Re: That dastardly chilli pepper cream - Reply to my own e-mail

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To Rose,

I think that I have written before what happen to me with cream however I don't remember if it was this spring or last summer. It probility was last summer though. I had put this cream on my legs and lower back as usual for this rhemy pain there in the muscles. Some time later I had a little irration on the outside of my right eye. Whether I just wasn't thinking or just a little of having short term memory lost I'll never know. Anyway, this dummmy here (me, myself, and I) rubbed my right eye with my inside of my fingertips of that right hand (it is where police take your "finger prints" while you happen to be in "slammer" or the "joint". Within seconds I had very extreme burning going on around that right eye. So what did I do? I went and flush water on my eye like I had dust or such that is considered as a "foreign" matter in that eye like most would do working in dusty enviroment. This "flushing of my eye" with the water only made the situation extremely worse. More and more

water on my eye wasn't doing any good. Meanwhile in my mind and in my voice I just sorta of was yelling or screaming of what was going on. Then I remember about using MILK, YES JUST PLAIN OLD MILK. Milk is what is called a Neutralizing Agent, like a person has too take milk with an prescription or those "over-the-counter" pills such as Ibruprofen for senisitive stomach people (like yours truly here). Any kind of white milk, not chocolate milk of course. So what I did was pour milk in a small bowl and use my left fingertips to douse the milk right into my right eye over and over and over again. After about perhaps 8 to 10 times doing this and then using water on my left fingertips the pain all but went away. I did feel like I had irratation for awhile in that right eye but that went away later. When this pain subsided, I called 911 dispatched and told the operator what happen to my eye. You may not believe what happen now then. The fire department came out with one of those long

"hook & ladder" fire trucks!!!!!!!!!! They also had a S.U.V. like fire vehicle too. And all this was just because of my eye!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They gave me some eye flush liquid in a plastic bottle and I still have it. WORD TO WISE HERE. ROSE AND EVERYONE ELSE USES THIS CREAM, DO NOT EVER, EVER USE THIS IN OR AROUND YOUR EYES BECAUSE IN LIKE MY SITUATION I COULD HAVE PERAMANIENT EYE DAMAGE. ALSO DO NOT GET THIS BY THE NOSE OR MUSCUS MEMBRAINS AS THEY THAT, AND DOWN IN PRIVATE AREAS IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

I won't write about this cream unless anyone has questions to me about again after this e-mail. Rose, & others who read this, I can't STRESS enough about this cream that this is one of those "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" kind of medcines and drugs people can use. Like I said in that e-mail Thursday or Friday, this cream is okay or very much okay when you use this with care and you are indoors with airconditioning on. That's the nice thing about this or Dr. Jekyll form of this cream. The Mr. Hyde of this is specially if you had this on your skin, such as I have off and on these past almost 3 years now of using it and being outdoors cloudy and even worst in the sunlight. There has been a number of times I had this cream on while doing these paper-

routes and I was actually BITTING into my arm temporary because of this burning pain on skin. Y'all may wonder, if it is that bad why are you using it? A couple of years ago I've use "Deep Heating" rub, and "Icy Hot" and this was fine, but this was only effective for say 2 hours. Lately I've used this type of cream and it wasn't doing any good at all. The answer to this dilema is start taking Prednisone like I've stated the other day.

The Mr. Hyde of this cream, or the danger side of this cream is like Rose stated and I stated. Take my word for it. Anyone who excessively puts too much of this cream on their body (around the bones, & muscles) or overdose on this is like I had envisioned what would happened. That is this pain would be so much that YOU WOULD WANT TO DIE, PERIOD!!!!!!!

Like a person in a house, car fire, the pain would be unbearable.

Time to go, check back Monday.

Rose wrote:

, thanks for the advice & concern. I DID mess up the other night with it. I've been having so much pain in my hands that I thought I would try it on them, but I knew I would probably rub it in my eyes during the night, so I put vinyl gloves on. I don't know if it was the gloves, too much cream, or my hands are more sensitive, but I woke up in a couple of hours feeling like my hands were on fire! I tried to wait it out, but finally I took off the gloves & scrubbed my hands several times with various soaps. They didn't look red or swollen, but were still burning bad, so I tried a couple of lotions. Didn't help. I dug around looking for something with aloe in it & found Desitin. That always worked well for bad diaper rashes, so I used that. Nope. Now anyone who has applied Desitin knows that it's almost impossible to get off! But I used baby oil & soap & got most of it

off; then just ran cool water over my hands. That was nice, but I couldn't do that all night. Finally I got back into bed & set a fan on my stomach with both hands in front of it. That let me go back to sleep. Now my hands didn't hurt quite as much the next day, but I haven't had the nerve to try it again! If I do, I'll just use a little cream, then put socks on my hands like I do my feet, because the socks will absorb some of the cream. Rose

Re: That dastardly chilli pepper cream - Reply to my own e-mail

Hello out there today!

Well this may be first for all time here. I'am responding to my own e-mail of all things!!!!!!!!

It is just a LOVELY thought here about this "rhemy" cream and what Joan had mentioned about the heat in Kuitwait. Well be somewhere where it's 130 degrees is a "PIECE OF CAKE" compared to having this cream on your skin AFTER you been outdoors in the sunlight, cloudy, with hot temperature like 90 degrees or more like has been here. If everyone in the world use this cream and overdose of the amount your suppose to use like half the tube or all of this tube being overdosing, THE ENTIRE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WOULD BE KILLING THEMSELVES!!!!!!! I'am not going to discuss religious thing here, but if DO BELIEVE there is a real place called Hell, then overuse of this cream is NOT very much better. You read this and may feel depressed about reading this, and I'am sorry here on my part. But for more than a year now, there has been times I can't sleep at night unless I use the small amount on my legs for this "rhemy" pain. I'am using the amount told to me by the "rhemy" doc.

Yesterday or was it Wednesday?, working on these paperoutes I was sometimes running with usual limp in my legs (more than likely sarcoid lesions in muscles,etc.) up to people's houses because I wanted to speed up getting this done as soon as possible. Y'all may think that "Why am using this in the first place?". Well I just have to "stick it out" until I see an neuro or an rhemy doc and I sure hope to resolve this. I know that basically is that Prednisone or simliar drugs for this. Yeah if I was on such drugs I wouldn't need this "rhemy" cream at all. I only use about 2/3 rds or 3/4 ths of an area wise that is top of an eraser on a brand new pencil. THAT'S ALL I USE, ALL I SHOULD USE, ALL THAT I DARE TO USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Usage of this amount I end using the entire tube in 4 to 5 months.

Oh I think it was two weeks ago I went down to Ann Arbor V.A. Hospital and I was talking to a man in the van we were riding in about this cream. He said he uses it himself because he has Rhemuatiod Arthritis. He agreed with me that this cream used in a overdose way is a form of TORTURE!!!!! I told him that the government could give this to those terriosts and they would tell them whatever they want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joan, you responded before when I written about this "dastardly" or "wickedly" cream. What I said here today is somewhat what I had written about this before. Well I'am just going to say again, being out in the sun in Kuitwait or even such as Death Valley, California where it has been up to 135 degrees I believe is still a "piece of cake", that's nothing to the feeling of being physically burn at times that I had to be out in the sun. Then there's that Vitamin "D" toxcity a sarcoidosis patient may receive by those sun rays that I for one maybe getting as well and don't know about it additional to this cream crap.

Rose, you're the only one that I know other than myself that is using this "chilli pepper cream". Please take really care of yourself if you use this cream and be outside for any length of time. Oh I hope your vehicle doesn't break down after have this cream on yourself.

GARY WOOLARD wrote:

Marla & Rose,

Marla, I wasn't talking or writing about being emotional upset or angry at any side affects or symptoms that Sarcoidosis can and have done to anybody with this group or elsewhere in the world. That e-mail that I had written that you could just "scream" was soley about this cream in itself called Trixaicin HP. I had written before about this and I was almost certainly that Rose said she used this before. The "rhemy" doc at the V.A. clinic orginatedly prescribed this for me back in the fall of 2002. At that time muscaliar & bone pain was alot on the mild side back then. Also because I have had a history of this Peptic Ulcer Disease and Sarcoidosis was giving me mild symptoms in this muscaliar skelter dept of myself, I was NOT put on Prednisone or anyother such anti-inflamatary medcines. Fast forward to this present time of my life at that "T" shape road intersection of my life if you could call this dimelma now I'am facing. Basically I feel like I have no

choice. As late as this past March or early April, I thought the idea of me taking Prednisone would be something that is the last drug on earth for me to take. Now I feel just the complete OPPOSITE in that if I go on this drug and develope a bleeding ulcer within 4 months and/or develope Stomach Cancer within say 15 months, it's like big deal and I don't really care anymore. I feel like I'am going to be "screwed" health wise no matter what if take this Prednisone or not take this Prednisone.

By the way, something I never mentioned before is that when a person has a stomach ulcer is like a person had a punch or punches in their stomach like a boxer has a fight. This can last for anywhere of hours to going on days, or weeks.

Now back to this "rhemy" cream. I still use only a realitively small amount on the back side of legs, my lower back, and just a "whisper" amount my ankles. For those persons that have a airconditioned house, vehicle, and still work such as in a office work place this cream is okay. But being out in the sun with this cream on your skin is hazardous and can be even DANGEROUS to the very existing of your own life. To me, the most TERRIFYING way a person could die is being in such as a house fire, car fire, or chemical burn. YOU SURE DON'T WANT TO PUT ALOT OF THIS CREAM ON YOURSELF, LET ALONE THE ENTIRE CREAM TUBE OF THIS UNLESS YOU DESIRE A HORRENDOUS WAY OF DYING. Tuesday morning I put this cream on where I usually put this on my skin. After putting this cream on, I ate toast for some breakfast. Either I had short memory loss going on or just being stupid and not paying attention to what I was doing then. I wiped my face & lips with soap to get margine off there that I aquired

from the toast with the same fingers putting this cream on my legs, etc. Then a very, very, very much burning came on to my lips & face. I doused my lips & face with milk then rinse with water and doing this about 7 times finally this burning there went away.

So anyway, Marla & Rose, and everyone else here this cream is fine IF, AND I SAY IF you use this with respect with caution how much you put on and/or you have to be outdoors. I suppose if I was on this Prednisone now, I wouldn't need to use this cream to aleve bone, musclar pain and stiffness.

Rose, you use this chilli pepper cream with the most care possible, okay? I've only had been putting this on myself twice a day. In the morning and before going to sleep at night. Again I say use this cream with care and respect this with the atmost care possible. My lower back where I put this cream on Tuesday was as red as my red shirt I was wearing that day. Nobody can ever tell me what's it like to be burn because I have had this done already out in the sun doing these paperoutes.

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