Re: Protein Shakes

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Re: Re: protein shakes

The nondairy creamer I use says " Sugars O g " .

- so far I haven't had any luck finding a 0 gram of sugar nondairy

creamer. What brand do you use and where do you buy it?

Thanks,

Rose

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Re: Re: protein shakes

The nondairy creamer I use says " Sugars O g " .

- so far I haven't had any luck finding a 0 gram of sugar nondairy

creamer. What brand do you use and where do you buy it?

Thanks,

Rose

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Re: Re: protein shakes

The nondairy creamer I use says " Sugars O g " .

- so far I haven't had any luck finding a 0 gram of sugar nondairy

creamer. What brand do you use and where do you buy it?

Thanks,

Rose

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It is called Member`s Mark Extra Rich , and is also available at Sam`s

Club,i just looked i also have it thank you , i think it`s pretty good

71160@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/12/2003 2:00:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> laura.rose3@... writes:

>

> > - so far I haven't had any luck finding a 0 gram of sugar

> nondairy

> > creamer. What brand do you use and where do you buy it?

> > Thanks,

> > Rose

> >

>

> I buy it at Wal-Mart. It's Non-Dairy Creamer. Runs about 2 bucks

>

> 1 tsp - .5 g fat

> 0 g sat fat

> Cholesterol 0 mg

> Sodium 0 mg

> Potassium 20 mg

> Carbs 1 g

> Sugars 0 gram

> Protein o gram

> Calories 10 cals

>

>

>

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Unfortunately doctors are GREAT cutters but not nutritionists.

Listen to those long termies, , me and others lol. We drink protein

shakes - 5 to 7 a day, and have not gained an ounce... unless we hit the

sugar, milk and/or cookies (peeps in 's case). I only gained some

weight when I STOPPED doing the shakes and over a year period of time, I

gained it, got flabby, fatigued, no strength. Your body needs the shakes. I

went from 200 calories a day when I was sick to about 1300 a day with the

shakes, and I LOST weight... protein puts you in ketosis, which burns fat.

that's all I can understand about it. Besides the fact I feel WONDERFUL now!

Or at least getting there.

Our bodies already are going on less food, less calories. The shakes we use

the PROTEIN from, that is absorbed into our muscles and what we need for

survival. I went off shakes and crashed and ended up off work for 15 weeks

due to anemia and protein malnutrition... my friend ended up in the hospital

with IVs coming out of everywhere. It's not pretty.

Hugs,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/52

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately doctors are GREAT cutters but not nutritionists.

Listen to those long termies, , me and others lol. We drink protein

shakes - 5 to 7 a day, and have not gained an ounce... unless we hit the

sugar, milk and/or cookies (peeps in 's case). I only gained some

weight when I STOPPED doing the shakes and over a year period of time, I

gained it, got flabby, fatigued, no strength. Your body needs the shakes. I

went from 200 calories a day when I was sick to about 1300 a day with the

shakes, and I LOST weight... protein puts you in ketosis, which burns fat.

that's all I can understand about it. Besides the fact I feel WONDERFUL now!

Or at least getting there.

Our bodies already are going on less food, less calories. The shakes we use

the PROTEIN from, that is absorbed into our muscles and what we need for

survival. I went off shakes and crashed and ended up off work for 15 weeks

due to anemia and protein malnutrition... my friend ended up in the hospital

with IVs coming out of everywhere. It's not pretty.

Hugs,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/52

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately doctors are GREAT cutters but not nutritionists.

Listen to those long termies, , me and others lol. We drink protein

shakes - 5 to 7 a day, and have not gained an ounce... unless we hit the

sugar, milk and/or cookies (peeps in 's case). I only gained some

weight when I STOPPED doing the shakes and over a year period of time, I

gained it, got flabby, fatigued, no strength. Your body needs the shakes. I

went from 200 calories a day when I was sick to about 1300 a day with the

shakes, and I LOST weight... protein puts you in ketosis, which burns fat.

that's all I can understand about it. Besides the fact I feel WONDERFUL now!

Or at least getting there.

Our bodies already are going on less food, less calories. The shakes we use

the PROTEIN from, that is absorbed into our muscles and what we need for

survival. I went off shakes and crashed and ended up off work for 15 weeks

due to anemia and protein malnutrition... my friend ended up in the hospital

with IVs coming out of everywhere. It's not pretty.

Hugs,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/52

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A lot of docs say that about the protein drinks. You do have to watch and read

labels. Anything that Vitalady sells you can trust that it will be low in sugar

and she will tell you how much to mix in one drink to make 30 grams of protein

at a time. That's the max we can absorb at one time. If you aren't able to eat

much, drinking protein is the only way you're gonna get in what you need to feel

healthy and energized. Try them, like 2-3 a day and see if it doesn't help.

You may find that your weight loss speeds up as well. If they don't work for

you, and I'd be really surprised if they didn't, then let us know. Maybe we can

help you figure out why they're not helping you. Take care.

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

[Guest guest]

A lot of docs say that about the protein drinks. You do have to watch and read

labels. Anything that Vitalady sells you can trust that it will be low in sugar

and she will tell you how much to mix in one drink to make 30 grams of protein

at a time. That's the max we can absorb at one time. If you aren't able to eat

much, drinking protein is the only way you're gonna get in what you need to feel

healthy and energized. Try them, like 2-3 a day and see if it doesn't help.

You may find that your weight loss speeds up as well. If they don't work for

you, and I'd be really surprised if they didn't, then let us know. Maybe we can

help you figure out why they're not helping you. Take care.

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'7 " - 314/218/150-175

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Better to drink every day, at least 2, very min. Made with water, though, not

milk

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Protein Shakes

My doctor tells me not to drink the protein shakes because they have

calories but that seems like the total opposite of what I see and

hear from other people. I have bought some of the protein powder but

I don't drink every day. Is this bad?

[Guest guest]

> My doctor tells me not to drink the protein shakes because they have

calories but that seems like the total opposite of what I see and

hear from other people. I have bought some of the protein powder but

I don't drink every day. Is this bad?<<<

I think the general concensus is that most surgeons are great at

doing what they are trained to do - this complex and life changing

surgery. However, and that's a big however, they are not experts in

nutrition and especially not in nutrition for wls post ops. In fact,

most nutritionista and registered dieticians don't really know what

we need - not much is taught in their programs about it.

I just talked to a young man who has his degree in nutrition, has

gone through his internships, and is getting ready to take the exam

to become a registered dietician. He told me that they " touched on "

nutrition after wls in one of his classes. He said they were told

that we malabsorb protein and some of the vitamins and minerals. He

did not learn how we should compensate for this except that we should

be taking vitamin and mineral supplements. He had no clue that it

should be different depending on whether we are distal or proximal or

somewhere in between or that everyone with the surgery will need

something other than just one multivitamin and a tums. He did not

know that we need calcium citrate rather than other forms of calcium.

And while he was aware that we should be getting at least 60 grams of

protein a day (again not considering the length of our common

channels), he hadn't thought about how difficult it is to get that

amount in by food alone, much less that fact that we don't absorb

nearly all the food protein we take in. He was wanting to come and

talk to our wls support group in town. We told him that he needs to

do allot more research before he is ready to speak to our group

because he didn't have the answers to the questions we knew our group

would bring up.

The protein shakes aren't just empty calories. The good ones (blended

whey proteins that are low carb and low sugar) are pre-digested

proteins that our altered systems absorb more readily. Our muscles,

including major ones like our heart, must have protein to operate

effectively and efficiently. Because it is pre-digested, the protein

shake can go directly into nourishing our muscles. Food protein must

be broken down by the body's digestion - something we don't do very

well at all any more - before it can be used by our muscles. If you

drink the shakes mixed with just water and ice (not milk or fruit

other things that contain sugar) there is little chance of those

calories causing us to gain weight or to slow our loss.

So, rather than saying it is 'bad' or 'good,' you need to do your own

research and decide what's best for you. I look to those who are many

years out for their experience and wisdom. Many have gained that

wisdom through trial and error that cost them their health at times.

They now try to help us avoid the problems they had from lack of

solid advice when they had their surgeries. I want to learn from them

and not have the same nutritional problems that many suffered with as

they were learning. So, I know that for me, even if my surgeon tried

to persuade me not to drink my shakes, I would continue to use the

shakes because I want to stay healthy and truly believe that this is

the way to do that.

Often, I hear people who don't do the protein shakes and/or adequate

vitamin and mineral supplements say, " I'm doing fine. My last labs

were good. So I don't want or need to follow that advice. " Well, I

have read about B.'s battle to regain her health after not

supplementing properly. And and Don's (vitalady and vitaguy)

problems with osteoporosis. And the " gray ghosts " that I see at the

doctor's office who say they don't do anything but eat. People may

feel great for awhile without supplements and their labs may even

look good for awhile, but I believe that they will eventually crash,

just like others have. So I think that it only makes sense to do what

it takes to keep myself healthy. After all, that's why I had this

surgery in the first place - to regain and keep my health.

There is a yahoo group that focus on Protein. You can find it at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ossg-Protein . You might want to join

that to learn more about the protein shake issue.

Best of luck in your journey.

Sheri

In Sunny Florida

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Um, have this baby RD come to your group and LISTEN.

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Re: Protein Shakes

> My doctor tells me not to drink the protein shakes because they have

calories but that seems like the total opposite of what I see and

hear from other people. I have bought some of the protein powder but

I don't drink every day. Is this bad?<<<

I think the general concensus is that most surgeons are great at

doing what they are trained to do - this complex and life changing

surgery. However, and that's a big however, they are not experts in

nutrition and especially not in nutrition for wls post ops. In fact,

most nutritionista and registered dieticians don't really know what

we need - not much is taught in their programs about it.

I just talked to a young man who has his degree in nutrition, has

gone through his internships, and is getting ready to take the exam

to become a registered dietician. He told me that they " touched on "

nutrition after wls in one of his classes. He said they were told

that we malabsorb protein and some of the vitamins and minerals. He

did not learn how we should compensate for this except that we should

be taking vitamin and mineral supplements. He had no clue that it

should be different depending on whether we are distal or proximal or

somewhere in between or that everyone with the surgery will need

something other than just one multivitamin and a tums. He did not

know that we need calcium citrate rather than other forms of calcium.

And while he was aware that we should be getting at least 60 grams of

protein a day (again not considering the length of our common

channels), he hadn't thought about how difficult it is to get that

amount in by food alone, much less that fact that we don't absorb

nearly all the food protein we take in. He was wanting to come and

talk to our wls support group in town. We told him that he needs to

do allot more research before he is ready to speak to our group

because he didn't have the answers to the questions we knew our group

would bring up.

The protein shakes aren't just empty calories. The good ones (blended

whey proteins that are low carb and low sugar) are pre-digested

proteins that our altered systems absorb more readily. Our muscles,

including major ones like our heart, must have protein to operate

effectively and efficiently. Because it is pre-digested, the protein

shake can go directly into nourishing our muscles. Food protein must

be broken down by the body's digestion - something we don't do very

well at all any more - before it can be used by our muscles. If you

drink the shakes mixed with just water and ice (not milk or fruit

other things that contain sugar) there is little chance of those

calories causing us to gain weight or to slow our loss.

So, rather than saying it is 'bad' or 'good,' you need to do your own

research and decide what's best for you. I look to those who are many

years out for their experience and wisdom. Many have gained that

wisdom through trial and error that cost them their health at times.

They now try to help us avoid the problems they had from lack of

solid advice when they had their surgeries. I want to learn from them

and not have the same nutritional problems that many suffered with as

they were learning. So, I know that for me, even if my surgeon tried

to persuade me not to drink my shakes, I would continue to use the

shakes because I want to stay healthy and truly believe that this is

the way to do that.

Often, I hear people who don't do the protein shakes and/or adequate

vitamin and mineral supplements say, " I'm doing fine. My last labs

were good. So I don't want or need to follow that advice. " Well, I

have read about B.'s battle to regain her health after not

supplementing properly. And and Don's (vitalady and vitaguy)

problems with osteoporosis. And the " gray ghosts " that I see at the

doctor's office who say they don't do anything but eat. People may

feel great for awhile without supplements and their labs may even

look good for awhile, but I believe that they will eventually crash,

just like others have. So I think that it only makes sense to do what

it takes to keep myself healthy. After all, that's why I had this

surgery in the first place - to regain and keep my health.

There is a yahoo group that focus on Protein. You can find it at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ossg-Protein . You might want to join

that to learn more about the protein shake issue.

Best of luck in your journey.

Sheri

In Sunny Florida

[Guest guest]

> Um, have this baby RD come to your group and LISTEN. <<<

I think he's scared to come now. He had an " associate " with him, a

nice older lady who runs a family fitness center in Tarpon Springs.

They are representing Isotonics. Not sure why she came along, but she

rescued him several times when he dug himself a hole. I had him look

over my labs and asked him what he would recommend. All he could come

up with was to take antioxidants. I even had to point out my ferritin

level of 12, and he still didn't know what to say. At least the woman

said that he needed to do lots of research before he came to speak TO

us. You are right. I should invite him to come and LISTEN. Maybe I

could get him trained. LOL

Sheri

In Sunny FL

[Guest guest]

> Um, have this baby RD come to your group and LISTEN. <<<

I think he's scared to come now. He had an " associate " with him, a

nice older lady who runs a family fitness center in Tarpon Springs.

They are representing Isotonics. Not sure why she came along, but she

rescued him several times when he dug himself a hole. I had him look

over my labs and asked him what he would recommend. All he could come

up with was to take antioxidants. I even had to point out my ferritin

level of 12, and he still didn't know what to say. At least the woman

said that he needed to do lots of research before he came to speak TO

us. You are right. I should invite him to come and LISTEN. Maybe I

could get him trained. LOL

Sheri

In Sunny FL

[Guest guest]

I would like to hear what you all think about the difference between protein

shakes, and yogurt or aby food meats or eggs as protein sources that are soft

foods.