Re: Re: What TSH, FT3, FT4 numbers are you shooting for?

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I'm curious, do you crave salt and have nausea as a symptom. This was the

first signs I had that tiped me off that I had Adrenal Fatigue. You can't

eat at all because you are so sick to your stomach. I lost 15lbs before it

finally showed up on a test. The symptoms came way before it showed up on

the blood work. I'm pretty skinny so 15lbs was significant for me.

LaCretia

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>I am in total agreement with all said, Tish, and with Dr. Barry Peatfield,

>but what about this situation with me? I still think that I have adrenal

>fatigue that MAY be in slow recovery, but have not tested. Here's MY

>scenario:

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>High systolic BP of anywhere from 140-180 from time to time

>High diastolic from time to time, though not often, I don't think (I take

>it

>at work 3 or 4 times a week---anywhere from 70 to 100, not often at 100.

>Pulse rate is mostly like clockwork at 72, though, in the last month, since

>I raised from 2 grains Armour to 2 1/4 grains over 6 wks ago, it has run as

>high as 90, but only for short periods, and not while I'm working hard.

>Mostly 72 though.

>Daytime temp almost all day now is running 98 to 98.6, clockwork, but at

>night it can run as high as almost 99, but not often.

>When I took the whole bovine adrenal glandular from Nutri-Meds for a couple

>of wks, for the second time, I woke up with an ungodly high pulse rate in

>the 150 to 160 range, with a hard heartbeat also, let alone palps that are

>here on and off again. This lasted for several hrs, right in synchronicity

>with the taking of the adrenal glandular. When that wore off, the high

>pulse and all that went away, and I've not taken any adrenal support again.

>The other stuff remains on again, off again.

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>What would you say about these things? I have been thinking adrenal

>fatigue

>has been happening for the last 3 or 4 yrs, yet I don't fit the profile for

>the pulse, BP, etc........except the other symptoms. I know my last

>testing

>showed a .8 Free T4, that was rock bottom so called norma, with a Free T3

>of

>3.6 at midrange, high end being 4.2. What is the mystery here, with me?!

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> Re: What TSH, FT3, FT4 numbers are you

>shooting for?

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> > Your numbers are showing that you have a health issue or issues that

> > are preventing your tissues from being able to use thyriod hormone

> > and it is building up in the blood.

> >

> > On 1 grain armour, 1/2 a 75 synthroid.

> >

> > Your dose is too small to be an overdose, except in situations where

> > it has become unusable by the body.

> >

> > Here are some possible causes:

> >

> > -Low adrenal function or low cortisol

> > -Low iron reserves and anemia

> > -Low blood sugar from a restrictive diet

> > -Low nutrition or nurtritional uptake that is not adequate for your

> > increased metabolic rate. This can easily happen in hypothyroidism

> > bcause hypothyroidism interferes with the uptake of nutrition.

> > -A thyroid dose raise, when your body and adrenals wer not ready or

> > a thyroid dose raise that is too large for you.

> > -Stress

> > -Illness

> > -Lack of adequate sleep

> > -Too much exercise for your body's tolerance

> > -All of the 5 above increase adrenal demands and increase

> > nutritional needs

> >

> > In a problem with low adrenal or nutrional status, thryoid hormone

> > cannot be used by cells as they lack the capacity to use it. So, it

> > builds up in the blood stream and will often give symptoms of

> > overdose, such as a racing heart, the shakes, weakness, fatigue and

> > hypoglycemia just to mention a few. Because the heart and muscles

> > have high blood flow to them, they are most affected by thyroid

> > hormone building up in the blood. Meanwhile the rest of the tissues

> > in the body are deprived.

> >

> > My advice is that you can drop back down on your dose for a little

> > while to give your body a chance to recover and then try again

> > perhaps at a lower dose rise next time. You can try adrenal support

> > if you suspect that is the cause and leave your dose as is. It

> > should improve in a month or two and thyroid levels will drop down

> > to normal or low again as it will be able to get into tissues. You

> > can try to address whatever health issue you think may be the cause

> > and stay the course on dose and I would advise getting lots of rest

> > and avoiding stress for a while.

> >

> > The reason that I say that your dose cannot be an overdose, except

> > if you can't use it is because the average healthy thyroid makes

> > about 4-1/2 to 5 grains a day. Whenever a healthy person takes, for

> > example, 2 grains of Armour, their pituitary senses this and drops

> > production of TSH to tell the thyroid to only make 2-1/2 to 3 grains

> > more or less than that. So, if you take 2 grains and you are helthy

> > and your adrenals can handle it, your own thyroid will make just 2-

> > 1/2 to 3 more grains to get your total to 4-1/2 to 5 grains or

> > whatever the level is that is right for you. You have to exceed the

> > total thyroid production that is right for your body in order to

> > overdose. Taking 2 grains does not add on top of what a healthy

> > thyroid makes because the brain has mechanisms for adjusting things

> > to make blood levels right.

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> > So, any time a person has difficulties with doses that are far less

> > than what your daily needs are, it is due to a problem with the

> > body's ability to use it. When this happens, tissues become

> > resistant to T3 and T4 and it will stay in the blood. The results

> > will be abnormally high test results. After all you are only

> > measuring the thyroid in the blood, not in the tissues.

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> > Tish

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