Re: Topper update -- another long one

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Topper: It sounds like you are gonna have to get out the pill stretcher. Buy some kelpy, bladderwrack..licorice herb pills from local supplement store for five bucks (they activate thyroid hormone and STRETCH it). Do take some synthetic t4...(just enough to keep light tendon pain)... Do take some syntethic t3 to fill in the gaps later in the day..maybe your last two doses or something... Take that adrenal med you have..(It will also aid in stretching..). Try to keep your diet going as smoothly as possible...take plenty of showers...relax a lot, sit in the sunshine a little if possible and sing to yourself. Keep expecting it to all work out.. (maybe in the end..you will learn something really helpful about your protocol that you didn't

know before. Soon you will be sitting all pretty again!!! Pigtails...crown and all! ~E:) ~EG Connecticut T-T 26 months ago - 57.98 mcg Synthetic plus 120 mg Armour = 205.98 mcgs...RATIO: 87 % T4 / 13% T3

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I think you answered your own question about whether or not to take the synthetic for now:

“The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep my

brain, mood and emotions in good order.”

Sure hope it gets straightened out soon. I am such a packrat/hoarder that it actually carries over to my meds, so I have 3 months of all my meds on hand — goes back to when I was a kid and had nothing – not even food for the day... Survivial skills come in handy when we grow up. Keep the faith!

Sue

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I think you answered your own question about whether or not to take the synthetic for now:

“The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep my

brain, mood and emotions in good order.”

Sure hope it gets straightened out soon. I am such a packrat/hoarder that it actually carries over to my meds, so I have 3 months of all my meds on hand — goes back to when I was a kid and had nothing – not even food for the day... Survivial skills come in handy when we grow up. Keep the faith!

Sue

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I think you answered your own question about whether or not to take the synthetic for now:

“The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep my

brain, mood and emotions in good order.”

Sure hope it gets straightened out soon. I am such a packrat/hoarder that it actually carries over to my meds, so I have 3 months of all my meds on hand — goes back to when I was a kid and had nothing – not even food for the day... Survivial skills come in handy when we grow up. Keep the faith!

Sue

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it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not the

same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for you.

Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do not

have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

Kats3boys

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it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not the

same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for you.

Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do not

have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

Kats3boys

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it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not the

same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for you.

Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do not

have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

Kats3boys

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WOW.....at least things are starting to try to flow your way thankfully!!! To help with the cramps, can you try magnesium, has that ever helped? I've also got this stuff ( tastes AWFUL ) that I got from a woman that used to be a friend of mine and it's called KM. It's an herbal concoction and I take it when I get restless legs. I forgot that I had 'nanners in the fridge.....duh. It helped take away the restless and I was actually able to sleep. I'll have to see if I can find the link. I'm not sure what a bottle costs, she said she gave it to me at her cost which was $25. You only take 2T mixed in water at a time. I use it for this and allergy flareups. I usually take about a year to go thru a bottle of it. I'll be back with the link. You're still in my prayers, and it looks like they're starting to work! YAAAA!Spifftopper2@... wrote: I've decided to not give up... keeping mood positive. So don't send theguys with the butterfly nets, yet, okay?I got a message back from the pharmacy, it gave the same instructions onwhat to do in response to the letter that the other person that got medsheld got... so that is encouraging.... The meds should be returned tothem, according to the information they gave me... they apologizedprofusely for the problem, stating that it does happen with a percentageof shipments and that as soon as the shipment is returned to them theywill resend... they also offered me a pretty significant discount on

mynext order.I'm still gonna be hopeful that it will work out. The draw back is theturn around time. I have to send the paperwork into customs and then theyhave to ship my package back to the pharmacy... I'm not sure what theturn around time will be... But I've been through a med shortage before..I know what to expect... I'll be pacing myself.Top priority will be to NOT overdo anything.... my recovery time onanything from over exertion to an actual injury is going to increase thelonger this stretches out... so you guys keep me in line, okay? I'mplanning on doing a lot of sit down work and keep everything else to aminimum... The temps here got to a tad over 100 degrees, by our thermometer... soit's toasty... the AC has been left on (amazingly) for the last couple ofdays and the house is holding a pretty steady temp... it's not been over80 for about 48 hours.. that has me feeling a LOT better.. I'm

not goodwith heat.. at even in the mid 70s I take it easy with any chores thatinvolve me being up and about.... But it's still too warm for goodsleeping.... that part doesn't help much... I haven't made a judgement call yet on what to do during this interimwhile I wait for my meds. I have a surplus of synthetic... but my bodyisn't real happy with it... what I need to decide... and I could use someextra input from you guys..... Even if the T4 mucks up my tendons....would I be better of with it, or without it, during this slack time? My head can't wrap around it... I'm too close, scared of consequencesfrom either choice... so your opinions will be of help.....Adding the synthetic back in to fill in the gabs with cutting my dose ofnatural down so far (I've cut it to 1/2 of what I've been taking, whichhad already been reduced while I waited to get things lined up to ordermeds to begin with... so right now I'm

on 1/3 my 'good' dose.... prettydrastic cut....Anyway.... would adding the synthetic (T4) back in, so that my systemwill be able to utilize at least some of it and slow the leaching processof my T4 stores outweigh the tendon issues?I can handle the limp and pain in that leg a LOT better than if my bodytotally craps and I end up needing crutches again...... so that partisn't the issue....The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep mybrain, mood and emotions in good order.I do have enough adrenal glandular to add back a small dose so that Idon't tax my adrenals and have to deal with that all over again.My fear for not adding the synthetic back in is that I'll have a gradualdecrease in stores (more than without) and that my conversion will dropand I'll go BIG TIME hypo and then not only have to deal with that buthave to deal with the weeks involved in getting my T4 storage

levels backup again..... ...each time I've gone through this in the past (that was when takingonly synthetics, under docs care) getting the dosage back up after aperiod of being reduced or without has been pretty bad.... I don't relishgoing through something like that again.Today, just to see what would happen, I chose not to take anything(thyroid). So, whether it's from that or just cuz of the FREAKOUT I hadyesterday (I'm talking a major shaking all over panic attack) I'm havingtrouble with eating.... it's just sitting in my gut and I'm feelinguncomfortable. I'm thinking it's a 'hangover' from the panic and not somuch the lack of dosing today. I will be taking a dose at bedtime... andthen tomorrow I'll be taking 3 half grain doses instead of the 6 thatI've been taking.... I will be using synthetic T3 if I slump in theafternoon... I may also just take an hour in the afternoon for a quiettime... just sit

back and listen to podcasts and not do anything else..that will give my body a chance to 'catch up' and rest.... Just to throw this in..... My period was due last Saturday... and hasn'tstarted yet.... Maybe it was my last one???? hope hope hope..... I'm now49, so it's time... and I've always had them when hypo, they only stoppedfor the years that I was hyper, up until I stormed..... So I don't thinkit's med related that it's late.. and it's not been this late in the lastfour years..... I have no idea if this is a Yahoo thing or not... but I just gotavalanched with group posts.... 768 of them to be exact... I'm stillsorting through them... I have about 300 left to go... I do getduplicates, I have two accounts set up now so that if one bounces I'llstill get posts through the other... but a good good many of them aredated from the beginning of this month, not sure where they've been, butI have them now... Anyway

that's why I decided to just post an update,otherwise I won't be finished going through them until some timetomorrow.Tomorrow is supposed to be hotter than today... and Sunday even hotter...so I don't know how much I'll be on the puters over the weekend... They've been running fine this afternoon I have the BIG house fan in thedoorway to the office blowing air through the room to push out the heatfrom the machines... but when the folks get home I'll have to turn itoff... it's so loud I can't hear the TV in here at all and its not thatmuch better out in the kitchen.. but for now the wind tunnel effect it'screating in here feels great! hehehehehe You guys would fall off yourchairs if you could see my shirt flapping on me right now... hair, in pigtails... still pulling away from my face in the wind... it's like typingon the roof of a pickup zooming down the road at 80 miles an hour!!!hehehehe I put on reading glasses

cuz my eyes were getting so dry fromthe wind.... Like wearing goggles in an old timey bi-plane orsomething...Okay.. that's about it.. I'm sending this off before I have to get offthe phone for the others to take their turn.. they should be back prettysoon now.. they just ran to town to take care of some errands..... Topper ()

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WOW.....at least things are starting to try to flow your way thankfully!!! To help with the cramps, can you try magnesium, has that ever helped? I've also got this stuff ( tastes AWFUL ) that I got from a woman that used to be a friend of mine and it's called KM. It's an herbal concoction and I take it when I get restless legs. I forgot that I had 'nanners in the fridge.....duh. It helped take away the restless and I was actually able to sleep. I'll have to see if I can find the link. I'm not sure what a bottle costs, she said she gave it to me at her cost which was $25. You only take 2T mixed in water at a time. I use it for this and allergy flareups. I usually take about a year to go thru a bottle of it. I'll be back with the link. You're still in my prayers, and it looks like they're starting to work! YAAAA!Spifftopper2@... wrote: I've decided to not give up... keeping mood positive. So don't send theguys with the butterfly nets, yet, okay?I got a message back from the pharmacy, it gave the same instructions onwhat to do in response to the letter that the other person that got medsheld got... so that is encouraging.... The meds should be returned tothem, according to the information they gave me... they apologizedprofusely for the problem, stating that it does happen with a percentageof shipments and that as soon as the shipment is returned to them theywill resend... they also offered me a pretty significant discount on

mynext order.I'm still gonna be hopeful that it will work out. The draw back is theturn around time. I have to send the paperwork into customs and then theyhave to ship my package back to the pharmacy... I'm not sure what theturn around time will be... But I've been through a med shortage before..I know what to expect... I'll be pacing myself.Top priority will be to NOT overdo anything.... my recovery time onanything from over exertion to an actual injury is going to increase thelonger this stretches out... so you guys keep me in line, okay? I'mplanning on doing a lot of sit down work and keep everything else to aminimum... The temps here got to a tad over 100 degrees, by our thermometer... soit's toasty... the AC has been left on (amazingly) for the last couple ofdays and the house is holding a pretty steady temp... it's not been over80 for about 48 hours.. that has me feeling a LOT better.. I'm

not goodwith heat.. at even in the mid 70s I take it easy with any chores thatinvolve me being up and about.... But it's still too warm for goodsleeping.... that part doesn't help much... I haven't made a judgement call yet on what to do during this interimwhile I wait for my meds. I have a surplus of synthetic... but my bodyisn't real happy with it... what I need to decide... and I could use someextra input from you guys..... Even if the T4 mucks up my tendons....would I be better of with it, or without it, during this slack time? My head can't wrap around it... I'm too close, scared of consequencesfrom either choice... so your opinions will be of help.....Adding the synthetic back in to fill in the gabs with cutting my dose ofnatural down so far (I've cut it to 1/2 of what I've been taking, whichhad already been reduced while I waited to get things lined up to ordermeds to begin with... so right now I'm

on 1/3 my 'good' dose.... prettydrastic cut....Anyway.... would adding the synthetic (T4) back in, so that my systemwill be able to utilize at least some of it and slow the leaching processof my T4 stores outweigh the tendon issues?I can handle the limp and pain in that leg a LOT better than if my bodytotally craps and I end up needing crutches again...... so that partisn't the issue....The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep mybrain, mood and emotions in good order.I do have enough adrenal glandular to add back a small dose so that Idon't tax my adrenals and have to deal with that all over again.My fear for not adding the synthetic back in is that I'll have a gradualdecrease in stores (more than without) and that my conversion will dropand I'll go BIG TIME hypo and then not only have to deal with that buthave to deal with the weeks involved in getting my T4 storage

levels backup again..... ...each time I've gone through this in the past (that was when takingonly synthetics, under docs care) getting the dosage back up after aperiod of being reduced or without has been pretty bad.... I don't relishgoing through something like that again.Today, just to see what would happen, I chose not to take anything(thyroid). So, whether it's from that or just cuz of the FREAKOUT I hadyesterday (I'm talking a major shaking all over panic attack) I'm havingtrouble with eating.... it's just sitting in my gut and I'm feelinguncomfortable. I'm thinking it's a 'hangover' from the panic and not somuch the lack of dosing today. I will be taking a dose at bedtime... andthen tomorrow I'll be taking 3 half grain doses instead of the 6 thatI've been taking.... I will be using synthetic T3 if I slump in theafternoon... I may also just take an hour in the afternoon for a quiettime... just sit

back and listen to podcasts and not do anything else..that will give my body a chance to 'catch up' and rest.... Just to throw this in..... My period was due last Saturday... and hasn'tstarted yet.... Maybe it was my last one???? hope hope hope..... I'm now49, so it's time... and I've always had them when hypo, they only stoppedfor the years that I was hyper, up until I stormed..... So I don't thinkit's med related that it's late.. and it's not been this late in the lastfour years..... I have no idea if this is a Yahoo thing or not... but I just gotavalanched with group posts.... 768 of them to be exact... I'm stillsorting through them... I have about 300 left to go... I do getduplicates, I have two accounts set up now so that if one bounces I'llstill get posts through the other... but a good good many of them aredated from the beginning of this month, not sure where they've been, butI have them now... Anyway

that's why I decided to just post an update,otherwise I won't be finished going through them until some timetomorrow.Tomorrow is supposed to be hotter than today... and Sunday even hotter...so I don't know how much I'll be on the puters over the weekend... They've been running fine this afternoon I have the BIG house fan in thedoorway to the office blowing air through the room to push out the heatfrom the machines... but when the folks get home I'll have to turn itoff... it's so loud I can't hear the TV in here at all and its not thatmuch better out in the kitchen.. but for now the wind tunnel effect it'screating in here feels great! hehehehehe You guys would fall off yourchairs if you could see my shirt flapping on me right now... hair, in pigtails... still pulling away from my face in the wind... it's like typingon the roof of a pickup zooming down the road at 80 miles an hour!!!hehehehe I put on reading glasses

cuz my eyes were getting so dry fromthe wind.... Like wearing goggles in an old timey bi-plane orsomething...Okay.. that's about it.. I'm sending this off before I have to get offthe phone for the others to take their turn.. they should be back prettysoon now.. they just ran to town to take care of some errands..... Topper ()

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WOW.....at least things are starting to try to flow your way thankfully!!! To help with the cramps, can you try magnesium, has that ever helped? I've also got this stuff ( tastes AWFUL ) that I got from a woman that used to be a friend of mine and it's called KM. It's an herbal concoction and I take it when I get restless legs. I forgot that I had 'nanners in the fridge.....duh. It helped take away the restless and I was actually able to sleep. I'll have to see if I can find the link. I'm not sure what a bottle costs, she said she gave it to me at her cost which was $25. You only take 2T mixed in water at a time. I use it for this and allergy flareups. I usually take about a year to go thru a bottle of it. I'll be back with the link. You're still in my prayers, and it looks like they're starting to work! YAAAA!Spifftopper2@... wrote: I've decided to not give up... keeping mood positive. So don't send theguys with the butterfly nets, yet, okay?I got a message back from the pharmacy, it gave the same instructions onwhat to do in response to the letter that the other person that got medsheld got... so that is encouraging.... The meds should be returned tothem, according to the information they gave me... they apologizedprofusely for the problem, stating that it does happen with a percentageof shipments and that as soon as the shipment is returned to them theywill resend... they also offered me a pretty significant discount on

mynext order.I'm still gonna be hopeful that it will work out. The draw back is theturn around time. I have to send the paperwork into customs and then theyhave to ship my package back to the pharmacy... I'm not sure what theturn around time will be... But I've been through a med shortage before..I know what to expect... I'll be pacing myself.Top priority will be to NOT overdo anything.... my recovery time onanything from over exertion to an actual injury is going to increase thelonger this stretches out... so you guys keep me in line, okay? I'mplanning on doing a lot of sit down work and keep everything else to aminimum... The temps here got to a tad over 100 degrees, by our thermometer... soit's toasty... the AC has been left on (amazingly) for the last couple ofdays and the house is holding a pretty steady temp... it's not been over80 for about 48 hours.. that has me feeling a LOT better.. I'm

not goodwith heat.. at even in the mid 70s I take it easy with any chores thatinvolve me being up and about.... But it's still too warm for goodsleeping.... that part doesn't help much... I haven't made a judgement call yet on what to do during this interimwhile I wait for my meds. I have a surplus of synthetic... but my bodyisn't real happy with it... what I need to decide... and I could use someextra input from you guys..... Even if the T4 mucks up my tendons....would I be better of with it, or without it, during this slack time? My head can't wrap around it... I'm too close, scared of consequencesfrom either choice... so your opinions will be of help.....Adding the synthetic back in to fill in the gabs with cutting my dose ofnatural down so far (I've cut it to 1/2 of what I've been taking, whichhad already been reduced while I waited to get things lined up to ordermeds to begin with... so right now I'm

on 1/3 my 'good' dose.... prettydrastic cut....Anyway.... would adding the synthetic (T4) back in, so that my systemwill be able to utilize at least some of it and slow the leaching processof my T4 stores outweigh the tendon issues?I can handle the limp and pain in that leg a LOT better than if my bodytotally craps and I end up needing crutches again...... so that partisn't the issue....The synthetic does work well enough (taking both T4 and T3) to keep mybrain, mood and emotions in good order.I do have enough adrenal glandular to add back a small dose so that Idon't tax my adrenals and have to deal with that all over again.My fear for not adding the synthetic back in is that I'll have a gradualdecrease in stores (more than without) and that my conversion will dropand I'll go BIG TIME hypo and then not only have to deal with that buthave to deal with the weeks involved in getting my T4 storage

levels backup again..... ...each time I've gone through this in the past (that was when takingonly synthetics, under docs care) getting the dosage back up after aperiod of being reduced or without has been pretty bad.... I don't relishgoing through something like that again.Today, just to see what would happen, I chose not to take anything(thyroid). So, whether it's from that or just cuz of the FREAKOUT I hadyesterday (I'm talking a major shaking all over panic attack) I'm havingtrouble with eating.... it's just sitting in my gut and I'm feelinguncomfortable. I'm thinking it's a 'hangover' from the panic and not somuch the lack of dosing today. I will be taking a dose at bedtime... andthen tomorrow I'll be taking 3 half grain doses instead of the 6 thatI've been taking.... I will be using synthetic T3 if I slump in theafternoon... I may also just take an hour in the afternoon for a quiettime... just sit

back and listen to podcasts and not do anything else..that will give my body a chance to 'catch up' and rest.... Just to throw this in..... My period was due last Saturday... and hasn'tstarted yet.... Maybe it was my last one???? hope hope hope..... I'm now49, so it's time... and I've always had them when hypo, they only stoppedfor the years that I was hyper, up until I stormed..... So I don't thinkit's med related that it's late.. and it's not been this late in the lastfour years..... I have no idea if this is a Yahoo thing or not... but I just gotavalanched with group posts.... 768 of them to be exact... I'm stillsorting through them... I have about 300 left to go... I do getduplicates, I have two accounts set up now so that if one bounces I'llstill get posts through the other... but a good good many of them aredated from the beginning of this month, not sure where they've been, butI have them now... Anyway

that's why I decided to just post an update,otherwise I won't be finished going through them until some timetomorrow.Tomorrow is supposed to be hotter than today... and Sunday even hotter...so I don't know how much I'll be on the puters over the weekend... They've been running fine this afternoon I have the BIG house fan in thedoorway to the office blowing air through the room to push out the heatfrom the machines... but when the folks get home I'll have to turn itoff... it's so loud I can't hear the TV in here at all and its not thatmuch better out in the kitchen.. but for now the wind tunnel effect it'screating in here feels great! hehehehehe You guys would fall off yourchairs if you could see my shirt flapping on me right now... hair, in pigtails... still pulling away from my face in the wind... it's like typingon the roof of a pickup zooming down the road at 80 miles an hour!!!hehehehe I put on reading glasses

cuz my eyes were getting so dry fromthe wind.... Like wearing goggles in an old timey bi-plane orsomething...Okay.. that's about it.. I'm sending this off before I have to get offthe phone for the others to take their turn.. they should be back prettysoon now.. they just ran to town to take care of some errands..... Topper ()

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Man I wish I was closer, I could cook you up a bunch of small meals in tupperwares and bring them over, that would help immensely. And do up any housework you may need done! Stuck in MT Spiffkats3boys wrote: it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not the same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic

T3 your body will use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for you. Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do not have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?Kats3boys

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Man I wish I was closer, I could cook you up a bunch of small meals in tupperwares and bring them over, that would help immensely. And do up any housework you may need done! Stuck in MT Spiffkats3boys wrote: it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not the same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic

T3 your body will use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for you. Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do not have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?Kats3boys

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I'm just so chicken to be going back on the T4... today I decided to skip

it... I'm a bit tired... and when it comes up to doing stuff that

involves being up and about... I just don't have a desire..... I dont'

know how much of that 'feeling' is real and how much I'm imagining into

it.... But so far I'm doing what I'd normally do... just a bit slower and

not multi-tasking so much....

Cooking doesn't bother that much... I just take it in stride... pace

myself.... I made a big pot of stew stuff for the weekend... something

that I can eat hot or cold.... And dropped down the portion sizes.... I

have to watch to not let it drop down too much, calorie wise... I don't

want to throw off my metabolism....

I have quite a few meals of stew type stuff down in the freezer.... stuff

that I've played around with to be eaten hot or cold.. that comes in

handy... I have a bunch of chocolate pudding down there too that I made

yesterday, did it the lazy way with my handy dandy high chair so I could

sit by the stove.... hehehehehe so I have deserty things... it's already

portioned and frozen... I did them about a third smaller (portion size)

that what I had been doing....

It sucks how quick my body reacts.... right now it's time to eat.. and I

just don't want to.... argghhhh

I didn't get the afternoon slumps/sleepies... so I didn't do any T3

yet... but if my tummy is still slow tomorrow I'll be adding some in just

to keep the body function good...

sigh... didn't figure that I'd have to refigure stuff...... hhehhe but, I

can't remember who mentioned it... E maybe? That this might be a chance

to get some new insight for how my body is doing with everything in flux

and trying new things.... Got to keep the mind focused on the positive

aspects and not so much on the bad stuff....

I got the letter sent off to Customs today... it was dropped right at the

post office and will go out on today's truck... so I got really lucky

with that, the timing it getting it run into town so quickly!

This morning started out a bit cooler than it has been.. there was a

storm front just north of us so the clouds were keeping the sun off us

for a few hours... I went out and played with the water hose for a while,

watering a hedge and a flower patch to keep things going until the rain

comes back, we've let the lawn go dormant... it will come back with the

rain... we're in severe drought here now...... So that was kinda nice...

playing in the water like a kid!!! heheheheh (which involved leaning

against a tree and 'accidently' back spraying myself and getting wet, but

hey..... I'm old.. that's playing!! heheheheh)

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:21:21 -0000 " kats3boys "

writes:

> it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

> it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not

> the

> same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

> good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

> use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

> Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for

> you.

> Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do

> not

> have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

>

> Kats3boys

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I'm just so chicken to be going back on the T4... today I decided to skip

it... I'm a bit tired... and when it comes up to doing stuff that

involves being up and about... I just don't have a desire..... I dont'

know how much of that 'feeling' is real and how much I'm imagining into

it.... But so far I'm doing what I'd normally do... just a bit slower and

not multi-tasking so much....

Cooking doesn't bother that much... I just take it in stride... pace

myself.... I made a big pot of stew stuff for the weekend... something

that I can eat hot or cold.... And dropped down the portion sizes.... I

have to watch to not let it drop down too much, calorie wise... I don't

want to throw off my metabolism....

I have quite a few meals of stew type stuff down in the freezer.... stuff

that I've played around with to be eaten hot or cold.. that comes in

handy... I have a bunch of chocolate pudding down there too that I made

yesterday, did it the lazy way with my handy dandy high chair so I could

sit by the stove.... hehehehehe so I have deserty things... it's already

portioned and frozen... I did them about a third smaller (portion size)

that what I had been doing....

It sucks how quick my body reacts.... right now it's time to eat.. and I

just don't want to.... argghhhh

I didn't get the afternoon slumps/sleepies... so I didn't do any T3

yet... but if my tummy is still slow tomorrow I'll be adding some in just

to keep the body function good...

sigh... didn't figure that I'd have to refigure stuff...... hhehhe but, I

can't remember who mentioned it... E maybe? That this might be a chance

to get some new insight for how my body is doing with everything in flux

and trying new things.... Got to keep the mind focused on the positive

aspects and not so much on the bad stuff....

I got the letter sent off to Customs today... it was dropped right at the

post office and will go out on today's truck... so I got really lucky

with that, the timing it getting it run into town so quickly!

This morning started out a bit cooler than it has been.. there was a

storm front just north of us so the clouds were keeping the sun off us

for a few hours... I went out and played with the water hose for a while,

watering a hedge and a flower patch to keep things going until the rain

comes back, we've let the lawn go dormant... it will come back with the

rain... we're in severe drought here now...... So that was kinda nice...

playing in the water like a kid!!! heheheheh (which involved leaning

against a tree and 'accidently' back spraying myself and getting wet, but

hey..... I'm old.. that's playing!! heheheheh)

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:21:21 -0000 " kats3boys "

writes:

> it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

> it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not

> the

> same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

> good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

> use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

> Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for

> you.

> Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do

> not

> have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

>

> Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

I'm just so chicken to be going back on the T4... today I decided to skip

it... I'm a bit tired... and when it comes up to doing stuff that

involves being up and about... I just don't have a desire..... I dont'

know how much of that 'feeling' is real and how much I'm imagining into

it.... But so far I'm doing what I'd normally do... just a bit slower and

not multi-tasking so much....

Cooking doesn't bother that much... I just take it in stride... pace

myself.... I made a big pot of stew stuff for the weekend... something

that I can eat hot or cold.... And dropped down the portion sizes.... I

have to watch to not let it drop down too much, calorie wise... I don't

want to throw off my metabolism....

I have quite a few meals of stew type stuff down in the freezer.... stuff

that I've played around with to be eaten hot or cold.. that comes in

handy... I have a bunch of chocolate pudding down there too that I made

yesterday, did it the lazy way with my handy dandy high chair so I could

sit by the stove.... hehehehehe so I have deserty things... it's already

portioned and frozen... I did them about a third smaller (portion size)

that what I had been doing....

It sucks how quick my body reacts.... right now it's time to eat.. and I

just don't want to.... argghhhh

I didn't get the afternoon slumps/sleepies... so I didn't do any T3

yet... but if my tummy is still slow tomorrow I'll be adding some in just

to keep the body function good...

sigh... didn't figure that I'd have to refigure stuff...... hhehhe but, I

can't remember who mentioned it... E maybe? That this might be a chance

to get some new insight for how my body is doing with everything in flux

and trying new things.... Got to keep the mind focused on the positive

aspects and not so much on the bad stuff....

I got the letter sent off to Customs today... it was dropped right at the

post office and will go out on today's truck... so I got really lucky

with that, the timing it getting it run into town so quickly!

This morning started out a bit cooler than it has been.. there was a

storm front just north of us so the clouds were keeping the sun off us

for a few hours... I went out and played with the water hose for a while,

watering a hedge and a flower patch to keep things going until the rain

comes back, we've let the lawn go dormant... it will come back with the

rain... we're in severe drought here now...... So that was kinda nice...

playing in the water like a kid!!! heheheheh (which involved leaning

against a tree and 'accidently' back spraying myself and getting wet, but

hey..... I'm old.. that's playing!! heheheheh)

Topper ()

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:21:21 -0000 " kats3boys "

writes:

> it is a tough call with the T4, I would think for now I would shelf

> it.. and maybe try replacing some doses with the synthetic T3..not

> the

> same and it will lower your T4 but not sure if T4 is doing you much

> good for anything anyways.At least with synthetic T3 your body will

> use it..not to the same degree but it will keep you going.

> Other than hurry up and get your meds I wish I had an answer for

> you.

> Do you have enough food in the freezer for mini meals that you do

> not

> have to be cooking on Fridays in this heat?

>

> Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Every little bit helps... keep the good vibes coming!!

*smile*

Topper ()

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Kathy Kitzcat writes:

Ok Topper, I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that things work out in the fastest way possible. )

[Guest guest]

Every little bit helps... keep the good vibes coming!!

*smile*

Topper ()

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Kathy Kitzcat writes:

Ok Topper, I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that things work out in the fastest way possible. )

[Guest guest]

The stuff that you're suggesting are gland stimulators... I don't have a gland to stimulate... but the adrenal will help..... and keeping stress in check is also going to help a LOT... the more stress, the more the hormones are thrown out of whack the more the lack of thyroid hormone is going to tell... and the more my body will be using it up to deal with stress instead of all the other stuff it needs to be doing....

Since I'm so used to dosing every few hours... I've decided to not let my 'internal body clock' for those dose times get out of whack... when that time roles around I get to stop whatever I"m doing and instead of reaching for a pill box I get to do something fun..... Be it to play a game of Tetris..... or to listen to part of one of the geeky podcasts that I've downloaded..... or to get up and walk around the house.... Just something.. anything.. to acknowledge the times that are ingrained in my brain without making it a reminder of what I'm supposed to be doing......

I may be weird... but it's letting me do a positive at that time mark instead of making it a negative....

So far... so good..... The fewer negatives I allow in... the better I'll do both physically and mentally.....

The hard part will be journalling and charting...... if my numbers start dropping.... if the symptoms come back.. that will be a HUGE negative... but the data I'll collect... it will be of value for later......

sigh....

I have fun with my hair in the heat... it's long... so it's hot.... I don't like the bother of braiding.... and it's too warm to pile on top of my head... so I do hair wraps... I've been doing them for something like ten or twelve years now..... I'm using a VERY pretty blue yarn for the wraps.... it may look dorky.. but it's cool, I can sleep in it... and it beats the heck out of sweaty wet hair!!! heheheheheh If you aren't familiar with hair wraps... it's like the leather wraps that some Indians used way back when... the hair is smoothed into a 'pig tail' on either side of the head and the length of leather, or in my case a colored yarn, is wrapped around the hair all the way down to the end and then I tie mine in a bow.... They are very comfortable to sleep in, so it's cooler sleeping too..... and easy to get out so very little damage to the hair, in fact less than if I were braiding it....

Topper ()

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes:

Topper:

It sounds like you are gonna have to get out the pill stretcher.

Buy some kelpy, bladderwrack..licorice herb pills from local supplement store for five bucks (they activate thyroid hormone and STRETCH it). Do take some synthetic t4...(just enough to keep light tendon pain)... Do take some syntethic t3 to fill in the gaps later in the day..maybe your last two doses or something... Take that adrenal med you have..(It will also aid in stretching..). Try to keep your diet going as smoothly as possible...take plenty of showers...relax a lot, sit in the sunshine a little if possible and sing to yourself. Keep expecting it to all work out.. (maybe in the end..you will learn something really helpful about your protocol that you didn't know before.

Soon you will be sitting all pretty again!!! Pigtails...crown and all!

[Guest guest]

The stuff that you're suggesting are gland stimulators... I don't have a gland to stimulate... but the adrenal will help..... and keeping stress in check is also going to help a LOT... the more stress, the more the hormones are thrown out of whack the more the lack of thyroid hormone is going to tell... and the more my body will be using it up to deal with stress instead of all the other stuff it needs to be doing....

Since I'm so used to dosing every few hours... I've decided to not let my 'internal body clock' for those dose times get out of whack... when that time roles around I get to stop whatever I"m doing and instead of reaching for a pill box I get to do something fun..... Be it to play a game of Tetris..... or to listen to part of one of the geeky podcasts that I've downloaded..... or to get up and walk around the house.... Just something.. anything.. to acknowledge the times that are ingrained in my brain without making it a reminder of what I'm supposed to be doing......

I may be weird... but it's letting me do a positive at that time mark instead of making it a negative....

So far... so good..... The fewer negatives I allow in... the better I'll do both physically and mentally.....

The hard part will be journalling and charting...... if my numbers start dropping.... if the symptoms come back.. that will be a HUGE negative... but the data I'll collect... it will be of value for later......

sigh....

I have fun with my hair in the heat... it's long... so it's hot.... I don't like the bother of braiding.... and it's too warm to pile on top of my head... so I do hair wraps... I've been doing them for something like ten or twelve years now..... I'm using a VERY pretty blue yarn for the wraps.... it may look dorky.. but it's cool, I can sleep in it... and it beats the heck out of sweaty wet hair!!! heheheheheh If you aren't familiar with hair wraps... it's like the leather wraps that some Indians used way back when... the hair is smoothed into a 'pig tail' on either side of the head and the length of leather, or in my case a colored yarn, is wrapped around the hair all the way down to the end and then I tie mine in a bow.... They are very comfortable to sleep in, so it's cooler sleeping too..... and easy to get out so very little damage to the hair, in fact less than if I were braiding it....

Topper ()

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes:

Topper:

It sounds like you are gonna have to get out the pill stretcher.

Buy some kelpy, bladderwrack..licorice herb pills from local supplement store for five bucks (they activate thyroid hormone and STRETCH it). Do take some synthetic t4...(just enough to keep light tendon pain)... Do take some syntethic t3 to fill in the gaps later in the day..maybe your last two doses or something... Take that adrenal med you have..(It will also aid in stretching..). Try to keep your diet going as smoothly as possible...take plenty of showers...relax a lot, sit in the sunshine a little if possible and sing to yourself. Keep expecting it to all work out.. (maybe in the end..you will learn something really helpful about your protocol that you didn't know before.

Soon you will be sitting all pretty again!!! Pigtails...crown and all!

[Guest guest]

The stuff that you're suggesting are gland stimulators... I don't have a gland to stimulate... but the adrenal will help..... and keeping stress in check is also going to help a LOT... the more stress, the more the hormones are thrown out of whack the more the lack of thyroid hormone is going to tell... and the more my body will be using it up to deal with stress instead of all the other stuff it needs to be doing....

Since I'm so used to dosing every few hours... I've decided to not let my 'internal body clock' for those dose times get out of whack... when that time roles around I get to stop whatever I"m doing and instead of reaching for a pill box I get to do something fun..... Be it to play a game of Tetris..... or to listen to part of one of the geeky podcasts that I've downloaded..... or to get up and walk around the house.... Just something.. anything.. to acknowledge the times that are ingrained in my brain without making it a reminder of what I'm supposed to be doing......

I may be weird... but it's letting me do a positive at that time mark instead of making it a negative....

So far... so good..... The fewer negatives I allow in... the better I'll do both physically and mentally.....

The hard part will be journalling and charting...... if my numbers start dropping.... if the symptoms come back.. that will be a HUGE negative... but the data I'll collect... it will be of value for later......

sigh....

I have fun with my hair in the heat... it's long... so it's hot.... I don't like the bother of braiding.... and it's too warm to pile on top of my head... so I do hair wraps... I've been doing them for something like ten or twelve years now..... I'm using a VERY pretty blue yarn for the wraps.... it may look dorky.. but it's cool, I can sleep in it... and it beats the heck out of sweaty wet hair!!! heheheheheh If you aren't familiar with hair wraps... it's like the leather wraps that some Indians used way back when... the hair is smoothed into a 'pig tail' on either side of the head and the length of leather, or in my case a colored yarn, is wrapped around the hair all the way down to the end and then I tie mine in a bow.... They are very comfortable to sleep in, so it's cooler sleeping too..... and easy to get out so very little damage to the hair, in fact less than if I were braiding it....

Topper ()

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes:

Topper:

It sounds like you are gonna have to get out the pill stretcher.

Buy some kelpy, bladderwrack..licorice herb pills from local supplement store for five bucks (they activate thyroid hormone and STRETCH it). Do take some synthetic t4...(just enough to keep light tendon pain)... Do take some syntethic t3 to fill in the gaps later in the day..maybe your last two doses or something... Take that adrenal med you have..(It will also aid in stretching..). Try to keep your diet going as smoothly as possible...take plenty of showers...relax a lot, sit in the sunshine a little if possible and sing to yourself. Keep expecting it to all work out.. (maybe in the end..you will learn something really helpful about your protocol that you didn't know before.

Soon you will be sitting all pretty again!!! Pigtails...crown and all!

[Guest guest]

Two things come to my Dear Lady of the pigtails: I know that the bladderwrack kelpy stuff is often times referred to as "gland" stimulators because in most cases people do have a gland. It is my experience..(could be wrong) that many people take them get an actual increase the "activity" of whatever thryoid hormone you have on board. I've seen bloodwork jump 5 points on the t4 scale when taking adaptogens (maca, ginseng, licorice root, bladderwracky stuff...and such), and this with folks who had TT's. Maybe you found that you already tried this angle and didn't work for you??? One this has been clear to me, not all of this stuff is really created equal. I have bought some supplements that don't agree with me in the least! The last time I got well...I took a herbal mixture supplement and

I was doing really well. I've begun to think this stuff may actually help "push" the thryoid hormone into the thryoid receptors more efficiently, and for the last year, this may be what I've been missing from my protocol. It seems to "zip" up the activity of the thryoid hormone quite a bit. Five minuetes after I took one a this afternoon...I actually felt warmth coursing through me... Maybe its my imagination... I did see you mentioned that you have ZERO cash too..so I guess you won't be able to explore this as a possibility EVEN if you wanted to right now. I was interested to know if you noticed on which dose of the t4 addition, did you find the tendon pain showing itself? I have terrible tightness and tendon pain if I'm over 58 mcgs. I recenlty reduced it from 62.5 and it was like someone taking me out of a straightjacket. Did you find a

similar situation? ~E:) . topper2@... wrote: The stuff that you're suggesting are gland stimulators... I don't have a gland to stimulate... but the adrenal will help..... and keeping stress in check is also

going to help a LOT... the more stress, the more the hormones are thrown out of whack the more the lack of thyroid hormone is going to tell... and the more my body will be using it up to deal with stress instead of all the other stuff it needs to be doing.... Since I'm so used to dosing every few hours... I've decided to not let my 'internal body clock' for those dose times get out of whack... when that time roles around I get to stop whatever I"m doing and instead of reaching for a pill box I get to do something fun..... Be it to play a game of Tetris..... or to listen to part of one of the geeky podcasts that I've downloaded..... or to get up and walk around the house.... Just something.. anything.. to acknowledge the times that are ingrained in my brain without making it a reminder of what I'm supposed to be doing...... I may be weird... but it's letting me do a positive at that time mark instead

of making it a negative.... So far... so good..... The fewer negatives I allow in... the better I'll do both physically and mentally..... The hard part will be journalling and charting...... if my numbers start dropping.... if the symptoms come back.. that will be a HUGE negative... but the data I'll collect... it will be of value for later...... sigh.... I have fun with my hair in the heat... it's long... so it's hot.... I don't like the bother of braiding.... and it's too warm to pile on top of my head... so I do hair wraps... I've been doing them for something like ten or twelve years now..... I'm using a VERY pretty blue yarn for the wraps.... it may look dorky.. but it's cool, I can sleep in it... and it beats the heck out of sweaty wet hair!!! heheheheheh If you aren't familiar with hair wraps... it's like the

leather wraps that some Indians used way back when... the hair is smoothed into a 'pig tail' on either side of the head and the length of leather, or in my case a colored yarn, is wrapped around the hair all the way down to the end and then I tie mine in a bow.... They are very comfortable to sleep in, so it's cooler sleeping too..... and easy to get out so very little damage to the hair, in fact less than if I were braiding it.... Topper () On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie <lyongillespie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes: Topper: It sounds like you are gonna have to get out the pill stretcher. Buy some kelpy,

bladderwrack..licorice herb pills from local supplement store for five bucks (they activate thyroid hormone and STRETCH it). Do take some synthetic t4...(just enough to keep light tendon pain)... Do take some syntethic t3 to fill in the gaps later in the day..maybe your last two doses or something... Take that adrenal med you have..(It will also aid in stretching..). Try to keep your diet going as smoothly as possible...take plenty of showers...relax a lot, sit in the sunshine a little if possible and sing to yourself. Keep expecting it to all work out.. (maybe in the end..you will learn something really helpful about your protocol that you didn't know before. Soon you will be sitting all pretty again!!! Pigtails...crown and all! ~EG Connecticut T-T 26 months ago - 57.98 mcg Synthetic plus 120 mg Armour = 205.98 mcgs...RATIO: 87 % T4 / 13% T3

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It looks like you've got things well in hand, that helps alot! It'd still be nice to have somebody to just bring by a hotdish and b.s. for a bit tho........ Take it easy! Spifftopper2@... wrote: Such a sweetie to offer.... Spiff..... I LOVE cooking and baking... I will just be taking it easy... to make sure that I don't over do. I've been mini mealing for a couple (maybe three) years now... so I've got it down pat... I cook

two to three times a week, and during the summer, when it's hot, bake only on the cooler days or when my stash of bread/buns is depleted... I do most all of it in big batches, and then I'm set for a few days.... I did a big pot of really yummy 'stew stuff' during Friday's cooking... it can be eaten hot or cold.... What I'm doing now to ease up on my tummy... it's still not happy... is that I've cut down my portions a bit more... but I'm NOT going to be skipping any meals.. that will reduce my conversion.. and I'll start gaining again... not to mention that energy levels drop, especially for us, when we don't eat regularly.... On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DerSpiff <mzspiff (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes: Man I wish I was closer, I could cook you up a bunch of small meals

in tupperwares and bring them over, that would help immensely. And do up any housework you may need done! Stuck in MT Spiff

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It looks like you've got things well in hand, that helps alot! It'd still be nice to have somebody to just bring by a hotdish and b.s. for a bit tho........ Take it easy! Spifftopper2@... wrote: Such a sweetie to offer.... Spiff..... I LOVE cooking and baking... I will just be taking it easy... to make sure that I don't over do. I've been mini mealing for a couple (maybe three) years now... so I've got it down pat... I cook

two to three times a week, and during the summer, when it's hot, bake only on the cooler days or when my stash of bread/buns is depleted... I do most all of it in big batches, and then I'm set for a few days.... I did a big pot of really yummy 'stew stuff' during Friday's cooking... it can be eaten hot or cold.... What I'm doing now to ease up on my tummy... it's still not happy... is that I've cut down my portions a bit more... but I'm NOT going to be skipping any meals.. that will reduce my conversion.. and I'll start gaining again... not to mention that energy levels drop, especially for us, when we don't eat regularly.... On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DerSpiff <mzspiff (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes: Man I wish I was closer, I could cook you up a bunch of small meals

in tupperwares and bring them over, that would help immensely. And do up any housework you may need done! Stuck in MT Spiff

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It looks like you've got things well in hand, that helps alot! It'd still be nice to have somebody to just bring by a hotdish and b.s. for a bit tho........ Take it easy! Spifftopper2@... wrote: Such a sweetie to offer.... Spiff..... I LOVE cooking and baking... I will just be taking it easy... to make sure that I don't over do. I've been mini mealing for a couple (maybe three) years now... so I've got it down pat... I cook

two to three times a week, and during the summer, when it's hot, bake only on the cooler days or when my stash of bread/buns is depleted... I do most all of it in big batches, and then I'm set for a few days.... I did a big pot of really yummy 'stew stuff' during Friday's cooking... it can be eaten hot or cold.... What I'm doing now to ease up on my tummy... it's still not happy... is that I've cut down my portions a bit more... but I'm NOT going to be skipping any meals.. that will reduce my conversion.. and I'll start gaining again... not to mention that energy levels drop, especially for us, when we don't eat regularly.... On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DerSpiff <mzspiff (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes: Man I wish I was closer, I could cook you up a bunch of small meals

in tupperwares and bring them over, that would help immensely. And do up any housework you may need done! Stuck in MT Spiff

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