Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 That being said, at least it might give my one yr old a chance to live a "normal" life. I dont care about myself, I would love for her to have a light at the end of the tunnel. I am very optimistic about this. I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people.Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 That being said, at least it might give my one yr old a chance to live a "normal" life. I dont care about myself, I would love for her to have a light at the end of the tunnel. I am very optimistic about this. I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people.Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I'm so glad that research is being done. Each attempt, successful all the way to human consumption or not, increases awareness in the scientific community, stimulates new ideas for possible treatments and leads us closer to making celiac more manageable, more "mainstream" and hopefully better diagnosed. Vicki Orange, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I'm so glad that research is being done. Each attempt, successful all the way to human consumption or not, increases awareness in the scientific community, stimulates new ideas for possible treatments and leads us closer to making celiac more manageable, more "mainstream" and hopefully better diagnosed. Vicki Orange, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Public release date: 30-Jun-2006 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/aps-csn062206.php Contact: Mayer Resnick mresnick@... American Physiological Society Celiac success: New enzyme efficiently degrades gluten in 'human stomach' environment End of the gluten-free diet in sight? Bethesda, MD (June 30, 2006) - A new enzyme originally developed for commercial food processing turns out to also quickly and nearly-completely break down whole gluten molecules as well as the T cell stimulatory peptides that cause celiac disease, a digestive disease with no current effective treatment other than avoiding wheat, barley or rye products. In addition, the enzyme operates best in just the kind of physiological environment found in the human stomach and works 60 times faster than an earlier promising enzyme, which was not effective in acidic conditions and was inactivated by pepsin, both of which are found in the stomach. " On the basis of our results, there now is a realistic chance that oral supplementation with an enzyme can ensure gluten degradation in the stomach before reaching the small intestine, where it causes problems for people with celiac disease, " according to Frits Koning, researcher at the Leiden University Medical Center, The Netherlands, who headed the team that has published a new research paper on its work. The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is in the online American Journal of Physiology- Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van Veelen and Frits Koning of Leiden University Medical Center, the Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft. Clinical trials are likely next step The new prolyl endoprotease (PEP) that was studied is derived from Aspergillus niger (AN), a common fungus. Strains of A. niger are used in industrial production of citric and gluconic acid as well as producing several food grade enzymes. Because there are no animal models of celiac disease, " the in vivo efficacy of AN-PEP for gluten detoxification will ultimately have to be addressed in clinical studies involving celiac patients. AN-PEP appears to be a prime candidate for such clinical trials, " the paper concluded. As for the timing of any such trials, Koning said: " This is an option the team hopes to explore in the future. " A disease of many paradoxes Celiac disease affects about 2 million Americans and is also found in Europe, India and parts of the Middle East. It's caused by an uncontrolled immune response to wheat gluten and similar proteins of rye and barley that cause diarrhea, malnutrition and failure to thrive because it inhibits nutritional uptake. " It's a Caucasian disease with a wide spectrum of symptoms; not all patients are equally affected, but we do not understand why this is the case, " Koning said. " It is known to be associated with the HLA-DQ2 gene, " he noted, " but while about 25% of the white population has this gene, only about one in 100 get the disease, so it's really a quite puzzling disease in many ways. " Currently the only way to elude the disease symptoms is by avoiding wheat, barley and rye products. " It sounds easy, but gluten especially is widespread in Western diets, " Koning said. Gluten is often used as a food additive because it adds protein content inexpensively and also gives dough its elasticity and stickiness, which helps in manufacturing. For instance, Koning said: " Celiac patients can eat potato chips, but not if they have added paprika or other spices because they're 'glued' to the chip with gluten. " AN-PEP outstrips earlier enzyme by 60-fold Earlier attempts at finding non-human proteases for gluten detoxification (first proposed in the late 1950s) focused on prolyl oligopeptidases (POP), most notably FM-POP, which was able to break down gluten sequences in vitro. However FM-POP's optimal operating pH is between 7 and 8, so it didn't work well in the more acidic stomach pH that goes down to 2 at one stage. A combination of pH 2 and pepsin " immediately inactivated FM-POP, " the paper said. AN-PEP, on the other hand, is active from pH 2-8, with optimum effect around pH 4. The combination of pH 2 and pepsin didn't affect AN-PEP activity. " An effective enzymatic treatment for celiac diseases requires means of destroying all or at least the vast majority of gluten derived T cell stimulatory sequences, " the paper said. The key to this is to break the large gluten molecules (large peptides and intact proteins) into smaller pieces before they leave the stomach. Because food stays in the stomach one to four hours, speed of protein degradation is also important. Mass spectrometry comparisons showed that " degradation of gluten peptides by AN-PEP was on average [about 4 minutes, or] 60 times faster than degradation by FM-POP, " the paper reported. In addition to its ability to perform as a potential oral enzymatic therapy because it " is capable of degrading intact gluten molecules and T cell stimulatory epitopes from gluten into harmless fragments " AN-PEP has several additional commercial advantages, the paper said: " The enzyme is extremely stable and can be produced at acceptable cost at food grade quality in an industry setting. " Celiac disease is an HLA-linked disease related to Type 1 diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis in which autoimmune reactions cause the disease; similarly, immune reactions can lead to organ transplant rejection. Koning said it " isn't likely that AN-PEP would be of any therapeutic value in any of these HLA-associated diseases " because Type 1 diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis are real autoimmune diseases, where the immune system attacks parts of the body. In celiac disease, it is the gluten that is the target, not the body. Reminder warning on early introduction of gluten products Koning said feeding wheat (or barley or rye) products to infants before they're 6 months old isn't recommended because once an immune response develops " immuno-memory builds up and it doesn't go away. " Indeed, Koning noted that in Sweden some years ago gluten was introduced into baby food, which led to a five-fold increase in celiac disease. The problem disappeared when gluten was removed. ### Source and funding/support The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is in the online American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van Veelen and Frits Koning, Department of Immunohematology and Blood Transfusion, Leiden University Medical Center, Leiden, the Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft, a subsidiary of Koninklijke DSM N.V., a Dutch chemical conglomerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people. Maureen > > Public release date: 30-Jun-2006 > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/aps-csn062206.php > > Contact: Mayer Resnick > mresnick@... > > American Physiological Society > > Celiac success: New enzyme efficiently degrades gluten in 'human > stomach' environment > > End of the gluten-free diet in sight? > > Bethesda, MD (June 30, 2006) - A new enzyme originally developed for > commercial food processing turns out to also quickly and > nearly-completely break down whole gluten molecules as well as the T > cell stimulatory peptides that cause celiac disease, a digestive > disease with no current effective treatment other than avoiding > wheat, barley or rye products. > > In addition, the enzyme operates best in just the kind of > physiological environment found in the human stomach and works 60 > times faster than an earlier promising enzyme, which was not > effective in acidic conditions and was inactivated by pepsin, both of > which are found in the stomach. > > " On the basis of our results, there now is a realistic chance that > oral supplementation with an enzyme can ensure gluten degradation in > the stomach before reaching the small intestine, where it causes > problems for people with celiac disease, " according to Frits Koning, > researcher at the Leiden University Medical Center, The Netherlands, > who headed the team that has published a new research paper on its > work. > > The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly > identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is > in the online American Journal of Physiology- Gastrointestinal and > Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. > Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina > Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van > Veelen and Frits Koning of Leiden University Medical Center, the > Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft. > > Clinical trials are likely next step > > The new prolyl endoprotease (PEP) that was studied is derived from > Aspergillus niger (AN), a common fungus. Strains of A. niger are used > in industrial production of citric and gluconic acid as well as > producing several food grade enzymes. > > Because there are no animal models of celiac disease, " the in vivo > efficacy of AN-PEP for gluten detoxification will ultimately have to > be addressed in clinical studies involving celiac patients. AN-PEP > appears to be a prime candidate for such clinical trials, " the paper > concluded. As for the timing of any such trials, Koning said: " This > is an option the team hopes to explore in the future. " > > A disease of many paradoxes > > Celiac disease affects about 2 million Americans and is also found in > Europe, India and parts of the Middle East. It's caused by an > uncontrolled immune response to wheat gluten and similar proteins of > rye and barley that cause diarrhea, malnutrition and failure to thrive > because it inhibits nutritional uptake. > > " It's a Caucasian disease with a wide spectrum of symptoms; not all > patients are equally affected, but we do not understand why this is > the case, " Koning said. " It is known to be associated with the HLA- DQ2 > gene, " he noted, " but while about 25% of the white population has this > gene, only about one in 100 get the disease, so it's really a quite > puzzling disease in many ways. " > > Currently the only way to elude the disease symptoms is by avoiding > wheat, barley and rye products. " It sounds easy, but gluten especially > is widespread in Western diets, " Koning said. Gluten is often used as > a food additive because it adds protein content inexpensively and also > gives dough its elasticity and stickiness, which helps in > manufacturing. > > For instance, Koning said: " Celiac patients can eat potato chips, but > not if they have added paprika or other spices because > they're 'glued' to the chip with gluten. " > > AN-PEP outstrips earlier enzyme by 60-fold > > Earlier attempts at finding non-human proteases for gluten > detoxification (first proposed in the late 1950s) focused on prolyl > oligopeptidases (POP), most notably FM-POP, which was able to break > down gluten sequences in vitro. However FM-POP's optimal operating pH > is between 7 and 8, so it didn't work well in the more acidic stomach > pH that goes down to 2 at one stage. A combination of pH 2 and pepsin > " immediately inactivated FM-POP, " the paper said. AN-PEP, on the other > hand, is active from pH 2-8, with optimum effect around pH 4. The > combination of pH 2 and pepsin didn't affect AN-PEP activity. > > " An effective enzymatic treatment for celiac diseases requires means > of destroying all or at least the vast majority of gluten derived T > cell stimulatory sequences, " the paper said. The key to this is to > break the large gluten molecules (large peptides and intact proteins) > into smaller pieces before they leave the stomach. Because food stays > in the stomach one to four hours, speed of protein degradation is > also important. Mass spectrometry comparisons showed > that " degradation of gluten peptides by AN-PEP was on average [about > 4 minutes, or] 60 times faster than degradation by FM-POP, " the paper > reported. > > In addition to its ability to perform as a potential oral enzymatic > therapy because it " is capable of degrading intact gluten molecules > and T cell stimulatory epitopes from gluten into harmless fragments " > AN-PEP has several additional commercial advantages, the paper > said: " The enzyme is extremely stable and can be produced at > acceptable cost at food grade quality in an industry setting. " > > Celiac disease is an HLA-linked disease related to Type 1 diabetes and > rheumatoid arthritis in which autoimmune reactions cause the disease; > similarly, immune reactions can lead to organ transplant rejection. > Koning said it " isn't likely that AN-PEP would be of any therapeutic > value in any of these HLA-associated diseases " because Type 1 diabetes > and rheumatoid arthritis are real autoimmune diseases, where the > immune system attacks parts of the body. In celiac disease, it is the > gluten that is the target, not the body. > > Reminder warning on early introduction of gluten products > > Koning said feeding wheat (or barley or rye) products to infants > before they're 6 months old isn't recommended because once an immune > response develops " immuno-memory builds up and it doesn't go away. " > Indeed, Koning noted that in Sweden some years ago gluten was > introduced into baby food, which led to a five-fold increase in > celiac disease. The problem disappeared when gluten was removed. > ### > Source and funding/support > > The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly > identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is > in the online American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and > Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. > Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina > Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van > Veelen and Frits Koning, Department of Immunohematology and Blood > Transfusion, Leiden University Medical Center, Leiden, the > Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft, a > subsidiary of Koninklijke DSM N.V., a Dutch chemical conglomerate. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people. Maureen > > Public release date: 30-Jun-2006 > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/aps-csn062206.php > > Contact: Mayer Resnick > mresnick@... > > American Physiological Society > > Celiac success: New enzyme efficiently degrades gluten in 'human > stomach' environment > > End of the gluten-free diet in sight? > > Bethesda, MD (June 30, 2006) - A new enzyme originally developed for > commercial food processing turns out to also quickly and > nearly-completely break down whole gluten molecules as well as the T > cell stimulatory peptides that cause celiac disease, a digestive > disease with no current effective treatment other than avoiding > wheat, barley or rye products. > > In addition, the enzyme operates best in just the kind of > physiological environment found in the human stomach and works 60 > times faster than an earlier promising enzyme, which was not > effective in acidic conditions and was inactivated by pepsin, both of > which are found in the stomach. > > " On the basis of our results, there now is a realistic chance that > oral supplementation with an enzyme can ensure gluten degradation in > the stomach before reaching the small intestine, where it causes > problems for people with celiac disease, " according to Frits Koning, > researcher at the Leiden University Medical Center, The Netherlands, > who headed the team that has published a new research paper on its > work. > > The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly > identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is > in the online American Journal of Physiology- Gastrointestinal and > Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. > Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina > Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van > Veelen and Frits Koning of Leiden University Medical Center, the > Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft. > > Clinical trials are likely next step > > The new prolyl endoprotease (PEP) that was studied is derived from > Aspergillus niger (AN), a common fungus. Strains of A. niger are used > in industrial production of citric and gluconic acid as well as > producing several food grade enzymes. > > Because there are no animal models of celiac disease, " the in vivo > efficacy of AN-PEP for gluten detoxification will ultimately have to > be addressed in clinical studies involving celiac patients. AN-PEP > appears to be a prime candidate for such clinical trials, " the paper > concluded. As for the timing of any such trials, Koning said: " This > is an option the team hopes to explore in the future. " > > A disease of many paradoxes > > Celiac disease affects about 2 million Americans and is also found in > Europe, India and parts of the Middle East. It's caused by an > uncontrolled immune response to wheat gluten and similar proteins of > rye and barley that cause diarrhea, malnutrition and failure to thrive > because it inhibits nutritional uptake. > > " It's a Caucasian disease with a wide spectrum of symptoms; not all > patients are equally affected, but we do not understand why this is > the case, " Koning said. " It is known to be associated with the HLA- DQ2 > gene, " he noted, " but while about 25% of the white population has this > gene, only about one in 100 get the disease, so it's really a quite > puzzling disease in many ways. " > > Currently the only way to elude the disease symptoms is by avoiding > wheat, barley and rye products. " It sounds easy, but gluten especially > is widespread in Western diets, " Koning said. Gluten is often used as > a food additive because it adds protein content inexpensively and also > gives dough its elasticity and stickiness, which helps in > manufacturing. > > For instance, Koning said: " Celiac patients can eat potato chips, but > not if they have added paprika or other spices because > they're 'glued' to the chip with gluten. " > > AN-PEP outstrips earlier enzyme by 60-fold > > Earlier attempts at finding non-human proteases for gluten > detoxification (first proposed in the late 1950s) focused on prolyl > oligopeptidases (POP), most notably FM-POP, which was able to break > down gluten sequences in vitro. However FM-POP's optimal operating pH > is between 7 and 8, so it didn't work well in the more acidic stomach > pH that goes down to 2 at one stage. A combination of pH 2 and pepsin > " immediately inactivated FM-POP, " the paper said. AN-PEP, on the other > hand, is active from pH 2-8, with optimum effect around pH 4. The > combination of pH 2 and pepsin didn't affect AN-PEP activity. > > " An effective enzymatic treatment for celiac diseases requires means > of destroying all or at least the vast majority of gluten derived T > cell stimulatory sequences, " the paper said. The key to this is to > break the large gluten molecules (large peptides and intact proteins) > into smaller pieces before they leave the stomach. Because food stays > in the stomach one to four hours, speed of protein degradation is > also important. Mass spectrometry comparisons showed > that " degradation of gluten peptides by AN-PEP was on average [about > 4 minutes, or] 60 times faster than degradation by FM-POP, " the paper > reported. > > In addition to its ability to perform as a potential oral enzymatic > therapy because it " is capable of degrading intact gluten molecules > and T cell stimulatory epitopes from gluten into harmless fragments " > AN-PEP has several additional commercial advantages, the paper > said: " The enzyme is extremely stable and can be produced at > acceptable cost at food grade quality in an industry setting. " > > Celiac disease is an HLA-linked disease related to Type 1 diabetes and > rheumatoid arthritis in which autoimmune reactions cause the disease; > similarly, immune reactions can lead to organ transplant rejection. > Koning said it " isn't likely that AN-PEP would be of any therapeutic > value in any of these HLA-associated diseases " because Type 1 diabetes > and rheumatoid arthritis are real autoimmune diseases, where the > immune system attacks parts of the body. In celiac disease, it is the > gluten that is the target, not the body. > > Reminder warning on early introduction of gluten products > > Koning said feeding wheat (or barley or rye) products to infants > before they're 6 months old isn't recommended because once an immune > response develops " immuno-memory builds up and it doesn't go away. " > Indeed, Koning noted that in Sweden some years ago gluten was > introduced into baby food, which led to a five-fold increase in > celiac disease. The problem disappeared when gluten was removed. > ### > Source and funding/support > > The paper, " Highly efficient gluten degradation with a newly > identified prolyl endoprotease: implications for celiac disease, " is > in the online American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and > Liver Physiology, published by The American Physiological Society. > Research was by Dariusz Stepniak, Liesbeth Spaenij-Dekking, Cristina > Mitea, e Moester, Arnoud de Ru, Baak-Pablo, van > Veelen and Frits Koning, Department of Immunohematology and Blood > Transfusion, Leiden University Medical Center, Leiden, the > Netherlands, and Luppo Edens of DSM Food Specialties, Delft, a > subsidiary of Koninklijke DSM N.V., a Dutch chemical conglomerate. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have traveled worldwide repeatedly since diagnosis and eat out at least 5x a week. It doesnt slow *me* down - I just dont want my daughter to worry about it if she doesnt have to. It will be SO much easier on her and she wont feel left out of school parties, et al. Im sure any parent on here would prefer that for their child. Thats what I mean by "normal". We already lead "normal" lives, and have always done so. Celiac is as big as you let it be: we travel (extensively), eat out, eat with friends, my son is on a sports team, goes to day camp, goes to art workshops, etc. We just do more prep work than other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have traveled worldwide repeatedly since diagnosis and eat out at least 5x a week. It doesnt slow *me* down - I just dont want my daughter to worry about it if she doesnt have to. It will be SO much easier on her and she wont feel left out of school parties, et al. Im sure any parent on here would prefer that for their child. Thats what I mean by "normal". We already lead "normal" lives, and have always done so. Celiac is as big as you let it be: we travel (extensively), eat out, eat with friends, my son is on a sports team, goes to day camp, goes to art workshops, etc. We just do more prep work than other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 We already lead " normal " lives, and have always done so. Celiac is as big as you let it be: we travel (extensively), eat out, eat with friends, my son is on a sports team, goes to day camp, goes to art workshops, etc. We just do more prep work than other people. Breaking down gluten, which is the claim for this new enzyme, is only one very small piece of treating celiac disease. They also need to prove that the gluten byproducts are safe, and that the enzyme itself is safe. For example, I am highly allergic to aspergillus (as are many people) how would people who react to aspergillus react to the isolated enzyme? What would the side effects of taking the enzyme be? And there is a 100% chance there will be side effects - the question is how big or how bad they will be. And how will they test this? If you are familiar with human subject protocols it becomes immediately apparent the ethics of such tests are very difficult. Normally to prove effectiveness a blind study would be done where subjects do not know if they receive the study drug or a placebo; to test this subjects would have to both take the drug and eat gluten. In a situation where it is known that subjects getting the placebo will be harmed by eating gluten how do researchers ethically test? Also, molds, such as aspergillus are notorious for causing adverse effects in humans. Much of the mania associated with the Salem witch trials was believed to caused by grain contaminated with a mold. Maybe this drug *many years from now* will help some celiacs. But we will continue to lead our normal lives until then. Maureen > > > That being said, at least it might give my one yr old a chance to live a > " normal " life. I dont care about myself, I would love for her to have a light > at the end of the tunnel. I am very optimistic about this. > > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2006 12:02:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > marcianar@... writes: > I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least > 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works > in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people. > > Maureen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 We already lead " normal " lives, and have always done so. Celiac is as big as you let it be: we travel (extensively), eat out, eat with friends, my son is on a sports team, goes to day camp, goes to art workshops, etc. We just do more prep work than other people. Breaking down gluten, which is the claim for this new enzyme, is only one very small piece of treating celiac disease. They also need to prove that the gluten byproducts are safe, and that the enzyme itself is safe. For example, I am highly allergic to aspergillus (as are many people) how would people who react to aspergillus react to the isolated enzyme? What would the side effects of taking the enzyme be? And there is a 100% chance there will be side effects - the question is how big or how bad they will be. And how will they test this? If you are familiar with human subject protocols it becomes immediately apparent the ethics of such tests are very difficult. Normally to prove effectiveness a blind study would be done where subjects do not know if they receive the study drug or a placebo; to test this subjects would have to both take the drug and eat gluten. In a situation where it is known that subjects getting the placebo will be harmed by eating gluten how do researchers ethically test? Also, molds, such as aspergillus are notorious for causing adverse effects in humans. Much of the mania associated with the Salem witch trials was believed to caused by grain contaminated with a mold. Maybe this drug *many years from now* will help some celiacs. But we will continue to lead our normal lives until then. Maureen > > > That being said, at least it might give my one yr old a chance to live a > " normal " life. I dont care about myself, I would love for her to have a light > at the end of the tunnel. I am very optimistic about this. > > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2006 12:02:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > marcianar@... writes: > I'm not holding my breath for this - there will need to be at least > 15+ years more research before this reaches the market. What works > in the lab quite often doesn't work in living, breathing people. > > Maureen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have to say I am with you Maureen. I will not hold my breath. There are a few things in here that just don't make sense to me. I did not think that celiac was a problem with " degrading " the gluten protein. " I thought it was an immunological response to the protein whereby the body caused damage to the intestine (and our other odd symptom areas). They even admit that this probably would not be therapeutic to " real autoimmune disease " like T-1 diabetes and RA, because the immune system is attacking the body. Isn't that exactly what happens with celiac? If the immune system attacks the gluten protein like they say..... wouldn't that be more an actual allergy much like those with nuts or soy? Those are reactions where the immune system attacks the molecule itself much like an intruder. It acts in the stomach and breaks down the gluten " before reaching the small intestine, where it causes problems for people with celiac disease. " ????? And if it truely takes 1-4 hours for the gluten to ever reach the intestine...... then why do so many of us start having problems within minutes of an exposure???? Why do so many of us have gastric upset if the reaction doesn't take place until the intestine???? I find this hard to make sense of their standpoint. " Gluten is often used as a food additive because it adds protein content.... " Wheat starch is often used. Exactly how much dietary protein is in STARCH???? " Celiac patients can eat potato chips, but not if they have added paprika or other spices because they're 'glued' to the chip with gluten. " Excuse me... how do other companies do it without gluten????? Like Cool Ranch Doritos??? To me they are only citing what fits their cause. " An effective enzymatic treatment for celiac diseases requires means of destroying all or at least the vast majority of gluten... " Again, if so many of us get incredibly ill from even minute cross-contamination, how is removing " the vast majority " going to help us? And can we be assured that the risks to other diseases truely goes back down to that of the general population? It took me more that 40 years for them to figure out what was wrong with me..... I'll be darned if I will go back to square one at this point. " Koning noted that in Sweden some years ago gluten was introduced into baby food, which led to a five-fold increase in celiac disease. The problem disappeared when gluten was removed. " Perhaps it wasn't the introduction of gluten into the baby food at a young age that " caused " celiac disease as much as making visible what was already there. Not that I enjoy how much tougher a GF diet has made my life, or that I wouldn't like them to find a cure, but there just seem to be too many holes in there way of thinking on this one. And the fact that it is funded by a chemical conglomerate? It is just way to easy to spin things to fit your way of thinking. To me, this has been spun to fit their need - not necessarily ours. Just my opinion. Cheryl in MN Cheryl rxp_us@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have to say I am with you Maureen. I will not hold my breath. There are a few things in here that just don't make sense to me. I did not think that celiac was a problem with " degrading " the gluten protein. " I thought it was an immunological response to the protein whereby the body caused damage to the intestine (and our other odd symptom areas). They even admit that this probably would not be therapeutic to " real autoimmune disease " like T-1 diabetes and RA, because the immune system is attacking the body. Isn't that exactly what happens with celiac? If the immune system attacks the gluten protein like they say..... wouldn't that be more an actual allergy much like those with nuts or soy? Those are reactions where the immune system attacks the molecule itself much like an intruder. It acts in the stomach and breaks down the gluten " before reaching the small intestine, where it causes problems for people with celiac disease. " ????? And if it truely takes 1-4 hours for the gluten to ever reach the intestine...... then why do so many of us start having problems within minutes of an exposure???? Why do so many of us have gastric upset if the reaction doesn't take place until the intestine???? I find this hard to make sense of their standpoint. " Gluten is often used as a food additive because it adds protein content.... " Wheat starch is often used. Exactly how much dietary protein is in STARCH???? " Celiac patients can eat potato chips, but not if they have added paprika or other spices because they're 'glued' to the chip with gluten. " Excuse me... how do other companies do it without gluten????? Like Cool Ranch Doritos??? To me they are only citing what fits their cause. " An effective enzymatic treatment for celiac diseases requires means of destroying all or at least the vast majority of gluten... " Again, if so many of us get incredibly ill from even minute cross-contamination, how is removing " the vast majority " going to help us? And can we be assured that the risks to other diseases truely goes back down to that of the general population? It took me more that 40 years for them to figure out what was wrong with me..... I'll be darned if I will go back to square one at this point. " Koning noted that in Sweden some years ago gluten was introduced into baby food, which led to a five-fold increase in celiac disease. The problem disappeared when gluten was removed. " Perhaps it wasn't the introduction of gluten into the baby food at a young age that " caused " celiac disease as much as making visible what was already there. Not that I enjoy how much tougher a GF diet has made my life, or that I wouldn't like them to find a cure, but there just seem to be too many holes in there way of thinking on this one. And the fact that it is funded by a chemical conglomerate? It is just way to easy to spin things to fit your way of thinking. To me, this has been spun to fit their need - not necessarily ours. Just my opinion. Cheryl in MN Cheryl rxp_us@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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