Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:57:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, berke@... writes: I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the statement that because deaf/hoh kids learn to deal with discrimination in school, that alone prepares them for job search discrimination. I think that you were lucky to not encounter job discrimination until college. My guess is any D/HOH high school student looking to work at Mcs would encounter it. I asked my son (15) about this topic and his response was pretty standard Ian -- he seemed surprised that anyone would be surprised by it, " of course it exists. " He hasn't encountered job discrimination yet because he is not old enough to work in most places yet. But he fully expects to. He's encountered the same attitudes in so many other ways that he fully expects it and has no intention of worrying about it. As far as he's concerned, once he gets to the point of the interview, he'll get or lose the job on his own merits. He doesn't want to work for someone who thinks he's stupid or unqualified because of his hearing. " It's their loss. " Yes, he cavalier about it now. But I think that's the right attitude. He can't change it, so he'll deal with it as it comes and not worry until it's here. Since he'll be 16 soon enough, we'll see how the after-school job hunt goes. He already knows he needs to work to pay for his share of the car insurance. Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 In a message dated 3/15/2006 10:12:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Barbara.T.Mellert@... writes: The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " concerns. I actually went to our school principal about it since fencing was being held at our elementary school and it needs to be equal access! Did they spell out the safety concern? I know Ian is incredibly graceful and coordinated because of his karate training, and I imagine Tom is the same -- even better! I might push this just to make them spell out what their concerns are and then hopefully show it to be a load of hogwash. Even if Ian wasn't interested in going after being treated poorly. That kind of stuff just gets me mad. We encountered a bit of this kind of stuff at Ian's karate school when he was having trouble with his asthma. The teacher would get annoyed when Ian would hustle off the mat to use his inhaler. He was annoyed if Ian asked permission -- for interrupting, and if he didn't ask -- for being rude. If Ian asked the teacher to repeat or explain, he'd get made as though Ian wasn't paying attention. The teacher and I had a, um, pointed talk and he apologized for being a jerk. That was just part of the issues I had with that school, the guy started getting really weird about some things and for a variety of reasons, we pulled Ian from that school and went to another. You know things aren't quite kosher when some of the students are being disqualified for using dangerous moves in tournaments -- moves taught them by their instructor. Ian was/is good and the new school was delighted to have him. Hearing loss, asthma and everything. Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when Tom wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " concerns. I actually went to our school principal about it since fencing was being held at our elementary school and it needs to be equal access! GRRRR Her loss - Tom would have been good. Barbara JillcWood@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:57:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > berke@... writes: > > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the statement that because > deaf/hoh kids learn to deal with discrimination in school, that alone > prepares them for job search discrimination. > > > > I think that you were lucky to not encounter job discrimination until > college. My guess is any D/HOH high school student looking to work at Mcs > would encounter it. > > I asked my son (15) about this topic and his response was pretty standard > Ian -- he seemed surprised that anyone would be surprised by it, " of course it > exists. " He hasn't encountered job discrimination yet because he is not old > enough to work in most places yet. But he fully expects to. He's encountered > the same attitudes in so many other ways that he fully expects it and has no > intention of worrying about it. As far as he's concerned, once he gets to the > point of the interview, he'll get or lose the job on his own merits. He > doesn't want to work for someone who thinks he's stupid or unqualified because of > his hearing. " It's their loss. " > > Yes, he cavalier about it now. But I think that's the right attitude. He > can't change it, so he'll deal with it as it comes and not worry until it's > here. Since he'll be 16 soon enough, we'll see how the after-school job hunt > goes. He already knows he needs to work to pay for his share of the car > insurance. > > Best -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Barbara, My son did fencing at school. Maybe his teacher could talk with your son's? Re: Already Prepared... We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when Tom wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " concerns. I actually went to our school principal about it since fencing was being held at our elementary school and it needs to be equal access! GRRRR Her loss - Tom would have been good. Barbara JillcWood@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:57:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > berke@... writes: > > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the statement that because > deaf/hoh kids learn to deal with discrimination in school, that alone > prepares them for job search discrimination. > > > > I think that you were lucky to not encounter job discrimination until > college. My guess is any D/HOH high school student looking to work at Mcs > would encounter it. > > I asked my son (15) about this topic and his response was pretty standard > Ian -- he seemed surprised that anyone would be surprised by it, " of course it > exists. " He hasn't encountered job discrimination yet because he is not old > enough to work in most places yet. But he fully expects to. He's encountered > the same attitudes in so many other ways that he fully expects it and has no > intention of worrying about it. As far as he's concerned, once he gets to the > point of the interview, he'll get or lose the job on his own merits. He > doesn't want to work for someone who thinks he's stupid or unqualified because of > his hearing. " It's their loss. " > > Yes, he cavalier about it now. But I think that's the right attitude. He > can't change it, so he'll deal with it as it comes and not worry until it's > here. Since he'll be 16 soon enough, we'll see how the after-school job hunt > goes. He already knows he needs to work to pay for his share of the car > insurance. > > Best -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Thanks, - we decided not to pursue it and since it's moved from the school location it's in another town which wouldn't be convenient. But still... Their loss! Barbara stromms@... wrote: > Barbara, > > My son did fencing at school. Maybe his teacher could talk with your > son's? > > > > Re: Already Prepared... > > We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when > Tom > wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in > Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, > etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " > concerns. I actually went to our school principal about it since > fencing was being held at our elementary school and it needs to be > equal > access! GRRRR Her loss - Tom would have been good. > > Barbara > > JillcWood@... wrote: > >> In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:57:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> berke@... writes: >> >> I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with the statement that because >> deaf/hoh kids learn to deal with discrimination in school, that >> > alone > >> prepares them for job search discrimination. >> >> >> >> I think that you were lucky to not encounter job discrimination until >> > > >> college. My guess is any D/HOH high school student looking to work at >> > Mcs > >> would encounter it. >> >> I asked my son (15) about this topic and his response was pretty >> > standard > >> Ian -- he seemed surprised that anyone would be surprised by it, " of >> > course it > > >> exists. " He hasn't encountered job discrimination yet because he is >> > not old > >> enough to work in most places yet. But he fully expects to. He's >> > encountered > >> the same attitudes in so many other ways that he fully expects it >> > and has no > >> intention of worrying about it. As far as he's concerned, once he >> > gets to the > > >> point of the interview, he'll get or lose the job on his own merits. >> > He > >> doesn't want to work for someone who thinks he's stupid or >> > unqualified > because of > >> his hearing. " It's their loss. " >> >> Yes, he cavalier about it now. But I think that's the right attitude. >> > He > >> can't change it, so he'll deal with it as it comes and not worry >> > until it's > >> here. Since he'll be 16 soon enough, we'll see how the after-school >> > job hunt > >> goes. He already knows he needs to work to pay for his share of the >> > car > >> insurance. >> >> Best -- Jill >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 > We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when > Tom > wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in > Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, > etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " > concerns. Sorry to learn about this Barbara. JD participates in a form of fencing (Rapier - think 3 Musketeers) and we really haven't run into any safety issues. I've embroidered the international sign for hearing loss http://www.listen-up.org/kitty/emb/pix/no-hear.gif on the front and back of his competition tunic to remind both his opponent and the rapier marshal that he has some hearing problems and may not know what they're saying, especially the opponent who has a fencing mask on. He also carries 4 scarves (red scarves with some metal washers sewn in the center to weight them down) and hands them to the Marshall (referee) when he walks onto the field. Whenever the marshal needs to call a 'hold' or anything like that, he just throws a marker across JD's field of vision. We do this through the Society of Creative Anachronism and he's been doing this off and on for about 6 years or so now. Hugs, Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Now that is sad! that sucks...especially since he is a black belt and really has a knowledge of safety and things of that nature. wow...this is what i have to look forward to...yikes! Listen Up! wrote: > We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when > Tom > wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in > Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, > etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " > concerns. Sorry to learn about this Barbara. JD participates in a form of fencing (Rapier - think 3 Musketeers) and we really haven't run into any safety issues. I've embroidered the international sign for hearing loss http://www.listen-up.org/kitty/emb/pix/no-hear.gif on the front and back of his competition tunic to remind both his opponent and the rapier marshal that he has some hearing problems and may not know what they're saying, especially the opponent who has a fencing mask on. He also carries 4 scarves (red scarves with some metal washers sewn in the center to weight them down) and hands them to the Marshall (referee) when he walks onto the field. Whenever the marshal needs to call a 'hold' or anything like that, he just throws a marker across JD's field of vision. We do this through the Society of Creative Anachronism and he's been doing this off and on for about 6 years or so now. Hugs, Kay All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I think the woman heard that he's deaf and just closed down - her loss I think. I was really angry when it happened - they just didn't want to give him a chance. Keisha wrote: > Now that is sad! that sucks...especially since he is a black belt and really has a knowledge of safety and things of that nature. wow...this is what i have to look forward to...yikes! > > Listen Up! wrote: > We've run into discrimination now and again - the latest was when > >> Tom >> wanted to take fencing. Bear in mind that Tom is a black belt in >> Taekwondo - so he's well able to handle himself, understands safety, >> etc. The fencing teacher wouldn't let Tom enroll because of " safety " >> concerns. >> > > Sorry to learn about this Barbara. JD participates in a form of fencing > (Rapier - think 3 Musketeers) and we really haven't run into any safety > issues. I've embroidered the international sign for hearing loss > http://www.listen-up.org/kitty/emb/pix/no-hear.gif on the front and back of > his competition tunic to remind both his opponent and the rapier marshal > that he has some hearing problems and may not know what they're saying, > especially the opponent who has a fencing mask on. He also carries 4 scarves > (red scarves with some metal washers sewn in the center to weight them down) > and hands them to the Marshall (referee) when he walks onto the field. > Whenever the marshal needs to call a 'hold' or anything like that, he just > throws a marker across JD's field of vision. We do this through the Society > of Creative Anachronism and he's been doing this off and on for about 6 > years or so now. > > Hugs, > Kay > > > > > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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