Re: Petting new/strange dogs (was Dogs)

[Guest guest]

> I am also trying to explain to her that you have to know a dog

before it will be all fine to go up and pet it (and then even at times

it is not

[sue] Why don't you explain to her that she should never pet a dog

when you and its owner aren't there and it's not on a lead? Then at

least she won't go running up to dogs she thinks she knows in the park

etc.

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Sue

[Guest guest]

> > I am also trying to explain to her that you have to know a dog

>before it will be all fine to go up and pet it (and then even at times

>it is not

>

>[sue] Why don't you explain to her that she should never pet a dog

>when you and its owner aren't there and it's not on a lead? Then at

>least she won't go running up to dogs she thinks she knows in the park

>etc.

I don't think an owner would *offer* the child the opportunity to

touch it if the dog had any history of being snappy. Several owners

have said their dog can be unpredictable when we've been admiring it,

effectively suggesting that my children *don't* touch the dog. That

doesn't account for situations where your *child* tends to be too

rough (I have one who can grab handfuls of fur). (Perhaps if you are

worried about seeming to suggest that someone's dog is vicious you

could say that your child can sometimes be a bit rough and you don't

think it would be fair to the dog!)

That's not the same as those owners whose dogs are leaping about or

otherwise molesting you or your children and say " Oh he's fine " -

those I wouldn't always believe.

I remember reading about a spaniel that had bitten a child and was

put to sleep. The vet, who'd known the dog and family a long time was

very shocked by this behaviour so he did a post mortem - found a

pencil in the dog's brain. I notice our vet has a notice up now

asking parents to ensure their children do not touch other people's

animals at the surgery because the animals may be stressed and behave

out of character.

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jennifer@...

Vaudin

[Guest guest]

> > I am also trying to explain to her that you have to know a dog

>before it will be all fine to go up and pet it (and then even at times

>it is not

>

>[sue] Why don't you explain to her that she should never pet a dog

>when you and its owner aren't there and it's not on a lead? Then at

>least she won't go running up to dogs she thinks she knows in the park

>etc.

I don't think an owner would *offer* the child the opportunity to

touch it if the dog had any history of being snappy. Several owners

have said their dog can be unpredictable when we've been admiring it,

effectively suggesting that my children *don't* touch the dog. That

doesn't account for situations where your *child* tends to be too

rough (I have one who can grab handfuls of fur). (Perhaps if you are

worried about seeming to suggest that someone's dog is vicious you

could say that your child can sometimes be a bit rough and you don't

think it would be fair to the dog!)

That's not the same as those owners whose dogs are leaping about or

otherwise molesting you or your children and say " Oh he's fine " -

those I wouldn't always believe.

I remember reading about a spaniel that had bitten a child and was

put to sleep. The vet, who'd known the dog and family a long time was

very shocked by this behaviour so he did a post mortem - found a

pencil in the dog's brain. I notice our vet has a notice up now

asking parents to ensure their children do not touch other people's

animals at the surgery because the animals may be stressed and behave

out of character.

--

jennifer@...

Vaudin

[Guest guest]

Hi Lonnie,

> but what then nearly always happens is that the owner will say " Does she

want to pet >him? " .............When I say NO thankyou the owners seem to

think I am being rude.

Why don't you tell the owners quietly that she is allergic.

As a student I was always offered drinks to which I always said no as I

don't drink, however the only way I could get away with this without

offending was to say I was driving - this was acceptable.

Sometimes we have to stretch the truth for an easy life even if it is

against our nature.

[Guest guest]

Lonnie - I wonder if the owners are offering, presumably they know

that the dog won't jump up? Or you could ask if the dog is going to

jump up or keep all four paws on the ground whilst greeting the child?

I think it's the sort of owners who don't seem to care and wouldn't

offer who might be more likely to have dicey dogs? I can understand

your concerns though; you don't want a nasty incident to happen

anyway. It would probably be best to introduce the children to a dog

who was an older dog belonging to a friend one day, anyway, rather

than casually in the street esp as you're likely to be more relaxed

about it in that situation and the child won't pick up anxious vibes

from you...I think a lot of dogs are frightened or excited by

children - the high voices are rather puppy like and if they haven't

met children a lot between 7 and 20 weeks in their puppy lives some

dogs seem to be stressed by children. Some breeds though are

especially good with children, eg golden retrievers, labradors,

cavalier King spaniels, non-terrier types...I'm sure there are

more of them.. Hope you don't get any more scares ...Caro

> sorry got long I did say it was me pet peeve at the mo

>

[Guest guest]

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LOL I have done a couple of times... (but it annoys me that I have to lie)

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

Re: Petting " new/strange " dogs (was Dogs)

Hi Lonnie,

> but what then nearly always happens is that the owner will say " Does she

want to pet >him? " .............When I say NO thankyou the owners seem to

think I am being rude.

Why don't you tell the owners quietly that she is allergic.

As a student I was always offered drinks to which I always said no as I

don't drink, however the only way I could get away with this without

offending was to say I was driving - this was acceptable.

Sometimes we have to stretch the truth for an easy life even if it is

against our nature.

[Guest guest]

<<>

LOL I have done a couple of times... (but it annoys me that I have to lie)

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

Re: Petting " new/strange " dogs (was Dogs)

Hi Lonnie,

> but what then nearly always happens is that the owner will say " Does she

want to pet >him? " .............When I say NO thankyou the owners seem to

think I am being rude.

Why don't you tell the owners quietly that she is allergic.

As a student I was always offered drinks to which I always said no as I

don't drink, however the only way I could get away with this without

offending was to say I was driving - this was acceptable.

Sometimes we have to stretch the truth for an easy life even if it is

against our nature.

[Guest guest]

<>

No I would like to think this to, but the simple truth is that you do NOT know

how your dog will react to a new child (just like you don't know how your child

will take to another child) that is why I don't want her petting strange/new

dogs. NOT because I think every single dog is likely to jump on her.. For me

this is the same as the fact that I hold her hand when we cross the street at a

green light.. I don't THINK that a car will suddenly start driving over for red

and I am pretty certain she would stay near me but JUST IN CASE I hold her

hand...

Also before any of you think that I hate dog's I don't at all I grew up with the

most wonderful Kleiner Munsterlander and I ADORED her and she clearly saw it as

her job to protect me, and I would love for my kids to understand the closeness

you can have with a dog but not with any odd person/dog we meet in the park...

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

[Guest guest]

<>

No I would like to think this to, but the simple truth is that you do NOT know

how your dog will react to a new child (just like you don't know how your child

will take to another child) that is why I don't want her petting strange/new

dogs. NOT because I think every single dog is likely to jump on her.. For me

this is the same as the fact that I hold her hand when we cross the street at a

green light.. I don't THINK that a car will suddenly start driving over for red

and I am pretty certain she would stay near me but JUST IN CASE I hold her

hand...

Also before any of you think that I hate dog's I don't at all I grew up with the

most wonderful Kleiner Munsterlander and I ADORED her and she clearly saw it as

her job to protect me, and I would love for my kids to understand the closeness

you can have with a dog but not with any odd person/dog we meet in the park...

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

[Guest guest]

<>

No I would like to think this to, but the simple truth is that you do NOT know

how your dog will react to a new child (just like you don't know how your child

will take to another child) that is why I don't want her petting strange/new

dogs. NOT because I think every single dog is likely to jump on her.. For me

this is the same as the fact that I hold her hand when we cross the street at a

green light.. I don't THINK that a car will suddenly start driving over for red

and I am pretty certain she would stay near me but JUST IN CASE I hold her

hand...

Also before any of you think that I hate dog's I don't at all I grew up with the

most wonderful Kleiner Munsterlander and I ADORED her and she clearly saw it as

her job to protect me, and I would love for my kids to understand the closeness

you can have with a dog but not with any odd person/dog we meet in the park...

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

[Guest guest]

<<[sue] Why don't you explain to her that she should never pet a dog

when you and its owner aren't there and it's not on a lead? Then at

least she won't go running up to dogs she thinks she knows in the park

etc.>>

What we have chosen to do is to explain to her that she should not pet or play

with dog's she has not specifically been told by a person SHE KNOWS WELL that it

is ok to stroke.. (that way should she be with auntie or grandma etc then it is

covered that they can say yes that is ok but the lady in the park that say's so

we don't know therefor we are not allowed to touch her dog when she say's

fine...

Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama

& expecting a Christmas delivery...

My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you

start.

So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake.

I feel better already.

Re: Petting " new/strange " dogs (was Dogs)

> I am also trying to explain to her that you have to know a dog

before it will be all fine to go up and pet it (and then even at times

it is not

[sue] Why don't you explain to her that she should never pet a dog

when you and its owner aren't there and it's not on a lead? Then at

least she won't go running up to dogs she thinks she knows in the park

etc.

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Sue