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What does DD say? If I asked my son if he

wanted to participate in such a weekend, he would say no and not change his

mind. It’s not that I’m not the mommy and have the final say, I just

wouldn’t want him in such a difficult situation if he wasn’t

willing to take absolute responsibility for himself. If your daughter really

wants to go and feels realistically able to advocate for herself, then I’d

feel better about it. (and I’d worry all weekend, but that’s a mom’s

right.)

Laurie

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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:40 PM

To: sillyyaks

Subject: interested in

your input

My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb.

When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I was

met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene from her

dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not made any

effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great - hasn't vomited in 4

months, her periods have become regular. her complexion and skin color are

much improved and her ability to concentrate has greatly improved).

Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in

August. They will stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10

family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let her go - even if they

try to feed her the right foods, the cross contamination issue is huge (they

scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults

who are in the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several

times a day. At home, she checks online or with me for menu options and

is careful when she orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get

glutened, she won't eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is

the weekend before school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year

sick. My question is - in the absence of a discussion with her

father where I sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her

go. I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your

help, Kerri

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What does DD say? If I asked my son if he

wanted to participate in such a weekend, he would say no and not change his

mind. It’s not that I’m not the mommy and have the final say, I just

wouldn’t want him in such a difficult situation if he wasn’t

willing to take absolute responsibility for himself. If your daughter really

wants to go and feels realistically able to advocate for herself, then I’d

feel better about it. (and I’d worry all weekend, but that’s a mom’s

right.)

Laurie

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SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of kerri bren

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:40 PM

To: sillyyaks

Subject: interested in

your input

My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb.

When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I was

met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene from her

dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not made any

effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great - hasn't vomited in 4

months, her periods have become regular. her complexion and skin color are

much improved and her ability to concentrate has greatly improved).

Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in

August. They will stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10

family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let her go - even if they

try to feed her the right foods, the cross contamination issue is huge (they

scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults

who are in the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several

times a day. At home, she checks online or with me for menu options and

is careful when she orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get

glutened, she won't eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is

the weekend before school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year

sick. My question is - in the absence of a discussion with her

father where I sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her

go. I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your

help, Kerri

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If I didn't know how miserable it would be for her (and her mom), I'd

say let her throw up on them for a couple of days and see what it's

like.

Seriously though, I haven't been 15 in a long while, but she sounds

like she is handling the responsibilities of being gluten free very

maturely. Much more so than her father. How enthusiastic is she

about going? Can't say I would want to. But if she really wants to

go and is willing to help you out over the next couple of months

preparing a disaster back up plan with emergency foods, restaurant

lists for the area, her own condiments, etc..), maybe this would be a

good learning experience for her and her father. As long as he would

not sabotage her efforts on purpose.

Can't suggest anything about the worrying. Mom's always will.

Good luck,

Lori

>

> My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb.

When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them

know - I was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the

DQ2 gene from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents

have not made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's

great - hasn't vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular.

her complexion and skin color are much improved and her ability to

concentrate has greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her

to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will

stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm

very hesitant to let her go - even if they try to feed her the right

foods, the cross contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue

as being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are

in the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several

times a day. At home, she checks

> online or with me for menu options and is careful when she orders.

Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't eat.

Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before school

starts and I don't want her starting her junior year sick. My

question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father where I

sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her go.

I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your help,

Kerri

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If I didn't know how miserable it would be for her (and her mom), I'd

say let her throw up on them for a couple of days and see what it's

like.

Seriously though, I haven't been 15 in a long while, but she sounds

like she is handling the responsibilities of being gluten free very

maturely. Much more so than her father. How enthusiastic is she

about going? Can't say I would want to. But if she really wants to

go and is willing to help you out over the next couple of months

preparing a disaster back up plan with emergency foods, restaurant

lists for the area, her own condiments, etc..), maybe this would be a

good learning experience for her and her father. As long as he would

not sabotage her efforts on purpose.

Can't suggest anything about the worrying. Mom's always will.

Good luck,

Lori

>

> My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb.

When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them

know - I was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the

DQ2 gene from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents

have not made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's

great - hasn't vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular.

her complexion and skin color are much improved and her ability to

concentrate has greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her

to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will

stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm

very hesitant to let her go - even if they try to feed her the right

foods, the cross contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue

as being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are

in the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several

times a day. At home, she checks

> online or with me for menu options and is careful when she orders.

Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't eat.

Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before school

starts and I don't want her starting her junior year sick. My

question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father where I

sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her go.

I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your help,

Kerri

>

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Another idea would ask the father to speak directly to the doctor and

perhaps he will listen up.........Mimi

Spaulding wrote:

Normally I would say Her father needs to take resposibility

and help her but it does not sound like that would happen. If you feel

she wants to go maybe you could consider going too, staying in your own

hotel room or would that cause more problems?

kerri bren wrote:

My

15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb. When I

contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I was

met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene from her

dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not made any

effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great - hasn't

vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular. her complexion

and skin color are much improved and her ability to concentrate has

greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day

reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will stay in a hotel with

1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let

her go - even if they try to feed her the right foods, the cross

contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as being

ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are in the know

to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several times a day.

At home, she checks online or with me for menu options and is careful

when she orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she

won't eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend

before school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year

sick. My question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father

where I sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her

go. I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your help,

Kerri

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Another idea would ask the father to speak directly to the doctor and

perhaps he will listen up.........Mimi

Spaulding wrote:

Normally I would say Her father needs to take resposibility

and help her but it does not sound like that would happen. If you feel

she wants to go maybe you could consider going too, staying in your own

hotel room or would that cause more problems?

kerri bren wrote:

My

15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb. When I

contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I was

met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene from her

dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not made any

effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great - hasn't

vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular. her complexion

and skin color are much improved and her ability to concentrate has

greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day

reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will stay in a hotel with

1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let

her go - even if they try to feed her the right foods, the cross

contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as being

ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are in the know

to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several times a day.

At home, she checks online or with me for menu options and is careful

when she orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she

won't eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend

before school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year

sick. My question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father

where I sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her

go. I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your help,

Kerri

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Yes, that’s a good idea also (if

Kerri hasn’t already been that route). I find that with my son’s

father, he will finally bow to the inevitable if he hears it from and “expert”

instead of from me. Sometimes it has to be an expert saying it in court (sigh),

but that is often what it takes to preserve the child’s rights and

health. I think if I had trouble with him on the gluten issue, I would choose

the nutritionist to “teach” him the truth of it all.

Laurie

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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:57 PM

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Another idea would ask the father to speak directly to

the doctor and perhaps he will listen up.........Mimi

Spaulding wrote:

Normally I would say Her father needs to take

resposibility and help her but it does not sound like that would happen.

If you feel she wants to go maybe you could consider going too, staying in your

own hotel room or would that cause more problems?

kerri bren

wrote:

My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end

of Feb. When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them

know - I was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene

from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not

made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great - hasn't

vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular. her complexion and

skin color are much improved and her ability to concentrate has greatly

improved). Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day reunion on

the Oregon

coast in August. They will stay in a hotel with 1

kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm very hesitant to

let her go - even if they try to feed her the right foods, the cross

contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous); we

all know how hard it is for adults who are in the know to order in a restaurant

and they plan to eat out several times a day. At home, she checks online

or with me for menu options and is careful when she orders. Furthermore

- if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't eat. Another

concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before school starts and I

don't want her starting her junior year sick. My question is - in the

absence of a discussion with her father where I sense that he grasps the

basics of her needs - should I let her go. I say no - but am I being

overprotective? Thanks for your help, Kerri

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Her dad was offered a conference call with her GI - he refused. I did send him all of her medical records which he showed to a Dr. at the Mayo clinic who concurred with the Dx. They still refuse to talk about this like adults. Her dad and his parents are all educated, two in the medical field. Oh well - you can lead a horse to water..... I've thought about sending her a back up bag - put the thought of her not eating at a meal (she says she won't take her own food into a restaurant - it's hard to be different when your 15) will let you know what we decide Kerri It's Mimi :-)" wrote: Another idea would ask the father to speak directly to the doctor and perhaps he will listen up.........Mimi Spaulding wrote: Normally I would say Her father needs to take resposibility and help her but it does not sound like that would happen. If you feel she wants to go maybe you could consider going too, staying in your own hotel room or would that cause more problems? kerri bren wrote: My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb. When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great -

hasn't vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular. her complexion and skin color are much improved and her ability to concentrate has greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let her go - even if they try to feed her the right foods, the cross contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are in the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several times a day. At home, she checks online or with me for menu options and is careful when she orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year sick. My question is -

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I wasn't celiac when I was 15, but I was from a divorce-war

ravaged family.

At 15, I would have wanted to go see my dad and family. It's only

3 days. Can she live off PB & J and fruit for 3 days? She can become

a total Soduko maniac and refuse to go to any restaurants. " Just

leave me in the car so I can solve this 10-star puzzle, OK? " I

think few would find sullen solitary behavior from a 15 year old

anything surprising. Or maybe that was just me, at 15. Laugh!

I hope she can find a way to go.

I know from bitter experience that every one thinks there will

be another tomorrow. In some cases, the opportunities to get and

give a hug you pass up are the last opportunities you had.

It sounds like she doesn't see her dad very often. See if you can't

find a way to get it all to work out. Even if it means 3 days of

PB & J on 's Gone Crackers, and fruit. You can get PB & J & fruit

in any grocery. Use crackers and you don't need to use a glutened

toaster. You can pack crackers in a suitcase or UPS them with

bubble wrap and packing peanuts in advance of her arrival. She

can toast corn tortillas on aluminum foil in the oven, if she'd

like a bigger cracker.

Hugs. This has to be very tough. The older I get, the more I

understand my mother. (Or maybe I mean to say, the older my

kids get, the more I can understand how I drove my own mother batty.)

Esther in RI

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> ... want her to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in

> August. They will stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10

> family members. So - I'm very hesitant to let her go - even

> if they try to feed her the right foods, the cross contamination

> issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous)...

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I was both celiac and with a split family at 15- family things are

complicated. If it seems that she wants to go, she could take three

days worth of frozen Amy's (or pick them up when she gets to the town-

she could " make " her Dad take her to the grocery store) and then just

microwave her own food as desired. There are other completely

contained GF meals as well, such as thai food boxes.

I can understand her not wanting to take food into restaurants- they

can be unpleasant about it and who wants to deal with that! But,

hopefully something can be worked out, even if it's just drinking or

eating plain rice etc.

>

> I wasn't celiac when I was 15, but I was from a divorce-war

> ravaged family.

>

> At 15, I would have wanted to go see my dad and family. It's only

> 3 days.

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How close is she to her dad and grandparents? At 15 is she dependable to eat what she knows to be gf? I have a special needs 15 (wait 16, just this week) and I wouldn't let him go under those circumstances. They obviously aren't taking it seriously, so they won't be careful. She's only been on the diet 3 months, so she doesn't really know what is safe.

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Kerri - Try to come up with a plan for her to have enough to eat no

matter what, so she doesn't have to worry about it. Esther's

suggestions were good. I'd also send Thai Kitchen noodle bowls.

You just need boiling water for that, so contamination potential is

controlled. My DD uses those for school lunch alot.

I'd also work with her on how to manage conversations about her

health with the family while there. If it is a losing battle (like

it sounds) then she should just avoid talking about it much. Have

something short and simple to say like " I just feel so much better

eating this way " and leave it at that. Maybe ahead of time you

could at least come to a truce of sorts with the Dad. " This is how

we are going to handle it, so just let her do this, that or

whatever. " Make it so it doesn't take much help or support from

them. All they need to do is tolerate it and not argue about it or

diminish it with her.

My DD went to England for a week with her class just 3 months after

going GF. I sent her with some bread, crackers, snacks etc. I had

no idea what kind of eating situation she would be in and the kids

in her class (and the chaperones for that matter) weren't at all

understanding about it. But she did fine. It was important enough

to her that she worked it out.

So, I do think it can be managed, if your DD really wants to go.

Good luck.

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(#default#ieooui) } What does DD say? If I asked my

son if he wanted to participate in such a weekend, he would say no

and not change his mind. It's not that I'm not the mommy and have

the final say, I just wouldn't want him in such a difficult

situation if he wasn't willing to take absolute responsibility for

himself. If your daughter really wants to go and feels realistically

able to advocate for herself, then I'd feel better about it. (and

I'd worry all weekend, but that's a mom's right.)

>

> Laurie

> lbilyeu@...

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>

> ---------------------------------

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> From: SillyYaks

[mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of kerri bren

> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:40 PM

> To: sillyyaks

> Subject: interested in your input

>

>

> My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb.

When I contacted her biological father and his family to let them

know - I was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the

DQ2 gene from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents

have not made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing

(she's great - hasn't vomited in 4 months, her periods have become

regular. her complexion and skin color are much improved and her

ability to concentrate has greatly improved). Here's my issue -

they want her to go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in

August. They will stay in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10 family

members. So - I'm very hesitant to let her go - even if they try to

feed her the right foods, the cross contamination issue is huge

(they scoff the cc issue as being ridiculous); we all know how hard

it is for adults who are in the know to order in a restaurant and

they plan to eat out several times a day. At home, she checks

> online or with me for menu options and is careful when she

orders. Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't

eat. Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before

school starts and I don't want her starting her junior year sick.

My question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father

where I sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let

her go. I say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your

help, Kerri

>

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Just my .02

I'm sorry your dh's family is the way they are, I too have been

treated poorly by my dh's family when telling them that he was the DQ2

gene carrier -- they don't get that CD cause other things like cancers

even though I've e-mail them about it before the gene testing came

back. We don't have much contact with them either mostly b/c of the

caulous words they spouted off when told about the disease, the

genetic link, etc. I just don't need that from anyone.

My son is 4 and there is no way I'd let him go stay with my MIL or

SIL, he is not old enough right now to see if CC is happening or old

enough to be an active voice for himself, med ID bracelet or not

(which might help the family see the seriousness of the issue).

Now, were he 15 and knew his diet and knew about CC and knew how to

voice his needs -- then yes, I'd let him go. I'd make sure he could

educate the family when he arrived with fact pamphlets and that he had

his " cooking & food items " with him. I might even have him carry a

letter from his doctor explaining the seriousness of Celiac Disease

and remaining GF for life.

I would check out the town on-line and the hotel, see what's near by

the she could walk to if she needs a GF meal or request a family

member to take her to or give her enough $$ for a taxi ride to and

from a store when she first arrives. Check to see if there is a

health food store near by or if a local grocery carries the products

she likes. Have her take with her the Restaurant guide portions that

would be helpful if the family is trying to decide on a restraunt.

I would probably pack a small " mess kit " for her to use. And a small

amount of dish soap for her to wash and keep her dishes separate in

her bag (bowl and spoon for cereal and soup, plastic to heat in the

microwave etc). I would pack cereal, bread, soup, PB small travel

conviences packages, raisins, etc. I would pack enough food that she

could eat before they go out in the event food selections were not

available or that she could port in her purse.

Bottom line most places have salad and fruit which are more than

likely 'safe'. Real eggs are usually available too. Be sure she has

one of those Celiac restaurant cards, they are helpful. I've had the

waitress take it to the chef in the back and come back with the

manager (1x was great at Ruby Tuesdays, 1x was bad at Applebees).

I know all Celiacs are different, but my son is very sensitive to

gluten and his reaction is within 12 hours and last about 24 hours.

And being 4, you might imagine that glutening happens on occassion. I

caught him under the dinning room table with a box of Cheez-Its my dh

brought in from his car! I don't keep that stuff around, it's too

easy for him to see it and eat it without asking which he use to do.

So, hopefully if she did get sick, it would be short lived once the

gluten leaves her system.

Rejoyce

VA

>

> My 15 yr old daughter was Dx'ed with celiac at the end of Feb. When

I contacted her biological father and his family to let them know - I

was met with hostility and was called a liar (she got the DQ2 gene

from her dad). Since that time, her dad and grandparents have not

made any effort to contact her to see how she's doing (she's great -

hasn't vomited in 4 months, her periods have become regular. her

complexion and skin color are much improved and her ability to

concentrate has greatly improved). Here's my issue - they want her to

go to a 3 day reunion on the Oregon coast in August. They will stay

in a hotel with 1 kitchenette and 10 family members. So - I'm very

hesitant to let her go - even if they try to feed her the right foods,

the cross contamination issue is huge (they scoff the cc issue as

being ridiculous); we all know how hard it is for adults who are in

the know to order in a restaurant and they plan to eat out several

times a day. At home, she checks

> online or with me for menu options and is careful when she orders.

Furthermore - if she thinks she'll get glutened, she won't eat.

Another concern I have is that this trip is the weekend before school

starts and I don't want her starting her junior year sick. My

question is - in the absence of a discussion with her father where I

sense that he grasps the basics of her needs - should I let her go. I

say no - but am I being overprotective? Thanks for your help, Kerri

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Could this be the chance to get her father to take it seriously?  I was thinking along the lines of " she'd love to come but since you don't (fill in the blank - believe, acknowledge,etc.) her Celiac and needed diet, she's afraid to come.... "

On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:08:31 +0000, victreenjesus wrote

> How close is she to her dad and grandparents?  At 15 is she dependable to eat what she knows to be gf?  I have a special needs 15 (wait 16, just this week) and I wouldn't let him go under those circumstances.  They obviously aren't taking it seriously, so they won't be careful.  She's only been on the diet 3 months, so she doesn't really know what is safe.  >   > --

> loriann aka Victree the Christian clown >  

 

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