I wish I could help you more. Take care and God Bless. Natasha~Mom to~ (8/25/97) & *Sierra (11/28/00) *Multiple Craniosynostosis, Crouzon's Syndrome, Syndrome, Asthma, Trach, Tracheamalacia, Bronchomalacia, Subglottic Stenosis, Chonal Stenosis, FTT,GERD, G-tube & Nissan, Strabismus, Profound hearing loss, CI implanted 8/19/04. Activated 9/7/04 Sierra's story: www.cappskids.org/CAPPSCranioKidSierra.htm www.tracheostomy.com/trachkids/kids18/sierra.htm www.Caringbridge.org/oh/sierra Summer services/school for newly implanted CI child Hi! I don't post here often, I'm mostly on the CICircle group. But I have an educational question and this group knows the most about education! My daughter Grace is 4, CI was activated 1/9/06 so she has been hearing for about 2.5 months. She uses about 10 words now on her own and knows many signs so we get by with the daily task of communicating with her (mostly about her needs). She attends a half- day oral-deaf preschool and I want her to have summer school or services to continue her language learning. What sort of reasons can the school give me to not approve her summer school? I will have a letter from our CI audi and our ENT stating the need for Grace to continue to her formal education. I asked about summer school last fall and was given the standard " we'll have to see if Grace regresses before we approve summer school " . Given Grace's age and her late start with language, I'm not willing to wait and see if she regresses. I know she will regress. And I'm trying to find data or studies supporting that idea. Also, does anyone have an idea how they handle hearing kids who do not speak English? Like if I had a kindergartener who just arrived from Russia or China and didn't know any English, would they get summer school so they can catch up?? I hate IEP meetings as I can be quite emotional when it comes to Grace's education. Any help or advice you have would be great! Thanks, Cherie , 6, hearing, and Grace, 4, AB Auria CI activated 1/9/06 All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Based on my daughter's reading scores, this is what we've used since we moved to PA in order to get ESY. In California, she automatically qualified for ESY - each march we would just get the form from the school and sign it and send it in. I know there are kids that can get ESY here but the parents are not aware of the rules, so they aren't getting the ESY. I was --- In But I > would argue that a child who is already behind the levels of her peers does not > need to prove regression -- she is STILL CATCHING UP. > > I would steel myself to argue that a four-year-old with a 10 words > vocabulary is not on par with her hearing peers, and is therefore starting already > behind. Given the circumstances, I would argue that regression is not a valid > topic. I would also argue that there is no acceptable level of regression when > a child has yet to reach the level of her peers. > > > This is hard for a parent -- you have to step outside yourself and try to be > dispassionate. It was so hard for me to use the right vocabulary, words I > don't use when talking about my son in any other forum (except here, of > course). It took practicing over lunch with my best friend to use the words " my son > will be deaf " and " brain damage " in sentences without flinching or worse -- > crying. I had to be able to do it while staring into the eyes of the person > across the table, basically daring them to contradict me. The first time I did > it, I swear I died a little inside, but now I can discuss everything about > Ian relatively dispassionately. I sometimes get mad, but I never feel like > crying any more. > > > Also, elementary teachers know that ALL children regress over vacation -- > they plan for it. Teachers are specifically taught to expect to review a bit > after a break, before getting moving onto new content. The expected regression > over a winter break is less that what's expected over summer vacation. The > review that teachers do every fall as two purposes. One is to determine the > kids' individual abilities and levels, and second: to review and ease the kids > into the new year. > > I would argue that since your daughter is beginning any school day behind, > regression is not an appropriate topic of discussion. Once she reaches parity > with her peers, then it would be germane. But until that day arrives, she > needs services throughout the year to help her reach her age appropriate goals. > And that would include summer services. > > If your district has plans for your child to be mainstreamed into their > class structure, then need to support her NOW in order to increase her abilities > so that she can function in that setting. Otherwise, there will have to be > other, more expensive, services needed to support her throughout her > educational future. > > Hope this helps. If not, then ask more questions and I'll try again. > > I wish you well ... Jill > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 >> If she got 2 1-hour sessions of AVT with a TOD each week that would be >> great.<< Hi Cherie. You're getting some great advice here, but I'd like to chat a bit about the AVT aspect (and my son is an AVT graduate). When it comes to AVT, more does not necessarily equal better - but then again, that can depend on the AVT's style and how she approaches things. The first time we went to an AVT session, the therapist told me " It's not my job to teach your son. That's your job. My job is to teach you how to do this and I'll teach you by demonstrating and working with your son. " and almost every Certified AVT who I've told that to has asked permission to use it. I never had a session where she didn't ask me what skill she was working on, how we would know when my son mastered that skill, other ways of working on that skill, what was the next skill that logically came after this one, etc. I was the one who got 'homework' and a weekly challenge (to see if I could teach my son some specific something). >> right now, they/everyone is trying to get her to listen, not so much >> worrying about how she says things, only that she is getting it.<< Absolutely right. AVT strives for the child to learn as close to the normal route as possible. Children without a hearing loss have about a year of hearing before they are expected to speak. That's why they refer to not only a chronological age, but also a listening age. She needs to learn about sounds, noise, language, words, tone of voice, etc. >>I watch her aural therapy and understand the concept of getting her to pay attention to the sounds she hears, without seeing them. No lipreading, no visual cues. But she does not cooperate with me at home because I am Mom!<< Isn't it great to know your child is normal in this? ;-) Seriously, I never did cover my mouth when working with my son. What I would do with him is if I saw him watching my mouth, I would direct his attention elsewhere. Actually, I would come up with activities that would keep both his eyes and his ears busy. For a lot of things I did with him, he would sit on my lap facing away from me. This not only made it difficult for him to watch my lips, but it also put my mouth up close to his ear, which forced me to lower my voice with him which actually reduces distortion and makes your voice easier to understand. Are you doing your sessions at the table like in therapy? Some of them can be done that way, but you'll get way better results if you make it FUN and relevant to her world. I fould that JD learned words faster if they were the ones he would use or that had meaning to him, instead of a bunch of words from a list. >> She won't play the games with me.<< That's where the beauty of JD's therapists strategy comes in. By teaching me about his therapy, I was able to work just about every lesson we were working on into a wide variety of activities. You can find loads of ideas here: http://www.listen-up.org/oral/languag2.htm (I see I need to update a few of the links on that page...sorry.) I had the best results when I was able to fit whatever the lesson was into whatever had JD's interest at the time. My hubby often called me an opportunist because it seemed to him that I could (and would) turn just about anything into a session. He even wrote an article once for a magazine and in it he talked about his wife must have caught some sort of insanity because she was often out digging for bugs with our toddler. Hugs to all, -Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Kay, thank you for the great information. And everyone's info and comments. I printed Jill's to make sure I remember some of her points during the IEP meeting. For me to think that Grace will sit down and actually play a listening game with me is nuts. Everything I do with her is around normal daily activities and normal topics of conversation. If we're reading a book and she is signing what she knows, I just continue to fill in the blanks with the words and try to get her to say what she can. She used to sign 'thank you', then she would sign it and say it when prompted, then she would just say it when prompted, and now I can say " What do you say? " behind her back when someone gives her something, and she says 'thank you' all on her own. So she can hear me and knows how to answer 'What do you say?'. I imagine everything will follow a similar pattern. Mostly, we talk to her like a normal 4yo, and use signs when she just doesn't understand. I just think that she knows when she is in a formal setting and she does cooperate with them and she does pick up new stuff. (I was on the swingset with her the other day and she said " PUSH! " for me to push her. I didn't even know she knew that word or concept!!) And it will only help Grace and everyone to have her speaking as quickly as possible. If summer school can help that along, then that's what we're going to do. Thank you! Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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