Re: Low TSH and osteoporosis

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Katy wrote: My doc was pleased that I was doing well on Armour when I visited him this week, but he was concerned that my TSH was very low indeed (0.06 in a scale 0.35-5.5). He is aware that Armour will suppress the TSH and it's not that he thinks I am "hyper" but he is concerned about the implications for osteoporosis later on. Apparently there is an association. So far I have found conflicting views in my research.What do other people know about this issue? What

is the mechanism which makes a very low TSH be a risk factor for osteoporosis, anyway?Katy Katy: Could be wrong, but I have never found a "proper" association with thyroid replacement and osteoporosis, unless the repalcement is insufficient. The only true link that has been established is with ACTUAL hyperthryoidism from the thryiod itelf, and even then it looks as if it REALLY needs to be super-off the charts for that to happen. If you read the Synthroid insert, you will see the advice to take calcium supplement along with their pill (not at same time). I think they may be wrong about this, but probably want to cover their buts. You don't see this with the Armour insert. My guess is that researchers figure the calcitonin it contains somehow picks up the slack, if its even necessary to worry about at all. If your docs want to worry about

you bones...you should get a bone scan for a base line. Every year you can get it checked to see if their is loss. Ask him to check your vitamin D-3 and tell him that Armour has never been linked with bone-loss. ~E:) ~EG Connecticut T-T 27 months

ago - 58.92 mcg Synthetic plus 116.25 mg Armour = 203.96 mcgs RATIO: 88 % T4 / 12% T3

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Yeah, my doc has the same concerns and I'm not even below 2 yet in my TSH. He knows I want the TSH a WHOLE LOT closer to 1 than it is, but he doesn't want it below 1 at all.Katy wrote: My doc was pleased that I was doing well on Armour when I visited him this week, but he was concerned that my TSH was very low indeed (0.06 in a scale 0.35-5.5). He is aware that Armour will suppress the TSH and it's not that he thinks I am "hyper" but he is concerned about the implications for osteoporosis later on. Apparently there is an association. So far I have found conflicting views in my research.What do other people know about this issue? What is the mechanism which makes a very low TSH be a risk factor for osteoporosis, anyway?KatyKathy

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Katy

TSH is NOT a risk factor for osteoporosis, but low THYROID hormones or those

that are ridiculously high may be. There are many articles on this subjct.

TSH is not a thyroid hormone, but is a pituitary hormone. It is only

accurate for thyroid hormone production when we all still have a healthy

normal thyroid system. Once the thyroid itself fails, then this system no

longer works correctly, and the pituitary is not a reliable indicator or

thyroid hormone action, since it only " measures " as far a distance as the

thyroid (the original) itself. In this case ( most of us here), it has

become just another weak body part that's been highly affected by low

thyroid hormones, as in sluggish and weak. Even when a proper amt of the

thyroid hormone is given from the outside, it really won't have a proper

stance in the system any more, being as the " natural " source of this

stimulation has gone bonkers.

Low TSH and osteoporosis

> My doc was pleased that I was doing well on Armour when I visited him

> this week, but he was concerned that my TSH was very low indeed (0.06

> in a scale 0.35-5.5).

>

> He is aware that Armour will suppress the TSH and it's not that he

> thinks I am " hyper " but he is concerned about the implications for

> osteoporosis later on. Apparently there is an association. So far I

> have found conflicting views in my research.

>

> What do other people know about this issue? What is the mechanism

> which makes a very low TSH be a risk factor for osteoporosis, anyway?

>

> Katy

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Katy

TSH is NOT a risk factor for osteoporosis, but low THYROID hormones or those

that are ridiculously high may be. There are many articles on this subjct.

TSH is not a thyroid hormone, but is a pituitary hormone. It is only

accurate for thyroid hormone production when we all still have a healthy

normal thyroid system. Once the thyroid itself fails, then this system no

longer works correctly, and the pituitary is not a reliable indicator or

thyroid hormone action, since it only " measures " as far a distance as the

thyroid (the original) itself. In this case ( most of us here), it has

become just another weak body part that's been highly affected by low

thyroid hormones, as in sluggish and weak. Even when a proper amt of the

thyroid hormone is given from the outside, it really won't have a proper

stance in the system any more, being as the " natural " source of this

stimulation has gone bonkers.

Low TSH and osteoporosis

> My doc was pleased that I was doing well on Armour when I visited him

> this week, but he was concerned that my TSH was very low indeed (0.06

> in a scale 0.35-5.5).

>

> He is aware that Armour will suppress the TSH and it's not that he

> thinks I am " hyper " but he is concerned about the implications for

> osteoporosis later on. Apparently there is an association. So far I

> have found conflicting views in my research.

>

> What do other people know about this issue? What is the mechanism

> which makes a very low TSH be a risk factor for osteoporosis, anyway?

>

> Katy

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I know I had a DEXA scan last night, and one of the questions (one of only 3 I might add) was did I have thyroid disease...tells me that they know it's a risk factor. Add that to my gastric bypass which is also a risk factor and I'm quite concerned as to what my results are gonna be. I've been on synthroid .10mg per day for over 6 years.

I take LOTS of vitamins and supps due to my bypass-and I get regular comprehensive blood work every 6 months-just had 17 vials taken last Thursday. I keep all my results in an Excel spreadsheet so it's easy to spot any trends...

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I know I had a DEXA scan last night, and one of the questions (one of only 3 I might add) was did I have thyroid disease...tells me that they know it's a risk factor. Add that to my gastric bypass which is also a risk factor and I'm quite concerned as to what my results are gonna be. I've been on synthroid .10mg per day for over 6 years.

I take LOTS of vitamins and supps due to my bypass-and I get regular comprehensive blood work every 6 months-just had 17 vials taken last Thursday. I keep all my results in an Excel spreadsheet so it's easy to spot any trends...

____________________________ in *HHH* Jerseyopen proximal rny 9/18/015'9"-31yo297/168I'm not a doc-in real life or otherwise.***HHH=hot, hazy, & humid!!!

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I know I had a DEXA scan last night, and one of the questions (one of only 3 I might add) was did I have thyroid disease...tells me that they know it's a risk factor. Add that to my gastric bypass which is also a risk factor and I'm quite concerned as to what my results are gonna be. I've been on synthroid .10mg per day for over 6 years.

I take LOTS of vitamins and supps due to my bypass-and I get regular comprehensive blood work every 6 months-just had 17 vials taken last Thursday. I keep all my results in an Excel spreadsheet so it's easy to spot any trends...

____________________________ in *HHH* Jerseyopen proximal rny 9/18/015'9"-31yo297/168I'm not a doc-in real life or otherwise.***HHH=hot, hazy, & humid!!!

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Have you posted your results here yet?

Sue

I know I had a DEXA scan last night, and one of the questions (one of only 3 I might add) was did I have thyroid disease...tells me that they know it's a risk factor. Add that to my gastric bypass which is also a risk factor and I'm quite concerned as to what my results are gonna be. I've been on synthroid .10mg per day for over 6 years.

I take LOTS of vitamins and supps due to my bypass-and I get regular comprehensive blood work every 6 months-just had 17 vials taken last Thursday. I keep all my results in an Excel spreadsheet so it's easy to spot any trends...

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Have you posted your results here yet?Sue/////////////

I don't have my results yet...in about a week...

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DerSpiff wrote: Ya it really does. Maybe it was 1.8? She's been pretty fuzzy in the wuzzy since this all started up. I asked her what the 18 was and she didn't know. She can barely find her butt with both hands and a map right now, poor kid. Does being hypER make you fuzzy as well?Spiff______________________________________________Spiff: You are more likely to be EXTREMELY short tempered and edgy...OR really WEAK WEARY if you are hyper. The

thoughts can get so rapid that you just feel like you have no patience with others or yourself. Hypo...can cause dimentia, which will make you have memory deficits and such. Usually you would be anxious too..but NOT like you wanted to kill someone. Thats just me. Most folks have varying degrees and varying responses. ~E:) . TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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Ya it really does. Maybe it

was 1.8? She's been pretty fuzzy in the wuzzy since this all started

up. I asked her what the 18 was and she didn't know. She can barely

find her butt with both hands and a map right now, poor kid. Does

being hypER make you fuzzy as well?

> Spiff

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> Spiff: You are more likely to be EXTREMELY short tempered and

edgy...OR really WEAK WEARY if you are hyper. The thoughts can get

so rapid that you just feel like you have no patience with others or

yourself. Hypo...can cause dimentia, which will make you have

memory deficits and such. Usually you would be anxious too..but NOT

like you wanted to kill someone. Thats just me. Most folks have

varying degrees and varying responses. ~E:)

>

Hyper does make you fuzzy.. mental health wards are suppose to test

for hyper on any new patients with out any previously know mental

issues.

But it is more like being a ADD poster child...too many thoughs and

not knowing which one comes first.

Hyper can mimic signs of bipolar, manic and physiophrenzia..and yeah

your body can be dead as far as physical energy but the brain does

not shut off.. like you gotta be doing something..

ANd yeah, patience is at a premium....hyper wants everything now and

done right the first time and there way of right..

Kats3boys

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I don't think she's got short temper, but she sure is spacey, poor kid.kats3boys wrote: Ya it really does. Maybe it was 1.8? She's been pretty fuzzy in the wuzzy since this all started up. I asked her what the 18 was and she didn't know. She can

barely find her butt with both hands and a map right now, poor kid. Does being hypER make you fuzzy as well?> Spiff> ______________________________________________> Spiff: You are more likely to be EXTREMELY short tempered and edgy...OR really WEAK WEARY if you are hyper. The thoughts can get so rapid that you just feel like you have no patience with others or yourself. Hypo...can cause dimentia, which will make you have memory deficits and such. Usually you would be anxious too..but NOT like you wanted to kill someone. Thats just me. Most folks have varying degrees and varying responses. ~E:) > Hyper does make you fuzzy.. mental health wards are suppose to test for hyper on any new patients with out any previously know mental issues.But it is more like being a ADD poster child...too many thoughs and not knowing which one comes first.Hyper can mimic signs of bipolar,

manic and physiophrenzia..and yeah your body can be dead as far as physical energy but the brain does not shut off.. like you gotta be doing something..ANd yeah, patience is at a premium....hyper wants everything now and done right the first time and there way of right..Kats3boys

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