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You shouldn't eat if you are not hungry...but that is a great

opportunity to eat higher point items that are good for us such as a

glass of milk & some almonds (5-8 points).

Blessings,

Regina Bassett

Eat all Points?

Hi all --

Just a quick question. The other day, I was hungry during the day but

too busy to eat at work. (Normally I snack, but that whole week was

crazed and this happened several times that week.) In the evening, I had

a nice filling dinner, and therefore was no longer hungry, but found

myself well under target points. I didn't want to encourage myself to

eat when I wasn't hungry -- eek! bad habit alert! -- so I didn't eat

anything just to reach my target points, but should I have? Any experts

out there who can recommend what I should have done, or what I should do

in the future?

Thanks --

JB

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Hi,

I am by no means an expert, but I always try to stay under my points and feel I

am overeating when I use them all. I loose better when I don't use them all.

And I don't use the 35 extra weekly points. There has been once or twice I have

digged into them, but I always feel guilty when I do and hate to.

Thus far I have been loosing each week so I am keeping with my system.

bye cindy

jbrown14464 wrote:

Hi all --

Just a quick question. The other day, I was hungry during the day but

too busy to eat at work. (Normally I snack, but that whole week was

crazed and this happened several times that week.) In the evening, I

had a nice filling dinner, and therefore was no longer hungry, but

found myself well under target points. I didn't want to encourage

myself to eat when I wasn't hungry -- eek! bad habit alert! -- so I

didn't eat anything just to reach my target points, but should I have?

Any experts out there who can recommend what I should have done, or

what I should do in the future?

Thanks --

JB

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JB,

I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is indeed a

great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally allow

yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day

significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except on

rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an

abrupt halt!!

Bette

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Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who

usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target

points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I

don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to.

I'm only about 6 weeks into this.

C in MN

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer "

writes:

JB,

I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is

indeed a

great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally

allow

yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day

significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except

on

rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an

abrupt halt!!

Bette

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Thanks, Tory and Bette. This was exactly the response I was looking

for -- something food-sciencey from the experts. I have a mild

disorder that sets my metabolism low as it is -- I do NOT want

to " turn down the furnace " any further in the vain hope of speeding

up weight loss! Nope nope. It's eat target points and exercise for

me.

Tx --

JB

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>

> >Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and

who

> >usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target

> >points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special

occasions " . I

> >don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would

LIKE to.

> >I'm only about 6 weeks into this.

> >

> > C in MN

> >

> >On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer "

> ><bette@e...> writes:

> >JB,

> >I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target

is

> >indeed a

> >great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't

normally

> >allow

> >yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day

> >significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do

that except

> >on

> >rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come

to an

> >abrupt halt!!

> >Bette

> >278/168/175

> >

> >

> >

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I am one who can eat every last point available (flex, target and AP)

and still lose. I've gone over by 14 points and still lost. Nothing

that I recommend, but I had miscalculated something and forgot about

something.

The flex points are there for you to use at your discression. There's

no requirement to use them. Whatever you find to be your magic

formula, stick with that. I know many people who have done that and

" forgotten " about the additional points.

Just keep in mind, that when you add up the targets and flex for the

week. It's the same amount of points we had under the 1-2-3 plan. We

were only able to earn and eat an additional 2 food points back then

(it was a point per 20 minutes of exercise, then when the revamped,

they came out with the exercise booster). I lost 75 pounds over 9

months and another gal lost over 150 pounds (and she had a Mcs

Ice Cream cone every day) under that program. When Winning points,

they took away 2 points and had you earn them back by exercising.

Many people didn't take the bait and they had problems loosing. Of

course, not everyone had that problem. There were folks in my meeting

that didn't do a lick of exercise and were still losing. But based on

all I've read and seen, they were also losing muscle.

That's the nice thing about having the Core, is that you can do what

you want. I know when Flex came out, folks were still doing WP and

feeling like they had to " hide " that fact. Even though the difference

between the two is 14 points, many folks didn't like the freedom of

having those 35 FPs out there. And with no carrying over or ranges,

they had to do what worked for them.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:04:40 -0600, maryshann@...

wrote:

> Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and who

> usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target

> points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special occasions " . I

> don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would LIKE to.

> I'm only about 6 weeks into this.

>

> C in MN

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Hi,

well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is

probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon

and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that

WW lowers your points each 25 pounds?

If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained

becasue I was eating plenty before WW.

I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking you

are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat ALL

your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is just

plain junk science.

There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I have

missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it.

bye cindy

jbrown14464 wrote:

Thanks, Tory and Bette. This was exactly the response I was looking

for -- something food-sciencey from the experts. I have a mild

disorder that sets my metabolism low as it is -- I do NOT want

to " turn down the furnace " any further in the vain hope of speeding

up weight loss! Nope nope. It's eat target points and exercise for

me.

Tx --

JB

230/214.5/157

>

> >Are there some of you who DO eat all your points every day, and

who

> >usually use some or all 35 points? I'm fine with eating my target

> >points, but am afraid to use the 35, except for " special

occasions " . I

> >don't feel like I should use them every week, but I sure would

LIKE to.

> >I'm only about 6 weeks into this.

> >

> > C in MN

> >

> >On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:28:07 -0800 " Bette Holzer "

> ><bette@e...> writes:

> >JB,

> >I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target

is

> >indeed a

> >great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't

normally

> >allow

> >yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day

> >significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do

that except

> >on

> >rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come

to an

> >abrupt halt!!

> >Bette

> >278/168/175

> >

> >

> >

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how did everyone get started on the points program? Do you make menus and then

you know you are only eating so many points or what? I am new at this and need

all the help i can get....thanks, kerri

RE: Eat all Points?

JB,

I agree with Regina -- finding yourself under your points target is indeed a

great opportunity to have something special that you wouldn't normally allow

yourself. But also, it won't destroy your program to have one day

significantly under your target. Just make sure you don't do that except on

rare occasions, or I guarantee you will see your weight loss come to an

abrupt halt!!

Bette

278/168/175

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Porter

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is

probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon

and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that

WW lowers your points each 25 pounds?

>

> If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained

becasue I was eating plenty before WW.

>

> I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking you

are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat ALL

your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is just

plain junk science.

Excuse me? YOu know there are ways to disagree with people and calling

what they suggest " junk science " is just plain rude.

I guess I was just going on what I learned in my nutrition classes

when I was a Health major. I'm currenlty a high school health (and IT)

teacher. I've been doing a lot of research lately into weight loss

since:

a) I've lost over 100 pounds and maintained that loss for 2 years as of tomorrow

B) I want to maintain that loss for another 50 years (since I plan to

live 99 so I can torture my husband)

c) I want to make sure the information that I give to my students is accurate

> There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I have

missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it.

Well, since Weight Watchers literature is only just that, Weight

Watchers Literature, and not a science book it's probably not

something they go into. We know that most people don't take time to

read things clearly (or no one would smoke, everyone would be at their

ideal weight, and we'd never have OTC drug overdoses) so WWers keeps

it simple.

The body's reaction to calorie deprivation works like this.

1. It make note that there are less calories coming in. It gets a

little concerned. If there are substantially less calories coming in,

it starts to freak out a little.

2. If the reduction is not drastic, it should respond by using stores

of energy. It will metabolize lean muscle tissue and fat in order to

keep the body fueled.

3. If the reduction is too drastic it will start to turn down the

furnace (metabolism).

Here's an analogy I use with my students. Imagine you were living in a

cabin in the mountains. The first snowfall has come in before your

second cord of wood was delivered. What would you do?

You'd probably turn down the thermostat (assuming wood heat, no

electric heat) and keep the house warm enough to get the business

done, but not as warm as you'd like it because you wouldn't know when

the next time you'd be able to get out and get more wood.

Why use muscle and other lean tissues? Because fat is a GREAT source

of energy, but when the body is thinking it's starving it's going to

go for slower burning sources too. In the same way you might have a

generator at the cabin, but you'd rather save the gasoline in the geny

for a real emergency.

Your body doesn't know you're on a diet. All it knows is you used to

be eating 4000 calories a day and now you're eating 2000. Or perhaps

you've gone from 3000 to 1500. That's a 50% drop in calories! Your

body doesn't know that your high school reunion is coming up or that

you want to fit into that new dress. It only know that you're not

getting the nutrition and energy you used to get and it responds.

As your body, in this freaked out mode, starts to metabolize your lean

muscle tissue your metabolism goes down because muscle burns calories

faster than fat. With a lower percentage of muscle to body weight, the

metabolism is going to naturally go down.

According to the UMM website (not junk science), severely reducing

calories can result in:

Fatigue

Intolerance to cold

Hair loss

Gallstones

Mentrual irregularities

Because your body will metabolize some of your muscle it is important

to make exercise a part of your weight loss program. Not only will it

counteract the lowering of the metabolism, but it will also help to

strengthen your muscles and rebuild. Muscle also burns more calories

at rest than fat does, which is a metabolistic response.

So why doesn't your metabolism increase as you increase your calories?

Because the body can't continue to rev up the engine. There comes a

point of diminishing returns. If you go on a VLCD (very low calorie

diet) and then have a day of binging because you have been starving

yourself, your body will rev up a little. Then it will lower back

down. If you eat more calories than you burn your body first converts

it to glucose, then to glycogen and stores that in the muscles. When

the muscles have reached their threshold the excess gets converted to

fat and some is released as waste. Since overeating calories does NOT

build muscle tissue, the metabolism isn't going to rise.

Does that answer your " junk science " claim? Quite frankly I'm really

offended that you made such an inappropriate comment. Remember that

there are a lot of people on this group with a lot of opinions. You

are welcome to disagree with people, but please do so in a polite

manner. Calling someone's information " junk science " without having a

very strong understanding of the science yourself is inappropriate at

best.

By the way...we loose the hounds on people, we lose weight. You had an

extra O in lose.

Oh, and WWers lowers points by 25 for a few reasons:

1. Studies show that people do not stay on eating programs where they

feel deprived. By lowing food intake slowly, people are more likely to

stick to the program.

2. As you get lighter your basal metabolic rate goes down, especially

if you're not building muscle. Think about it. If you walk a mile you

burn about 100 calories. But if you walk a mile carrying 50 pounds of

weight on your shoulders, you're going to burn more just with the

effort of extra weight.

So I would suggest...cause I've actually read the research on it,

teach it, have a degree in it...that it's dangerous to eat below your

points with regularity if your goal is to maintain a reasonable rate

of loss. If you want to reset your metabolism to a lower rate so that

you can survive on a much lower caloric intake each day, by all means

don't eat all your points. As long as you don't get dangerously low,

your body will respond by simply becoming more efficient with calories

so that you'll need to continue to eat at a very low caloric rate to

maintain your weight loss. Personally I'd rather rev up my metabolism

so I can enjoy a variety of healthy, delicious foods that keep me

satisfied.

Junk science...well I never....

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That should be " Weight Watchers lowers points every 25 pound loss because... "

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:38:54 -0800, Tory Klementsen, MCP A+

wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:36:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Porter

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > well the logic of lowering your metabolism by eating more sounds good and is

probabally what everyone wants to hear, (sort of like pig out on all the bacon

and cheese you want and skip carbs to loose weight) but why do you suppose that

WW lowers your points each 25 pounds?

> >

> > If that logic is true then I should have not gained all the weight I gained

becasue I was eating plenty before WW.

> >

> > I agree that you need at least 1000 a day to keep your body from thinking

you are starving and stopping burning calories, but to say that we need to eat

ALL your points or you will not loose well and have trouble on maintenance is

just plain junk science.

>

> Excuse me? YOu know there are ways to disagree with people and calling

> what they suggest " junk science " is just plain rude.

>

> I guess I was just going on what I learned in my nutrition classes

> when I was a Health major. I'm currenlty a high school health (and IT)

> teacher. I've been doing a lot of research lately into weight loss

> since:

>

> a) I've lost over 100 pounds and maintained that loss for 2 years as of

tomorrow

>

> B) I want to maintain that loss for another 50 years (since I plan to

> live 99 so I can torture my husband)

>

> c) I want to make sure the information that I give to my students is accurate

>

> > There is nothing in my WW literature that suggests such a thing, and if I

have missed it please point out the book and page number so I can see it.

>

> Well, since Weight Watchers literature is only just that, Weight

> Watchers Literature, and not a science book it's probably not

> something they go into. We know that most people don't take time to

> read things clearly (or no one would smoke, everyone would be at their

> ideal weight, and we'd never have OTC drug overdoses) so WWers keeps

> it simple.

>

> The body's reaction to calorie deprivation works like this.

>

> 1. It make note that there are less calories coming in. It gets a

> little concerned. If there are substantially less calories coming in,

> it starts to freak out a little.

>

> 2. If the reduction is not drastic, it should respond by using stores

> of energy. It will metabolize lean muscle tissue and fat in order to

> keep the body fueled.

>

> 3. If the reduction is too drastic it will start to turn down the

> furnace (metabolism).

>

> Here's an analogy I use with my students. Imagine you were living in a

> cabin in the mountains. The first snowfall has come in before your

> second cord of wood was delivered. What would you do?

>

> You'd probably turn down the thermostat (assuming wood heat, no

> electric heat) and keep the house warm enough to get the business

> done, but not as warm as you'd like it because you wouldn't know when

> the next time you'd be able to get out and get more wood.

>

> Why use muscle and other lean tissues? Because fat is a GREAT source

> of energy, but when the body is thinking it's starving it's going to

> go for slower burning sources too. In the same way you might have a

> generator at the cabin, but you'd rather save the gasoline in the geny

> for a real emergency.

>

> Your body doesn't know you're on a diet. All it knows is you used to

> be eating 4000 calories a day and now you're eating 2000. Or perhaps

> you've gone from 3000 to 1500. That's a 50% drop in calories! Your

> body doesn't know that your high school reunion is coming up or that

> you want to fit into that new dress. It only know that you're not

> getting the nutrition and energy you used to get and it responds.

>

> As your body, in this freaked out mode, starts to metabolize your lean

> muscle tissue your metabolism goes down because muscle burns calories

> faster than fat. With a lower percentage of muscle to body weight, the

> metabolism is going to naturally go down.

>

> According to the UMM website (not junk science), severely reducing

> calories can result in:

> Fatigue

> Intolerance to cold

> Hair loss

> Gallstones

> Mentrual irregularities

>

> Because your body will metabolize some of your muscle it is important

> to make exercise a part of your weight loss program. Not only will it

> counteract the lowering of the metabolism, but it will also help to

> strengthen your muscles and rebuild. Muscle also burns more calories

> at rest than fat does, which is a metabolistic response.

>

> So why doesn't your metabolism increase as you increase your calories?

> Because the body can't continue to rev up the engine. There comes a

> point of diminishing returns. If you go on a VLCD (very low calorie

> diet) and then have a day of binging because you have been starving

> yourself, your body will rev up a little. Then it will lower back

> down. If you eat more calories than you burn your body first converts

> it to glucose, then to glycogen and stores that in the muscles. When

> the muscles have reached their threshold the excess gets converted to

> fat and some is released as waste. Since overeating calories does NOT

> build muscle tissue, the metabolism isn't going to rise.

>

> Does that answer your " junk science " claim? Quite frankly I'm really

> offended that you made such an inappropriate comment. Remember that

> there are a lot of people on this group with a lot of opinions. You

> are welcome to disagree with people, but please do so in a polite

> manner. Calling someone's information " junk science " without having a

> very strong understanding of the science yourself is inappropriate at

> best.

>

> By the way...we loose the hounds on people, we lose weight. You had an

> extra O in lose.

>

> Oh, and WWers lowers points by 25 for a few reasons:

>

> 1. Studies show that people do not stay on eating programs where they

> feel deprived. By lowing food intake slowly, people are more likely to

> stick to the program.

>

> 2. As you get lighter your basal metabolic rate goes down, especially

> if you're not building muscle. Think about it. If you walk a mile you

> burn about 100 calories. But if you walk a mile carrying 50 pounds of

> weight on your shoulders, you're going to burn more just with the

> effort of extra weight.

>

> So I would suggest...cause I've actually read the research on it,

> teach it, have a degree in it...that it's dangerous to eat below your

> points with regularity if your goal is to maintain a reasonable rate

> of loss. If you want to reset your metabolism to a lower rate so that

> you can survive on a much lower caloric intake each day, by all means

> don't eat all your points. As long as you don't get dangerously low,

> your body will respond by simply becoming more efficient with calories

> so that you'll need to continue to eat at a very low caloric rate to

> maintain your weight loss. Personally I'd rather rev up my metabolism

> so I can enjoy a variety of healthy, delicious foods that keep me

> satisfied.

>

> Junk science...well I never....

>

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IT and Health Educator

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--- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

wrote:

> It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> It doesn't sound

> like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> of nutrition she

> needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> be about WAY more

> than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> side effect of

> moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

>

> If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> for a long time,

> increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> weight. With only one

> meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> what she's losing

> is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> lower the metabolism

> goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> instead start by

> increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> gets up to a better

> level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> how long she's

> been doing this.

>

> If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> would suggest that

> she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> points. Her body

> will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> an initial weight

> gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> amount of calories, nor

> the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> body healthy.

She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

little woman. All my family is small. The average

height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

out at 6'0 " .

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--- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

wrote:

> It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> It doesn't sound

> like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> of nutrition she

> needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> be about WAY more

> than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> side effect of

> moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

>

> If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> for a long time,

> increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> weight. With only one

> meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> what she's losing

> is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> lower the metabolism

> goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> instead start by

> increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> gets up to a better

> level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> how long she's

> been doing this.

>

> If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> would suggest that

> she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> points. Her body

> will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> an initial weight

> gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> amount of calories, nor

> the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> body healthy.

She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

little woman. All my family is small. The average

height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

out at 6'0 " .

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--- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

wrote:

> It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> It doesn't sound

> like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> of nutrition she

> needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> be about WAY more

> than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> side effect of

> moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

>

> If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> for a long time,

> increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> weight. With only one

> meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> what she's losing

> is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> lower the metabolism

> goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> instead start by

> increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> gets up to a better

> level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> how long she's

> been doing this.

>

> If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> would suggest that

> she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> points. Her body

> will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> an initial weight

> gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> amount of calories, nor

> the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> body healthy.

She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

little woman. All my family is small. The average

height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

out at 6'0 " .

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Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best

to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat

all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a

day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low

calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there

somewhere if she's healthy!

Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight.

I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I

finally fit in.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith

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>

> --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

> wrote:

>

>

>

> > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> > It doesn't sound

> > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> > of nutrition she

> > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> > be about WAY more

> > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> > side effect of

> > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

> >

> > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> > for a long time,

> > increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> > weight. With only one

> > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> > what she's losing

> > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> > lower the metabolism

> > goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> > instead start by

> > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> > gets up to a better

> > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> > how long she's

> > been doing this.

> >

> > If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> > would suggest that

> > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> > points. Her body

> > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> > an initial weight

> > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> > amount of calories, nor

> > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> > body healthy.

>

> She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

> trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

> me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

> since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

> little woman. All my family is small. The average

> height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

> out at 6'0 " .

>

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Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best

to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat

all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a

day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low

calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there

somewhere if she's healthy!

Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight.

I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I

finally fit in.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith

wrote:

>

>

> --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

> wrote:

>

>

>

> > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> > It doesn't sound

> > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> > of nutrition she

> > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> > be about WAY more

> > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> > side effect of

> > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

> >

> > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> > for a long time,

> > increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> > weight. With only one

> > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> > what she's losing

> > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> > lower the metabolism

> > goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> > instead start by

> > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> > gets up to a better

> > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> > how long she's

> > been doing this.

> >

> > If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> > would suggest that

> > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> > points. Her body

> > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> > an initial weight

> > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> > amount of calories, nor

> > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> > body healthy.

>

> She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

> trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

> me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

> since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

> little woman. All my family is small. The average

> height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

> out at 6'0 " .

>

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Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten then probably best

to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some people can eat

all they want and never gain weight, and others can smoke 3 packs a

day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine on a very low

calorie diet. She must be getting all over her nutrients in there

somewhere if she's healthy!

Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too until I lost weight.

I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin and beautiful. Now I

finally fit in.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:07:14 -0800 (PST), Jaquith

wrote:

>

>

> --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

> wrote:

>

>

>

> > It depends on what is going on with her metabolism.

> > It doesn't sound

> > like she is eating a diet that can maintain the kind

> > of nutrition she

> > needs for optimal health. Changing our diets should

> > be about WAY more

> > than losing weight. Weight loss should really be a

> > side effect of

> > moving into eating a healthier diet and exercising.

> >

> > If she's been eating at such a low caloric intake

> > for a long time,

> > increasing now would probably cause her to gain

> > weight. With only one

> > meal and some fruit during the day she's losing, but

> > what she's losing

> > is muscle tissue. The more muscle she loses, the

> > lower the metabolism

> > goes...science, and not junk science. She might

> > instead start by

> > increasing by 2 points a week every week until she

> > gets up to a better

> > level. It's really hard to say for sure not knowing

> > how long she's

> > been doing this.

> >

> > If, however, she's just started doing this then I

> > would suggest that

> > she should bite the bullet and go up to her alloted

> > points. Her body

> > will thank her for it in the long run. Might she see

> > an initial weight

> > gain? Yes. But she simply is not taking in the

> > amount of calories, nor

> > the amount of nutrients, that she needs to keep her

> > body healthy.

>

> She isn't attempting to lose weight. She was just

> trying to get interested in Weight Watchers to support

> me. She's eaten fruit as the main part of her diet

> since I was a little kid. She is also quite a small

> little woman. All my family is small. The average

> height in my family is around 4'5 " . I'm the odd one

> out at 6'0 " .

>

> __________________________________________________

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--- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

wrote:

> Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten

> then probably best

> to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some

> people can eat

> all they want and never gain weight, and others can

> smoke 3 packs a

> day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine

> on a very low

> calorie diet. She must be getting all over her

> nutrients in there

> somewhere if she's healthy!

Yeah. I was reading an article the other day about a

man who was over a 100 years old who ate fried bread

friend in bacon fat as his main food source.

> Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too

> until I lost weight.

It is very frustrating. All my family is short and

stocky, not skinny but not fat (we actually have big

bones... if you see my family pictures we look like

neanderthals)... I'm not only tall but I'm the fattest

one in my family.

> I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin

> and beautiful. Now I

> finally fit in.

I went to your website just now. Your are thin and beautiful.

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:48:41 -0800 (PST), Jaquith

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> --- " Tory Klementsen, MCP A+ "

> wrote:

>

> > Ah, I see! Well if this is how she's always eaten

> > then probably best

> > to leave well enough alone, you know? Just like some

> > people can eat

> > all they want and never gain weight, and others can

> > smoke 3 packs a

> > day and live to be 92, some people can do just fine

> > on a very low

> > calorie diet. She must be getting all over her

> > nutrients in there

> > somewhere if she's healthy!

>

> Yeah. I was reading an article the other day about a

> man who was over a 100 years old who ate fried bread

> friend in bacon fat as his main food source.

Amazing, isn't it? Did you see " SuperSize Me " ? There was a guy in

there who eats 2-5 Big Macs per day and had low cholesterol and is

quite thin. The only affect it seems to have is bad choice in

hairstyles. The Beatles meet Mullet Man is just so NOT a good look.

> > Isn't it frustrating to be odd man out? I was too

> > until I lost weight.

>

> It is very frustrating. All my family is short and

> stocky, not skinny but not fat (we actually have big

> bones... if you see my family pictures we look like

> neanderthals)... I'm not only tall but I'm the fattest

> one in my family.

When you reach your goal you'll probably be one of those stockier men.

My Roy is that way and I love it. I dated a skinny guy once who could

eat anything and did NOT understand why I was overweight. IT's funny

how someone who has no understand of what causes someone else to be

overweight can be so judgemental about it. HE did nothing at all to

control his weight, but somehow he thought that I was lazy because I

wasn't able to control mine. At the time I was only about 10 pounds or

so overweight, if even that. Truth was, he would be considered

underweight. His sister, who was my age, was the same way. Very very

thin and still is. Their older sister was high average but he called

her fat.

He was a jerk.

> > I was always the fat one and my sibs are all thin

> > and beautiful. Now I

> > finally fit in.

>

> I went to your website just now. Your are thin and beautiful.

Gawrsh...thanks. ;)

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Kerri -

Give me some time to get back to you on your points question. I'd love to

help you get started, but I gotta tend to the business of life right now.

Feel free to email me any time.

Bette

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Welcome Kerry!

When I first joined WWers I signed up online and before I even started

the eating program, I journaled a few days worth of food just to see

where I was.

Can you say 52 points? No freaking WONDER I was such a wonderfully

chunky monkey!

Anyhow, what really helped me was to take some time and sit down and

look up point values of all my favorite foods. That way I could sort

of mentally organize what I wanted to spend points on, and what I

didn't want to spend points on.

Then I did do a lot of pre-journaling. I'd plan my day in advance and

try to stick as close to it as possible. A few things will really help

with your success.

1. Set up a no-fail environment. Get rid of anything that you have a

hard time controlling. Don't feel guilty, or like you " should " be able

to control yourself. Don't say " Oh, but I have to have ding dongs for

the kids. The kids need Ding Dongs like they need chicken feathers! If

you're married and your husband loves to eat lard-cakes, tell him to

support you he can eat all the lard-cakes he wants somewhere else.

Is it unfair to ask others to change their diet because you are

changing yours? No, not really. You're not asking them to stop eating

those things. You're simply saying eat them away from home for now.

Eventually some things will be fine, and there will probably always be

other things that you have a hard time controlling.

2. Do what you're doing and find out what others eat and stock up on

some low point versions of foods. Oh at first you may not take right

to fat free dressings or diet sodas, but give it time. Your body is

used to the high fat stuff for satiety. It will get used to the low

fat stuff too. Get some good low point snacks, lots of fruits and

veggies (eat your colors, says the health teacher), and put them in

single serving containers and mark the points on them. It's way too

easy to overindulge on low fat stuff if it isn't measured out.

3. Look up the points for meats and learn what servings truly are. Our

concept of what a " serving " entails is very skewed. I got an

inexpensive scale from the kitchen store and even now still weigh

everything.

4. Spend more for the higher quality food, if you can. Sure at first

it will feel like it's so expensive, but as long as you control your

portions you'll find it's about the same. Besides, the price of

obesity and obesity related illnesses is pretty darn high too!

5. There is no law that says you must eat three meals a day. Keep

yourself from getting hungry and things go much smoother! Trust me!

Here's how I eat:

Meal 1: 2 points before I go work out in the morning (granola bar, fat

free yogurt, or something like that)

Meal 2: Breakfast cookie or muffin after workout, with coffee (5-7 points)

Meal 3: Sandwich or Smart Ones/Lean Cuisine, fruit, and salad with FF

Italian dressing (2-4 points) about 11:30

Meal 4: Carrots and granola bar and coffee (2 points) about 12:30-1:00

Meal 5: Granola bar or some other carb in preparation for afternoon

workout (2 points) about 3:00

Meal 6: Dinner 4-6 points

Meal 7: Dessert 2-4 points

Meal 8: Snack before bread (usually cereal or peanut butter sandwich)

Why do I eat this way? Because it keeps my blood sugars level and

keeps me from wanting to eat the paint off the wall. I had pancreatic

surgery last year so I was told to eat like this to make sure my

pancreas didn't get overloaded while I was healing. Turns out to be a

great way to eat! I never get hungry. My " big " meal is dinner.

Basically what I do is eat breakfast in 2 shifts, lunch in 3 shifts,

dinner, dessert, and snack.

I have some meals that I eat regularly on my website at

www.msteechur.com. There are simple recipes (because Martha I am not)

and point values for meals. I also looked at the Weight Watchers

online meal plan to get ideas when I first started.

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What do you do during the holidays? I have done fairly well until this

month. I have started substituting WW recipes for regular ones and tried

many new recipes. But it is so hard to change years of traditions. My older

dd's especially asked " are we still having our regular Christmas eve and

Christmas dinner. Still making cookies and candy. I have made these for over

20 years and my mom and grandmother before that. I thought, that's only 2

meals but I cook the whole month of December. The kids snack and

unfortunately I do too. Mostly without thinking. Any suggestions?

Thank you,

> 1. Set up a no-fail environment. Get rid of anything that you have a

> hard time controlling. Don't feel guilty, or like you " should " be able

> to control yourself. Don't say " Oh, but I have to have ding dongs for

> the kids. The kids need Ding Dongs like they need chicken feathers! If

> you're married and your husband loves to eat lard-cakes, tell him to

> support you he can eat all the lard-cakes he wants somewhere else.

>

> Is it unfair to ask others to change their diet because you are

> changing yours? No, not really. You're not asking them to stop eating

> those things. You're simply saying eat them away from home for now.

> Eventually some things will be fine, and there will probably always be

> other things that you have a hard time controlling.

>

>

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> 3. Look up the points for meats and learn what servings truly are.

Our

> concept of what a " serving " entails is very skewed. I got an

> inexpensive scale from the kitchen store and even now still weigh

> everything.

Can I just echo this? Sometimes what a serving is seems like a fine

amount (1 tbs of sour cream seems like plenty on a fajita) and

sometimes it seems tiny (1/2 c of pasta or rice does not look like

much on a dinner plate, and 1 tbs of peanut butter definitely does

not make the kind of peanut butter sandwich I used to make pre-WW.)

I always measure and weigh. I've only been doing this 10 weeks, and

I do not trust myself to eyeball. Dunno if I ever will, either.

Oh, and I eat many times during the day, too. I snack every few

hours. My co-workers think it's hilarious -- the lady who's losing

weight by spending all day noshing. <g>

JB

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JB - Me too! Like you and Tory, I continue to weigh and measure everything.

You're right to not trust yourself on eyeballing things. That 1 tbsp of

peanut butter has a way of rounding itself into a nice mound that can

actually measure at 1 1/2 or even 2 tbsps!! It's amazing how we can trick

ourselves into thinking an amount of food is less than it really is.

As for eating several times a day -- my friends think I'm fibbing, somehow.

They don't understand how I can eat literally every two hours, right up to

10pm before bed, and lose weight the way I've done. Maybe it won't work for

every body, but for mine it works to keep that metabolism revved with

smaller amounts, more often. I actually eat six meals a day, with sometimes

lunch being the largest and sometimes dinner--depending on the day's

schedule and activities. Have I mentioned lately that I LOVE Weight

Watchers? Well.......I love Weight Watchers!

Bette

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JB - Me too! Like you and Tory, I continue to weigh and measure everything.

You're right to not trust yourself on eyeballing things. That 1 tbsp of

peanut butter has a way of rounding itself into a nice mound that can

actually measure at 1 1/2 or even 2 tbsps!! It's amazing how we can trick

ourselves into thinking an amount of food is less than it really is.

As for eating several times a day -- my friends think I'm fibbing, somehow.

They don't understand how I can eat literally every two hours, right up to

10pm before bed, and lose weight the way I've done. Maybe it won't work for

every body, but for mine it works to keep that metabolism revved with

smaller amounts, more often. I actually eat six meals a day, with sometimes

lunch being the largest and sometimes dinner--depending on the day's

schedule and activities. Have I mentioned lately that I LOVE Weight

Watchers? Well.......I love Weight Watchers!

Bette

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