Re: tender-points

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Forgive me for having a conversation with myself! LOL I am scouting around the net looking for answers and I'm wondering if there isn't some connection between some kind of BUILD UP of t4 that seems to be good for the brain...but somehow OVERLOADS the cicuits for the tenderpoints...? My spine is all spasmed out again...and I CAN'T stand it...as I sit here with rounded shoulders.Still have the pains in my hands. I'm wondering if there isn't some WAY....of sort of smoothing that phenomenon out...if that is what's happening? You see...I've tried to creep back into the t4 dose (ALL SUMMER)...hoping to find a place that would cure the dead brain...but leave me fibro pain free. Naturally..now, I'm sort of brain dead still (but its better) AND I have the

tenderpoint pain at the same time. MAYBE that is why I'm in a funk this week... So...I'm having to think about his some more...and I'm at a loss. Those tender points...what are they lymphs? THEY feel like rocks... What else operates those things..? Do you suspect the adrenals? I do....but I'm just thinking here. ~E:) lyongillespie

wrote: Hey...Good moring to you all!!:)I'm trying to think of all the things that can cause tender-point (fibro-stiffness)pain and what to do resolve it. Lately, I upped my t4 and this has returned, so I'm wondering what I could do to rid myself of it BESIDES lowering it again.Any ideas?~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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Hi eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee – happy Friday to ya!

Just wondering out loud here — what type of exercise do you get each day?

Not using bones and muscles can make them very sore, achy, and even swollen when they are used...

I forgot if you exercise regularly or not...

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I did notice less pain on the Armour - so it might be more of a T3 thing. Having said that, the other symptoms I gained were worse than the tenderenss and so I'm trying to find the right amounts of both myself. Can you remind us of your history with the meds - what you started with, increases to date and what you're at now... Judy

You see...I've tried to creep back into the t4 dose (ALL SUMMER)...hoping to find a place that would cure the dead brain...but leave me fibro pain free. Naturally..now, I'm sort of brain dead still (but its better) AND I have the tenderpoint pain at the same time.

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I did notice less pain on the Armour - so it might be more of a T3 thing. Having said that, the other symptoms I gained were worse than the tenderenss and so I'm trying to find the right amounts of both myself. Can you remind us of your history with the meds - what you started with, increases to date and what you're at now... Judy

You see...I've tried to creep back into the t4 dose (ALL SUMMER)...hoping to find a place that would cure the dead brain...but leave me fibro pain free. Naturally..now, I'm sort of brain dead still (but its better) AND I have the tenderpoint pain at the same time.

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I did notice less pain on the Armour - so it might be more of a T3 thing. Having said that, the other symptoms I gained were worse than the tenderenss and so I'm trying to find the right amounts of both myself. Can you remind us of your history with the meds - what you started with, increases to date and what you're at now... Judy

You see...I've tried to creep back into the t4 dose (ALL SUMMER)...hoping to find a place that would cure the dead brain...but leave me fibro pain free. Naturally..now, I'm sort of brain dead still (but its better) AND I have the tenderpoint pain at the same time.

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JustYourTypeDTP wrote: Hi eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee – happy Friday to ya!Just wondering out loud here — what type of exercise do you get each day?Not using bones and muscles can make them very sore, achy, and even swollen when they are used...I forgot if you exercise regularly or not...Sue Sue: HEY...thanks for responding!! You are so cool! Well...I do not excersize. I do beleive you are correct to some extent. I did get well once and I had to go to the chiro guy and a message therapist so I could run on the treadmill and lift weights. IT was a good time with good results. That was

the spring before last. SO...bottom line, I expect that I'll have to run the same routine again in order to get some physical satisfaction away from the fibro pain.. HAVING said that.... The thing that is sort of strange..(not that this contradicts your point here), is that when I went down with the t4, ALL the pains vanished (THAT's what got me the headbanger). No working out...no nothing....BUT it felt like someone had opened up the cork on the top of my head...AND WOW...it was so wonderful. My lankiness had shown its normal self again. I

could reach for things again... I could bend... I was flexible... I could stand up straight...THERE were moments of feeling my dancer body...feeling tall again. NOW...that I've creeped back with the t4.....HERE that pain comes again. Its slight...in the feet, in the chest, in the arms and shoulders, neck, back and hands (except for the feeling of knives in my hips and back that is). IT creates a dread of movement. It feels like A VICE gripping down on me...a little more every day. So...maybe its a combination of things. Maybe working out would make some of it go away...maybe it has something to do with the t4? Maybe something else? I keep wondering if there isn't something building in the lymphs or the cerebral spinal fluid....that needs to process better or something. I think working out ...message, and chiro would help? Probably.... BUT...Maybe there is something else makeing it build too fast too properly

process? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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Hi E.

I have been reading Dr. Lee’s book about Hormonal imbalance and your stuff sounds just like that... Could be adrenals as well.

Have you looked into adrenal or hormonal testing at all?

I realize it’s tough to even THINK of exercising when it hurts to move, but I am just wondering (out loud) why it does hurt so much... Being young and relatively healthy, not overweight, etc.

Overuse and underuse are obvious reasons... But the book on hormonal imbalance does point to estrogen dominence and /or low progesterone for the achiness you desciribe... As does low adrenal function....

Then there’s the question, can we, or how do we keep our hearts healthy with no cardio? I wonder about that a lot... They call me, “The Wonderer...”

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Judy P wrote: I did notice less pain on the Armour - so it might be more of a T3 thing. Having said that, the other symptoms I gained were worse than the tenderenss and so I'm trying to find the right amounts of both myself. Can you remind us of your history with the meds - what you started with, increases to date and what you're at now... Judy . HEY YA..Judy! Well...I think your case is like a lot of folks. Since I take the combo..I take extra notice of other comboers. I used to take straight t4 and that was not working...and all Armour was ALMOST as

bad. LOL:) You want my history? WOW...we could be here all day. ITS rather sordid...like a bad pot-boiler. Thanks for asking.... The best I can tell you is this... LAST spring...I took 50 mcgs with uneven amounts of armour ( 60-105 mgs) with a mix of other hormones and tonic herbs. I did get well enough to go to the gym and FELT well for the first time since the TT. I got talked out of what I was doing and everything fell apart...and since then I've been doing my best to put it all back together. This is why I think it so important to tell people to do what feels right to them...THE rules ARE supposed to help you get

well...NOT get sick...which is what they did to me. On 62.5 mcgs Synthroid plus 90 mgs of Armour February.. TSH. .02 T3F 469 (230-420) 126 % T4F 1.29 (.59-1.17) 121% Bottom line...feeling VERY badly. Migraine, coldness, neuropathy and dizziness, brainfog, VERY overcharged. BAD sleep. On 60 mcgs Synthroid plus 120 mgs Armour April.. TSH

..01 T3F 568 (230-420)178 % T4F 1.9 (.08-1.8) 106% Bottom line still had migraines and LOTs of nueropathy..and WAS in terrible shape..., but better than February. Since then...I've wiggled things around a bit... Went up on the T4 to the 62.5 for a few days to see what would happen...(GOT VERY) lethargic...so that wasn't good. Maybe..I should have tried to LOWER the ARmour at that time....(but it seemed like not the right move because the GERD only goes away with enough t3...but maybe some t4 could have converted over and done that job?) Don't really know...cuz I didn't do that. So THEN...I

took it down to 56.25...but that gave the migraine (but took away the fibro pain which WAS fabulous)...so I've been trying to rebuild ( 1 mike at a time..waiting three four weeks inbetween) with WHATEVER Armour will fit with it. Naturally...I feel like I'm lurching in circles here.... Now...I'm at 59.81 mcgs with 105 mgs Armour and I'm trying the Selenium and 1 green herb pill per day. That has only been about a week so far. Actually yesterday and today...I'm feeling a little better with the brain fog stuff...(mind you, its still bad)...but it feels like the fog is lifting, and that is an improvement. I can't really go up with the t3 cuz...I can feel the "internal stress" of it, so that has to stay pretty much there. If I lower it, I get the GERD. I'm trying to stave off the GERD...but that seems to

want to threaten again today. So...THERE Ya have it. I know there must be like Fifty other options..but still...THAT could take a lifetime. ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months

post-op.

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JustYourTypeDTP wrote: Hi E.I have been reading Dr. Lee’s book about Hormonal imbalance and your stuff sounds just like that... Could be adrenals as well.Have you looked into adrenal or hormonal testing at all? YES..your thoughts do MAKE sense. I love it! I did get all my other hormones run and it

looks like EVERYTHING is very good, except I had lowerish in the range Pregnenolone, DHEAS (WHO knows what they are really supposed to be) and the cortisol levels take a big dive in the afteroon. By evening...I'm too low. ITS been that way since I was first tested 8 months after the TT...so its kind of just THERE. I've tried to figure what may be causing it...and what I could do to fix it if anything. This is why I try to take the green pills right now...since I do wonder if there is role that it could play that might HELP this hole in my cortisol? I think...I want to introduce a couple other little things to my protocol as I

go along, but know they make me break out with lots of zits...so I've been holding off. BUT...I will probably do it anyway. I realize it’s tough to even THINK of exercising when it hurts to move, but I am just wondering (out loud) why it does hurt so much... Being young and relatively healthy, not overweight, etc. Well, When I was healthy...OF course I never had this pain. THIS pain is strange NEW stuff for sure. Its just that I can't help wondering

WHY it goes away with lower t4 and up with higher t4. There is something called mucin that invades the soft tissues and tendons...which people can get when they are severly hypo. The thing is...wouldn't I be less hypo if I were taking more t4 if that is the case? Overuse and underuse are obvious reasons... But the book on hormonal imbalance does point to estrogen dominence and /or low progesterone for the

achiness you desciribe... As does low adrenal function....Then there’s the question, can we, or how do we keep our hearts healthy with no cardio? I wonder about that a lot... They call me, “The Wonderer...” WELL..I think that is a whole other issue.... LOL Thanks for kicking it with me SUE...you are a gem! ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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YES..your thoughts do MAKE sense. I love it! I did get all my other hormones run and it looks like EVERYTHING is very good, except I had lowerish in the range Pregnenolone, DHEAS (WHO knows what they are really supposed to be) and the cortisol levels take a big dive in the afteroon. By evening...I'm too low. ITS been that way since I was first tested 8 months after the TT...so its kind of just THERE. OK, right, so you have had your thyroid removed... Hmmmm, but your pituitary still creates the T3 and T4 right? So then it’s not affected by the TT or is it? This stuff is complicated!

I realize it’s tough to even THINK of exercising when it hurts to move, but I am just wondering (out loud) why it does hurt so much... Being young and relatively healthy, not overweight, etc.

THIS pain is strange NEW stuff for sure. Its just that I can't help wondering WHY it goes away with lower t4 and up with higher t4. I know, I wonder why too... Unless it is a symptom of overtreated thyroid, I don’t see that it would be directly related, would it, could it? From what I understand T4 exists in our bodies so adding it should not cause side effects unless — it’s an incorrect amount... Does that make sense or am I way off here?

Then there’s the question, can we, or how do we keep our hearts healthy with no cardio? I wonder about that a lot... They call me, “The Wonderer...”

WELL..I think that is a whole other issue.... LOL True, but how do we stay heart healthy with no cardio — is it possible? That is what scares me the most into exercising, I have to admit!

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JustYourTypeDTP wrote: OK, right, so you have had your thyroid removed... Hmmmm, but your pituitary still creates the T3 and T4 right? So then it’s not affected by the TT or is it? This stuff is complicated! Well, Sue...I

never thought about it that way before...LOL:) The thyroid is gone so the pituitary (which doesn't make thyroid hormones itself) can't get the thryoid to do anything. I keep the TSH suppressed so it won't try to grow a new one. When you have had a TT...your system is totally reliant on what you take. When they do this to you...they don't tell you what the magic replacement formula will be. In my case they were more of a hinderence in this

regard. The thing is, you do have to worry about taking too much or not enough and then maybe other imbalances being fostered as you mention. know, I wonder why too... Unless it is a symptom of overtreated thyroid, I don’t see that it would be directly related, would it, could it? From what I understand T4 exists in our bodies so adding it should not cause side effects unless — it’s an incorrect amount... Does that make sense or am I way off here? Nah, I'd say you are on target. The too high...too low thing is probably 95

percent of what is wrong here. THERE really is no substitute for thryoid hormone...so ALL those well meaning suggestions I hear...like, GO to the movies or the bookstore...start dating somebody, isn't gonna fix the thyroid imbalance. I do think that I need to stabalize a little more..before throwing more stuff into the mix. I did a week of selenium...and then added a week of 1 green pill...and I'll maybe wait a few more days before doing any other add. WE shall see how it goes. True, but how do we stay heart healthy with no cardio — is it possible? That is what scares me the most into exercising, I have to admit! Well...I don't know..really. I do know its VERY good for ya. I was not one who for the love for how it made me feel. I get a high from it...and I love that strong back feeling how it helps with dancing, which I miss more than anything. I haven't worked out for over a year....now. OY! ~E:) ; TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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I'm not sure about your situation, but I do know that if you don't use your muscles more than just ticking around the house, that they can atrophy and it'll really hurt to use them when you do do more. I know I've been just flat out loafing with a vengance and then when I took the pups for a walk, it was only about 1/4 mile to the barn and I thought I was gonna die! My mind gets mad at my body, it wants to go go go go go, and my body's like.....hey, start without me. Cybil-SpiffJustYourTypeDTP wrote: Hi E.I have been reading Dr. Lee’s book about Hormonal imbalance and your stuff sounds just like that... Could be adrenals as well.Have you looked into adrenal or hormonal testing at all?I realize it’s tough to even THINK of exercising when it hurts to move, but I am just wondering (out loud) why it does hurt so much... Being young and relatively healthy, not overweight, etc.Overuse and underuse are obvious reasons... But the book on hormonal imbalance does point to estrogen dominence and /or low progesterone for the achiness you desciribe... As does low adrenal function....Then there’s the question, can we, or how do we keep our hearts healthy with no cardio? I wonder about that a lot... They call me, “The Wonderer...” :)Sue

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What??? I don't think so! The pituitary controls the signals to the thyroid, but the thyroid makes the T's.

OK, right, so you have had your thyroid removed... Hmmmm, but your pituitary still creates the T3 and T4 right? So then it’s not affected by the TT or is it? This stuff is complicated!

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Nah, I'd say you are on target. The too high...too low thing is probably 95 percent of what is wrong here. THERE really is no substitute for thryoid hormone...so ALL those well meaning suggestions I hear...like, GO to the movies or the bookstore...start dating somebody, isn't gonna fix the thyroid imbalance.

Man, do I hear you on that, E. But ya know what? I do go to the movies, or the bookstore, feeling kinda crappy sometimes – not always when I feel crappy but sometimes --- just so I can have the “experience” of not sitting around so much— which since I work on the computer 10-12 hours a day — is probably what I do

I do think that I need to stabalize a little more..before throwing more stuff into the mix. I did a week of selenium...and then added a week of 1 green pill...and I'll maybe wait a few more days before doing any other add. WE shall see how it goes. I didn’t notice any effects of the selenium good or bad... I guess bloodword will tell, huh?

I was not one who for the love for how it made me feel. I get a high from it...and I love that strong back feeling how it helps with dancing, which I miss more than anything.

I haven't worked out for over a year....now. OY! Wow, so you actually miss it, geeeez, I sure hope you get back to feelin’ like dancing soon! I was always too shy to dance

No wonder you are in good shape physically — years of conditioning your body...so that’s cool.

Sue

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JustYourTypeDTP wrote: Man, do I hear you on that, E. But ya know what? I do go to the movies, or the bookstore, feeling kinda crappy sometimes – not always when I feel crappy but sometimes --- just so I can have the “experience” of not sitting around so much— which

since I work on the computer 10-12 hours a day — is probably what I do _____________________________________________________ . I think you are doing all you can for yourself right now Sue... AND that is such a good thing... I love the idea of going

out. I really do... Its just that its sooo hard to keep up with getting my hair done and then styling it and putting on make-up... The force of power you need to do all that is what is hard for me... I'm just so droopy all the time. Its one thing to just sit there...once you get out, which is fine for me...but I hate going on looking like a rag-bag. Actually..since the insurance ran out...I hardly go anywhere any more, and it feels like such a great relief. I went out with my girlfriend a couple weeks ago to the bookstore and it WAS such a nice break, but I was having an anger-fit before I went...because the strain of getting ready was so overwhelming. I didn't even do much with my hair or anything...but still it was more effort than I was up for. I'm glad I went...and I was feeling an altered perspective afterwards...no question. But should it really be THAT hard? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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It's no wonder when I do my reading and research, I find that women are more afflicted by these ailments. Can you imagine how quickly these medical conditions would be resolved if it was the men that felt like crap 70% of the time. I can't even imagine what it feels like to have one full week of feeling close to neutral let alone 'good'... Judy

Man, do I hear you on that, E. But ya know what? I do go to the movies, or the bookstore, feeling kinda crappy sometimes – not always when I feel crappy but sometimes

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Hi Judy,

See I always thought that too – but someone told me it’s the pittitary so I need to re-research this! Is is that the pituitary SIGNALS the thyroid? I was told TSH came from thyroid and t3 and t4 from pituitary...

sue

What??? I don't think so! The pituitary controls the signals to the thyroid, but the thyroid makes the T's.

OK, right, so you have had your thyroid removed... Hmmmm, but your pituitary still creates the T3 and T4 right? So then it’s not affected by the TT or is it? This stuff is complicated!

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I think you are doing all you can for yourself right now Sue... AND that is such a good thing...

I love the idea of going out.

I really do... Its just that its sooo hard to keep up with getting my hair done and then styling it and putting on make-up... Ahh, ok well see I don’t wear any makeup and I wear my hair parted down the middle and just run a brush through it...

The force of power you need to do all that is what is hard for me... I'm just so droopy all the time. Its one thing to just sit there...once you get out, which is fine for me...but I hate going on looking like a rag-bag. ... So I guess ia m a “rag bag” LOLOL!

I went out with my girlfriend a couple weeks ago to the bookstore and it WAS such a nice break, but I was having an anger-fit before I went...because the strain of getting ready was so overwhelming. Sorry to hear that... I know how that goes – I had that but with panic, not fatigue... Either way it’s quite dehabiltating.

I'm glad I went...and I was feeling an altered perspective afterwards...no question. But should it really be THAT hard? No. Do you ever have up or good days though? I sure hope so

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It's no wonder when I do my reading and research, I find that women are more afflicted by these ailments. Can you imagine how quickly these medical conditions would be resolved if it was the men that felt like crap 70% of the time. I can't even imagine what it feels like to have one full week of feeling close to neutral let alone 'good'... Judy

Wow, really? How long have you suffered this much? Is it all thyroid related? If so, it would seem “simple enough’ to treat and yet somehow it’s not, is it? When my thryoid meds didn’t do the trick with the T4 I went to adrenals and hormonal reasons...i am seeing more and more that mine really is hormonal... Up, down, up down, happy, sad, etc... Every 28 to 30 days... Hmmmmmm and I am so close to menopause too cuz I have those symptoms...ugh!

You’re right though if it were men, HA HA, we wouldn’t have any male CEOs let alone a prez~ LOL~

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I see how you got mixed up, I was wondering LOL.

TSH is a pituitary hormone that signals the thyroid gland to secrete it's hormones, mainly T3 and T4 althought there is actually a T1, T2 and other things that no-one ever measures.

And there's actually another one called TRH that comes from the hypothalamus and stimulates the pituitary to release TSH. So it starts at the hypothalamus, on to the pituitary and then the thyroid for the actual T's...Judy

See I always thought that too – but someone told me it’s the pittitary so I need to re-research this! Is is that the pituitary SIGNALS the thyroid? I was told TSH came from thyroid and t3 and t4 from pituitary...

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I think it's just that we become a creature of habit so to speak. A friend of mine wanted me to go to the demo derby and I dreaded gooooing in and puttttttttting on any makeup at all ( I'm pale as a painted fence now ), doing anything with my hair......you name it, I didn't want to do it. She offered to come over and do my face and hair so I had no excuse. She knows I need to get out, so she gently nudges me into doing stuff without harranging me. I felt way better once I got out and I had a blast. SpiffE Gillespie wrote: JustYourTypeDTP <justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Man, do I hear you on that, E. But ya know what? I do go to the movies, or the bookstore, feeling kinda crappy sometimes – not always when I feel crappy but sometimes --- just so I can have the “experience” of not sitting around so much— which since I work on the computer 10-12 hours a day — is probably what I do _____________________________________________________ . I think you are doing all you can for yourself right now Sue... AND that is such a good thing... I love the idea of going out. I really do... Its just that its sooo hard to keep up with getting my hair done and then styling it and putting on make-up... The force of power you need to do all that is what is hard for me... I'm just so droopy all the time. Its one thing to just sit there...once you get

out, which is fine for me...but I hate going on looking like a rag-bag. Actually..since the insurance ran out...I hardly go anywhere any more, and it feels like such a great relief. I went out with my girlfriend a couple weeks ago to the bookstore and it WAS such a nice break, but I was having an anger-fit before I went...because the strain of getting ready was so overwhelming. I didn't even do much with my hair or anything...but still it was more effort than I was up for. I'm glad I went...and I was feeling an altered perspective afterwards...no question. But should it really be THAT

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I have no idea. For over a decade I actually though my issues had absolutely nothing to do with my thyroid. I just took my pill every AM and didn't give it a second thought. About 13 years ago, I started having problems with my blood sugar going up and down all day. I'm not diabetic (far from it) and so I've never been able to get a doctor to understand my complaints.

I guess around the same time, the fatigue, headaches, anxiety and everything else started as well. I've had some good years over the years, but not enough to do the dance of joy LOL. I took a report on Adrenal Fatigue to a doctor about 6 years ago, exclaiming that I had found the EXACT list of my symptoms, right down to the increased energy and sugar tolerance in the evening. He would not even discuss it. By then I had gained all of my weight back and all he saw was a fat, lazy woman looking for a magic answer. I guess in a way he was right (except for the lazy part) and I'm still looking for that answer. When I find it, he and all of the other docs will be the first to know.

Otherwise, you know how it goes, one day leads into the next and before you know it a lot of substandard time has passed. I should mention that my mom died the year before and so I'm not sure if my adrenals just never really recoved. The year before that was the best year of my life. I was 40 years old, had slimmed down again, took up skiiing, hiking etc. and felt great pretty much all of the time. The last 13 are pretty much a blur.

The food thing is the hardest, especially when you're trying to cut back. I'm starving about 2 hours after I eat, and if I don't eat something then, soon I will feel just terrible and won't be able to put a sentence together. I am on a low glycemic diet and I'm very careful about what I eat, but it doesn't seem to matter. My glucose at the docs office was 72 after breakfast, so you can guess it was lower before that. One doc even read my blood sugar at 62 while I was in his office at 2PM and never said a word. I didn't know at the time what the range was, so I didn't say a thing but at that point I hadn't even started feeling unwell. I should have stayed another hour, but I hadn't brought food and had to rush home as soon as I was done. Today, I can't leave the house without food in my purse... Judy

Wow, really? How long have you suffered this much? Is it all thyroid related? If so, it would seem “simple enough’ to treat and yet somehow it’s not, is it? When my thryoid meds didn’t do the trick with the T4 I went to adrenals and hormonal reasons...i am seeing more and more that mine really is hormonal... Up, down, up down, happy, sad, etc... Every 28 to 30 days... Hmmmmmm and I am so close to menopause too cuz I have those symptoms...ugh!

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That is the exact kind of friend that I need. If they wait for me to call, they'll be waiting a long time. I had a friend back in Canada that would call and say "get dressed, I'll be there in 15 minutes" and then hang up. I miss her... Judy

She knows I need to get out, so she gently nudges me into doing stuff without harranging me. I felt way better once I got out and I had a blast.

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I plan on going to see the Black Eyed Peas with my girlfreind at the Mohegan Sun in a couple of weeks. She's paying for the tickets and REALLY wants me to go...so I'm going. I was gonna go to the Angel Day on the 10 th..but have been worried about not being up to it. Course...the people there should be nice. Haven't decided...one day I think YEAH...the next...I'm not sure again. Ya know? I have to get my hair cut..(I got it cut two months ago w/ highlights...but just stayed in bed with my nice hair)...Can you beleive it? I just got back from my Twin Peaks Therapist...and it wasn't THAT terrible today. ~E:) Judy P wrote: That is the exact kind of friend that I need. If they wait for me to call, they'll be waiting a long time. I had a friend back in Canada that would call and say "get dressed, I'll be there in 15 minutes" and then hang up. I miss her... Judy She knows I need to get out, so she gently nudges me into doing stuff without harranging me. I felt way better once I got out and I had a blast. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting

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One little thing that I sometimes do is just put on some eye liner and makeup, and that little touch seems to help. I wear makeup so seldom here that people notice just that and they mention it, bless their hearts. I left my hair down today and got a compliment for it, I was suprised! It's curly and I didn't have energy to comb it today, just mousse it a little and blow dry it. Looks like hussy hair, but a friend of mine thought it looked pretty good. Little things like that can go a long way. SpiffE Gillespie wrote: I plan on going to see the Black Eyed Peas with my girlfreind at the Mohegan Sun in a couple of weeks. She's paying for the tickets and REALLY wants me to go...so I'm going. I was gonna go to the Angel Day on the 10 th..but have been worried about not being up to it. Course...the people there should be nice. Haven't decided...one day I think YEAH...the next...I'm not sure again. Ya know? I have to get my hair cut..(I got it cut two months ago w/ highlights...but just stayed in bed with my nice hair)...Can

you beleive it? I just got back from my Twin Peaks Therapist...and it wasn't THAT terrible today. ~E:) Judy P <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: That is the exact kind of friend that I need. If they wait for me to call, they'll be waiting a long time. I had a friend back in Canada that would call and say "get dressed, I'll be there in 15 minutes" and then hang up. I miss her... Judy She knows I need to get out, so she gently nudges me into doing stuff without harranging me. I felt way better once I got out and I had a blast. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

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