Re: Eczema -- Muscle weakness

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I wonder if your body isn't just working out some of its accumulated poisons in this manner. If that is it, surely once it feels purified the sores will end. Are you getting enough Vitamin C? There are other weight training types on the list who can answer for you husband's weakness. I hope it just takes care of itself before too long, hang in there,

Marty

-----Original Message-----From: brittgower@... Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 05:58To: Atkins_Support_List Subject: Eczema -- Muscle weakness

O.k. this diet is having some bad side effects on dh and I. My bad side effect is sever eczema/psoriasis. Within a week of starting this diet (so about three or so weeks ago) I started getting sores popping up. First it was just a couple, but now it is MANY. They are big, red and itchy

The second bad side effect is for DH. He is finding his muscles are much weaker. He lifts weights after work each night and the other night he came home ready to quit this WOE because he is not getting stronger, but weaker. A few co-workers that did this WOE for a while found the same problem. How do you remedy this? Should he be eating more? Less? Are there certain supplements he needs? What (if any) experience have you had with this.

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I wonder if your body isn't just working out some of its accumulated poisons in this manner. If that is it, surely once it feels purified the sores will end. Are you getting enough Vitamin C? There are other weight training types on the list who can answer for you husband's weakness. I hope it just takes care of itself before too long, hang in there,

Marty

-----Original Message-----From: brittgower@... Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 05:58To: Atkins_Support_List Subject: Eczema -- Muscle weakness

O.k. this diet is having some bad side effects on dh and I. My bad side effect is sever eczema/psoriasis. Within a week of starting this diet (so about three or so weeks ago) I started getting sores popping up. First it was just a couple, but now it is MANY. They are big, red and itchy

The second bad side effect is for DH. He is finding his muscles are much weaker. He lifts weights after work each night and the other night he came home ready to quit this WOE because he is not getting stronger, but weaker. A few co-workers that did this WOE for a while found the same problem. How do you remedy this? Should he be eating more? Less? Are there certain supplements he needs? What (if any) experience have you had with this.

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I wonder if your body isn't just working out some of its accumulated poisons in this manner. If that is it, surely once it feels purified the sores will end. Are you getting enough Vitamin C? There are other weight training types on the list who can answer for you husband's weakness. I hope it just takes care of itself before too long, hang in there,

Marty

-----Original Message-----From: brittgower@... Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 05:58To: Atkins_Support_List Subject: Eczema -- Muscle weakness

O.k. this diet is having some bad side effects on dh and I. My bad side effect is sever eczema/psoriasis. Within a week of starting this diet (so about three or so weeks ago) I started getting sores popping up. First it was just a couple, but now it is MANY. They are big, red and itchy

The second bad side effect is for DH. He is finding his muscles are much weaker. He lifts weights after work each night and the other night he came home ready to quit this WOE because he is not getting stronger, but weaker. A few co-workers that did this WOE for a while found the same problem. How do you remedy this? Should he be eating more? Less? Are there certain supplements he needs? What (if any) experience have you had with this.

[Guest guest]

have you read the book /? there are an endless list of supplements you need

minerals and l-carnitine will help you will feel weak if you arent taking

supplements

i lift weights and except for induction i have no problems with my strength

i have never heard of your problem i would call the atkins center and ask

that one .

catherine

[Guest guest]

have you read the book /? there are an endless list of supplements you need

minerals and l-carnitine will help you will feel weak if you arent taking

supplements

i lift weights and except for induction i have no problems with my strength

i have never heard of your problem i would call the atkins center and ask

that one .

catherine

[Guest guest]

have you read the book /? there are an endless list of supplements you need

minerals and l-carnitine will help you will feel weak if you arent taking

supplements

i lift weights and except for induction i have no problems with my strength

i have never heard of your problem i would call the atkins center and ask

that one .

catherine

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I've struggled with eczema most of my life. I am sensitive to many

chemical substances, including most perfumes and many cleaning

products. Although you've never had the problem before, it could

still be the result of something other than this WOE, or only

indirectly the result of the WOE - a specific food allergy rather

than a general reaction to ketosis. Allergies and sensitivities tend

to develop with exposure. For example, if you are eating a lot of

eggs, and never ate many before, you could have become sensitized

over the last several weeks and are just now reacting.

In my case, the skin problems are better, not worse, with this WOE.

Hydrocortisone cream (not a steroid) and drinking lots of water help

for me. You might also try reducing your consumption of typical

allergens like dairy (especially if under this WOE you consume much

more than you did before) and see if that helps.

Strength training is a different issue. A lot depends on the specific

program he follows. As a preliminary step in going into ketosis, the

body eliminates the glycogen in the liver and muscles. That glycogen

provides ready energy to the muscles under certain conditions. The

loss of that energy source does interfere with performance in certain

types of weight training programs. This does not mean that he is

getting weaker, but it can seem that way.

There are several ways to address this problem, which will most

probably disappear in several months as his body adjusts. He can

alter his program to emphasize short duration, high intensity OR very

long duration, low intensity rather than medium duration, moderate

intensity exercise - 1 set, 5-8 reps per muscle groups of very high

weight OR 4-5 sets, 15-20 reps of very low weight rather than 3 sets

8-12 reps of moderate weights. These plans reduce the need for

glycogen to sustain performance. If he doesn't need to lose weight,

or only lose a little, he can up his carbs to stay out of ketosis -

just make sure that none of those carbs are simple sugars or refined

flours. As an alternative, he could " carb up " once a week and alter

his program to put glycogen-using workouts at the beginning of the

week and aerobic workouts toward the end, ala Body Opus.

> O.k. this diet is having some bad side effects on dh and I. My bad

> side effect is sever eczema/psoriasis. Within a week of starting

> this diet (so about three or so weeks ago) I started getting sores

> popping up. First it was just a couple, but now it is MANY. They

> are big, red and itchy. Doctor did some scrapings and determined

> they weren't fungal. I have NO doubt they are from this diet. I

> have never had anything like this before. I have read that severe

> acidity in the body can cause this condition...guess what meat and

> cheese does to your body? That's right...makes it acidic...<sigh>

> Anyone else have this happen? I refuse to use steroid cream as

that

> does nothing to cure the problem, just supresses it and makes it

last

> longer (much like any medication). Doc said it would probably

clear

> up but not until it got much worse. I didn't tell her about the

diet

> because I know she would have said, " Well, there ya go. " Anyone

even

> heard of this happening on this WOE??

>

> The second bad side effect is for DH. He is finding his muscles

are

> much weaker. He lifts weights after work each night and the other

> night he came home ready to quit this WOE because he is not getting

> stronger, but weaker. A few co-workers that did this WOE for a

while

> found the same problem. How do you remedy this? Should he be

eating

> more? Less? Are there certain supplements he needs? What (if any)

> experience have you had with this.

>

> I figure I will stick out the eczema/psoriasis out for another

month

> or so as I strongly believe in the body curing itself, but I know

dh

> won't keep on it if he continues to lose muscle and strength.

>

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

>

> Britt

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I've struggled with eczema most of my life. I am sensitive to many

chemical substances, including most perfumes and many cleaning

products. Although you've never had the problem before, it could

still be the result of something other than this WOE, or only

indirectly the result of the WOE - a specific food allergy rather

than a general reaction to ketosis. Allergies and sensitivities tend

to develop with exposure. For example, if you are eating a lot of

eggs, and never ate many before, you could have become sensitized

over the last several weeks and are just now reacting.

In my case, the skin problems are better, not worse, with this WOE.

Hydrocortisone cream (not a steroid) and drinking lots of water help

for me. You might also try reducing your consumption of typical

allergens like dairy (especially if under this WOE you consume much

more than you did before) and see if that helps.

Strength training is a different issue. A lot depends on the specific

program he follows. As a preliminary step in going into ketosis, the

body eliminates the glycogen in the liver and muscles. That glycogen

provides ready energy to the muscles under certain conditions. The

loss of that energy source does interfere with performance in certain

types of weight training programs. This does not mean that he is

getting weaker, but it can seem that way.

There are several ways to address this problem, which will most

probably disappear in several months as his body adjusts. He can

alter his program to emphasize short duration, high intensity OR very

long duration, low intensity rather than medium duration, moderate

intensity exercise - 1 set, 5-8 reps per muscle groups of very high

weight OR 4-5 sets, 15-20 reps of very low weight rather than 3 sets

8-12 reps of moderate weights. These plans reduce the need for

glycogen to sustain performance. If he doesn't need to lose weight,

or only lose a little, he can up his carbs to stay out of ketosis -

just make sure that none of those carbs are simple sugars or refined

flours. As an alternative, he could " carb up " once a week and alter

his program to put glycogen-using workouts at the beginning of the

week and aerobic workouts toward the end, ala Body Opus.

> O.k. this diet is having some bad side effects on dh and I. My bad

> side effect is sever eczema/psoriasis. Within a week of starting

> this diet (so about three or so weeks ago) I started getting sores

> popping up. First it was just a couple, but now it is MANY. They

> are big, red and itchy. Doctor did some scrapings and determined

> they weren't fungal. I have NO doubt they are from this diet. I

> have never had anything like this before. I have read that severe

> acidity in the body can cause this condition...guess what meat and

> cheese does to your body? That's right...makes it acidic...<sigh>

> Anyone else have this happen? I refuse to use steroid cream as

that

> does nothing to cure the problem, just supresses it and makes it

last

> longer (much like any medication). Doc said it would probably

clear

> up but not until it got much worse. I didn't tell her about the

diet

> because I know she would have said, " Well, there ya go. " Anyone

even

> heard of this happening on this WOE??

>

> The second bad side effect is for DH. He is finding his muscles

are

> much weaker. He lifts weights after work each night and the other

> night he came home ready to quit this WOE because he is not getting

> stronger, but weaker. A few co-workers that did this WOE for a

while

> found the same problem. How do you remedy this? Should he be

eating

> more? Less? Are there certain supplements he needs? What (if any)

> experience have you had with this.

>

> I figure I will stick out the eczema/psoriasis out for another

month

> or so as I strongly believe in the body curing itself, but I know

dh

> won't keep on it if he continues to lose muscle and strength.

>

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

>

> Britt

[Guest guest]

> have you read the book /? there are an endless list of supplements

you need

> minerals and l-carnitine will help you will feel weak if you

arent taking

> supplements

> i lift weights and except for induction i have no problems with my

strength

>

How heavy do you go?

I'm just putting a regimen together to do at home with dumb bells.

Tania

[Guest guest]

> have you read the book /? there are an endless list of supplements

you need

> minerals and l-carnitine will help you will feel weak if you

arent taking

> supplements

> i lift weights and except for induction i have no problems with my

strength

>

How heavy do you go?

I'm just putting a regimen together to do at home with dumb bells.

Tania

[Guest guest]

Britt,

I know I've read somewhere that red meat and egg yolks have something in them

that can trigger eczema. I suffer from eczema myself, but it doesn't seem any

worse with this WOE. Mine seems to get triggered by weather and how many dishes

I'm washing:-).

--

Kristn

257/234/230(mini)/145

Started 8/5/2001

[Guest guest]

I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is that the kind of thing you have as well? I have been a little off balance between a severe ear infection and the pain meds I lose my balance quite a bit, maybe I did fall or bump into something and don't remember. Doesn't really hurt, but really annoying esp. if it rubs up against my jeans.

Becca

[Guest guest]

I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is that the kind of thing you have as well? I have been a little off balance between a severe ear infection and the pain meds I lose my balance quite a bit, maybe I did fall or bump into something and don't remember. Doesn't really hurt, but really annoying esp. if it rubs up against my jeans.

Becca

[Guest guest]

I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is that the kind of thing you have as well? I have been a little off balance between a severe ear infection and the pain meds I lose my balance quite a bit, maybe I did fall or bump into something and don't remember. Doesn't really hurt, but really annoying esp. if it rubs up against my jeans.

Becca

[Guest guest]

> I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like

maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is

that the kind of thing you have as well?

No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

Ask your doctor what he/she thinks it is...can't hurt. Although mine

really had little to say about my condition...who knows what she

would have said if I had told her that it started after starting this

WOE. I'm sure it wouldn't have been very supportive of staying on it.

Britt

[Guest guest]

> I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like

maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is

that the kind of thing you have as well?

No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

Ask your doctor what he/she thinks it is...can't hurt. Although mine

really had little to say about my condition...who knows what she

would have said if I had told her that it started after starting this

WOE. I'm sure it wouldn't have been very supportive of staying on it.

Britt

[Guest guest]

> I also have unexplained sores, mostly on my left knee, looks like

maybe I fell and scraped it but then I don't remember doing that, is

that the kind of thing you have as well?

No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

Ask your doctor what he/she thinks it is...can't hurt. Although mine

really had little to say about my condition...who knows what she

would have said if I had told her that it started after starting this

WOE. I'm sure it wouldn't have been very supportive of staying on it.

Britt

[Guest guest]

Hey Britt, do you have dogs or cats at home? That sounds a bit like

ringworm...

Vered (the vet)

brittgower@... wrote:

>

>

> No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

> much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

> and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

> my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

> to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

[Guest guest]

Hey Britt, do you have dogs or cats at home? That sounds a bit like

ringworm...

Vered (the vet)

brittgower@... wrote:

>

>

> No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

> much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

> and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

> my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

> to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

[Guest guest]

Nope. I thought that at first too, but the doctor looked at them

very closely and I'm sure she's seen ringworm before. Besides that,

it doesn't really look like the pictures of ringworm I've seen...some

of them are really odd shaped. Thanks for thinking of me though

Britt

> >

> >

> > No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> > and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> > too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they

grow

> > much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes

oval)

> > and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> > discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much

like

> > my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they

get

> > to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> > and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> > doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

[Guest guest]

Nope. I thought that at first too, but the doctor looked at them

very closely and I'm sure she's seen ringworm before. Besides that,

it doesn't really look like the pictures of ringworm I've seen...some

of them are really odd shaped. Thanks for thinking of me though

Britt

> >

> >

> > No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> > and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> > too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they

grow

> > much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes

oval)

> > and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> > discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much

like

> > my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they

get

> > to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> > and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> > doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

[Guest guest]

Britt---

Does it look anything like chickenpox, but maybe bigger? If so it may be

shingles...

--- brittgower@... wrote:

> --- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., " Becca Bromberg " <u2angel26@h...>

>> No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

> much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

> and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

> my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

> to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

>

> Britt

>

>

=====

Kathy

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Britt---

Does it look anything like chickenpox, but maybe bigger? If so it may be

shingles...

--- brittgower@... wrote:

> --- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., " Becca Bromberg " <u2angel26@h...>

>> No. Mine are on my uppper body. They are mostly on my neck, back

> and stomach (although I noticed they are creaping down my butt now

> too -- lovely!) They start out really small and red, then they grow

> much larger (the size of a quarter...sometimes round, sometimes oval)

> and have a red, itchy outer ring and the middle is a strange,

> discolored skin tone. They are multiplying like rabbits!! Much like

> my stretch marks did with the twins - LOL. I figure that if they get

> to where they are on my face I am off this WOE until they are gone

> and I will start over and slowly add stuff in. Hopefully that

> doesn't happen because I'm enjoying my jeans being loose

>

> Britt

>

>

=====

Kathy

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

O.k. I changed my mind. I finally found a good site with lots of

examples of ringworm and some of them look exactly like what I have.

Hmmm...strange though because her scraping should have shown it was a

fungus (which it says is how ringworm is diagnosed). I don't have

any pets, but now that I think about it, I was around my mom's two

cats and two dogs the weekend before I started Atkins...how's that

for a good coincidence!! Well, at least I have an idea what it is

now...now just gotta have it confirmed so I can take care of it.

Thanks for inspiring me to look harder.

Britt

[Guest guest]

O.k. I changed my mind. I finally found a good site with lots of

examples of ringworm and some of them look exactly like what I have.

Hmmm...strange though because her scraping should have shown it was a

fungus (which it says is how ringworm is diagnosed). I don't have

any pets, but now that I think about it, I was around my mom's two

cats and two dogs the weekend before I started Atkins...how's that

for a good coincidence!! Well, at least I have an idea what it is

now...now just gotta have it confirmed so I can take care of it.

Thanks for inspiring me to look harder.

Britt