Re: Overweight with Celiac

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I have noticed that if I eat too many GF snacks out of flour (cookies,

cake..) that I can start to put wieght back on. I limit my flour

intake. I eat one regular or three dollar size Blueberry pancakes on

Sundays...to help keep my weight on.

The only time I abstein from flour and sugar is if I find my putting

too much weight on to fast, and investigate what I am eating. Usually,

I find it has wheat... I am not diabetic, but I can become

hypoglycemic, not a bad problem as I go on a high protein diet, stay

away from sweets, and my blood sugars become regulated again.

Tree

>

>

> I live in a household with 6 (myself, my husband, 2 children and my

husband's parents - it's an equal footing thing, we split the bills).

My oldest son and I are the only celiac's (it's amazing that my

in-laws are willing to split the grocery bills when we have so many

specialized food options, but they do). We have very little regular

flour in the house, a dedicated section of the kitchen to hold my gf

stuff (one over cabinet and one under cabinet) as well as that counter

that is dedicated gf. It holds my gf toaster, and it's where I set up

the bread machine when I make bread. It's difficult (mostly with FIL,

who just doesn't " get it " about cross contamination) but do-able.

>

> As far as weight, I stay the same 20-25 pounds overweight unless I

get a lot of trace gluten, then get bloated and gain 5 more. I went

with the theory that Quaker Oats were ok, ate oatmeal every day for a

month, gained 5 pounds and started feeling sick. Cut them out and

only lost the 5 pounds. Seems nothing I do can help lose that extra

20-25 pounds. I'm 5'4 and weigh between 165 and 170. I felt the best

when I weighed 145, so that's where I get how much I'm overweight. I

lifted weights in my youth and still have the muscles, just fat around

it. No medical professional ever thinks I weigh as much as I do.

>

> --

> loriann aka Victree the Christian clown

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I agree. It is so unfair. If I have to get this disease at least I

could be thin.

I haven't started on the no gluten and don't know if i ever will.But

I would be interested in a group for overweght people with celiac.

Doreen

> > > >frankiebrady9903 wrote:

> > >

> > >>Hi,

> > >> I am wondering what the GF diet has done for

> > other celiacs that

> > >>are overweight? I know that no matter what I

> > still have to go GF,

> > >>but have others lost or gained weight? My family

> > and I are

> > >>staying with my parents for another month until we

> > close on our

> > >>house and I am having a hard time completely

> > staying GF. Once

> > >>I move and I am the only food shpper in the house

> > it will be

> > >>easier but I was just wondering how the journey is

> > for others....

> > >>Thanks, Mandy

> > >>

>

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I have had Celiacs for about 9 years and I am now starting to get overweight. I am not too bad, just about 20 lbs overweight but it drives me crazy. I am up and down and the only thing I have found to work is portion control. there is a GF weight watchers online support group as well. Weight watchers does help because it is all about portion control. in STLninadoreen wrote: I agree. It is so unfair. If I have to get this disease at least I could be thin. I haven't started on the no gluten and don't know if i ever will.But I would be interested in a group for overweght people with celiac.Doreen> > > >frankiebrady9903 wrote:> > >> > >>Hi,> >

>> I am wondering what the GF diet has done for> > other celiacs that> > >>are overweight? I know that no matter what I> > still have to go GF,> > >>but have others lost or gained weight? My family> > and I are> > >>staying with my parents for another month until we> > close on our> > >>house and I am having a hard time completely> > staying GF. Once> > >>I move and I am the only food shpper in the house> > it will be> > >>easier but I was just wondering how the journey is> > for others....> > >>Thanks, Mandy> > >>>

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Let's all back up a second. I have seen at least a dozen posts today advocating fad diets, glycemic index aware eating, weight watchers, etc. etc. but very little on eating less and exercising, the veritable silver bullet of weight loss and a healthy lifestyle. You can count all the points you want, but there is a myriad of scientific and empirical evidence that suggests you are seriously missing the boat if you are not combining watching what you eat, controlling portion size, and exercising daily (30-45 minutes at your target heart rate).

--E Re: Overweight with CeliacI agree. It is so unfair. If I have to get this disease at least I could be thin. I haven't started on the no gluten and don't know if i ever will.But I would be interested in a group for overweght people with celiac.Doreen> > > >frankiebrady9903 wrote:> > >> > >>Hi,> > >> I am wondering what the GF diet has done for> > other celiacs that> > >>are overweight? I know that no matter what I> > still have to go GF,> > >>but have others lost or gained weight? My family> > and I are> > >>staying with my parents for another month until we> > close

on our> > >>house and I am having a hard time completely> > staying GF. Once> > >>I move and I am the only food shpper in the house> > it will be> > >>easier but I was just wondering how the journey is> > for others....> > >>Thanks, Mandy> > >>>

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OHHHHHHH Thank you!!!!

Mimi

michele stalewski wrote:

I recently joined the following www.sparkpeople.com because I'm

an overweight celiac who is pre-diabetic(I just quit smoking too) and

I'm terrified that I'll gain even more weight. The group is free and

has alot of information. I haven't addressed the celiac thing with them

yet, when I get my weekly meal plan I just substitute GF stuff. Give it

a look if you want, maybe it will help.

Michele

Message: 25

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Overweight with Celiac

Thank you for all of the replys. I keep wondering how

am I going to get through this when it seems that 99%

of recipes and ideas are for breads and baked goods.

I have never really been much of a bread or junk food

person but I am overweight and still need to stay away

from that stuff. I'm glad i'm not the only one. I

would love a little sub-group about this!!

Mandy in Mass

--- " It's Mimi :-)" wrote:

> Carol, I know how frustrating it is. I saw my doctor

> (PCP) yesterday and

> in three months I lost 5 pounds........I know a loss

> is better then a

> gain but my goodness only 5 pounds. My A1c is now

> 6.1 down from

> 6.7.....................so I am going in the right

> direction but man the

> progress is sooooo slow.

>

> Mimi

>

> Carol Heppner wrote:

>

> > I'm having the same problem.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 4/13/06, It's Mimi :-) <mimi_to_ian@...

>

> > > wrote:

> >

> > I am another over weight celiac/diabetic (type

> 2) and so far it

> > has been quite difficult to lose anything but

> keep

> > trying........perhaps sillyyaks could have a

> sub group for this

> > unique group of people to share ideas and

> strategies! I would even

> > be interested in helping with this

> group............anyone

> > listening?!!

> >

> > Mimi in NH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > frankiebrady9903 wrote:

> >

> >> Hi,

> >> I am wondering what the GF diet has done

> for other celiacs that

> >> are overweight? I know that no matter what I

> still have to go GF,

> >> but have others lost or gained weight? My

> family and I are

> >> staying with my parents for another month

> until we close on our

> >> house and I am having a hard time completely

> staying GF. Once

> >> I move and I am the only food shpper in the

> house it will be

> >> easier but I was just wondering how the

> journey is for others....

> >> Thanks, Mandy

> >>

> >>

> >>

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And Mandy, don’t forget…it’s

okay if you don’t re-write your entire diet overnight! (except about

gluten, of course). One step at a time in the direction of health is a huge

victory!

Laurie

lbilyeu@...

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Mandy Feola

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:08

AM

To: SillyYaks

Subject: RE:

Overweight with Celiac

I had tried wieght watchers before and did

okay

with the flex plan. I still have all of my

info from

last summer with the core plan info too. I

think I'll

take a look at it tonight. Thanks for the

idea.

Mandy

--- Laurie Bilyeu wrote:

>

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Hi .

You're right that eating less and exercising are crucial to success,

but many people have trouble finding which combinations of foods

enable to them to most easily eat less and exercise, and the diets

give people ways of finding these combinations for themselves.

For instance, I am very sensitive to sugar and sweets. For some

reason, eating sugar makes me crave more sugar, it saps my energy for

exercise, and it saps my energy to cook low-calorie, healthy vegetable

dishes, so it's easy to fall into a rut even if I start out within

reasonable calorie counts, such as by substituting 250 calories of

sweets for 250 calories of brown rice at breakfast. Arguably, even if

I eat 250 calories of sweets instead of 250 calories of brown rice for

breakfast, it may be theoretically possible to propel myself through

exercising and eating appropriate numbers of calories the next few

days on pure willpower, but one should not rely on miracles.

Janet

>

>

> Let's all back up a second. I have seen at least a dozen posts today

> advocating fad diets, glycemic index aware eating, weight watchers, etc.

> etc. but very little on eating less and exercising, the veritable silver

> bullet of weight loss and a healthy lifestyle. You can count all the points

> you want, but there is a myriad of scientific and empirical evidence that

> suggests you are seriously missing the boat if you are not combining

> watching what you eat, controlling portion size, and exercising daily (30-45

> minutes at your target heart rate).

>

> --E

>

>

> Re: Overweight with Celiac

>

> I agree. It is so unfair. If I have to get this disease at least I

> could be thin.

>

> I haven't started on the no gluten and don't know if i ever will.But

> I would be interested in a group for overweght people with celiac.

> Doreen

>

>

> > > > >frankiebrady9903 wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>Hi,

> > > >> I am wondering what the GF diet has done for

> > > other celiacs that

> > > >>are overweight? I know that no matter what I

> > > still have to go GF,

> > > >>but have others lost or gained weight? My family

> > > and I are

> > > >>staying with my parents for another month until we

> > > close on our

> > > >>house and I am having a hard time completely

> > > staying GF. Once

> > > >>I move and I am the only food shpper in the house

> > > it will be

> > > >>easier but I was just wondering how the journey is

> > > for others....

> > > >>Thanks, Mandy

> > > >>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Michele,

I just joined sparkpeople. I was looking in the groups on the site and did not find one for celiacs. Have you thought about starting one? I think there may be a few people here who would join. We could give each other ideas of what to substitute for the meal plans listed.

Overweight with Celiac

I recently joined the following www.sparkpeople.com because I'm an overweight celiac who is pre-diabetic(I just quit smoking too) and I'm terrified that I'll gain even more weight. The group is free and has alot of information. I haven't addressed the celiac thing with them yet, when I get my weekly meal plan I just substitute GF stuff. Give it a look if you want, maybe it will help.

Michele

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Michele,

I saw something the other day where you could search to see if there is a group with a particular interest, and if there isn't one, you could start one. I just started looking around on the site, but can't find that particular area. If I find it again, I'll start a group and let you and anyone else know about it.

Re: Overweight with CeliacMichele,I just joined sparkpeople. I was looking in the groups on the site and did not find one for celiacs. Have you thought about starting one? I think there may be a few people here who would join. We could give each other ideas of what to substitute for the meal plans listed.

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PLEASE INVITE ME TOO!

MIMI

Minnich wrote:

Michele,

I saw something the other day

where you could search to see if there is a group with a particular

interest, and if there isn't one, you could start one. I just started

looking around on the site, but can't find that particular area. If I

find it again, I'll start a group and let you and anyone else know

about it.

-----

Original Message -----

From:

michele stalewski

To:

SillyYaks

Sent:

Monday, April 17, 2006 1:59 PM

Subject:

Overweight with Celiac

Hi ,

I'm glad you decided to join sparkpeople. I'm

still new and I'm pretty clumsy on the site. I don't understand what

you mean about starting a celiac group, I haven't posted anything to

the group yet, I've just been reading stuff and logging the meals.

Please explain.

Thanks,

Michele

Message: 18

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:39:37 -0400

Subject: Re: Overweight with Celiac

Michele,

I just joined sparkpeople. I was looking in the groups on the site and

did not find one for celiacs. Have you thought about starting one? I

think there may be a few people here who would join. We could give each

other ideas of what to substitute for the meal plans listed.

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>

> I am another over weight celiac/diabetic (type 2) and so far it has

been

> quite difficult to lose anything but keep trying........perhaps

> sillyyaks could have a sub group for this unique group of people to

> share ideas and strategies! I would even be interested in helping

with

> this group............anyone listening?!!

Type 2 diabetes results from the accumulation of fat particulary

around the viscera. (Also known as fatty liver diabetes). The

susceptibility increases with age. Several factors contribute, the

largest of which is probably a reduction of exercise with age. In

many native american tribes the reversion of type diabetes is seen

with generally vigorous exercise such as running.

"

People with type 2 diabetes should accumulate at least 150 minutes of

moderate intensity aerobic activity – such as brisk walking, cycling

or dancing – each week, spread over at least 3 separate days.

Ideally, you should aim for four hours or more. The positive effects

of this activity will be enhanced if you also perform resistance

exercises three times per week. Your healthcare team can help you

decide what activities will work best for you.

"

http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About/type2.asp#active

The problem with celiac disease is that CD clearly ages the

digestive system and associated viscera, potentially ages the liver

over the normal individual. It is neccesary to watch calories and

exercise to keep the liver working properly, also avoid excessive

alcohol, etc. The other problem is that there is at least a passive

association between DQ8 and incidence of type 2 diabetes. IOW peoples

that have high DQ8 frequencies (i.e. native americans from mexico and

south america) have the highest risk of type 2 diabetes when they

immigrate to the U.S. There are other factors, it has been suggested

that diabetes causes damage to the GI and liver that may promote or

induce celiac disease. This linkage is seen with type 1 diabetes in

NW europe.

Therefore eating to protect your liver is good. They recommend

starchy foods over fatty foods. I would say start with the basics. CD

cause a reduced adsorption of essential fatty acids, so this is the

staple. Eating a balanced protein diet may be a problem, certain

amino acids such as tryptophan may be lacking. Getting these

essential elements may reduce the food cravings. Bananas, while

fatty, have a hunger suppressor. From here eat foods that give you

energy as the site recommends versus foods that make you feel

lethargic, after you eat have some projects or exercise activity so

that you burn energy.

http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About/type2.asp#eating

Vitamin B6 and 12 are withing the pathway of proper fatty acid

metabolism (anabolism as well as catabolism). Deficiencies in this

pathway can cause depression and lethargy. CD may cause some

maladsorption of these vitamins as well. As a result if you are

depressed or feeling lethargic (such as chronic fatique), CD may be

the cause, but the resolution may require more than just cessation of

wheat. In addition a diet containing as little as 1 mg per week of

wheat may prevent healing and thus correction of the maladsorption

problems.

See:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GliadinScience/

For abstracts.

Excess Vitamin B can cause damage to an already damaged liver so

make sure the dose is appropriate (100% or so of the USRDA).

Caffiene is also a proper stimulant when taken to get you going,

excessive caffiene consumption causes its effects to be less

controllable and is prone to hypertension. Diabetes, excess blood fat

(triglycerides) and high blood pressure are a recipe for disaster.

IOW control caffiene intake for periods when you need a boost to go

out and get that exercise. Green tea is supposed to also be

beneficial to GI health.

Physical exercise cannot be understated. Fat does not burn fat,

muscle burns fat, fat insulates the body from heat loss. Therefore

toning the body up and converting fat mass to muscle mass results in

the faster and easier burning of fat.

Natural Remedies.

In mexico people eat the nascent leaves of the prickly pear cactus

to treat diabetes. I have no information on whether this works but it

seems to aid in the healing of the digestive tract, so there is that

angle. Tripe also seems to be beneficial to the digestive tract and

can replace kind for kind the types of fatty acids lost as a result

of repeated GI damage and maladsorption. If it treats the GI

discomfort allowing a person to get out and work more, I have no

qualms about this remedy. It is also used for the treatment of

hangovers.

I don't recommend this but also in Soutehrn Mexico very hot Chiles

are used by people for treatment of diabetes. What I know about this

is that hot chiles block and destroy the nerve signals that cause the

attraction of lymphocytes and potentially at high enough levels could

cause gluten to be ignored by the GI tract. Since the diet is rich in

corn and beans one can imagine another effect of the very hot chiles.

[Moderator said for us to be silly so . . . . ]

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/diabetes.htm#oil

"

Fish Oil, Flaxseed oil, Borage oil, Helps Prevent Diabetes

Results of GLA (gamma linolenic acid) as found in flax oil, fish oil

and evening primore oil supplementation in diabetics truly astounding

Stein et al, in their research at the Department of Internal

Medicine, Center for Diabetes Research at the University of Texas

Southwestern Medical Center Dallas Texas have conclusively

demonstrated the vital importance of oils that contain the essential

Omega three fatty acids. These Omega three's as well as an important

Omega six are the EFA's LNA and LA. When we lack them in our diet, we

suffer degenerative disease

"

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/diabetes.htm#oil

[There is the fish oil thing again]