Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Lynda, How long have you been taking the hydrocortisone? I have been on treatment for my adrenals for 9 months now and only have a few more to go before they take me off treatment. I have been looking for others that have taken this treatment and been taken off. I wanted to find out what they expierienced once the treatement was over? Anyone taken treatment for their Adrenals and care to share the results? LaCretia > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:47:37 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lyn.worth@... >Received: from n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.45]) by >mc12-f42.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 >23:50:51 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec >2004 07:47:59 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 >Dec 2004 07:47:59 -0000 >Received: (qmail 84067 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2004 07:47:58 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >8 Dec 2004 07:47:58 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.8) >by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 07:47:58 -0000 >Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by >mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id ><20041208074757.BFOB25703.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@...\ ..com> > for <NaturalThyroidHormones >; Wed, 8 Dec >2004 07:47:57 +0000 >Received: from lynda ([82.1.178.85]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com > with SMTP id ><20041208074756.LWEI2279.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@lynda> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:47:56 >+0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG54AJ0fAmeKUZKPrKBw5j/ >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.250.162.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: lyndaill >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-41900-1102492079-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 07:50:51.0702 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A38C1D60:01C4DCFA] > > >Hi , >well, it's one of the symptoms - have you checked Dr Rind's list? I was >taking hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 a day (cheaper to buy 20mg tabs and cut them >up) >I now take deltacortril 5mg a day, seems to work better as you only have to >take it once a day and the effect lasts 24 hours >Lynda (in the UK) > Lynda...adrenals > > > > > Lynda, > > What do you take for your adrenals? Didnt realize that when > you wake up for hours at night its the adrenals. > > /WA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I was taking hydrocortisone for about 9 months, then switched to deltacortril 3 to 4 months ago. I feel better on the delta Lynda (in the UK) Re: Lynda...adrenals Lynda, How long have you been taking the hydrocortisone? I have been on treatment for my adrenals for 9 months now and only have a few more to go before they take me off treatment. I have been looking for others that have taken this treatment and been taken off. I wanted to find out what they expierienced once the treatement was over? Anyone taken treatment for their Adrenals and care to share the results? LaCretia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 How do you know when you adrenals are repaired? When on Cortef, it shuts down the adrenals...so how would you know? The doc told me in a few months we will start the process of weining off and I would get very sick for about 2-3 months while my adrenals try to kick back on. Have you went through this? > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:19:40 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lyn.worth@... >Received: from n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.50]) by >mc3-f14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >07:23:54 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 15:20:57 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.156] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 15:20:57 -0000 >Received: (qmail 90681 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 15:20:54 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 15:20:54 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.8) >by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 15:20:53 -0000 >Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by >mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id ><20041210152051.ZZFS28609.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@...\ ..com> > for <NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 >Dec 2004 15:20:51 +0000 >Received: from lynda ([82.1.178.85]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com > with SMTP id ><20041210152051.WVQN2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@lynda> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >15:20:51 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.250.162.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: lyndaill >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42255-1102692056-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 15:23:55.0405 (UTC) >FILETIME=[431F83D0:01C4DECC] > > >I'm self treating, no docs involved. I switched because I still didn't >feel well on the cortef, still had a lot of adrenal symptoms. Doing much >better on the delta and I plan to wean off slowly when I feel that all of >the adrenal problems have been resolved. >Lynda (in the UK) > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > Lynda, > How long do they have you on treatment for and why did you switch drugs? > I'm curious to learn from someone else taking this type of treatment. >Did > they tell you that they will take you off eventually? > > LaCretia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 yes Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamy To: NaturalThyroidHormones Sent: 10 December 2004 19:18 astro ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I agree with you Lynda the operative word is in porportion which usually means physiologic doses which do not suppress the adrenals. I have read on other groups that 's book is not held in great esteem as is Jefferies. I am on physiologic doses and am doing better but am not ready to come off it yet either. I am not worried about it when I do decide either. Deb Re: Lynda...adrenals Yahoo! Groups Survey Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey now! >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si important >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg hydrocortisone is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you know how I feel. I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. Lynda (in the UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: LaCretia Mozingo To: NaturalThyroidHormones Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book that states it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I feel that it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I have mine, my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy and very fatigue too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:09:52 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lyn.worth@... >Received: from n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.40]) by >mc6-f42.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >12:16:00 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.8) >by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 20:15:22 -0000 >Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by >mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id ><20041210201135.OKNP28609.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@...\ ..com> > for <NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 >Dec 2004 20:11:35 +0000 >Received: from lynda ([82.1.178.85]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com > with SMTP id ><20041210201135.VSFR27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@lynda> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >20:11:35 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.250.162.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: lyndaill >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42336-1102709723-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 20:16:00.0132 (UTC) >FILETIME=[10ACA440:01C4DEF5] > > >Well, I wouldn't be capable of doing that kind of activity, so maybe that's >your answer. The key word with this kind of treatment is REST, REST AND >MORE REST >Lynda > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > If this is the case then, why do I still have crashes? I have had >issues > where like during the summer we went to a water park over the weekend. > During the visit at the park I had hypoglycemic episodes which required >me > to eat something sweet to get over. Then about 3 days afterwards...bit > crash. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:09:52 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lyn.worth@... >Received: from n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.40]) by >mc6-f42.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >12:16:00 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.8) >by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 20:15:22 -0000 >Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by >mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id ><20041210201135.OKNP28609.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@...\ ..com> > for <NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 >Dec 2004 20:11:35 +0000 >Received: from lynda ([82.1.178.85]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com > with SMTP id ><20041210201135.VSFR27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@lynda> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >20:11:35 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.250.162.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: lyndaill >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42336-1102709723-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 20:16:00.0132 (UTC) >FILETIME=[10ACA440:01C4DEF5] > > >Well, I wouldn't be capable of doing that kind of activity, so maybe that's >your answer. The key word with this kind of treatment is REST, REST AND >MORE REST >Lynda > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > If this is the case then, why do I still have crashes? I have had >issues > where like during the summer we went to a water park over the weekend. > During the visit at the park I had hypoglycemic episodes which required >me > to eat something sweet to get over. Then about 3 days afterwards...bit > crash. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:09:52 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: lyn.worth@... >Received: from n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.40]) by >mc6-f42.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >12:16:00 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 20:15:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.8) >by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 20:15:22 -0000 >Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by >mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id ><20041210201135.OKNP28609.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@...\ ..com> > for <NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 >Dec 2004 20:11:35 +0000 >Received: from lynda ([82.1.178.85]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com > with SMTP id ><20041210201135.VSFR27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@lynda> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >20:11:35 +0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 212.250.162.8 >X-Yahoo-Profile: lyndaill >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42336-1102709723-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 20:16:00.0132 (UTC) >FILETIME=[10ACA440:01C4DEF5] > > >Well, I wouldn't be capable of doing that kind of activity, so maybe that's >your answer. The key word with this kind of treatment is REST, REST AND >MORE REST >Lynda > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > If this is the case then, why do I still have crashes? I have had >issues > where like during the summer we went to a water park over the weekend. > During the visit at the park I had hypoglycemic episodes which required >me > to eat something sweet to get over. Then about 3 days afterwards...bit > crash. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. 20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey >now! > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si important > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg hydrocortisone >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you know >how I feel. > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > Lynda (in the UK) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LaCretia Mozingo > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book that >states > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I feel >that > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I have >mine, > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy and >very > fatigue too. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. 20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey >now! > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si important > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg hydrocortisone >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you know >how I feel. > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > Lynda (in the UK) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LaCretia Mozingo > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book that >states > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I feel >that > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I have >mine, > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy and >very > fatigue too. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. 20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey >now! > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si important > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg hydrocortisone >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you know >how I feel. > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > Lynda (in the UK) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LaCretia Mozingo > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book that >states > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I feel >that > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I have >mine, > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy and >very > fatigue too. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Re: Lynda...adrenals I agree with you Lynda the operative word is in porportion which usually means physiologic doses which do not suppress the adrenals. I have read on other groups that 's book is not held in great esteem as is Jefferies. I am on physiologic doses and am doing better but am not ready to come off it yet either. I am not worried about it when I do decide either. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Re: Lynda...adrenals I agree with you Lynda the operative word is in porportion which usually means physiologic doses which do not suppress the adrenals. I have read on other groups that 's book is not held in great esteem as is Jefferies. I am on physiologic doses and am doing better but am not ready to come off it yet either. I am not worried about it when I do decide either. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Re: Lynda...adrenals I agree with you Lynda the operative word is in porportion which usually means physiologic doses which do not suppress the adrenals. I have read on other groups that 's book is not held in great esteem as is Jefferies. I am on physiologic doses and am doing better but am not ready to come off it yet either. I am not worried about it when I do decide either. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Deb, I agree with what you guys are saying. It's just I have these crashes when I'm not even under stress. They just come from now where. They last anywhere from 15 mintues - 3 days. I have times where my muscles will go weak and I get soooo sleepy. If I lay down for 15-30 minutes it seems to help and it goes away sometimes. Do you know why these occur? What has been your expierience? LaCretia > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:02:24 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: mdstephenson@... >Received: from n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.39]) by >mc2-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >13:07:19 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: (qmail 78693 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from eiygn ([70.105.224.169]) by out003.verizon.net >(InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-0910) with ESMTP >id <20041210210244.MEXN1106.out003.verizon.net@eiygn> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >15:02:44 -0600 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEux00tfrIdNJ7DFQBFXosRmvTNaVYT05M= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from >[70.105.224.169] at Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:02:44 -0600 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.103 >X-Yahoo-Profile: hatten48 >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42349-1102712570-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 21:07:19.0142 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3BE84860:01C4DEFC] > > >I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is >up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal >related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working >properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school >when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw >up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just >what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is >physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. >20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I >have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such >a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your >adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't >forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey > >now! > > > > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si >important > > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg >hydrocortisone > >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you >know > >how I feel. > > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > > Lynda (in the UK) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: LaCretia Mozingo > > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book >that > >states > > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I >feel > >that > > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I >have > >mine, > > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy >and > >very > > fatigue too. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Deb, I agree with what you guys are saying. It's just I have these crashes when I'm not even under stress. They just come from now where. They last anywhere from 15 mintues - 3 days. I have times where my muscles will go weak and I get soooo sleepy. If I lay down for 15-30 minutes it seems to help and it goes away sometimes. Do you know why these occur? What has been your expierience? LaCretia > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:02:24 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: mdstephenson@... >Received: from n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.39]) by >mc2-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >13:07:19 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: (qmail 78693 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from eiygn ([70.105.224.169]) by out003.verizon.net >(InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-0910) with ESMTP >id <20041210210244.MEXN1106.out003.verizon.net@eiygn> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >15:02:44 -0600 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEux00tfrIdNJ7DFQBFXosRmvTNaVYT05M= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from >[70.105.224.169] at Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:02:44 -0600 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.103 >X-Yahoo-Profile: hatten48 >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42349-1102712570-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 21:07:19.0142 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3BE84860:01C4DEFC] > > >I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is >up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal >related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working >properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school >when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw >up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just >what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is >physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. >20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I >have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such >a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your >adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't >forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey > >now! > > > > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si >important > > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg >hydrocortisone > >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you >know > >how I feel. > > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > > Lynda (in the UK) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: LaCretia Mozingo > > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book >that > >states > > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I >feel > >that > > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I >have > >mine, > > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy >and > >very > > fatigue too. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Deb, I agree with what you guys are saying. It's just I have these crashes when I'm not even under stress. They just come from now where. They last anywhere from 15 mintues - 3 days. I have times where my muscles will go weak and I get soooo sleepy. If I lay down for 15-30 minutes it seems to help and it goes away sometimes. Do you know why these occur? What has been your expierience? LaCretia > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: <NaturalThyroidHormones > >Subject: Re: Lynda...adrenals >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:02:24 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: mdstephenson@... >Received: from n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.39]) by >mc2-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >13:07:19 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec >2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.30] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 >Dec 2004 21:04:06 -0000 >Received: (qmail 78693 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 21:02:49 -0000 >Received: from eiygn ([70.105.224.169]) by out003.verizon.net >(InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-0910) with ESMTP >id <20041210210244.MEXN1106.out003.verizon.net@eiygn> for ><NaturalThyroidHormones >; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 >15:02:44 -0600 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEux00tfrIdNJ7DFQBFXosRmvTNaVYT05M= >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >References: >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from >[70.105.224.169] at Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:02:44 -0600 >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.46.170.103 >X-Yahoo-Profile: hatten48 >Mailing-List: list NaturalThyroidHormones ; contact >NaturalThyroidHormones-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list NaturalThyroidHormones >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:NaturalThyroidHormones-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-7991139-42349-1102712570-lacretiamo=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 21:07:19.0142 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3BE84860:01C4DEFC] > > >I don't know if I can answer all your questions but I will tell you what is >up with me and maybe that will help. First off hypoglycemia is adrenal >related. I was diagnosed in 1987. So my adrenals were not working >properly as long ago as that and I can even remember back in high school >when I got really hungry and did not eat I would get so sick I would throw >up. That's all adrenals not functioning properly. The crashes may be just >what your doc said. If you are under any additional stress whether it is >physical or emotional you need to compensate with alittle more cortef. >20mg is considered a phsyiologic dose and does not as far as anything I >have read shut down your adrenals. I am not sure why your doc paints such >a drastic picture of coming off cortef. It is done gradually so your >adrenals adapt slowly and you may be alittle tired but I really don't >forsee that you should be very ill for several months. deb > Re: Lynda...adrenals > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Survey > > Please help us to improve Yahoo! Groups. Take the survey > >now! > > > > > > >It is important to remember that corticosteroids suppress adrenal > > >function in proportion to the dosage. For this reason it si >important > > >that treatment should be withdrawn slowly, never abruptly. > > > > I think the important part is " in proportion to the dosage " > > > > According to Jefferies in the Safe Uses of Cortisol 20mg >hydrocortisone > >is a safe dosage, I am taking 5mg delta which is equal to that. > > Truth is I haven't tried to come off it yet, when I do I let you >know > >how I feel. > > I don't have any crashes, I feel consistently better on it. > > Lynda (in the UK) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: LaCretia Mozingo > > To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > Sent: 10 December 2004 18:20 > > I have looked at it and I just finished reading Dr 's book >that > >states > > it does shut down the adrenals. From the crashes I have on it, I >feel > >that > > it does shut them down. Do you also have these crashes? When I >have > >mine, > > my muscles get very weak and feel like weights. I will feel dizzy >and > >very > > fatigue too. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I sometimes get blurry vision too, sometimes it lasts all day. I would recommend that you get hold of Dr Jeffries book The Safe Uses of Cortisol, I don't have a lot of faith in what your doc is telling you. If he is so concerned about the consequences why did he put you on it in the first place Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I sometimes get blurry vision too, sometimes it lasts all day. I would recommend that you get hold of Dr Jeffries book The Safe Uses of Cortisol, I don't have a lot of faith in what your doc is telling you. If he is so concerned about the consequences why did he put you on it in the first place Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I sometimes get blurry vision too, sometimes it lasts all day. I would recommend that you get hold of Dr Jeffries book The Safe Uses of Cortisol, I don't have a lot of faith in what your doc is telling you. If he is so concerned about the consequences why did he put you on it in the first place Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Well that was an extreme case. Yesterday after I ate lunch... I got very dizzy and my vision was blurry. I have never had any kind of eye problems... I felt pretty tired too. I'm just trying to understand how to control the symptoms better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm sorry felt she had to leave as well. If you have any kind of issues with female hormones and you want to join 's group, let me know off-list and I will give you the address Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm sorry felt she had to leave as well. If you have any kind of issues with female hormones and you want to join 's group, let me know off-list and I will give you the address Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm sorry felt she had to leave as well. If you have any kind of issues with female hormones and you want to join 's group, let me know off-list and I will give you the address Lynda Re: Lynda...adrenals Yes, Peatfield is another great doc who writes about this. Sorry to hear isn't on this group anymore she has given me great advice about adrenals before. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 >>I have times where my muscles will go weak and I get soooo sleepy. If I lay down for 15-30 minutes it seems to help and it goes away sometimes. Do you know why these occur?<< This sounds like a typical thyroid crash! Just running out of T3. I used to do that all the time in my pre-Armour days. Increasing my dosage and splitting them has stopped this. I would even do this sometimes on 4.5 grains a day when I was dosing 2 times a day then I broke my dose up to four times a day where I have no more " slumps " as I call them. Mine had nothing to do with adrenals. It felt like suddenly I couldn;t raise my arms, legs or stay awake. A nap always seemed to help, but sometimes my naps ended up being 3-5 hours. I hardly ever nap now! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 >>I have times where my muscles will go weak and I get soooo sleepy. If I lay down for 15-30 minutes it seems to help and it goes away sometimes. Do you know why these occur?<< This sounds like a typical thyroid crash! Just running out of T3. I used to do that all the time in my pre-Armour days. Increasing my dosage and splitting them has stopped this. I would even do this sometimes on 4.5 grains a day when I was dosing 2 times a day then I broke my dose up to four times a day where I have no more " slumps " as I call them. Mine had nothing to do with adrenals. It felt like suddenly I couldn;t raise my arms, legs or stay awake. A nap always seemed to help, but sometimes my naps ended up being 3-5 hours. I hardly ever nap now! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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