Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 You shouldn't eat if you are not hungry...but that is a great opportunity to eat higher point items that are good for us such as a glass of milk & some almonds (5-8 points). Blessings, Regina Bassett Eat all Points? Hi all -- Just a quick question. The other day, I was hungry during the day but too busy to eat at work. (Normally I snack, but that whole week was crazed and this happened several times that week.) In the evening, I had a nice filling dinner, and therefore was no longer hungry, but found myself well under target points. I didn't want to encourage myself to eat when I wasn't hungry -- eek! bad habit alert! -- so I didn't eat anything just to reach my target points, but should I have? Any experts out there who can recommend what I should have done, or what I should do in the future? Thanks -- JB 230/214.5/158 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Hi, I am by no means an expert, but I always try to stay under my points and feel I am overeating when I use them all. I loose better when I don't use them all. And I don't use the 35 extra weekly points. There has been once or twice I have digged into them, but I always feel guilty when I do and hate to. Thus far I have been loosing each week so I am keeping with my system. bye cindy jbrown14464 wrote: Hi all -- Just a quick question. The other day, I was hungry during the day but too busy to eat at work. (Normally I snack, but that whole week was crazed and this happened several times that week.) In the evening, I had a nice filling dinner, and therefore was no longer hungry, but found myself well under target points. I didn't want to encourage myself to eat when I wasn't hungry -- eek! bad habit alert! -- so I didn't eat anything just to reach my target points, but should I have? Any experts out there who can recommend what I should have done, or what I should do in the future? Thanks -- JB 230/214.5/158 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 JB, I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is indeed a great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally allow yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except on rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an abrupt halt!! Bette 278/168/175 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to. I'm only about 6 weeks into this. C in MN On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer " writes: JB, I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is indeed a great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally allow yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except on rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an abrupt halt!! Bette 278/168/175 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thanks, Tory and Bette. This was exactly the response I was looking for -- something food-sciencey from the experts. I have a mild disorder that sets my metabolism low as it is -- I do NOT want to " turn down the furnace " any further in the vain hope of speeding up weight loss! Nope nope. It's eat target points and exercise for me. Tx -- JB 230/214.5/157 > > >Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who > >usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target > >points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I > >don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to. > >I'm only about 6 weeks into this. > > > > C in MN > > > >On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer " > ><bette@e...> writes: > >JB, > >I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is > >indeed a > >great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally > >allow > >yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day > >significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except > >on > >rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an > >abrupt halt!! > >Bette > >278/168/175 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I am one who can eat every last point available (flex, target and AP) and still lose. I've gone over by 14 points and still lost. Nothing that I recommend, but I had miscalculated something and forgot about something. The flex points are there for you to use at your discression. There's no requirement to use them. Whatever you find to be your magic formula, stick with that. I know many people who have done that and " forgotten " about the additional points. Just keep in mind, that when you add up the targets and flex for the week. It's the same amount of points we had under the 1-2-3 plan. We were only able to earn and eat an additional 2 food points back then (it was a point per 20 minutes of exercise, then when the revamped, they came out with the exercise booster). I lost 75 pounds over 9 months and another gal lost over 150 pounds (and she had a Mcs Ice Cream cone every day) under that program. When Winning points, they took away 2 points and had you earn them back by exercising. Many people didn't take the bait and they had problems loosing. Of course, not everyone had that problem. There were folks in my meeting that didn't do a lick of exercise and were still losing. But based on all I've read and seen, they were also losing muscle. That's the nice thing about having the Core, is that you can do what you want. I know when Flex came out, folks were still doing WP and feeling like they had to " hide " that fact. Even though the difference between the two is 14 points, many folks didn't like the freedom of having those 35 FPs out there. And with no carrying over or ranges, they had to do what worked for them. On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:04:40 -0600, maryshann@... wrote: > Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who > usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target > points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I > don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to. > I'm only about 6 weeks into this. > > C in MN -- Be a F.R.O.G . °Ü° GLYSDI, *♥´¨) ¸.•♥ ´¸.•*♥´¨) ¸.♥•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸ ;.♥•Gymmie in Texas♥ Compliments of Tae Bo 2 Hours A Day 5 Days A Week Current Challenges: *210/2WT *Tummy Challenge *Water Challenge *Terminator Woman Arm Challenge *EDID *Wednesday Guts -n- Butts Challenge *Preparation for NYNY 2K5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Hi, well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that WW lowers your points each 25 pounds? If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained becasue I was eating plenty before WW. I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking you are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat ALL your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is just plain junk science. There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I have missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it. bye cindy jbrown14464 wrote: Thanks, Tory and Bette. This was exactly the response I was looking for -- something food-sciencey from the experts. I have a mild disorder that sets my metabolism low as it is -- I do NOT want to " turn down the furnace " any further in the vain hope of speeding up weight loss! Nope nope. It's eat target points and exercise for me. Tx -- JB 230/214.5/157 > > >Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who > >usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target > >points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I > >don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to. > >I'm only about 6 weeks into this. > > > > C in MN > > > >On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer " > ><bette@e...> writes: > >JB, > >I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is > >indeed a > >great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally > >allow > >yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day > >significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except > >on > >rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an > >abrupt halt!! > >Bette > >278/168/175 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 how did everyone get started on the points program? Do you make menus and then you know you are only eating so many points or what? I am new at this and need all the help i can get....thanks, kerri RE: Eat all Points? JB, I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is indeed a great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally allow yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except on rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an abrupt halt!! Bette 278/168/175 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Porter wrote: > > Hi, > > well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that WW lowers your points each 25 pounds? > > If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained becasue I was eating plenty before WW. > > I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking you are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat ALL your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is just plain junk science. Excuse me? YOu know there are ways to disagree with people and calling what they suggest " junk science " is just plain rude. I guess I was just going on what I learned in my nutrition classes when I was a Health major. I'm currenlty a high school health (and IT) teacher. I've been doing a lot of research lately into weight loss since: a) I've lost over 100 pounds and maintained that loss for 2 years as of tomorrow I want to maintain that loss for another 50 years (since I plan to live 99 so I can torture my husband) c) I want to make sure the information that I give to my students is accurate > There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I have missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it. Well, since Weight Watchers literature is only just that, Weight Watchers Literature, and not a science book it's probably not something they go into. We know that most people don't take time to read things clearly (or no one would smoke, everyone would be at their ideal weight, and we'd never have OTC drug overdoses) so WWers keeps it simple. The body's reaction to calorie deprivation works like this. 1. It make note that there are less calories coming in. It gets a little concerned. If there are substantially less calories coming in, it starts to freak out a little. 2. If the reduction is not drastic, it should respond by using stores of energy. It will metabolize lean muscle tissue and fat in order to keep the body fueled. 3. If the reduction is too drastic it will start to turn down the furnace (metabolism). Here's an analogy I use with my students. Imagine you were living in a cabin in the mountains. The first snowfall has come in before your second cord of wood was delivered. What would you do? You'd probably turn down the thermostat (assuming wood heat, no electric heat) and keep the house warm enough to get the business done, but not as warm as you'd like it because you wouldn't know when the next time you'd be able to get out and get more wood. Why use muscle and other lean tissues? Because fat is a GREAT source of energy, but when the body is thinking it's starving it's going to go for slower burning sources too. In the same way you might have a generator at the cabin, but you'd rather save the gasoline in the geny for a real emergency. Your body doesn't know you're on a diet. All it knows is you used to be eating 4000 calories a day and now you're eating 2000. Or perhaps you've gone from 3000 to 1500. That's a 50% drop in calories! Your body doesn't know that your high school reunion is coming up or that you want to fit into that new dress. It only know that you're not getting the nutrition and energy you used to get and it responds. As your body, in this freaked out mode, starts to metabolize your lean muscle tissue your metabolism goes down because muscle burns calories faster than fat. With a lower percentage of muscle to body weight, the metabolism is going to naturally go down. According to the UMM website (not junk science), severely reducing calories can result in: Fatigue Intolerance to cold Hair loss Gallstones Mentrual irregularities Because your body will metabolize some of your muscle it is important to make exercise a part of your weight loss program. Not only will it counteract the lowering of the metabolism, but it will also help to strengthen your muscles and rebuild. Muscle also burns more calories at rest than fat does, which is a metabolistic response. So why doesn't your metabolism increase as you increase your calories? Because the body can't continue to rev up the engine. There comes a point of diminishing returns. If you go on a VLCD (very low calorie diet) and then have a day of binging because you have been starving yourself, your body will rev up a little. Then it will lower back down. If you eat more calories than you burn your body first converts it to glucose, then to glycogen and stores that in the muscles. When the muscles have reached their threshold the excess gets converted to fat and some is released as waste. Since overeating calories does NOT build muscle tissue, the metabolism isn't going to rise. Does that answer your " junk science " claim? Quite frankly I'm really offended that you made such an inappropriate comment. Remember that there are a lot of people on this group with a lot of opinions. You are welcome to disagree with people, but please do so in a polite manner. Calling someone's information " junk science " without having a very strong understanding of the science yourself is inappropriate at best. By the way...we loose the hounds on people, we lose weight. You had an extra O in lose. Oh, and WWers lowers points by 25 for a few reasons: 1. Studies show that people do not stay on eating programs where they feel deprived. By lowing food intake slowly, people are more likely to stick to the program. 2. As you get lighter your basal metabolic rate goes down, especially if you're not building muscle. Think about it. If you walk a mile you burn about 100 calories. But if you walk a mile carrying 50 pounds of weight on your shoulders, you're going to burn more just with the effort of extra weight. So I would suggest...cause I've actually read the research on it, teach it, have a degree in it...that it's dangerous to eat below your points with regularity if your goal is to maintain a reasonable rate of loss. If you want to reset your metabolism to a lower rate so that you can survive on a much lower caloric intake each day, by all means don't eat all your points. As long as you don't get dangerously low, your body will respond by simply becoming more efficient with calories so that you'll need to continue to eat at a very low caloric rate to maintain your weight loss. Personally I'd rather rev up my metabolism so I can enjoy a variety of healthy, delicious foods that keep me satisfied. 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Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 That should be " Weight Watchers lowers points every 25 pound loss because... " On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:38:54 -0800, Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ wrote: > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Porter > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that WW lowers your points each 25 pounds? > > > > If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained becasue I was eating plenty before WW. > > > > I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking you are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat ALL your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is just plain junk science. > > Excuse me? YOu know there are ways to disagree with people and calling > what they suggest " junk science " is just plain rude. > > I guess I was just going on what I learned in my nutrition classes > when I was a Health major. I'm currenlty a high school health (and IT) > teacher. I've been doing a lot of research lately into weight loss > since: > > a) I've lost over 100 pounds and maintained that loss for 2 years as of tomorrow > > I want to maintain that loss for another 50 years (since I plan to > live 99 so I can torture my husband) > > c) I want to make sure the information that I give to my students is accurate > > > There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I have missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it. > > Well, since Weight Watchers literature is only just that, Weight > Watchers Literature, and not a science book it's probably not > something they go into. We know that most people don't take time to > read things clearly (or no one would smoke, everyone would be at their > ideal weight, and we'd never have OTC drug overdoses) so WWers keeps > it simple. > > The body's reaction to calorie deprivation works like this. > > 1. It make note that there are less calories coming in. It gets a > little concerned. If there are substantially less calories coming in, > it starts to freak out a little. > > 2. If the reduction is not drastic, it should respond by using stores > of energy. It will metabolize lean muscle tissue and fat in order to > keep the body fueled. > > 3. If the reduction is too drastic it will start to turn down the > furnace (metabolism). > > Here's an analogy I use with my students. Imagine you were living in a > cabin in the mountains. The first snowfall has come in before your > second cord of wood was delivered. What would you do? > > You'd probably turn down the thermostat (assuming wood heat, no > electric heat) and keep the house warm enough to get the business > done, but not as warm as you'd like it because you wouldn't know when > the next time you'd be able to get out and get more wood. > > Why use muscle and other lean tissues? Because fat is a GREAT source > of energy, but when the body is thinking it's starving it's going to > go for slower burning sources too. In the same way you might have a > generator at the cabin, but you'd rather save the gasoline in the geny > for a real emergency. > > Your body doesn't know you're on a diet. All it knows is you used to > be eating 4000 calories a day and now you're eating 2000. Or perhaps > you've gone from 3000 to 1500. That's a 50% drop in calories! Your > body doesn't know that your high school reunion is coming up or that > you want to fit into that new dress. It only know that you're not > getting the nutrition and energy you used to get and it responds. > > As your body, in this freaked out mode, starts to metabolize your lean > muscle tissue your metabolism goes down because muscle burns calories > faster than fat. With a lower percentage of muscle to body weight, the > metabolism is going to naturally go down. > > According to the UMM website (not junk science), severely reducing > calories can result in: > Fatigue > Intolerance to cold > Hair loss > Gallstones > Mentrual irregularities > > Because your body will metabolize some of your muscle it is important > to make exercise a part of your weight loss program. Not only will it > counteract the lowering of the metabolism, but it will also help to > strengthen your muscles and rebuild. Muscle also burns more calories > at rest than fat does, which is a metabolistic response. > > So why doesn't your metabolism increase as you increase your calories? > Because the body can't continue to rev up the engine. There comes a > point of diminishing returns. If you go on a VLCD (very low calorie > diet) and then have a day of binging because you have been starving > yourself, your body will rev up a little. Then it will lower back > down. If you eat more calories than you burn your body first converts > it to glucose, then to glycogen and stores that in the muscles. When > the muscles have reached their threshold the excess gets converted to > fat and some is released as waste. Since overeating calories does NOT > build muscle tissue, the metabolism isn't going to rise. > > Does that answer your " junk science " claim? Quite frankly I'm really > offended that you made such an inappropriate comment. Remember that > there are a lot of people on this group with a lot of opinions. You > are welcome to disagree with people, but please do so in a polite > manner. Calling someone's information " junk science " without having a > very strong understanding of the science yourself is inappropriate at > best. > > By the way...we loose the hounds on people, we lose weight. You had an > extra O in lose. > > Oh, and WWers lowers points by 25 for a few reasons: > > 1. Studies show that people do not stay on eating programs where they > feel deprived. By lowing food intake slowly, people are more likely to > stick to the program. > > 2. As you get lighter your basal metabolic rate goes down, especially > if you're not building muscle. Think about it. If you walk a mile you > burn about 100 calories. But if you walk a mile carrying 50 pounds of > weight on your shoulders, you're going to burn more just with the > effort of extra weight. > > So I would suggest...cause I've actually read the research on it, > teach it, have a degree in it...that it's dangerous to eat below your > points with regularity if your goal is to maintain a reasonable rate > of loss. If you want to reset your metabolism to a lower rate so that > you can survive on a much lower caloric intake each day, by all means > don't eat all your points. As long as you don't get dangerously low, > your body will respond by simply becoming more efficient with calories > so that you'll need to continue to eat at a very low caloric rate to > maintain your weight loss. Personally I'd rather rev up my metabolism > so I can enjoy a variety of healthy, delicious foods that keep me > satisfied. > > Junk science...well I never.... > -- Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ IT and Health Educator The successful person will do the things that the unsuccessful person will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " wrote: > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > It doesn't sound > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > of nutrition she > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > be about WAY more > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > side effect of > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > for a long time, > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > weight. With only one > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > what she's losing > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > lower the metabolism > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > instead start by > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > gets up to a better > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > how long she's > been doing this. > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > would suggest that > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > points. Her body > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > an initial weight > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > amount of calories, nor > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > body healthy. She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small little woman. All my family is small. The average height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one out at 6'0 " . __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " wrote: > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > It doesn't sound > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > of nutrition she > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > be about WAY more > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > side effect of > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > for a long time, > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > weight. With only one > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > what she's losing > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > lower the metabolism > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > instead start by > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > gets up to a better > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > how long she's > been doing this. > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > would suggest that > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > points. Her body > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > an initial weight > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > amount of calories, nor > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > body healthy. She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small little woman. All my family is small. The average height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one out at 6'0 " . __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " wrote: > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > It doesn't sound > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > of nutrition she > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > be about WAY more > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > side effect of > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > for a long time, > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > weight. With only one > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > what she's losing > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > lower the metabolism > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > instead start by > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > gets up to a better > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > how long she's > been doing this. > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > would suggest that > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > points. Her body > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > an initial weight > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > amount of calories, nor > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > body healthy. She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small little woman. All my family is small. The average height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one out at 6'0 " . __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there somewhere if she's healthy! Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight. I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I finally fit in. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith wrote: > > > --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " > wrote: > > > > > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > > It doesn't sound > > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > > of nutrition she > > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > > be about WAY more > > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > > side effect of > > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > > for a long time, > > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > > weight. With only one > > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > > what she's losing > > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > > lower the metabolism > > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > > instead start by > > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > > gets up to a better > > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > > how long she's > > been doing this. > > > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > > would suggest that > > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > > points. Her body > > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > > an initial weight > > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > > amount of calories, nor > > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > > body healthy. > > She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just > trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support > me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet > since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small > little woman. All my family is small. The average > height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one > out at 6'0 " . > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there somewhere if she's healthy! Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight. I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I finally fit in. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith wrote: > > > --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " > wrote: > > > > > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > > It doesn't sound > > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > > of nutrition she > > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > > be about WAY more > > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > > side effect of > > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > > for a long time, > > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > > weight. With only one > > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > > what she's losing > > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > > lower the metabolism > > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > > instead start by > > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > > gets up to a better > > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > > how long she's > > been doing this. > > > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > > would suggest that > > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > > points. Her body > > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > > an initial weight > > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > > amount of calories, nor > > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > > body healthy. > > She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just > trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support > me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet > since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small > little woman. All my family is small. The average > height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one > out at 6'0 " . > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there somewhere if she's healthy! Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight. I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I finally fit in. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith wrote: > > > --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " > wrote: > > > > > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism. > > It doesn't sound > > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind > > of nutrition she > > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should > > be about WAY more > > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a > > side effect of > > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising. > > > > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake > > for a long time, > > increasing now would probably cause her to gain > > weight. With only one > > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but > > what she's losing > > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the > > lower the metabolism > > goes...science, and not junk science. She might > > instead start by > > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she > > gets up to a better > > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing > > how long she's > > been doing this. > > > > If, however, she's just started doing this then I > > would suggest that > > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted > > points. Her body > > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see > > an initial weight > > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the > > amount of calories, nor > > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her > > body healthy. > > She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just > trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support > me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet > since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small > little woman. All my family is small. The average > height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one > out at 6'0 " . > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " wrote: > Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten > then probably best > to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some > people can eat > all they want and never gain weight, and others can > smoke 3 packs a > day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine > on a very low > calorie diet. She must be getting all over her > nutrients in there > somewhere if she's healthy! Yeah. I was reading an article the other day about a man who was over a 100 years old who ate fried bread friend in bacon fat as his main food source. > Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too > until I lost weight. It is very frustrating. All my family is short and stocky, not skinny but not fat (we actually have big bones... if you see my family pictures we look like neanderthals)... I'm not only tall but I'm the fattest one in my family. > I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin > and beautiful. Now I > finally fit in. I went to your website just now. Your are thin and beautiful. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:48:41 -0800 (PST), Jaquith wrote: > > > > > --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ " > wrote: > > > Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten > > then probably best > > to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some > > people can eat > > all they want and never gain weight, and others can > > smoke 3 packs a > > day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine > > on a very low > > calorie diet. She must be getting all over her > > nutrients in there > > somewhere if she's healthy! > > Yeah. I was reading an article the other day about a > man who was over a 100 years old who ate fried bread > friend in bacon fat as his main food source. Amazing, isn't it? Did you see " SuperSize Me " ? There was a guy in there who eats 2-5 Big Macs per day and had low cholesterol and is quite thin. The only affect it seems to have is bad choice in hairstyles. The Beatles meet Mullet Man is just so NOT a good look. > > Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too > > until I lost weight. > > It is very frustrating. All my family is short and > stocky, not skinny but not fat (we actually have big > bones... if you see my family pictures we look like > neanderthals)... I'm not only tall but I'm the fattest > one in my family. When you reach your goal you'll probably be one of those stockier men. My Roy is that way and I love it. I dated a skinny guy once who could eat anything and did NOT understand why I was overweight. IT's funny how someone who has no understand of what causes someone else to be overweight can be so judgemental about it. HE did nothing at all to control his weight, but somehow he thought that I was lazy because I wasn't able to control mine. At the time I was only about 10 pounds or so overweight, if even that. Truth was, he would be considered underweight. His sister, who was my age, was the same way. Very very thin and still is. Their older sister was high average but he called her fat. He was a jerk. > > I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin > > and beautiful. Now I > > finally fit in. > > I went to your website just now. Your are thin and beautiful. Gawrsh...thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 >*takes out his notebook* So, that's 4 brownie points >for ... That would be 0 point brownies too! What a bargain! I am wasting SO much time today...home sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Kerri - Give me some time to get back to you on your points question. I'd love to help you get started, but I gotta tend to the business of life right now. Feel free to email me any time. Bette bette@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Welcome Kerry! When I first joined WWers I signed up online and before I even started the eating program, I journaled a few days worth of food just to see where I was. Can you say 52 points? No freaking WONDER I was such a wonderfully chunky monkey! Anyhow, what really helped me was to take some time and sit down and look up point values of all my favorite foods. That way I could sort of mentally organize what I wanted to spend points on, and what I didn't want to spend points on. Then I did do a lot of pre-journaling. I'd plan my day in advance and try to stick as close to it as possible. A few things will really help with your success. 1. Set up a no-fail environment. Get rid of anything that you have a hard time controlling. Don't feel guilty, or like you " should " be able to control yourself. Don't say " Oh, but I have to have ding dongs for the kids. The kids need Ding Dongs like they need chicken feathers! If you're married and your husband loves to eat lard-cakes, tell him to support you he can eat all the lard-cakes he wants somewhere else. Is it unfair to ask others to change their diet because you are changing yours? No, not really. You're not asking them to stop eating those things. You're simply saying eat them away from home for now. Eventually some things will be fine, and there will probably always be other things that you have a hard time controlling. 2. Do what you're doing and find out what others eat and stock up on some low point versions of foods. Oh at first you may not take right to fat free dressings or diet sodas, but give it time. Your body is used to the high fat stuff for satiety. It will get used to the low fat stuff too. Get some good low point snacks, lots of fruits and veggies (eat your colors, says the health teacher), and put them in single serving containers and mark the points on them. It's way too easy to overindulge on low fat stuff if it isn't measured out. 3. Look up the points for meats and learn what servings truly are. Our concept of what a " serving " entails is very skewed. I got an inexpensive scale from the kitchen store and even now still weigh everything. 4. Spend more for the higher quality food, if you can. Sure at first it will feel like it's so expensive, but as long as you control your portions you'll find it's about the same. Besides, the price of obesity and obesity related illnesses is pretty darn high too! 5. There is no law that says you must eat three meals a day. Keep yourself from getting hungry and things go much smoother! Trust me! Here's how I eat: Meal 1: 2 points before I go work out in the morning (granola bar, fat free yogurt, or something like that) Meal 2: Breakfast cookie or muffin after workout, with coffee (5-7 points) Meal 3: Sandwich or Smart Ones/Lean Cuisine, fruit, and salad with FF Italian dressing (2-4 points) about 11:30 Meal 4: Carrots and granola bar and coffee (2 points) about 12:30-1:00 Meal 5: Granola bar or some other carb in preparation for afternoon workout (2 points) about 3:00 Meal 6: Dinner 4-6 points Meal 7: Dessert 2-4 points Meal 8: Snack before bread (usually cereal or peanut butter sandwich) Why do I eat this way? Because it keeps my blood sugars level and keeps me from wanting to eat the paint off the wall. I had pancreatic surgery last year so I was told to eat like this to make sure my pancreas didn't get overloaded while I was healing. Turns out to be a great way to eat! I never get hungry. My " big " meal is dinner. Basically what I do is eat breakfast in 2 shifts, lunch in 3 shifts, dinner, dessert, and snack. I have some meals that I eat regularly on my website at www.msteechur.com. There are simple recipes (because Martha I am not) and point values for meals. I also looked at the Weight Watchers online meal plan to get ideas when I first started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 What do you do during the holidays? I have done fairly well until this month. I have started substituting WW recipes for regular ones and tried many new recipes. But it is so hard to change years of traditions. My older dd's especially asked " are we still having our regular Christmas eve and Christmas dinner. Still making cookies and candy. I have made these for over 20 years and my mom and grandmother before that. I thought, that's only 2 meals but I cook the whole month of December. The kids snack and unfortunately I do too. Mostly without thinking. Any suggestions? Thank you, > 1. Set up a no-fail environment. Get rid of anything that you have a > hard time controlling. Don't feel guilty, or like you " should " be able > to control yourself. Don't say " Oh, but I have to have ding dongs for > the kids. The kids need Ding Dongs like they need chicken feathers! If > you're married and your husband loves to eat lard-cakes, tell him to > support you he can eat all the lard-cakes he wants somewhere else. > > Is it unfair to ask others to change their diet because you are > changing yours? No, not really. You're not asking them to stop eating > those things. You're simply saying eat them away from home for now. > Eventually some things will be fine, and there will probably always be > other things that you have a hard time controlling. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 [snip to get to] > 3. Look up the points for meats and learn what servings truly are. Our > concept of what a " serving " entails is very skewed. I got an > inexpensive scale from the kitchen store and even now still weigh > everything. Can I just echo this? Sometimes what a serving is seems like a fine amount (1 tbs of sour cream seems like plenty on a fajita) and sometimes it seems tiny (1/2 c of pasta or rice does not look like much on a dinner plate, and 1 tbs of peanut butter definitely does not make the kind of peanut butter sandwich I used to make pre-WW.) I always measure and weigh. I've only been doing this 10 weeks, and I do not trust myself to eyeball. Dunno if I ever will, either. Oh, and I eat many times during the day, too. I snack every few hours. My co-workers think it's hilarious -- the lady who's losing weight by spending all day noshing. <g> JB 230/213.5/257 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 JB - Me too! Like you and Tory, I continue to weigh and measure everything. You're right to not trust yourself on eyeballing things. That 1 tbsp of peanut butter has a way of rounding itself into a nice mound that can actually measure at 1 1/2 or even 2 tbsps!! It's amazing how we can trick ourselves into thinking an amount of food is less than it really is. As for eating several times a day -- my friends think I'm fibbing, somehow. They don't understand how I can eat literally every two hours, right up to 10pm before bed, and lose weight the way I've done. Maybe it won't work for every body, but for mine it works to keep that metabolism revved with smaller amounts, more often. I actually eat six meals a day, with sometimes lunch being the largest and sometimes dinner--depending on the day's schedule and activities. Have I mentioned lately that I LOVE Weight Watchers? Well.......I love Weight Watchers! Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 JB - Me too! Like you and Tory, I continue to weigh and measure everything. You're right to not trust yourself on eyeballing things. That 1 tbsp of peanut butter has a way of rounding itself into a nice mound that can actually measure at 1 1/2 or even 2 tbsps!! It's amazing how we can trick ourselves into thinking an amount of food is less than it really is. As for eating several times a day -- my friends think I'm fibbing, somehow. They don't understand how I can eat literally every two hours, right up to 10pm before bed, and lose weight the way I've done. Maybe it won't work for every body, but for mine it works to keep that metabolism revved with smaller amounts, more often. I actually eat six meals a day, with sometimes lunch being the largest and sometimes dinner--depending on the day's schedule and activities. Have I mentioned lately that I LOVE Weight Watchers? Well.......I love Weight Watchers! Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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