RE: irony

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Hi :Those are all good questions to wonder about -- and I think each child will have a different story. My son was a late talker, though followed directions -- by 18 months he was just putting 2-3 words together (my favorite was when we were coming out of a restaurant and it was raining and he put his hand up and said "sky juice!"), but when he started really talking around age 3, he spoke sentences. He didn't have assymetry, but did have a lot of ear infections young (and was breast fed until 2 yrs old, though started solds around 6 mnths). He went to preschool from about 2 and 1/2, and had his share of coughs and colds. He's 8 now, and it's the first season he has only been sick once (strep, something going around the class).Sooo many factors can be present with the children who have plagiocephaly, and I think a lot of them are coinicidence - and some aren't - which makes it difficult for a stud

y We found out when my son was 7 that there were other things that probably contributed to his headshape (which occured in utero) -- for he has mild low muscle tone, which we were never really told about when he was a baby. It wouldn't have changed anything, though, except maybe make me more aware when he was younger about his milestones (which were pretty much on target, though he never really crawled -- did a belly scoot, army crawl...).Has your son had his ears checked since his major ear infections? You may want to do that, just to make sure everything is ok. You might want to have his speech checked out too, if there are issues in communication (if only family members can understand him, for example) -- though most of these issues work themselves out, and if he's still deep in infection, he probably cannot be evaluated yet. Take careaka "Kali"mom to Quinn, 11/99, DOCband grad 10/00 for scaphocephalic (long/narrow)

headshape------- Original Message -------From : Durocher[mailto:funwith4@...]Sent : 3/25/2008 10:04:14 PMTo : plagiocephaly Cc : Subject : RE: irony

OK, I will first admit that I ap my children so I lay with kids until they fall asleep and if they wake up in the night so sometimes I am laying around waiting with nothing to do so I think about weird things if nothing else is on my mind lol. I especially like little quirky isn't that weirds

So here are my 2 for today as both pertain to Plagio. I wonder how ironic it is that my only very late talker was my only plagio baby. There are so little studies done and the few done are small scale and there are even different ways plagio effects a child that would have to be taken into account to do a study on everything. But in the few bits of reading it talks about effecting ear and jaw but more implies fluid/ear infections. Well my Plagio baby had Plagio pretty much from birth. Hearing tested fine at birth, never tested after that but he passes all the milestones to assume he doesn't have a hearing problem or at least not a chronic one. Yet all my other children have said their 1st at least 3 words by their 1st bday. said no words at 12 mo, no words at 15 mo even. He was banded from 9-12 mo and had severe ear assymetry.

But an interesting OTOH, he did not have a single ear issue before he was banded. He didn't get his 1st ear infection until 15 mo (my 2nd got her 1st at 6 mo, my 3rd at 5 mo and both by his age had had severel), so post band. It was a bad double ear infection and now we are not even sure it went completely away b/c it has been a month and he has a severe double ear infection. As irony has it though, it was during the antibiotics from the 1st one that he finally started talking. Of course this makes me wonder if he has had fluid in the inner ear at all prior to this since that is not something we would be able to know without testing for it and it would effect speech. Which of course led me to, if it was in the inner ear and now that we have straitened his ears has it somehow effected drainage so that instead it is now in the middle ear thus causing ear infections? Even with now knowing some words it isnt like my other kids learned word

s. His are not comprehendable really, except mama. Not that my other kids spoke perfectly, my 2nd had a lot of articulation issues. But most ppl could guess what they were saying, I do not think anyone but me could guess what he says except mama. dada was comprehendable too but he has said it less than a handful of times and I havent heard it in weeks. But his other words are weird. he says a sound like "oosch" which is "shoes" then he says a sound like "eesch" which is cheese or keys depending on the context. then he says the long i sound which is what he says for hi and bye. even more interesting he also finally started signing at that time, signing dog and fish and again he should have signed well before a year.

Really makes you wonder

Of course what I really believe is that the ear infections are due to a lessening of his immune system and immunities b/c he stopped breastfeeding at 14 mo, 1st ear infection within a month. But still interesting looking and wondering about if Plagio can play any role

-- SC SAHM to , , , , and what should we name our baby girl?"We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today." ~Stacia Tauscher

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I have 4 babies. My oldest is now 11. She had no plagio. She spent her first year of life with severe ear infections. After visiting an eNT they did the test where they measure the peaks and flatness in her ears. She failed both ears. She ended up with tubes at 14 months. BUt she was speaking in sentences before the tubes. She sang her ABC's and the barney song.

My second was a boy who is now 8. He had brachy that I didn't realize until looking back at old photos. His thankfully improved tons on its own. I think due to him sitting,walking,crawling at a young age. He was almost 2 before he said very short sentences. He still has some minor speech issues and is in speech at school for his r sounds.

My 3rd is Jenna who is now 6 and a STARband grad. She had severe plagio/brachy. She talked slower than my oldest but way before my son. At 5 I noticed she wasn't hearing well. So I took her to the ENT and she also failed the peak test. She had severe ear infections in both ears. She never once complained about her ears or had a fever. So she received tubes at 5. She had those for a year and when one fell out she started getting repeated infections and just got her second set of tubes and her adnoids out last month.

My almost 16 month old is slower than my girls at talking but quicker than my son. She failed the peak test at a school disrtict screening. She had only had a few ear infections that we were aware of. I took her to the ENT and her ears were NOT infected but full of thick fluid. So she just got tubes 3 weeks after Jenna. I have already noticed a big difference in her trying to say more words. When the ENT got in there he said there was thick pus and fluid in her ears and around her adnoids. So she got the tubes and her adnoids out. She had mild brachy that we repoed for.

So after saying all of this I am not sure. all 3 of my girls have had ear issues. Jenna didn't have her ear issues with until after graduation but she was talking fine.

Sorry for rambling.

Angie

irony

OK, I will first admit that I ap my children so I lay with kids until they fall asleep and if they wake up in the night so sometimes I am laying around waiting with nothing to do so I think about weird things if nothing else is on my mind lol. I especially like little quirky isn't that weirds

So here are my 2 for today as both pertain to Plagio. I wonder how ironic it is that my only very late talker was my only plagio baby. There are so little studies done and the few done are small scale and there are even different ways plagio effects a child that would have to be taken into account to do a study on everything. But in the few bits of reading it talks about effecting ear and jaw but more implies fluid/ear infections. Well my Plagio baby had Plagio pretty much from birth. Hearing tested fine at birth, never tested after that but he passes all the milestones to assume he doesn't have a hearing problem or at least not a chronic one. Yet all my other children have said their 1st at least 3 words by their 1st bday. said no words at 12 mo, no words at 15 mo even. He was banded from 9-12 mo and had severe ear assymetry.

But an interesting OTOH, he did not have a single ear issue before he was banded. He didn't get his 1st ear infection until 15 mo (my 2nd got her 1st at 6 mo, my 3rd at 5 mo and both by his age had had severel), so post band. It was a bad double ear infection and now we are not even sure it went completely away b/c it has been a month and he has a severe double ear infection. As irony has it though, it was during the antibiotics from the 1st one that he finally started talking. Of course this makes me wonder if he has had fluid in the inner ear at all prior to this since that is not something we would be able to know without testing for it and it would effect speech. Which of course led me to, if it was in the inner ear and now that we have straitened his ears has it somehow effected drainage so that instead it is now in the middle ear thus causing ear infections? Even with now knowing some words it isnt like my other kids learned words. His are not comprehendable really, except mama. Not that my other kids spoke perfectly, my 2nd had a lot of articulation issues. But most ppl could guess what they were saying, I do not think anyone but me could guess what he says except mama. dada was comprehendable too but he has said it less than a handful of times and I havent heard it in weeks. But his other words are weird. he says a sound like "oosch" which is "shoes" then he says a sound like "eesch" which is cheese or keys depending on the context. then he says the long i sound which is what he says for hi and bye. even more interesting he also finally started signing at that time, signing dog and fish and again he should have signed well before a year.

Really makes you wonder

Of course what I really believe is that the ear infections are due to a lessening of his immune system and immunities b/c he stopped breastfeeding at 14 mo, 1st ear infection within a month. But still interesting looking and wondering about if Plagio can play any role

-- SC SAHM to , , , , and what should we name our baby girl?"We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today." ~Stacia Tauscher

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he still has a bad infection, just started 2nd round of antibiotics so all that will be talked about at his follow up. he didnt have an ear infection 2 weeks before this one was dx a month ago b/c he had just had his 15 mo checkup which is why i mentioned fluid in the inner ear b/c that is not visible. but b/c at his 15 mo checkup he didnt say a single word they were already watching his speech to possibly send him for eval at 18 mo.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <tnt@...> wrote:

Hi :Those are all good questions to wonder about -- and I think each child will have a different story. My son was a late talker, though followed directions -- by 18 months he was just putting 2-3 words together (my favorite was when we were coming out of a restaurant and it was raining and he put his hand up and said " sky juice! " ), but when he started really talking around age 3, he spoke sentences. He didn't have assymetry, but did have a lot of ear infections young (and was breast fed until 2 yrs old, though started solds around 6 mnths). He went to preschool from about 2 and 1/2, and had his share of coughs and colds. He's 8 now, and it's the first season he has only been sick once (strep, something going around the class).

Sooo many factors can be present with the children who have plagiocephaly, and I think a lot of them are coinicidence - and some aren't - which makes it difficult for a stud y We found out when my son was 7 that there were other things that probably contributed to his headshape (which occured in utero) -- for he has mild low muscle tone, which we were never really told about when he was a baby. It wouldn't have changed anything, though, except maybe make me more aware when he was younger about his milestones (which were pretty much on target, though he never really crawled -- did a belly scoot, army crawl...).

Has your son had his ears checked since his major ear infections? You may want to do that, just to make sure everything is ok. You might want to have his speech checked out too, if there are issues in communication (if only family members can understand him, for example) -- though most of these issues work themselves out, and if he's still deep in infection, he probably cannot be evaluated yet.

Take careaka " Kali " mom to Quinn, 11/99, DOCband grad 10/00 for scaphocephalic (long/narrow) headshape ------- Original Message -------From : Durocher[mailto:funwith4@...]Sent : 3/25/2008 10:04:14 PM

To : plagiocephaly Cc : Subject : RE: irony

OK, I will first admit that I ap my children so I lay with kids until they fall asleep and if they wake up in the night so sometimes I am laying around waiting with nothing to do so I think about weird things if nothing else is on my mind lol. I especially like little quirky isn't that weirds

So here are my 2 for today as both pertain to Plagio. I wonder how ironic it is that my only very late talker was my only plagio baby. There are so little studies done and the few done are small scale and there are even different ways plagio effects a child that would have to be taken into account to do a study on everything. But in the few bits of reading it talks about effecting ear and jaw but more implies fluid/ear infections. Well my Plagio baby had Plagio pretty much from birth. Hearing tested fine at birth, never tested after that but he passes all the milestones to assume he doesn't have a hearing problem or at least not a chronic one. Yet all my other children have said their 1st at least 3 words by their 1st bday. said no words at 12 mo, no words at 15 mo even. He was banded from 9-12 mo and had severe ear assymetry.

But an interesting OTOH, he did not have a single ear issue before he was banded. He didn't get his 1st ear infection until 15 mo (my 2nd got her 1st at 6 mo, my 3rd at 5 mo and both by his age had had severel), so post band. It was a bad double ear infection and now we are not even sure it went completely away b/c it has been a month and he has a severe double ear infection. As irony has it though, it was during the antibiotics from the 1st one that he finally started talking. Of course this makes me wonder if he has had fluid in the inner ear at all prior to this since that is not something we would be able to know without testing for it and it would effect speech. Which of course led me to, if it was in the inner ear and now that we have straitened his ears has it somehow effected drainage so that instead it is now in the middle ear thus causing ear infections? Even with now knowing some words it isnt like my other kids learned word s. His are not comprehendable really, except mama. Not that my other kids spoke perfectly, my 2nd had a lot of articulation issues. But most ppl could guess what they were saying, I do not think anyone but me could guess what he says except mama. dada was comprehendable too but he has said it less than a handful of times and I havent heard it in weeks. But his other words are weird. he says a sound like " oosch " which is " shoes " then he says a sound like " eesch " which is cheese or keys depending on the context. then he says the long i sound which is what he says for hi and bye. even more interesting he also finally started signing at that time, signing dog and fish and again he should have signed well before a year.

Really makes you wonder

Of course what I really believe is that the ear infections are due to a lessening of his immune system and immunities b/c he stopped breastfeeding at 14 mo, 1st ear infection within a month. But still interesting looking and wondering about if Plagio can play any role

-- SC SAHM to , , , , and what should we name our baby girl? " We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today. " ~Stacia Tauscher

-- SC SAHM to , , , , and what should we name our baby girl?

" We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today. " ~Stacia Tauscher

[Guest guest]

All very interesting thoughts, for sure, and it sounds like you're

on top of everything with regards to his ears and speech, so that's

great. I agree that some things can be just coincidence. I really

wish it was all black and white! It would be so much easier to deal

with!

Neither of my children were breastfed. My daughter did not have

plagio and has never had an ear infection. My son has had 2 or 3

very minor ear infections, BUT he had plagio. So that could

definitely be a factor with that. But heredity and other

circumstances definitely play a part as well, like whether they go

to school (my son is in a toddler preschool program), or even just

having a sibling that is in school and dealing with all the germs

that come home with them. Also, both of my children were/are late

talkers and walkers. My daughter didn't really start talking until

after she turned 2 and walked at 14.5 months. My son is 18 months

and can only say " ba " for ball and walked at 16 months. Their

hearing is fine, the only difference between them at this stage is

that he had tort and plagio and she didn't. So at this point, I'm

not concerned (and neither are the doctors) with his development

because he's on the same schedule as his big sister (and his cousin,

who walked at 15 months and didn't talk until 2 either....something

with my husband's family genes is definitely playing a role

here...). Still, could the tort and plagio be playing a part?

Absolutely. But it's just so hard to tell for sure when I have

nothing else to compare him to but my daughter, and they're

practically on course development wise. I guess we'll have to just

wait and see how things play out from here!

Jake-18m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DocBand 2/11/08)

Jordan-4

>

>

> Hi :

>

> Those are all good questions to wonder about -- and I think each

child will have a different story. My son was a late talker, though

followed directions -- by 18 months he was just putting 2-3 words

together (my favorite was when we were coming out of a restaurant

and it was raining and he put his hand up and said " sky juice! " ),

but when he started really talking around age 3, he spoke

sentences. He didn't have assymetry, but did have a lot of ear

infections young (and was breast fed until 2 yrs old, though started

solds around 6 mnths). He went to preschool from about 2 and 1/2,

and had his share of coughs and colds. He's 8 now, and it's the

first season he has only been sick once (strep, something going

around the class).

>

> Sooo many factors can be present with the children who have

plagiocephaly, and I think a lot of them are coinicidence - and some

aren't - which makes it difficult for a study We found out when my

son was 7 that there were other things that probably contributed to

his headshape (which occured in utero) -- for he has mild low muscle

tone, which we were never really told about when he was a baby. It

wouldn't have changed anything, though, except maybe make me more

aware when he was younger about his milestones (which were pretty

much on target, though he never really crawled -- did a belly scoot,

army crawl...).

>

> Has your son had his ears checked since his major ear infections?

You may want to do that, just to make sure everything is ok. You

might want to have his speech checked out too, if there are issues

in communication (if only family members can understand him, for

example) -- though most of these issues work themselves out, and if

he's still deep in infection, he probably cannot be evaluated yet.

>

> Take care

>

> aka " Kali "

> mom to Quinn, 11/99, DOCband grad 10/00 for scaphocephalic

(long/narrow) headshape

>

>

> ------- Original Message -------

> From : Durocher[mailto:funwith4@...]

> Sent : 3/25/2008 10:04:14 PM

> To : plagiocephaly

> Cc :

> Subject : RE: irony

>

>

> OK, I will first admit that I ap my children so I lay with kids

until they fall asleep and if they wake up in the night so sometimes

I am laying around waiting with nothing to do so I think about weird

things if nothing else is on my mind lol. I especially like little

quirky isn't that weirds

>

> So here are my 2 for today as both pertain to Plagio. I wonder

how ironic it is that my only very late talker was my only plagio

baby. There are so little studies done and the few done are small

scale and there are even different ways plagio effects a child that

would have to be taken into account to do a study on everything.

But in the few bits of reading it talks about effecting ear and jaw

but more implies fluid/ear infections. Well my Plagio baby had

Plagio pretty much from birth. Hearing tested fine at birth, never

tested after that but he passes all the milestones to assume he

doesn't have a hearing problem or at least not a chronic one. Yet

all my other children have said their 1st at least 3 words by their

1st bday. said no words at 12 mo, no words at 15 mo even. He

was banded from 9-12 mo and had severe ear assymetry.

>

> But an interesting OTOH, he did not have a single ear issue before

he was banded. He didn't get his 1st ear infection until 15 mo (my

2nd got her 1st at 6 mo, my 3rd at 5 mo and both by his age had had

severel), so post band. It was a bad double ear infection and now

we are not even sure it went completely away b/c it has been a month

and he has a severe double ear infection. As irony has it though,

it was during the antibiotics from the 1st one that he finally

started talking. Of course this makes me wonder if he has had fluid

in the inner ear at all prior to this since that is not something we

would be able to know without testing for it and it would effect

speech. Which of course led me to, if it was in the inner ear and

now that we have straitened his ears has it somehow effected

drainage so that instead it is now in the middle ear thus causing

ear infections? Even with now knowing some words it isnt like my

other kids learned words. His are not comprehendable real

> ly, except mama. Not that my other kids spoke perfectly, my 2nd

had a lot of articulation issues. But most ppl could guess what

they were saying, I do not think anyone but me could guess what he

says except mama. dada was comprehendable too but he has said it

less than a handful of times and I havent heard it in weeks. But

his other words are weird. he says a sound like " oosch " which

is " shoes " then he says a sound like " eesch " which is cheese or keys

depending on the context. then he says the long i sound which is

what he says for hi and bye. even more interesting he also finally

started signing at that time, signing dog and fish and again he

should have signed well before a year.

>

> Really makes you wonder

>

> Of course what I really believe is that the ear infections are due

to a lessening of his immune system and immunities b/c he stopped

breastfeeding at 14 mo, 1st ear infection within a month. But still

interesting looking and wondering about if Plagio can play any role

>

> --

> SC SAHM to , , , , and what should we

name our baby girl?

>

> " We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget

that he is someone today. " ~Stacia Tauscher

>