Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but since you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are able to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared too....but you have to step up to the plate and get the medical help you need. Everyone's situation is different...please make that appointment now. I have been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended periods of time and I am still alive and kicking quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene wrote:Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I had no idea three are so many people with this problem. Mine is only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just sleeping and it woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at all. So I went to the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - 150 bpm with a BP that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some meds and could not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 they sent me home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. They said since it has been over 48 hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw a blood clot. Somethign about the top part does not send the blood out and it gets stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from here. I take asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin the blood. BUt I have not been able to work since it started, getting out of bed to go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked 10 miles, it just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these messages I have in my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 and never having any problems before and no idea what brought this on, I am ummmm scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke etc. WOW!!!! Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but since you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are able to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared too....but you have to step up to the plate and get the medical help you need. Everyone's situation is different...please make that appointment now. I have been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended periods of time and I am still alive and kicking quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene wrote:Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I had no idea three are so many people with this problem. Mine is only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just sleeping and it woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at all. So I went to the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - 150 bpm with a BP that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some meds and could not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 they sent me home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. They said since it has been over 48 hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw a blood clot. Somethign about the top part does not send the blood out and it gets stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from here. I take asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin the blood. BUt I have not been able to work since it started, getting out of bed to go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked 10 miles, it just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these messages I have in my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 and never having any problems before and no idea what brought this on, I am ummmm scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke etc. WOW!!!! Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Chris Yeh, it is really scary, especially when you first get it. Blood clots can happen but they also quite often don't. Believe it or not you will come around to realising you're not going to drop down dead any minute. I have had the dreaded thing for 8 years and have gotten on OK up until recently. Don't know what brought mine on either. That is true for many people here. It sounds as if they have given you Beta blockers to slow the heart down. These may not be effective for 3 or 4 days. It is an accumulative effect. So maybe you should try taking them for a couple of days and you may feel better. You need to get specialist advice though. Have you been referred to a cardiologist? Sue wrote: Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I had no idea three are so many people with this problem. Mine is only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just sleeping and it woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at all. So I went to the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - 150 bpm with a BP that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some meds and could not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 they sent me home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. They said since it has been over 48 hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw a blood clot. Somethign about the top part does not send the blood out and it gets stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from here. I take asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin the blood. BUt I have not been able to work since it started, getting out of bed to go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked 10 miles, it just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these messages I have in my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 and never having any problems before and no idea what brought this on, I am ummmm scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke etc. WOW!!!! Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Chris Yeh, it is really scary, especially when you first get it. Blood clots can happen but they also quite often don't. Believe it or not you will come around to realising you're not going to drop down dead any minute. I have had the dreaded thing for 8 years and have gotten on OK up until recently. Don't know what brought mine on either. That is true for many people here. It sounds as if they have given you Beta blockers to slow the heart down. These may not be effective for 3 or 4 days. It is an accumulative effect. So maybe you should try taking them for a couple of days and you may feel better. You need to get specialist advice though. Have you been referred to a cardiologist? Sue wrote: Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I had no idea three are so many people with this problem. Mine is only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just sleeping and it woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at all. So I went to the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - 150 bpm with a BP that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some meds and could not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 they sent me home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. They said since it has been over 48 hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw a blood clot. Somethign about the top part does not send the blood out and it gets stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from here. I take asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin the blood. BUt I have not been able to work since it started, getting out of bed to go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked 10 miles, it just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these messages I have in my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 and never having any problems before and no idea what brought this on, I am ummmm scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke etc. WOW!!!! Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Chris Yeh, it is really scary, especially when you first get it. Blood clots can happen but they also quite often don't. Believe it or not you will come around to realising you're not going to drop down dead any minute. I have had the dreaded thing for 8 years and have gotten on OK up until recently. Don't know what brought mine on either. That is true for many people here. It sounds as if they have given you Beta blockers to slow the heart down. These may not be effective for 3 or 4 days. It is an accumulative effect. So maybe you should try taking them for a couple of days and you may feel better. You need to get specialist advice though. Have you been referred to a cardiologist? Sue wrote: Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I had no idea three are so many people with this problem. Mine is only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just sleeping and it woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at all. So I went to the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - 150 bpm with a BP that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some meds and could not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 they sent me home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. They said since it has been over 48 hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw a blood clot. Somethign about the top part does not send the blood out and it gets stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from here. I take asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin the blood. BUt I have not been able to work since it started, getting out of bed to go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked 10 miles, it just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these messages I have in my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 and never having any problems before and no idea what brought this on, I am ummmm scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke etc. WOW!!!! Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 wrote: They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. Well, the second one is your call. But I think that you're making a real and potentially serious mistake on the first one. Your doctor is right in the mainstream with anticoagulation. One of the things that almost all of us on this list have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a stroke last year. None of them were my patients. My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the risk of stroke in untreated afib. " The name of the game is risk management as well as condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) drug put you in danger of a potentially debillitating event. Bill Manson " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 wrote: They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. Well, the second one is your call. But I think that you're making a real and potentially serious mistake on the first one. Your doctor is right in the mainstream with anticoagulation. One of the things that almost all of us on this list have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a stroke last year. None of them were my patients. My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the risk of stroke in untreated afib. " The name of the game is risk management as well as condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) drug put you in danger of a potentially debillitating event. Bill Manson " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 wrote: They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood thinner I said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart back in sync just slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it back to normal, so I am not taking that either. Well, the second one is your call. But I think that you're making a real and potentially serious mistake on the first one. Your doctor is right in the mainstream with anticoagulation. One of the things that almost all of us on this list have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a stroke last year. None of them were my patients. My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the risk of stroke in untreated afib. " The name of the game is risk management as well as condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) drug put you in danger of a potentially debillitating event. Bill Manson " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Bill, I thank you for this information and I am really trying to understnad what you are saying. I read about the side effects on the Internet and THAT is what stopped me cold in my tracks from taking it. I have picked up the Coumadin 5MG and the bottle sits here next to my keyboard I have picked it up at least 50 times today, but the fear of what will happen stops me. I really do thank you for your time and wish I could just do it, but I can't at this time. Now I have no idea if each passing day I am asking for problems and hope I don't wait to long to just do it. Many thanks, Chris --- Bill Manson wrote: > wrote: > > They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood > thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. > > Well, the second one is your call. But I think that > you're making a real and potentially serious mistake > on the first one. Your doctor is right in the > mainstream with anticoagulation. > > One of the things that almost all of us on this list > have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of > blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty > compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the > x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in > Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a > stroke last year. None of them were my patients. > My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of > anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the > risk of stroke in untreated afib. " > > The name of the game is risk management as well as > condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven > (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) > drug put you in danger of a potentially > debillitating event. > > > Bill Manson > > " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I > don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which > is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Bill, I thank you for this information and I am really trying to understnad what you are saying. I read about the side effects on the Internet and THAT is what stopped me cold in my tracks from taking it. I have picked up the Coumadin 5MG and the bottle sits here next to my keyboard I have picked it up at least 50 times today, but the fear of what will happen stops me. I really do thank you for your time and wish I could just do it, but I can't at this time. Now I have no idea if each passing day I am asking for problems and hope I don't wait to long to just do it. Many thanks, Chris --- Bill Manson wrote: > wrote: > > They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood > thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. > > Well, the second one is your call. But I think that > you're making a real and potentially serious mistake > on the first one. Your doctor is right in the > mainstream with anticoagulation. > > One of the things that almost all of us on this list > have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of > blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty > compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the > x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in > Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a > stroke last year. None of them were my patients. > My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of > anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the > risk of stroke in untreated afib. " > > The name of the game is risk management as well as > condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven > (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) > drug put you in danger of a potentially > debillitating event. > > > Bill Manson > > " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I > don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which > is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Bill, I thank you for this information and I am really trying to understnad what you are saying. I read about the side effects on the Internet and THAT is what stopped me cold in my tracks from taking it. I have picked up the Coumadin 5MG and the bottle sits here next to my keyboard I have picked it up at least 50 times today, but the fear of what will happen stops me. I really do thank you for your time and wish I could just do it, but I can't at this time. Now I have no idea if each passing day I am asking for problems and hope I don't wait to long to just do it. Many thanks, Chris --- Bill Manson wrote: > wrote: > > They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the blood > thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. > > Well, the second one is your call. But I think that > you're making a real and potentially serious mistake > on the first one. Your doctor is right in the > mainstream with anticoagulation. > > One of the things that almost all of us on this list > have gone through is an initial fear/dislike of > blood thinners. My first cardiologist had a pretty > compelling argument. (He used real numbers, not the > x that I'm putting in.) " X hundred people in > Ontario had afib, threw a clot and ended up with a > stroke last year. None of them were my patients. > My patients are anticoagulated because the risk of > anticoagulation are less by a factor of 10 than the > risk of stroke in untreated afib. " > > The name of the game is risk management as well as > condition management. Don't let a fear of a proven > (and, once you're used to it, relatively trivial) > drug put you in danger of a potentially > debillitating event. > > > Bill Manson > > " I will have a lawyer with me just to make sure I > don't do anything that's potentially stupid, which > is a likely possibility. " -- Curt Schilling > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Dear Sue, Yes the set up a cardiologist right from the ER for me to see yesterday, but I did not go. I can't deal with it right now, I need a few days to figure things out. The beta blocker, did in fact drop the rate from 150 to 100-110 but even then it was still not a regular heartbeat. It was all over the place, but just a smaller number. That is what bugs me, they can bring it down but not get it back to regular. So for 8 years you have had that " beats like a rapid drum " all day and night for 8 years?? Were you on any type of meds? They want me on Coumadin and a beta blacker, but I still have not taken anything except 4 asprin a day since my ER visit. Thank you for they reply and I see I still have a LOT of email to read from the group....glad I found this group. --- sue andrews wrote: > Chris > Yeh, it is really scary, especially when you first > get it. Blood clots can happen but they also quite > often don't. > Believe it or not you will come around to realising > you're not going to drop down dead any minute. I > have had the dreaded thing for 8 years and have > gotten on OK up until recently. > Don't know what brought mine on either. That is true > for many people here. > It sounds as if they have given you Beta blockers to > slow the heart down. These may not be effective for > 3 or 4 days. It is an accumulative effect. So maybe > you should try taking them for a couple of days and > you may feel better. You need to get specialist > advice though. Have you been referred to a > cardiologist? > Sue > > wrote: > Well first off, I'd like to say hi to each and > everyone of you. I > had no idea three are so many people with this > problem. Mine is > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just > sleeping and it > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at > all. So I went to > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - > 150 bpm with a BP > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some > meds and could > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 > they sent me > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the > blood thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. They said since it > has been over 48 > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw > a blood clot. > Somethign about the top part does not send the blood > out and it gets > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from > here. I take > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin > the blood. BUt I > have not been able to work since it started, getting > out of bed to > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked > 10 miles, it > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > messages I have in > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 > and never having > any problems before and no idea what brought this > on, I am ummmm > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to > drive it via email, > send a blank email to > AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Hi Darlene, Thanks for your reply and I will seek help from a Dr. soon. Since you have been on the Coumadin have you had any side effects. Bleeding from eyes, nose, mouth, purple paths on the skin, gum problems, etc etc?? Please let me know and on last thing, do you have to go get bllod work every single week?? Thanks Chris --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your > concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but since > you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are able > to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier > than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared > too....but you have to step up to the plate and get > the medical help you need. Everyone's situation is > different...please make that appointment now. I have > been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended > periods of time and I am still alive and kicking > quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene > > wrote:Well first off, > I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I > had no idea three are so many people with this > problem. Mine is > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just > sleeping and it > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at > all. So I went to > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - > 150 bpm with a BP > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some > meds and could > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 > they sent me > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the > blood thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. They said since it > has been over 48 > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw > a blood clot. > Somethign about the top part does not send the blood > out and it gets > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from > here. I take > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin > the blood. BUt I > have not been able to work since it started, getting > out of bed to > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked > 10 miles, it > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > messages I have in > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 > and never having > any problems before and no idea what brought this > on, I am ummmm > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to > drive it via email, > send a blank email to > AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Hi - I am glad you wrote back. I hope soon means soon. Don't risk a stroke...then real problems would begin and you have a huge part in not letting that happen. I have never had bleeding from eyesk nose, mouth, purple paths on skin. The only gum problem I have is when I go to have my teeth clean...they are a little gentler and hey..that is a good thing. I am also a controlled diabetic and I have to check my blood once a day and I never have problems with sticking my self and bleeding. Yes, I do get my blood done once a week and it is a pain...I do it at lunch so I don't spend the afternoon there. Sometimes I do get a little bruise from the blood draw site, but I have always gotten them...I am fair skinned. Do try to get a electrophysiologist (a doc who specializes in heart arrythmias.) A general cardiologist is also ok if he has had experience with it. To find mine...I went to google search and put in the word electrophysiologist and the name of my city..I got a list of doctors who specialize in this. You can also get on the American Heart Association website and there are some links to follow. You can also call your local hosptial and ask to speak to their doctor referral office. Please try to relax through all of this...at least we are in a position to be able to get good medical care. Keep asking questions and keep learning about our condition. Darlene wrote: Hi Darlene, Thanks for your reply and I will seek help from a Dr. soon. Since you have been on the Coumadin have you had any side effects. Bleeding from eyes, nose, mouth, purple paths on the skin, gum problems, etc etc?? Please let me know and on last thing, do you have to go get bllod work every single week?? Thanks Chris --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your > concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but since > you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are able > to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier > than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared > too....but you have to step up to the plate and get > the medical help you need. Everyone's situation is > different...please make that appointment now. I have > been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended > periods of time and I am still alive and kicking > quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene > > wrote:Well first off, > I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I > had no idea three are so many people with this > problem. Mine is > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just > sleeping and it > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at > all. So I went to > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - > 150 bpm with a BP > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some > meds and could > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - 120 > they sent me > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the > blood thinner I > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > back in sync just > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting it > back to normal, > so I am not taking that either. They said since it > has been over 48 > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could throw > a blood clot. > Somethign about the top part does not send the blood > out and it gets > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from > here. I take > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin > the blood. BUt I > have not been able to work since it started, getting > out of bed to > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I walked > 10 miles, it > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > messages I have in > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being 51 > and never having > any problems before and no idea what brought this > on, I am ummmm > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to > drive it via email, > send a blank email to > AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Darlene, Thank you for your kind words and taking time out to answer my questions. After reading the emails and that letter someone posted, I want to start my first Coumadin since my release from the ER. But that one part in that letter " He watched his mother bleed to death internally after taking Coumadin following a stroke " The only place I have open to me that has the Doctors you spoke of is in Los Angeles, CA and for me that means a 8 hour drive, I don't like to drive these last few days in fear of " what if I have a stroke? " . But for me it has to be one step at a time, I have to say the vote as of right now is take the pill or risk a stroke, that seems to be the way I read all these emails thanks again, Chris --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > Hi - I am glad you wrote back. I hope soon > means soon. Don't risk a stroke...then real > problems would begin and you have a huge part in not > letting that happen. I have never had bleeding from > eyesk nose, mouth, purple paths on skin. The only > gum problem I have is when I go to have my teeth > clean...they are a little gentler and hey..that is a > good thing. I am also a controlled diabetic and I > have to check my blood once a day and I never have > problems with sticking my self and bleeding. Yes, I > do get my blood done once a week and it is a > pain...I do it at lunch so I don't spend the > afternoon there. Sometimes I do get a little bruise > from the blood draw site, but I have always gotten > them...I am fair skinned. Do try to get a > electrophysiologist (a doc who specializes in heart > arrythmias.) A general cardiologist is also ok if he > has had experience with it. To find mine...I went > to google search and put in the word > electrophysiologist and the name of my city..I got a > list > of doctors who specialize in this. You can also > get on the American Heart Association website and > there are some links to follow. You can also call > your local hosptial and ask to speak to their doctor > referral office. Please try to relax through all of > this...at least we are in a position to be able to > get good medical care. Keep asking questions and > keep learning about our condition. Darlene > wrote: Hi Darlene, > Thanks for your reply and I will seek help from a > Dr. > soon. Since you have been on the Coumadin have you > had any side effects. Bleeding from eyes, nose, > mouth, purple paths on the skin, gum problems, etc > etc?? Please let me know and on last thing, do you > have to go get bllod work every single week?? > Thanks Chris > --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > > > Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your > > concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but > since > > you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are > able > > to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier > > than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared > > too....but you have to step up to the plate and > get > > the medical help you need. Everyone's situation > is > > different...please make that appointment now. I > have > > been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended > > periods of time and I am still alive and kicking > > quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene > > > > wrote:Well first off, > > I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I > > had no idea three are so many people with this > > problem. Mine is > > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just > > sleeping and it > > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at > > all. So I went to > > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - > > 150 bpm with a BP > > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some > > meds and could > > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - > 120 > > they sent me > > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the > > blood thinner I > > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > > back in sync just > > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting > it > > back to normal, > > so I am not taking that either. They said since > it > > has been over 48 > > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could > throw > > a blood clot. > > Somethign about the top part does not send the > blood > > out and it gets > > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from > > here. I take > > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin > > the blood. BUt I > > have not been able to work since it started, > getting > > out of bed to > > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I > walked > > 10 miles, it > > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > > messages I have in > > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being > 51 > > and never having > > any problems before and no idea what brought this > > on, I am ummmm > > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke > > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > > For help on how to use the group, including how to > > drive it via email, > > send a blank email to > > AFIBsupport-help > > > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > > consultation with one's physician. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 In a message dated 9/7/2005 5:13:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, pctech777@... writes: They want me on Coumadin and a beta blacker, but I still have not taken anything except 4 asprin a day since my ER visit I am writing to reassure you. You sound a lot like me. I am not thrilled with pills either. But when my cardiologist gave me the straight up skivvy (eegad I sound like 23-skidoo here) ... I went straight home and popped a 5 mg. warfarin (coumadin) and took a 250 mcg digoxin every half hour, 3 in a row. IT HELPED! I have been taking beta blockers for years. I could not get along without them and thank God for them every day. Beta blockers are great medicines and they will CALM YOUR HEARTBEAT DOWN. Warfarin is nothing. I have no side effects whatsoever. I realize it has its down sides but its UPSIDE is ... you are far less likely to have a stroke. Please...follow your doctor's orders. You MUST HAVE TRUST and FAITH IN YOUR DOCTORS. It is difficult sometimes but please try. If you are afraid to take the pills, then have a friend over or have family home with you to spend time with you when you first take them. I know it sounds funny but some of us are pill phobics. Knowing a friend is there can help. Before you know it you will be feeling better and I doubt very much that you will have side effects to any of this. Good luck Lil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 - try to turn that frown at the close of your letter to : ). I know it is tough right now..and the night is always worse than the daytime. But you will be ok....Darlene I am glad you are starting on the Coumadin. Keep us posted and if you want to email me directly ...feel free. wrote:Darlene, Thank you for your kind words and taking time out to answer my questions. After reading the emails and that letter someone posted, I want to start my first Coumadin since my release from the ER. But that one part in that letter " He watched his mother bleed to death internally after taking Coumadin following a stroke " The only place I have open to me that has the Doctors you spoke of is in Los Angeles, CA and for me that means a 8 hour drive, I don't like to drive these last few days in fear of " what if I have a stroke? " . But for me it has to be one step at a time, I have to say the vote as of right now is take the pill or risk a stroke, that seems to be the way I read all these emails thanks again, Chris --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > Hi - I am glad you wrote back. I hope soon > means soon. Don't risk a stroke...then real > problems would begin and you have a huge part in not > letting that happen. I have never had bleeding from > eyesk nose, mouth, purple paths on skin. The only > gum problem I have is when I go to have my teeth > clean...they are a little gentler and hey..that is a > good thing. I am also a controlled diabetic and I > have to check my blood once a day and I never have > problems with sticking my self and bleeding. Yes, I > do get my blood done once a week and it is a > pain...I do it at lunch so I don't spend the > afternoon there. Sometimes I do get a little bruise > from the blood draw site, but I have always gotten > them...I am fair skinned. Do try to get a > electrophysiologist (a doc who specializes in heart > arrythmias.) A general cardiologist is also ok if he > has had experience with it. To find mine...I went > to google search and put in the word > electrophysiologist and the name of my city..I got a > list > of doctors who specialize in this. You can also > get on the American Heart Association website and > there are some links to follow. You can also call > your local hosptial and ask to speak to their doctor > referral office. Please try to relax through all of > this...at least we are in a position to be able to > get good medical care. Keep asking questions and > keep learning about our condition. Darlene > wrote: Hi Darlene, > Thanks for your reply and I will seek help from a > Dr. > soon. Since you have been on the Coumadin have you > had any side effects. Bleeding from eyes, nose, > mouth, purple paths on the skin, gum problems, etc > etc?? Please let me know and on last thing, do you > have to go get bllod work every single week?? > Thanks Chris > --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > > > Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take your > > concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but > since > > you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are > able > > to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm easier > > than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared > > too....but you have to step up to the plate and > get > > the medical help you need. Everyone's situation > is > > different...please make that appointment now. I > have > > been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended > > periods of time and I am still alive and kicking > > quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene > > > > wrote:Well first off, > > I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. I > > had no idea three are so many people with this > > problem. Mine is > > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was just > > sleeping and it > > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it at > > all. So I went to > > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 - > > 150 bpm with a BP > > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me some > > meds and could > > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - > 120 > > they sent me > > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about the > > blood thinner I > > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my heart > > back in sync just > > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not getting > it > > back to normal, > > so I am not taking that either. They said since > it > > has been over 48 > > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could > throw > > a blood clot. > > Somethign about the top part does not send the > blood > > out and it gets > > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do from > > here. I take > > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to thin > > the blood. BUt I > > have not been able to work since it started, > getting > > out of bed to > > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I > walked > > 10 miles, it > > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > > messages I have in > > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being > 51 > > and never having > > any problems before and no idea what brought this > > on, I am ummmm > > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, stroke > > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > > For help on how to use the group, including how to > > drive it via email, > > send a blank email to > > AFIBsupport-help > > > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > > consultation with one's physician. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 In a message dated 9/7/2005 4:35:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, pctech777@... writes: The beta blocker does not fix it, it just makes it " spark less " it is still out of sync so I'll get it down to maybe 100 mis-fired BPM and not the 140-150 BPM (is that part true?) I hate pills, they take control of your body then yo get hooked/use to them, but this stroke thing seems to be the #1 concern here, followed by what we can no longer eat/drink. Thanks very very much for your time about this. I will really think it over and have a pill popping party tonight. (need some humor in there) Has your doctor mentioned DIGOXIN? it really, REALLY helped my heart settle down. Lil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Lil: I got the best chuckle all day when I read your posting, because I'm not sure if you made a 'typo' mistake or are unfamiliar with some of the slang words you used. I think you meant 'skinny' instead of 'skivvy'. The real skinny, the whole skinny or the straight skinny is slang for all the correct and unadulterated facts or truth. Skivvy or skivvies (meant to be singular) is slang (US) for men's underwear. Anyway, thanks for the laugh. S. But when my cardiologist gave me the straight up skivvy (eegad I sound like 23-skidoo here) ... I went straight home and popped a 5 mg.warfarin (coumadin) and took a 250 mcg digoxin every half hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 HI, Well just as soon as I get ready to take a Coumadin I read about someone watching their Mom bleed to death during a stroke adn I sit the bottle back down for a (maybe later) time. Anyone that reads this, does it EVER stop beating this fast, I mean 4 or 5 days non stop how much can a little heart take?? --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > - try to turn that frown at the close of your > letter to : ). I know it is tough right now..and > the night is always worse than the daytime. But you > will be ok....Darlene I am glad you are starting on > the Coumadin. Keep us posted and if you want to > email me directly ...feel free. > > wrote:Darlene, > Thank you for your kind words and taking time out to > answer my questions. After reading the emails and > that > letter someone posted, I want to start my first > Coumadin since my release from the ER. But that one > part in that letter " He watched his mother bleed to > death internally after taking Coumadin following a > stroke " The only place I have open to me that has > the > Doctors you spoke of is in Los Angeles, CA and for > me > that means a 8 hour drive, I don't like to drive > these > last few days in fear of " what if I have a stroke? " . > But for me it has to be one step at a time, I have > to > say the vote as of right now is take the pill or > risk > a stroke, that seems to be the way I read all these > emails thanks again, Chris > > > --- Darlene El Tohamy wrote: > > > Hi - I am glad you wrote back. I hope soon > > means soon. Don't risk a stroke...then real > > problems would begin and you have a huge part in > not > > letting that happen. I have never had bleeding > from > > eyesk nose, mouth, purple paths on skin. The only > > gum problem I have is when I go to have my teeth > > clean...they are a little gentler and hey..that is > a > > good thing. I am also a controlled diabetic and I > > have to check my blood once a day and I never have > > problems with sticking my self and bleeding. Yes, > I > > do get my blood done once a week and it is a > > pain...I do it at lunch so I don't spend the > > afternoon there. Sometimes I do get a little > bruise > > from the blood draw site, but I have always gotten > > them...I am fair skinned. Do try to get a > > electrophysiologist (a doc who specializes in > heart > > arrythmias.) A general cardiologist is also ok if > he > > has had experience with it. To find mine...I went > > to google search and put in the word > > electrophysiologist and the name of my city..I got > a > > list > > of doctors who specialize in this. You can also > > get on the American Heart Association website and > > there are some links to follow. You can also call > > your local hosptial and ask to speak to their > doctor > > referral office. Please try to relax through all > of > > this...at least we are in a position to be able to > > get good medical care. Keep asking questions and > > keep learning about our condition. Darlene > > wrote: Hi Darlene, > > Thanks for your reply and I will seek help from a > > Dr. > > soon. Since you have been on the Coumadin have > you > > had any side effects. Bleeding from eyes, nose, > > mouth, purple paths on the skin, gum problems, etc > > etc?? Please let me know and on last thing, do > you > > have to go get bllod work every single week?? > > Thanks Chris > > --- Darlene El Tohamy > wrote: > > > > > Hi - Please find a good cardiologist and take > your > > > concerns to him/her. This forum is great, but > > since > > > you are newly into it.. a lot of times they are > > able > > > to put you back into sinus (regular) rhythm > easier > > > than if it has been in fib awhile. I was scared > > > too....but you have to step up to the plate and > > get > > > the medical help you need. Everyone's situation > > is > > > different...please make that appointment now. I > > have > > > been on blood thinner (Coumadin) for extended > > > periods of time and I am still alive and kicking > > > quite well (thank you.) Take care.... Darlene > > > > > > wrote:Well first > off, > > > I'd like to say hi to each and everyone of you. > I > > > had no idea three are so many people with this > > > problem. Mine is > > > only in day 4, it was a sudden onset. I was > just > > > sleeping and it > > > woke me up the rapid beating, no pattern to it > at > > > all. So I went to > > > the ER and was shocked that a pulse could be 120 > - > > > 150 bpm with a BP > > > that scared me. They hooked up an IV, gave me > some > > > meds and could > > > not get it below 110, but aftre 6 hours of 110 - > > 120 > > > they sent me > > > home. They wrote 2 RX and after reading about > the > > > blood thinner I > > > said NO!!!! The other one would not put my > heart > > > back in sync just > > > slow the mis-firing down. Well thats not > getting > > it > > > back to normal, > > > so I am not taking that either. They said since > > it > > > has been over 48 > > > hours IF my heart went back to noraml it could > > throw > > > a blood clot. > > > Somethign about the top part does not send the > > blood > > > out and it gets > > > stuck up there and I have no idea what to do > from > > > here. I take > > > asprin (4 of them) because I read it helps to > thin > > > the blood. BUt I > > > have not been able to work since it started, > > getting > > > out of bed to > > > go downstairs or out to the garage is like I > > walked > > > 10 miles, it > > > just drains me. So I want to go read ALL these > > > messages I have in > > > my inbox today, maybe I'll find an answer. Being > > 51 > > > and never having > > > any problems before and no idea what brought > this > > > on, I am ummmm > > > scared???? Alll this talk of blood clots, > stroke > > > etc. WOW!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > > > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > > > For help on how to use the group, including how > to > > > drive it via email, > > > send a blank email to > > > AFIBsupport-help > > > > > > Nothing in this message should be considered as > > > medical advice, or should be acted upon without > > > consultation with one's physician. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Hi, Thanks for the reply and the part about having some friends over. I must say the part about giving me the skivvy, did make me laugh for the first time in 5 days. I had a feeling the Doctor was trying to get into my wallet, but after seeing three bills I think he wants my skivvys too. The beta blocker does not fix it, it just makes it " spark less " it is still out of sync so I'll get it down to maybe 100 mis-fired BPM and not the 140-150 BPM (is that part true?) I hate pills, they take control of your body then yo get hooked/use to them, but this stroke thing seems to be the #1 concern here, followed by what we can no longer eat/drink. Thanks very very much for your time about this. I will really think it over and have a pill popping party tonight. (need some humor in there) --- cnetwork@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2005 5:13:48 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > pctech777@... writes: > > They want me on Coumadin and a beta blacker, but I > still have not taken anything except 4 asprin a day > since my ER visit > > > I am writing to reassure you. You sound a lot like > me. I am not thrilled > with pills either. But when my cardiologist gave me > the straight up skivvy > (eegad I sound like 23-skidoo here) ... I went > straight home and popped a 5 mg. > warfarin (coumadin) and took a 250 mcg digoxin every > half hour, 3 in a row. IT > HELPED! > I have been taking beta blockers for years. I could > not get along without > them and thank God for them every day. Beta blockers > are great medicines and > they will CALM YOUR HEARTBEAT DOWN. Warfarin is > nothing. I have no side effects > whatsoever. I realize it has its down sides but its > UPSIDE is ... you are far > less likely to have a stroke. > Please...follow your doctor's orders. You MUST HAVE > TRUST and FAITH IN YOUR > DOCTORS. It is difficult sometimes but please try. > If you are afraid to take the pills, then have a > friend over or have family > home with you to spend time with you when you first > take them. I know it > sounds funny but some of us are pill phobics. > Knowing a friend is there can help. > Before you know it you will be feeling better and I > doubt very much that you > will have side effects to any of this. > Good luck > Lil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Funny you wrote that, I just got my " Generic for Lanoxin, Digitex 250 MCG Tablets " So Lanoxin looks a lot like DIGOXIN or the same family if I am to guess. This Digitex says it works directly on the heart muscle to strengthen and regulate the heartbeat. Well I am all for that. I look forward to a break of this 24/7 out of control beat. After talking with my friends the vote turned out to be 5 said no to Coumadin and 2 voted yes. The fact I have to go to a Doctor every single week can not happen due to my line of work. Just no time for it. --- cnetwork@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/7/2005 4:35:51 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > pctech777@... writes: > > The beta blocker does not fix > it, it just makes it " spark less " it is still out > of > sync so I'll get it down to maybe 100 mis-fired BPM > and not the 140-150 BPM (is that part true?) I hate > pills, they take control of your body then yo get > hooked/use to them, but this stroke thing seems to > be > the #1 concern here, followed by what we can no > longer eat/drink. Thanks very very much for your > time > about this. I will really think it over and have a > pill popping party tonight. (need some humor in > there) > > > > Has your doctor mentioned DIGOXIN? it really, REALLY > helped my heart settle > down. > Lil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 In a message dated 9/7/05 4:25:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pctech777@... writes: > Anyone that reads this, does it > EVER stop beating this fast, I mean 4 or 5 days non > stop how much can a little heart take?? > I'm in day 12 ... so apparently it can take a lot. Unfortunately. Toni CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 In a message dated 9/7/05 4:25:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pctech777@... writes: > Anyone that reads this, does it > EVER stop beating this fast, I mean 4 or 5 days non > stop how much can a little heart take?? > I'm in day 12 ... so apparently it can take a lot. Unfortunately. Toni CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 In a message dated 9/7/05 4:25:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pctech777@... writes: > Anyone that reads this, does it > EVER stop beating this fast, I mean 4 or 5 days non > stop how much can a little heart take?? > I'm in day 12 ... so apparently it can take a lot. Unfortunately. Toni CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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