doc loves diet, but has questions

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting SCD 3

months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY nutrition

oriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?

Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed as he thinks

it a crucial thing for kids to put in their guts

Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He said they

are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're sugars, but

they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an important part of

killing off the bad guys

Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we can have

fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose

Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the detox to

happen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help the phase II

detox happen.

Can anyone offer me some help with this?

I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base on these

topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit for saving my Dad's

life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6

months to live. He did go through radiation and chemo, but judging by the

doctors' complete amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the

supps/vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE. I've

been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had just never heard

of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his advice? I guess I'm just

looking for someone to help me understand why it's so important to avoid these

things that he had some issues with. He was especially passionate about the

bifido stuff.

Thanks so much!

Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

, 8, mild asperger's symptoms

Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

[Guest guest]

Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link is that

Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be similar enough to the

bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as one of the triggers of the

autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune

reaction.

Sorbitol/Xylitol - These do not kill bacteria. Xylitol has been reported to

reduce cavities because it seems to not be consumed by the common cavity-causing

bacteria. They are not killed - they just don't grow well. Other bacteria

happily eat Xylitol. Sorbitol is actually used to culture certain bacteria.

Fructose as an ingredient on a food label usually implies high fructose corn

syrup which also contains many other sugars. It is the other sugars/starches

that cause problems.

Detox is a somewhat vague idea that is used to describe the process of altering

the state of the gut's ecology. The idea suggests that toxins are flushed out

of the system as a part of normal elimination. I can see where your Chiro would

see a need for bentonite if toxins were systemic, but I think that the toxins

are bacterial byproducts that are removed by the normal process of excretion and

waste elimination (once those bacteria are starved out of the gut ecosystem). I

also think that a lot of what is called detox is due to the healing process

proceeding to go through the proper inflammation/cleansing/healing cycle once

the cause of ongoing inflammation (certain bacteria) is removed.

The following is my take on the process: the diet initially removes all food

sources that cause the bacterium to secrete the enzyme that causes the problem.

Once this source of inflammation is removed, then normal healing can take place.

Once healing has happened, the gut lining returns to its normal barrier function

and keeps the gut contents from triggering the immune system. That is why more

challenging foods can be added after a time. The gut lining is able to prevent

the immune system from being triggered unless a large concentration of the

trigger enzyme is present or some environmental challenges cause increased gut

permeability - allowing contact between the immune system and gut contents.

>

> Hi all,

> Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting SCD 3

> months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY nutrition

> oriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?

>

> Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed as he

thinks

> it a crucial thing for kids to put in their guts

>

> Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He said they

> are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're sugars, but

> they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an important part of

> killing off the bad guys

>

> Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we can have

> fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose

>

> Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the detox to

> happen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help the phase

II

> detox happen.

>

> Can anyone offer me some help with this?

>

> I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base on these

topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit for saving my Dad's

life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6

months to live. He did go through radiation and chemo, but judging by the

doctors' complete amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the

supps/vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE. I've

been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had just never heard

of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his advice? I guess I'm just

looking for someone to help me understand why it's so important to avoid these

things that he had some issues with. He was especially passionate about the

bifido stuff.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

> , 8, mild asperger's symptoms

> Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

>

[Guest guest]

> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

of bifidobacterium and while some

strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

positive ones. That is why

Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

the SCDiet.

And let's recall the fact that Elaine acknowledged being no kind of an

expert on strains of

bacteria and admitting that she did not have all the evidence for the

various bifido strains.

She took a conservative approach that would help the most people, all

of whom had very

different reactions, and she stuck with what she knew absolutely to be

efficacious.

> Sorbitol/Xylitol - These do not kill bacteria. Xylitol has been

> reported to reduce cavities because it seems to not be consumed by

> the common cavity-causing bacteria. They are not killed - they just

> don't grow well. Other bacteria happily eat Xylitol. Sorbitol is

> actually used to culture certain bacteria.

>

> Fructose as an ingredient on a food label usually implies high

> fructose corn syrup which also contains many other sugars. It is

> the other sugars/starches that cause problems.

>

> Detox is a somewhat vague idea that is used to describe the process

> of altering the state of the gut's ecology. The idea suggests that

> toxins are flushed out of the system as a part of normal

> elimination. I can see where your Chiro would see a need for

> bentonite if toxins were systemic, but I think that the toxins are

> bacterial byproducts that are removed by the normal process of

> excretion and waste elimination (once those bacteria are starved out

> of the gut ecosystem).

Although they can make you quite sick short term in the process.

> I also think that a lot of what is called detox is due to the

> healing process proceeding to go through the proper inflammation/

> cleansing/healing cycle once the cause of ongoing inflammation

> (certain bacteria) is removed.

>

> The following is my take on the process: the diet initially removes

> all food sources that cause the bacterium to secrete the enzyme that

> causes the problem. Once this source of inflammation is removed,

> then normal healing can take place. Once healing has happened, the

> gut lining returns to its normal barrier function and keeps the gut

> contents from triggering the immune system. That is why more

> challenging foods can be added after a time. The gut lining is able

> to prevent the immune system from being triggered unless a large

> concentration of the trigger enzyme is present or some environmental

> challenges cause increased gut permeability - allowing contact

> between the immune system and gut contents.

I like that description.

Mara

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

>> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

>> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

>> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

>> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

>> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

>

> I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> of bifidobacterium and while some

> strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> positive ones. That is why

> Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> the SCDiet.

Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

SCD.

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 03:12 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote:

Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't

understand why this is not allowed as he thinks it a crucial thing for

kids to put in their guts

Bifidus may be fine for healthy kids to keep them healthy, and for

healthy adults. However, Bifidus is inclined to overgrow like crazy in

the guts of those of us with digestive issues. Many SCDers have reported

major issues with bifidus. I, myself, have inadvertently eaten some (in

yogurt) on two occasions. The first time, I was vilely ill for days. THe

second time, when I realized what I'd done, I scarfed a bunch of

acidophilus, and managed to head off the reaction.

>> Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed.

He said they are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think

they're sugars, but they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they

are an important part of killing off the bad guys <<

Sure -- it feeds the bad bugs and may kill them. But if it kills the bad

ones, it also kills the good ones. Sugar alcohols can also cause

diarrhea and gut cramps -- read the labels on anything sweetened with the

junk, and you'll find that diarrehea and gas is one of the side effects.

We IBS/IBDers sure as Hades don't need that!

>> Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if

we can have fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose <<

Honey is not 100% fructose -- maybe a third of it is fructose.

http://everest.ento.vt.edu/~fell/apiculture/HoneyComposition/honey_composition.htm

There's a major difference between refined fructose (which may very well

contain other sugars which are hard to digest) and a whole food. It's

like the difference between date sugar and dates. Dates are a whole food

(like fruit and honey) but date sugar is a refined product. Also, I will

note that some SCDers have found that they need to go with lower fructose

fruits, and use honey only in small amounts, if at all.

>> Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were

helping the detox to happen - said we really need something like

bentonite clay to help the phase II detox happen. <<

Our bodies require specific nutrients to function properly. If there's

glitch in the absorption of nutrients, the breakdown of toxic stuff to

less toxic which can be gotten rid of won't occur. With SCD, we provide

nutrient-rich foods which our bodies can process and absorb -- something

which can't happen when we're suffering from malabsorption. Cure the

malabsorption, and the body can detox itself without artificial

aids.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for these responses! My chiro is very open to " me teaching him "

(how completely cool is that??) but of course I don't know how to! You guy

helping me understand where the issues lie at least give me enough info to

generate a good discussion with him.

When my daughter was younger, she was diagnosed as being lactose intolerant by

my Pediatrician. When I started going to the chiro he told me she wasn't

lactose intolerant she'd been suffering with an intestinal infection. He put

her on Metagenics Ultra Flora DF (NOT SCD compliant) and she improved

beautifully (and her eczema on her face completely cleared up). We obviously

didn't go far enough at that point. (We've been traveling for 2 years and I

haven't been able to work with him.) She has yeast issues (just judging by the

coating on her tongue) and the eczema on her face and arms (little bumps -

keratosis pilaris??) This is one of the products he'd like her to go on now.

Obviously not OK on this diet. He'd also like her on the Bifoviden ID, which is

also illegal.

It was interesting...I was reading that bifidobacteria is present in breastfed

babies. My girls were not breastfed (didn't know any better at that time) so I

know that has something to do with their issues. Maybe they didn't have that

good bacteria from the start?

Thanks again. I really appreciate the feedback!

Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

, 8, mild asperger's symptoms

Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? (seems to be getting better) yeast?

> >

> >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> >

> > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > positive ones. That is why

> > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> > the SCDiet.

>

> Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> SCD.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

What saddens me here is that the interest in diets and nutrition seems to come

mainly from those in the alternative health field with a few, but rare MD's

involved. I see many people here who have traditional docs but also see other

health care providers- integrative medicine, chiros and so on.

I live in a small town without access to a large variety of providers. The MD's

in my area are excellent, for the most part, and very traditional. The

alternative providers...a bit iffy IMHO. I wish the MD community would take a

closer look at SCD. My own doc dismisses diet altogether. My own preference is

to look at all possible ways of staying healthy. I feel out on a limb with this,

but I keep at it because of the dedication and results of this group.

PJ

> > >

> > >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> > >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> > >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> > >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> > >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> > >

> > > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> > > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > > positive ones. That is why

> > > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> > > the SCDiet.

> >

> > Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> > SCD.

> >

> > Mara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kelley, Your doc sounds absolutely amazing! I really want to be able to find someone like him. Has anyone heard of a natural doctor-type person around Apex, NC?AlyssaHi all,Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting SCD 3months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY nutritionoriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed as he thinksit a crucial thing for kids to put in their gutsSorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He said theyare sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're sugars, butthey're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an important part ofkilling off the bad guysFructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we can havefruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructoseDetoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the detox tohappen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help the phase IIdetox happen.Can anyone offer me some help with this?I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base on these topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit for saving my Dad's life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6 months to live. He did go through radiation and chemo, but judging by the doctors' complete amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the supps/vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE. I've been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had just never heard of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his advice? I guess I'm just looking for someone to help me understand why it's so important to avoid these things that he had some issues with. He was especially passionate about the bifido stuff.Thanks so much!Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09, 8, mild asperger's symptomsSara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

[Guest guest]

I hope you can find someone great Alyssa (I'm sure you'll blow them away with

your knowledge at 15!!

Kelley W.

>

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> > Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting

> > SCD 3

> > months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY

> > nutrition

> > oriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?

> >

> > Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed

> > as he thinks

> > it a crucial thing for kids to put in their guts

> >

> > Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He

> > said they

> > are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're

> > sugars, but

> > they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an

> > important part of

> > killing off the bad guys

> >

> > Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we

> > can have

> > fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose

> >

> > Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the

> > detox to

> > happen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help

> > the phase II

> > detox happen.

> >

> > Can anyone offer me some help with this?

> >

> > I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base

> > on these topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit

> > for saving my Dad's life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland

> > cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6 months to live. He did go

> > through radiation and chemo, but judging by the doctors' complete

> > amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the supps/

> > vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE.

> > I've been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had

> > just never heard of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his

> > advice? I guess I'm just looking for someone to help me understand

> > why it's so important to avoid these things that he had some issues

> > with. He was especially passionate about the bifido stuff.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

> > Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

> > , 8, mild asperger's symptoms

> > Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It saddens me, too. The more I learn, the more I feel that docs will never be

trained to think nutritionally b/c it will put them and big pharma out of

business. I am very thankful that we found our chiro years ago, before my

daughter was diagnosed with Asperger's...he is also a neurologist and has a son

with Asperger's, so I know he's motivated to look at alternatives.

My husband and I have talked about this a lot the past couple days and decided

we need to give SCD 100% for AT LEAST 6 months before we choose anything outside

of it on his advice. Hopefully that will also give the doc time to learn more.

If I don't stick to this diet 100% for a length of time, I will never know

if it can actually work for my daughter.

Kelley W.

> > > >

> > > >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> > > >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> > > >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> > > >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> > > >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> > > >

> > > > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> > > > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > > > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > > > positive ones. That is why

> > > > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> > > > the SCDiet.

> > >

> > > Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> > > SCD.

> > >

> > > Mara

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

don't knock yourself -I breastfed all 4 forever and they've got issues - LOL

anyway my chiro is great too - only go as needed but has metageniics there and I

asked him about them he showed me his book of ingredients and I said not allowed

on the diet and that was that -AVOID illegals - it's great he's open but he

doesn't KNOW scd so you MUST do it with 100% fanatical adherence as stated in

the book

hang in

eileen 16 months scd

> > > >

> > > >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> > > >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> > > >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> > > >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> > > >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> > > >

> > > > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> > > > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > > > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > > > positive ones. That is why

> > > > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> > > > the SCDiet.

> > >

> > > Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> > > SCD.

> > >

> > > Mara

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

not dr fitzgerald is it??

eileen

>

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> > Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting

> > SCD 3

> > months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY

> > nutrition

> > oriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?

> >

> > Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed

> > as he thinks

> > it a crucial thing for kids to put in their guts

> >

> > Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He

> > said they

> > are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're

> > sugars, but

> > they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an

> > important part of

> > killing off the bad guys

> >

> > Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we

> > can have

> > fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose

> >

> > Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the

> > detox to

> > happen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help

> > the phase II

> > detox happen.

> >

> > Can anyone offer me some help with this?

> >

> > I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base

> > on these topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit

> > for saving my Dad's life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland

> > cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6 months to live. He did go

> > through radiation and chemo, but judging by the doctors' complete

> > amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the supps/

> > vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE.

> > I've been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had

> > just never heard of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his

> > advice? I guess I'm just looking for someone to help me understand

> > why it's so important to avoid these things that he had some issues

> > with. He was especially passionate about the bifido stuff.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

> > Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

> > , 8, mild asperger's symptoms

> > Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

mine is Dr. Turnpaugh in PA

Kelley W.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > Today was the first time I've been able to see my doc since starting

> > > SCD 3

> > > months ago. He's actually a chiropractic neurologist, and VERY

> > > nutrition

> > > oriented. Can anyone help me with these issues he has?

> > >

> > > Bifidobacterium (sp?) - he can't understand why this is not allowed

> > > as he thinks

> > > it a crucial thing for kids to put in their guts

> > >

> > > Sorbitol/Xylitol - doesn't understand why these are not allowed. He

> > > said they

> > > are sugar alcohols...the bad bugs eat them b/c they think they're

> > > sugars, but

> > > they're really not and it kills them. He thinks they are an

> > > important part of

> > > killing off the bad guys

> > >

> > > Fructose - he doesn't understand why we can't have fructose if we

> > > can have

> > > fruit, and we can have honey which is 100% fructose

> > >

> > > Detoxing - he was having trouble seeing where we were helping the

> > > detox to

> > > happen - said we really need something like bentonite clay to help

> > > the phase II

> > > detox happen.

> > >

> > > Can anyone offer me some help with this?

> > >

> > > I did forward a bunch of links to him from the BTVC knowledge base

> > > on these topics. This is tough for me b/c I give this guy the credit

> > > for saving my Dad's life. He was diagnosed with salivary gland

> > > cancer (HUGE tumor) and was given 6 months to live. He did go

> > > through radiation and chemo, but judging by the doctors' complete

> > > amazement that he is alive, I attribute his survival to the supps/

> > > vitamins that my chiro put him on. The cancer is completely GONE.

> > > I've been seeing this chiro for years and really trust him. He had

> > > just never heard of SCD. Can you see my dilemma in not taking his

> > > advice? I guess I'm just looking for someone to help me understand

> > > why it's so important to avoid these things that he had some issues

> > > with. He was especially passionate about the bifido stuff.

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

> > >

> > > Kelley W. SCD 2/16/09

> > > , 8, mild asperger's symptoms

> > > Sara, 11, sals/phenols intol? yeast?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Metagenics makes some interesting products, but yes, they are not SCD legal. I

have been curious to know if anyone has tried them- but not on this board!! They

also fall into the " alternative " category even though Metagenics does have MD's

on their board.

PJ

> > > > >

> > > > >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven link

> > > > >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> > > > >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> > > > >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> > > > >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all sorts

> > > > > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > > > > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > > > > positive ones. That is why

> > > > > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them for

> > > > > the SCDiet.

> > > >

> > > > Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> > > > SCD.

> > > >

> > > > Mara

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Some of them are legal...Sheila (on pecanbread) checked out their AdvaClear for

me awhile back b/c my doc wanted my daughter to take it for a few days around

when she gets orthodontist work done.

Kelley W.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> Bifidobacter has been linked to bad reactions. A more unproven

link

> > > > > >> is that Bifidobacter produces an enzyme (pullulanase) that may be

> > > > > >> similar enough to the bacterial enzyme that has been suggested as

> > > > > >> one of the triggers of the autoimmune reaction. That is, it may be

> > > > > >> a direct trigger for the Crohn's immune reaction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it is more complex than this. Apparently there are all

sorts

> > > > > > of bifidobacterium and while some

> > > > > > strains are linked to a negative reaction, others are linked to

> > > > > > positive ones. That is why

> > > > > > Natasha McBride (or whatever her name is) has okayed them

for

> > > > > > the SCDiet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Oops, big mistake - not the SCDiet, the GAPS diet, which is based on

> > > > > SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mara

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When I met my new GI, I told her about SCD and she was very interested. She

wrote down everything I said, so I assume she planned on looking into it at

least a little. She was also happy to hear that I was taking enzymes, which is

kind of unusual with most docs. If she ends up being an SCD supporter, I'll

share her name.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> What saddens me here is that the interest in diets and nutrition seems to come

mainly from those in the alternative health field with a few, but rare MD's

involved. I see many people here who have traditional docs but also see other

health care providers- integrative medicine, chiros and so on.

>

> I live in a small town without access to a large variety of providers. The

MD's in my area are excellent, for the most part, and very traditional. The

alternative providers...a bit iffy IMHO. I wish the MD community would take a

closer look at SCD. My own doc dismisses diet altogether. My own preference is

to look at all possible ways of staying healthy. I feel out on a limb with this,

but I keep at it because of the dedication and results of this group.

>

> PJ

>