Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ********************************************************************************\ ********************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ********************************************************************************\ ************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ********************************************************************************\ ********************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ********************************************************************************\ ************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ********************************************************************************\ ********************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ********************************************************************************\ ************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ********************************************************************************\ ********************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ********************************************************************************\ ************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Our son is bilateral. He has always been set on 70 degrees, since he wnet into the foot brace. Our Physio checked his hips last week and she said they were fine and that he would continue to be set on 70 until further notice. She said she might reduce it later when he is a bit older. He is 15 months now. Rach, Steve & Connor -- Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ***************************************************************************** *********************** Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ***************************************************************************** **************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Our son is bilateral. He has always been set on 70 degrees, since he wnet into the foot brace. Our Physio checked his hips last week and she said they were fine and that he would continue to be set on 70 until further notice. She said she might reduce it later when he is a bit older. He is 15 months now. Rach, Steve & Connor -- Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ***************************************************************************** *********************** Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ***************************************************************************** **************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Our son is bilateral. He has always been set on 70 degrees, since he wnet into the foot brace. Our Physio checked his hips last week and she said they were fine and that he would continue to be set on 70 until further notice. She said she might reduce it later when he is a bit older. He is 15 months now. Rach, Steve & Connor -- Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} ***************************************************************************** *********************** Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ ***************************************************************************** **************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at 70 degrees. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} **************************************************************************** ************************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ **************************************************************************** ****************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 is in the straight last shoes and is set at 45 degrees. Should I question my dr tomorrow? Now I am concerned. 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 tracy@...> wrote: My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at 70 degrees. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} **************************************************************************** ************************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ **************************************************************************** ****************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 , when the last set of casts were applied, were they set to at least a 70 degree rotation as they should have been? If they were not, would most likely not be able to tolerate the FAB set to 70 degrees. If your doctor is practicing the Ponseti Method, then yes, I would question the rotation of the shoes on the bar and ask why they are not set at 70 degrees as per Ponseti protocol. Hope this helps, Daiga and Owen > Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least > one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once > again... hope this helps :~} > > ********************************************************************** ******************************* > > > Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of > casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some > things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete > and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after > weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that > just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the > tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I > knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed > from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how > to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while > very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why > she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make > sure the heel is down either. > > We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby > whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she > was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, > really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted > properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but > I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A > little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you > he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes > a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep > the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do > have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the > correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on > or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand > another cast and move on and try again. > > OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have > unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the > near future. I know I could have used this information when we first > started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and > your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share > with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time > to compile something like that? > > > > > > Kori > Mama of > Kenton 6/98 > Merek 3/00 > Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day > (¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸.·´ > > ********************************************************************** ************************ > > > How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction > Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) > > > Before you put the shoes on the first time: > > Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the > shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out > of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace > them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the > middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side > being longer than the other. I love this tip! > > Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This > allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of > the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf > doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated > the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for > lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the > top hole. > > We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than > the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching > them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can > be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left > shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a > baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the > straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will > have to decide which is easier for you. > > Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently > this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. > > If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum > padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need > the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with > plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new > style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it > might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist > whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The > padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some > babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working > on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a > differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't > turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of > her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try > loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep > the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have > taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't > see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. > > Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or > Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 > for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem > to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect > sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors > on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few > months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use > tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, > black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm > when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very > well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure > they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely > knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet > where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on > baby's skin > (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min > all night long) > > Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check > the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on > for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing > signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the > following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet > often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of > distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming > things are ok - keep the brace on. > > > > > Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without > causing pain or sores) > > 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is > simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first > time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and > make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the > grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It > is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as > it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut > there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at > with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the > right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is > harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red > adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree > markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 > degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point > on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you > do take them off the bar). But if you can, try > it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with > the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar > that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes > off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold > non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for > you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or > 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without > taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the > gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable > bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long > ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off > of easily. > > 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as > well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole > loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps > don't need to be buckled. > > 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the > knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the > shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes > upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and > flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and > back of the shoe. > > 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or > other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue > keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the > strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the > knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re- tighten > the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too > much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe > again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It > must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So > keep going till it's really tight. > > 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press > into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if > they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to > wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! > > 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it > to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it > sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't > cut it above the stitching) > > 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe > should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it > easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done > everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. > > 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves > it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above > instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel > into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward > the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you > will get used to it and very good at it in short time. > > 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. > > 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If > your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby > is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other > side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. > > > Signs of trouble: > > Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the > time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes > at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black > marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. > > All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If > pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the > problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes > once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed > to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for > a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore > heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure > or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the > above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the > shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is > often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight > enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the > heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find > you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while > you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. > > After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually > cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve > pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It > is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long > term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that > they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see > to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term > bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it > is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with > the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and > are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till > baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact > me personally - frogabog@q... and I can help you find a solution to > healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any > other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - > there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep > the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to > complete the non-surgical treatment. > > Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: > > Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but > will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little > lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in > before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - > non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home > with you from the hospital in a sample size). > > Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in > the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) > should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for > baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the > heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check > this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling > out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB > and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it > isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because > they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. > > Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT > LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last > cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed > to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then > set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your > doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be > at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to > re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where > the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not > put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable > discomfort for the baby. > > Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can > show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first > but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor > irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. > > It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you > can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child > and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you > need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a > weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your > own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain > she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the > brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on > incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a > hole... but don't make sores worse. > > If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets > some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing > the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is > absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have > it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days > while baby is > getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep > the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be > there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the > brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough > for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping > the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have > a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to > do just fine without them. > > Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're > here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and > bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > Post message: clubfoot > Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe > Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe > List owner: clubfoot-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot > *********************************************************** > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I would definitely ask him about it and see what his reasons are for setting them at only 45-degrees. Dr. Ponseti says they should be set at 70-degrees. If he's modifying the method, you might want to consider finding another doctor who is trained in the method and actually follows it. But, I'm not a doctor, so he could have a good reason for setting it at 45-degrees, but I've not heard of any reason to do that before. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace I was reading your tips... and I am confused about something. You said that clubfeet should be set at 70 degrees. has bilateral clubfeet and both of his feet are set at 45 degrees per our dr. recommendation. Now I am not sure if this is right. Should I question my dr???? 2/9/04 BLCF DBB 23/7 frogabog frogabog@...> wrote: Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once again... hope this helps :~} **************************************************************************** ************************* Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make sure the heel is down either. We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand another cast and move on and try again. OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the near future. I know I could have used this information when we first started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time to compile something like that? Kori Mama of Kenton 6/98 Merek 3/00 Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day (¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) `·.¸.·´ **************************************************************************** ****************** How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) Before you put the shoes on the first time: Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side being longer than the other. I love this tip! Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the top hole. We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will have to decide which is easier for you. Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on baby's skin (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min all night long) Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming things are ok - keep the brace on. Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without causing pain or sores) 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you do take them off the bar). But if you can, try it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off of easily. 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps don't need to be buckled. 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and back of the shoe. 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re-tighten the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So keep going till it's really tight. 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't cut it above the stitching) 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you will get used to it and very good at it in short time. 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. Signs of trouble: Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact me personally - frogabog@... and I can help you find a solution to healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to complete the non-surgical treatment. Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home with you from the hospital in a sample size). Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable discomfort for the baby. Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a hole... but don't make sores worse. If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days while baby is getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to do just fine without them. Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. *********************************************************** Post message: clubfoot Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe List owner: clubfoot-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi , So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd know better than I of course. Kori At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at >70 degrees. > > and >BCF 03/25/2004 >DBB 23/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi , So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd know better than I of course. Kori At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at >70 degrees. > > and >BCF 03/25/2004 >DBB 23/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi , So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd know better than I of course. Kori At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at >70 degrees. > > and >BCF 03/25/2004 >DBB 23/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Although the protocol calls for the rotation to be set at 70 degrees, I have read posts where Dr. Ponseti adjusted it to 45 for various reasons. You might want to email Dr. Ponseti and see what he thinks. Robin & Rose 3/12/03 Right club foot Daiga Grady daiga.grady@...> wrote: , when the last set of casts were applied, were they set to at least a 70 degree rotation as they should have been? If they were not, would most likely not be able to tolerate the FAB set to 70 degrees. If your doctor is practicing the Ponseti Method, then yes, I would question the rotation of the shoes on the bar and ask why they are not set at 70 degrees as per Ponseti protocol. Hope this helps, Daiga and Owen > Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least > one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once > again... hope this helps :~} > > ********************************************************************** ******************************* > > > Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of > casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some > things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete > and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after > weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that > just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the > tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I > knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed > from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how > to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while > very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why > she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make > sure the heel is down either. > > We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby > whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she > was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, > really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted > properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but > I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A > little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you > he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes > a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep > the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do > have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the > correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on > or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand > another cast and move on and try again. > > OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have > unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the > near future. I know I could have used this information when we first > started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and > your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share > with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time > to compile something like that? > > > > > > Kori > Mama of > Kenton 6/98 > Merek 3/00 > Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day > (¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸.·´ > > ********************************************************************** ************************ > > > How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction > Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) > > > Before you put the shoes on the first time: > > Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the > shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out > of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace > them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the > middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side > being longer than the other. I love this tip! > > Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This > allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of > the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf > doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated > the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for > lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the > top hole. > > We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than > the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching > them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can > be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left > shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a > baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the > straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will > have to decide which is easier for you. > > Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently > this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. > > If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum > padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need > the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with > plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new > style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it > might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist > whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The > padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some > babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working > on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a > differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't > turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of > her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try > loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep > the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have > taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't > see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. > > Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or > Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 > for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem > to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect > sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors > on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few > months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use > tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, > black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm > when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very > well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure > they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely > knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet > where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on > baby's skin > (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min > all night long) > > Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check > the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on > for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing > signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the > following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet > often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of > distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming > things are ok - keep the brace on. > > > > > Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without > causing pain or sores) > > 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is > simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first > time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and > make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the > grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It > is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as > it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut > there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at > with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the > right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is > harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red > adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree > markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 > degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point > on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you > do take them off the bar). But if you can, try > it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with > the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar > that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes > off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold > non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for > you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or > 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without > taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the > gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable > bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long > ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off > of easily. > > 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as > well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole > loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps > don't need to be buckled. > > 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the > knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the > shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes > upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and > flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and > back of the shoe. > > 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or > other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue > keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the > strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the > knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re- tighten > the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too > much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe > again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It > must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So > keep going till it's really tight. > > 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press > into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if > they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to > wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! > > 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it > to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it > sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't > cut it above the stitching) > > 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe > should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it > easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done > everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. > > 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves > it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above > instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel > into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward > the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you > will get used to it and very good at it in short time. > > 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. > > 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If > your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby > is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other > side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. > > > Signs of trouble: > > Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the > time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes > at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black > marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. > > All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If > pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the > problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes > once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed > to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for > a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore > heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure > or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the > above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the > shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is > often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight > enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the > heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find > you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while > you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. > > After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually > cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve > pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It > is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long > term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that > they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see > to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term > bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it > is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with > the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and > are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till > baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact > me personally - frogabog@q... and I can help you find a solution to > healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any > other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - > there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep > the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to > complete the non-surgical treatment. > > Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: > > Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but > will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little > lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in > before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - > non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home > with you from the hospital in a sample size). > > Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in > the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) > should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for > baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the > heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check > this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling > out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB > and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it > isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because > they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. > > Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT > LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last > cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed > to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then > set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your > doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be > at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to > re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where > the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not > put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable > discomfort for the baby. > > Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can > show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first > but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor > irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. > > It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you > can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child > and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you > need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a > weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your > own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain > she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the > brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on > incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a > hole... but don't make sores worse. > > If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets > some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing > the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is > absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have > it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days > while baby is > getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep > the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be > there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the > brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough > for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping > the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have > a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to > do just fine without them. > > Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're > here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and > bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > Post message: clubfoot > Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe > Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe > List owner: clubfoot-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot > *********************************************************** > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Although the protocol calls for the rotation to be set at 70 degrees, I have read posts where Dr. Ponseti adjusted it to 45 for various reasons. You might want to email Dr. Ponseti and see what he thinks. Robin & Rose 3/12/03 Right club foot Daiga Grady daiga.grady@...> wrote: , when the last set of casts were applied, were they set to at least a 70 degree rotation as they should have been? If they were not, would most likely not be able to tolerate the FAB set to 70 degrees. If your doctor is practicing the Ponseti Method, then yes, I would question the rotation of the shoes on the bar and ask why they are not set at 70 degrees as per Ponseti protocol. Hope this helps, Daiga and Owen > Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least > one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once > again... hope this helps :~} > > ********************************************************************** ******************************* > > > Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of > casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some > things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete > and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after > weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that > just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the > tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I > knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed > from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how > to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while > very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why > she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make > sure the heel is down either. > > We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby > whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she > was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, > really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted > properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but > I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A > little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you > he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes > a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep > the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do > have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the > correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on > or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand > another cast and move on and try again. > > OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have > unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the > near future. I know I could have used this information when we first > started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and > your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share > with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time > to compile something like that? > > > > > > Kori > Mama of > Kenton 6/98 > Merek 3/00 > Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day > (¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸.·´ > > ********************************************************************** ************************ > > > How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction > Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) > > > Before you put the shoes on the first time: > > Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the > shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out > of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace > them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the > middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side > being longer than the other. I love this tip! > > Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This > allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of > the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf > doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated > the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for > lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the > top hole. > > We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than > the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching > them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can > be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left > shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a > baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the > straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will > have to decide which is easier for you. > > Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently > this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. > > If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum > padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need > the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with > plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new > style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it > might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist > whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The > padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some > babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working > on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a > differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't > turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of > her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try > loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep > the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have > taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't > see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. > > Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or > Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 > for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem > to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect > sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors > on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few > months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use > tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, > black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm > when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very > well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure > they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely > knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet > where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on > baby's skin > (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min > all night long) > > Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check > the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on > for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing > signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the > following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet > often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of > distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming > things are ok - keep the brace on. > > > > > Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without > causing pain or sores) > > 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is > simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first > time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and > make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the > grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It > is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as > it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut > there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at > with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the > right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is > harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red > adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree > markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 > degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point > on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you > do take them off the bar). But if you can, try > it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with > the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar > that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes > off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold > non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for > you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or > 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without > taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the > gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable > bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long > ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off > of easily. > > 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as > well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole > loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps > don't need to be buckled. > > 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the > knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the > shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes > upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and > flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and > back of the shoe. > > 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or > other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue > keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the > strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the > knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re- tighten > the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too > much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe > again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It > must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So > keep going till it's really tight. > > 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press > into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if > they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to > wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! > > 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it > to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it > sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't > cut it above the stitching) > > 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe > should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it > easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done > everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. > > 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves > it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above > instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel > into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward > the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you > will get used to it and very good at it in short time. > > 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. > > 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If > your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby > is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other > side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. > > > Signs of trouble: > > Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the > time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes > at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black > marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. > > All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If > pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the > problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes > once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed > to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for > a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore > heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure > or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the > above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the > shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is > often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight > enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the > heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find > you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while > you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. > > After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually > cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve > pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It > is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long > term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that > they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see > to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term > bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it > is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with > the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and > are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till > baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact > me personally - frogabog@q... and I can help you find a solution to > healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any > other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - > there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep > the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to > complete the non-surgical treatment. > > Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: > > Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but > will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little > lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in > before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - > non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home > with you from the hospital in a sample size). > > Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in > the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) > should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for > baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the > heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check > this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling > out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB > and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it > isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because > they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. > > Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT > LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last > cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed > to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then > set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your > doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be > at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to > re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where > the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not > put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable > discomfort for the baby. > > Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can > show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first > but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor > irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. > > It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you > can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child > and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you > need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a > weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your > own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain > she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the > brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on > incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a > hole... but don't make sores worse. > > If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets > some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing > the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is > absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have > it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days > while baby is > getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep > the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be > there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the > brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough > for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping > the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have > a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to > do just fine without them. > > Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're > here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and > bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > Post message: clubfoot > Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe > Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe > List owner: clubfoot-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot > *********************************************************** > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 , Although the protocol calls for the rotation to be set at 70 degrees, I have read posts where Dr. Ponseti adjusted it to 45 for various reasons. You might want to email Dr. Ponseti and see what he thinks. Robin & Rose 3/12/03 Right club foot Daiga Grady daiga.grady@...> wrote: , when the last set of casts were applied, were they set to at least a 70 degree rotation as they should have been? If they were not, would most likely not be able to tolerate the FAB set to 70 degrees. If your doctor is practicing the Ponseti Method, then yes, I would question the rotation of the shoes on the bar and ask why they are not set at 70 degrees as per Ponseti protocol. Hope this helps, Daiga and Owen > Time for the bi-weekly post of tips and tricks - I know there is at least > one new mom (Sharon from NoSurgery) who needs this. Perhaps more. So once > again... hope this helps :~} > > ********************************************************************** ******************************* > > > Lots of people have good advice for starting out in the DBB fresh out of > casts. I wrote this up a few months ago and it needs modification and some > things added because while it's got lots of info in it - it's not complete > and not the *only* way to do it. It is however what worked for us after > weeks and weeks of unhappy baby and a rather severe sore on her heel that > just wouldn't heal. Darbi's foot was well corrected, she did not have the > tenotomy and we STILL had issues. I even asked about AFO's even though I > knew they weren't the answer I was so frustrated. Our problems stemmed > from not getting her heel down 100% - I didn't have the tools to know how > to make sure it was seated properly and the Ortho at the brace shop, while > very good and trying very hard with many different things to figure out why > she got and couldn't get rid of the sore didn't know these tricks to make > sure the heel is down either. > > We lived - and when it was all said and done I had a totally different baby > whose foot did not hurt and who finally acted like the baby I knew she > was. She was totally happy in her brace from then on. So it's really, > really very true... they don't mind the brace at all if it's fitted > properly and isn't hurting them. I think I say this in the text below but > I'll say it again... Listen to you baby and trust your instincts. A > little frustration is normal - when your baby is crying and telling you > he/she hurts she probably does and you need to find out why before it makes > a sore and it REALLY hurts and won't heal. It is VERY important to keep > the shoes on - but if you can't without making sores or causing pain you do > have options other than AFO's (which do not work) to keep the > correction. Your doc may not agree and tell you to put the shoes back on > or even to take them off for a few days or a week - don't listen. Demand > another cast and move on and try again. > > OK - so here it is - my tips (see below). I hope this helps those who have > unhappy babies and/or those who have the DBB/FAB to look forward to in the > near future. I know I could have used this information when we first > started. Other parents please chime in and tell us what worked for you and > your child. Maybe someday we can have a fully comprehensive file to share > with new parents with all our tips included in one text. Anyone have time > to compile something like that? > > > > > > Kori > Mama of > Kenton 6/98 > Merek 3/00 > Darbi 3/03 - Rt. CF - DBB 12hr/day > (¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) > `·.¸.·´ > > ********************************************************************** ************************ > > > How to put Markell Open Toe Boots attached to Brace FAB/DBB (Foot Abduction > Brace/Dennis Browne Bar) > > > Before you put the shoes on the first time: > > Take the laces out and tie a knot in the middle. Then re-lace the > shoes. Tie a knot at the very ends of each lace end so they don't come out > of the holes. This has been a lifesaver for us - we never have to re-lace > them and can pull them very loose to get the shoes on. The knot in the > middle shows us that they're even each time so I never worry about one side > being longer than the other. I love this tip! > > Consider slitting the tongue keeper slit up to the top of the tongue. This > allows the tongue to sit low on the top of the foot - and allows the top of > the boot to be tightened up on the ankle enough so the fatty baby calf > doesn't pull the heel up and out. The tighter the ankle, the better seated > the foot will be. Also, you do not have to use the top hole for > lacing. With little feet it can help keep them in if you don't lace the > top hole. > > We find it easier to have the straps and buckles on the inside rather than > the outside. Since the feet are pointed out in the first place cinching > them up on the inside is just easier in general. Straight Last shoes can > be installed on either side of the DBB - as they are not a right or left > shoe. The Ponseti Method uses straight last shoes although sometimes a > baby will get reverse last. If you got reverse last shoes ask about the > straight last shoes. Some people like the straps on the outside - you will > have to decide which is easier for you. > > Install the strap in the lower hole on each side of the boot. Apparently > this is the best position to keep the foot in the shoes. > > If you have the older style Markell boots (no extended heel pocket, minimum > padding at the ankle and no factory padding on the tongue) you will need > the plastizode heel insert and some brace shops pad the tongue with > plastizode as well. Some brace shops are still padding the heel in the new > style shoes. We have found that it is not necessary, but for some feet it > might still be necessary. You will have to decide with your orthotist > whether or not you want to try it with or without he padding at first. The > padding on the tongue from the factory (new style)has shown with some > babies to cause red marks and even sores in some cases. They are working > on changing the tongue padding so it doesn't do this, look for a > differently designed tongue soon. If your baby gets red marks that don't > turn into sores it should be fine (Darbi has had red marks on the top of > her feet for a year now - but no sores). If sores form you can try > loosening the strap and tightening the laces but it may be harder to keep > the foot in the shoe if you don't tighten them enough. Some parents have > taken the tongue out entirely and that has helped but most parents don't > see sores, just redness which doesn't seem to irritate much but it looks weird. > > Medium thickness cotton socks are recommended. We like the Old Navy or > Gymboree socks with the rubber grips on the bottom. They are regularly 7 > for $10 at Old Navy. I suggest you get at least 7 if not more. They seem > to get lost in the laundry... and it's not fun trying to find that perfect > sock when you need it. Plus you can make sure you've got the right colors > on hand for accessorizing :~} In the winter after the initial first few > months of getting used to the DBB and worrying about slipping I use > tights. Not only for girls - I put my non-clubfoot boys in tights (white, > black or blue of course!) in the winter too - it helps keep their legs warm > when their pants hike up while being carried outside. But tights work very > well with the DBB in our experience. The thicker the better, make sure > they're stretchy so they fit the feet nice and tight. Do not use loosely > knitted socks. You know, the kind that make marks on the tops of your feet > where your shoes press? A tightly knitted sock is much more comfortable on > baby's skin > (learned that the hard way a while ago when she woke every 15 min > all night long) > > Remember - when you first get the DBB take it off every 2-3 hours to check > the feet for sores or red marks that don't go away. Leaving the brace on > for longer periods of time if baby seems happy is fine. If baby is showing > signs of distress take the shoes off and inspect the feet. Then use the > following instructions and re-install the brace. You should check the feet > often over the first couple of days or more if baby is showing signs of > distress. If you do not see signs that sores or blisters are forming > things are ok - keep the brace on. > > > > > Installation tips (how to put the DBB on a wiggly little baby without > causing pain or sores) > > 1- If you can - take the shoes off the bar. If you have a gold bar this is > simple. You may have to use a wrench or pliers to get it off the first > time as some brace shops really tighten them up. Don't loose the nut and > make sure it's tight when you put it back on the bar (or it could strip the > grooves and you will need a new bar and/or sole plate). It > is best to put the nut back on the shoe after you take it off the bar - as > it helps keep them around and getting kicked in the thighs without that nut > there really hurts! Mark on the plate where your shoes are to be set at > with a Sharpie marker. This makes it very easy to put them back in the > right spot - even in low light. If you have the red adjustable bar it is > harder to take the shoes off but not impossible. The way the Fillauer red > adjustable bar is designed it is much more difficult to see the degree > markings and keep the sole plate in the grooves with a foot in the shoe (0 > degrees is the shoe pointing straight forward on the bar - mark this point > on the bar with a permanent marker so it's easier to set them back if you > do take them off the bar). But if you can, try > it. I really feel it's a better way than trying to put the shoes on with > the bar. This way you know if it's the shoes alone or shoes *and* bar > that's causing baby to be upset. If you find you need to take the shoes > off the bar but your red bar makes you crazy you can get a gold > non-adjustable bar from Markell, have your brace shop order it for > you. Use the gold bar for the first few months (newborns will need a 6 " or > 8 " bar) and when you're comfortable with putting the brace on without > taking the shoes off you can go back to your adjustable bar. We used the > gold bars for about a year till another list member gave us an adjustable > bar (Thank You Angel!). We had stopped taking the shoes off the bar long > ago so it was easy to transition to a bar that wet can't take the shoes off > of easily. > > 2- Loosen the laces up all the way to the knots and pull the tongue up as > well. If you have short straps, buckle the strap into the last hole > loosely so as not to pull it out when the foot goes in. The longer straps > don't need to be buckled. > > 3- With the shoe off the bar insert the foot into the shoe and bend the > knee 90 degrees. Push on the top of the knee and hold the sole of the > shoe. Press the heel deeply into the back of the shoe and flex the toes > upward (dorsiflexion) as far as possible. Keep pushing on the knee and > flexing the foot and make SURE the heel is seated well into the bottom and > back of the shoe. > > 4- With the knee still bent and pressure applied press with your thumb or > other convenient finger on the strap where it goes through the tongue > keeper slit and hold the heel into the back of the shoe and tighten the > strap. Buckle it tightly. Dorsiflex the foot again and press again on the > knee and sole of the shoe to make sure the heel is in properly. Re- tighten > the strap very tight. If the heel is down you can't tighten it too > much. If there is any wiggle or looseness press the foot into the shoe > again push with your thumb on the strap and re-tighten the strap again. It > must be very tight - tighter than you would imagine it needs to be. So > keep going till it's really tight. > > 5- Pull the sock at the toes to make sure the seams aren't going to press > into baby's toes - it also helps make sure the heel is seated. It's ok if > they look all bloused out in front. This is good - gives baby room to > wiggle toes and who cares how it looks anyway! > > 6- Pull the tongue way down over the toes. As far as you can. I prefer it > to sit *under* the top of the boot at the ankle just a little bit. If it > sits high you may need to cut the tongue keeper slit a little more. (don't > cut it above the stitching) > > 7 - Tighten the laces nice and snug all the way up and tie them. The shoe > should get tighter with the laces being tightened. Some people find it > easier to tie the laces at the bottom rather than the top. If you've done > everything you can and the foot is still slipping you can try this. > > 8- Check to see if the foot can slip out of the boot at all. If it moves > it'll loosen up with time and slip. If it's not tight repeat the above > instructions with emphasis on the pressure on the knee and pushing the heel > into the bottom of the shoe with the foot flexed up (toes pointing toward > the baby's head) all at the same time. This isn't easy at first, but you > will get used to it and very good at it in short time. > > 9- Repeat the procedure with the other boot. > > 10- When both boots are on - take the nuts off and put the bar back on. If > your baby is bi-lateral it doesn't matter which side you do first. If baby > is unilateral it's easier to put the clubfoot side on first as the other > side set at 45 degrees is easier to put on the bar second. > > > Signs of trouble: > > Baby cries a very unnatural (for your baby) unhappy in pain cry all the > time, kicks legs violently like she's trying to kick the shoes off, wakes > at nigh every half hour or less (other than being hungry), purple/black > marks on the heels or other parts of the foot, blisters form or sores form. > > All these are typically caused by the shoes not being on properly. If > pressure sores or blisters appear - you MUST fix whatever is causing the > problem before you put the shoes back on. Sores will not heal in the shoes > once they appear (skin falls off and actual sore is resident - as opposed > to just a purple or black mark). It might mean a trip back to the Dr. for > a healing cast. Which is ok - it keeps the correction while the sore > heals. You MUST find out why the sore came - if it's slipping or pressure > or whatever - find it and fix it. When you go back to the DBB follow the > above directions and make SURE the heels are down 100% in the bottom of the > shoes. Blisters are caused by friction or rather slippage. Slippage is > often caused by the strap not being tight enough. It may seem tight > enough, but if slippage happens it very likely is not tight enough. If the > heel is rising up it seems tight but once you get the heel down you'll find > you can tighten it up another couple of holes. Dorsiflexing the foot while > you put the shoes on really helps prevent this. > > After having persistent sores some parents have resorted to actually > cutting a large hole in the heels of the shoes. This helps to relieve > pressure so that baby can continue to wear the DBB while a sore heals. It > is not a long term fix. The foot must be in the shoe properly for long > term wear. However, after cutting the hole many parents have found that > they were not getting the heel down all the way and were then able to see > to make sure the heel is down. I don't recommend this - it is a short term > bandaid to the larger problem of proper fitting of the shoes. However it > is a good option to going back to casts for healing and starting again with > the 23/7 schedule for wearing the FAB. The shoes will not fall apart and > are essentially disposable as they can only be worn for a few months till > baby needs a larger size. For more information about this you can contact > me personally - frogabog@q... and I can help you find a solution to > healing your child's sores. We have endured this and hope to not see any > other babies have to go through this pain and unhappiness. Remember - > there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you can find a way to keep > the FAB on so your baby can take advantage of the most effective brace to > complete the non-surgical treatment. > > Other reasons why baby may be uncomfortable are: > > Skin sensitivity right after casts are taken off. This is unfortunate, but > will get better with time. Don't rub the legs - this hurts more. A little > lotion is ok but keep it off the feet or give the lotion time to soak in > before putting the boots on as it can cause slipping. Use a good lotion - > non greasy. Eucerin works well and is alcohol free (and often came home > with you from the hospital in a sample size). > > Bar is too long or too short. The heels of the shoes (fixed on the bar in > the correct positions - 70 degrees for a clubfoot and 45 for non clubfoot) > should be shoulder width apart. Any less or much more is uncomfortable for > baby. It is not the length of the bar - it is the distance between the > heels. Take the brace and place it up to baby's shoulders to check > this. To small or too long of a bar also contributes to the feet pulling > out of the boots so make sure to check this as soon as you get your DBB/FAB > and don't let the brace shop or orthotist tell you it's right when it > isn't. The last thing you want is to have baby get sores/blisters because > they insisted baby needs a 10 " bar at 6 weeks old. > > Foot is at the wrong position. The clubfoot should be at 70 degrees or *AT > LEAST* as far turned out as the last cast. Parents - save your last > cast. Take that cast and put it up to a protractor with the knee pointed > to 0 degrees and see where the midline of the foot portion points to. Then > set your DBB. If it is much less than 60 degrees consider talking to your > doctor about another cast. The last cast in the Ponseti Method should be > at 70 degrees. If your cast is not there, and your doc doesn't see fit to > re-cast you can try to get there slowly over time. Set your brace to where > the cast is set at and slowly once a week increase it by 5 degrees. Do not > put the foot further out than the last cast as this causes considerable > discomfort for the baby. > > Baby is irritated by not being able to move legs independently. You can > show baby how to move his legs together. They might not like this at first > but will soon learn to lift their legs up with the brace on. This is minor > irritation for the baby. They get used to this fairly quickly. > > It is very important to not take baby out of the brace. Do everything you > can to make sure your baby stays in the brace. But listen to your child > and follow your heart. If you see signs of sores there is a problem you > need to tackle and rectify. Do NOT keep a brace on a child who has a > weeping sore. This is painful and you wouldn't put a tight shoe on your > own foot with a sore like that. If your child is telling you she's in pain > she likely is and you need to find out why. Do what you can to keep the > brace on - but don't make a bad situation worse by putting it on > incorrectly and causing sores. See your Dr. about healing casts or cut a > hole... but don't make sores worse. > > If your baby is irritable at first consider co-sleeping so everyone gets > some sleep the first few nights. You can side lie and nurse a baby wearing > the dbb, it's a little different than a baby who doesn't wear one but is > absolutely doable (we're still doing it over a year later - I wouldn't have > it any other way - so easy!). Even if you only do this for a few days > while baby is > getting used to the brace - it will help everyone in your family get sleep > the first few nights and will NOT spoil baby. Enjoy the extra rest and be > there right away at night to comfort your child while he gets used to the > brace. Put a pillow under baby's feet. It is easy enough > for baby to side lie in the DBB with a pillow under his feet or propping > the brace up. Older children who can roll over don't need it, in fact have > a hard time with pillows because they can't roll as easy but they seem to > do just fine without them. > > Good luck and don't forget to post to the list if you need help. We're > here for you and have lots of different takes on how to make the shoes and > bar work so there's lots of different ways to work through problems. > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > Post message: clubfoot > Subscribe: clubfoot-subscribe > Unsubscribe: clubfoot-unsubscribe > List owner: clubfoot-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubfoot > *********************************************************** > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Hi Kori, He adjusted really well to them....once we figured out that the bar was too short! He's fine with them now. He fusses a bit when I put them back on him just because he doesn't like his legs held and suddenly can't move his legs independently, but he stops after a minute or so and is fine the rest of the time. He gets his time out of them in the evening, so they go back on him right before he goes to bed for the night. I've heard that the bend in the reverse last shoes don't give that much more of an angle too, but he adjusted to them just fine. His heels stay down, too...finally!! LOL His feet have held the correction and flexibilty really well. I still can't help wonder if it was due more to low amniotic fluid rather than genetics and that's why he was corrected so quickly and holding so well. I know there's a debate about that, but it seems to me that the speed that they grow the last month or two could allow that to happen if their feet are wedged, can't be flexed straight, and the muscles and ligaments are still growing. Seems they would grow longer on the outside where the foot was stretched and not so much on the inside where it wasn't stretched as much. I thought I read somewhere that the reverse last shoes already have about an 8-degree bend in them, but I don't remember where I saw that. The doc just said that with the bend already in the shoe, setting it to a 70-degree angle would make them really uncomfortable. Maybe this is because the bar itself rotates the ankle and the reverse last shoes bend the foot. The combination may be uncomfortable for them and the 45-degree angle may be the best way to set them on the bar. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace > Hi , > > So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm > not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but > it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it > wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected > foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that > foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted > looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the > forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe > would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it > would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just > can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd > know better than I of course. > > Kori > > > > > At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at > >70 degrees. > > > > and > >BCF 03/25/2004 > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Hi Kori, He adjusted really well to them....once we figured out that the bar was too short! He's fine with them now. He fusses a bit when I put them back on him just because he doesn't like his legs held and suddenly can't move his legs independently, but he stops after a minute or so and is fine the rest of the time. He gets his time out of them in the evening, so they go back on him right before he goes to bed for the night. I've heard that the bend in the reverse last shoes don't give that much more of an angle too, but he adjusted to them just fine. His heels stay down, too...finally!! LOL His feet have held the correction and flexibilty really well. I still can't help wonder if it was due more to low amniotic fluid rather than genetics and that's why he was corrected so quickly and holding so well. I know there's a debate about that, but it seems to me that the speed that they grow the last month or two could allow that to happen if their feet are wedged, can't be flexed straight, and the muscles and ligaments are still growing. Seems they would grow longer on the outside where the foot was stretched and not so much on the inside where it wasn't stretched as much. I thought I read somewhere that the reverse last shoes already have about an 8-degree bend in them, but I don't remember where I saw that. The doc just said that with the bend already in the shoe, setting it to a 70-degree angle would make them really uncomfortable. Maybe this is because the bar itself rotates the ankle and the reverse last shoes bend the foot. The combination may be uncomfortable for them and the 45-degree angle may be the best way to set them on the bar. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace > Hi , > > So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm > not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but > it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it > wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected > foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that > foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted > looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the > forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe > would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it > would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just > can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd > know better than I of course. > > Kori > > > > > At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at > >70 degrees. > > > > and > >BCF 03/25/2004 > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Hi Kori, He adjusted really well to them....once we figured out that the bar was too short! He's fine with them now. He fusses a bit when I put them back on him just because he doesn't like his legs held and suddenly can't move his legs independently, but he stops after a minute or so and is fine the rest of the time. He gets his time out of them in the evening, so they go back on him right before he goes to bed for the night. I've heard that the bend in the reverse last shoes don't give that much more of an angle too, but he adjusted to them just fine. His heels stay down, too...finally!! LOL His feet have held the correction and flexibilty really well. I still can't help wonder if it was due more to low amniotic fluid rather than genetics and that's why he was corrected so quickly and holding so well. I know there's a debate about that, but it seems to me that the speed that they grow the last month or two could allow that to happen if their feet are wedged, can't be flexed straight, and the muscles and ligaments are still growing. Seems they would grow longer on the outside where the foot was stretched and not so much on the inside where it wasn't stretched as much. I thought I read somewhere that the reverse last shoes already have about an 8-degree bend in them, but I don't remember where I saw that. The doc just said that with the bend already in the shoe, setting it to a 70-degree angle would make them really uncomfortable. Maybe this is because the bar itself rotates the ankle and the reverse last shoes bend the foot. The combination may be uncomfortable for them and the 45-degree angle may be the best way to set them on the bar. and BCF 03/25/2004 DBB 23/7 Re: FAB/DBB tips and tricks - for Parents new to the brace > Hi , > > So you have straight last shoes now? Did he handle the change well? I'm > not disputing here... just theorizing because I am... well, me lol... but > it seems to me that even with a reverse last shoe set at 45 degrees it > wouldn't equal 70 degrees. My daughter is unilateral, so her non-affected > foot is set at 45 degrees. Even if I imagine a reverse last shoe on that > foot it would not be abducted to 70 degrees. 70 degrees is very abducted > looking. And, it rotates the foot at the ankle, rather than pushing the > forefoot to the side which is what I would imagine a reverse last shoe > would do. Forgive me if I'm wrong - I'm just trying to figure out how it > would equal 70 degrees. Perhaps something like 55 degrees, but I just > can't see it equaling 70. What do you think? You've lived it so you'd > know better than I of course. > > Kori > > > > > At 03:12 PM 8/2/2004, you wrote: > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was wearing > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has to > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can go > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's shoes > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because the > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be at > >70 degrees. > > > > and > >BCF 03/25/2004 > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , I am so glad is doing well! The 8 degree issue was from Jay Markell back on May 26th when I asked about reverse last shoes. Zoe has them too and they are set at 60 degrees for both feet, even though she is RCF, so I guess she is at about 68 degrees altogether. Here is what he wrote. Quote Dear Louisa et at, Historically, the reverse last boots have been used to maintain correction after casting. The open-toe reverse last boot that we make provides about 8 degrees of abduction or outflare in the forefoot. Dr Ponseti used this shoe as a means of maintaining correction on the Denis Browne Bar, years ago, prior to his evolving the treatment to today's standard. Back then I believe he was not correcting the feet out to 70 degrees external, or that after casting he was not holding the feet on the DBB at 70. In that situation the outflare of the shoe helped to turn the foot out beyond what the bar was doing. Now, today, since it was found that 70 degrees of external rotation on the clubfoot(feet) can be tolerated and is more effective in maintaining correction and preventing relapse, Dr. Ponseti and others no longer find the need to use the outflare open-toe boot. They switched to the straight last boot. Some Docs still use reverse last boots. It is not a bad thing. Some might say that it is overkill, or perhaps a " belt and suspenders " approach. I hope this clarifies things a little for you. Jay Markell Unquote I am going to ask for straight last when she grows out of these, but from reading above, it does not really seem to matter. Louisa 6-27-99 Zoe 2-22-04 RCF > > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was > wearing > > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has > to > > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can > go > > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's > shoes > > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because > the > > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be > at > > >70 degrees. > > > > > > and > > >BCF 03/25/2004 > > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , I am so glad is doing well! The 8 degree issue was from Jay Markell back on May 26th when I asked about reverse last shoes. Zoe has them too and they are set at 60 degrees for both feet, even though she is RCF, so I guess she is at about 68 degrees altogether. Here is what he wrote. Quote Dear Louisa et at, Historically, the reverse last boots have been used to maintain correction after casting. The open-toe reverse last boot that we make provides about 8 degrees of abduction or outflare in the forefoot. Dr Ponseti used this shoe as a means of maintaining correction on the Denis Browne Bar, years ago, prior to his evolving the treatment to today's standard. Back then I believe he was not correcting the feet out to 70 degrees external, or that after casting he was not holding the feet on the DBB at 70. In that situation the outflare of the shoe helped to turn the foot out beyond what the bar was doing. Now, today, since it was found that 70 degrees of external rotation on the clubfoot(feet) can be tolerated and is more effective in maintaining correction and preventing relapse, Dr. Ponseti and others no longer find the need to use the outflare open-toe boot. They switched to the straight last boot. Some Docs still use reverse last boots. It is not a bad thing. Some might say that it is overkill, or perhaps a " belt and suspenders " approach. I hope this clarifies things a little for you. Jay Markell Unquote I am going to ask for straight last when she grows out of these, but from reading above, it does not really seem to matter. Louisa 6-27-99 Zoe 2-22-04 RCF > > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was > wearing > > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has > to > > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can > go > > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's > shoes > > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because > the > > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be > at > > >70 degrees. > > > > > > and > > >BCF 03/25/2004 > > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , I am so glad is doing well! The 8 degree issue was from Jay Markell back on May 26th when I asked about reverse last shoes. Zoe has them too and they are set at 60 degrees for both feet, even though she is RCF, so I guess she is at about 68 degrees altogether. Here is what he wrote. Quote Dear Louisa et at, Historically, the reverse last boots have been used to maintain correction after casting. The open-toe reverse last boot that we make provides about 8 degrees of abduction or outflare in the forefoot. Dr Ponseti used this shoe as a means of maintaining correction on the Denis Browne Bar, years ago, prior to his evolving the treatment to today's standard. Back then I believe he was not correcting the feet out to 70 degrees external, or that after casting he was not holding the feet on the DBB at 70. In that situation the outflare of the shoe helped to turn the foot out beyond what the bar was doing. Now, today, since it was found that 70 degrees of external rotation on the clubfoot(feet) can be tolerated and is more effective in maintaining correction and preventing relapse, Dr. Ponseti and others no longer find the need to use the outflare open-toe boot. They switched to the straight last boot. Some Docs still use reverse last boots. It is not a bad thing. Some might say that it is overkill, or perhaps a " belt and suspenders " approach. I hope this clarifies things a little for you. Jay Markell Unquote I am going to ask for straight last when she grows out of these, but from reading above, it does not really seem to matter. Louisa 6-27-99 Zoe 2-22-04 RCF > > >My son has bilateral clubfoot and when he first went into the shoes, his > > >were set at 45 degrees as well. I did ask the doctor about that. The > > >reason my son's were set at 45 degrees at first was because he was > wearing > > >the reverse last shoe. These shoes have a bend in them and each shoe has > to > > >go on the correct foot. He is now in the straight last shoes, which can > go > > >on either foot, and the angle was changed to 70 degrees. Are 's > shoes > > >the reverse last ones? If so, then the 45 degree angle is fine because > the > > >bend in the shoes also adds to the angle, so you don't want those to be > at > > >70 degrees. > > > > > > and > > >BCF 03/25/2004 > > >DBB 23/7 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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