Re: New test results

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Ok, Sue, so I spoke too soon. I woke up this morning with a fast

heartbeat that goes away in about an hour. My hair is like straw and

MY FEET ARE COLD! I've never had cold feet in the summer, so I must

be going really hypo. I'm on 1.5 grains Armour, but the attempt at 2

grains last week was unsuccessful. It's like I'm hyper and hypo at

the same time and it's driving me crazy.

Are you just taking the Cytomel, or are you taking T4 and Cytomel?

Either way, can you tell me the dosage for each? I was on 100mcg

Eltroxin about a month ago and my labs were actually pretty good,

although I could bump up the T3 a little.

I think I'm ready to give up on the Armour, but I'm thinking of adding

just a bit of it to my Eltroxin.

Thanks for whatever you can tell me... Judy

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The Cytomel gave me warm hands and feet which I have never had as

well as a new sense of ³energy² and well-being which for me was the

precursors I needed to relax more

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Hi Judy.

I take .88 mcg T4 Levoxyl 5 days a week with 20 mcg of T3 and then on weekends I take .100 mcg of Levoxyl and 15 mcg of the T3.

Last labs my T34 was low end range but my TSH nearly 0 and my T3F was maxed out so I am tweaking it now.

I have never tried Armour but am tempted since I am trying to re-jumpstart my metabolism. It seems the ONLY thing that does it right now is no bread, pasta, rice, no simple carbs...not even butter-free popcorn which I love...

My hair has lost its sheen and is not as soft and shiny as it was, and it STILL falls out easily but not as much as before...

Sometimes I feel hypo and hyper too — but I think we need to add in daily stressors, anxiety and such — I know I do — I push myself past my limits, overwork myself and don’t always remember to take down time when I need to.... That wreaks havoc on the system!

Sue

Ok, Sue, so I spoke too soon. I woke up this morning with a fast

heartbeat that goes away in about an hour. My hair is like straw and

MY FEET ARE COLD! I've never had cold feet in the summer, so I must

be going really hypo. I'm on 1.5 grains Armour, but the attempt at 2

grains last week was unsuccessful. It's like I'm hyper and hypo at

the same time and it's driving me crazy.

Are you just taking the Cytomel, or are you taking T4 and Cytomel?

Either way, can you tell me the dosage for each? I was on 100mcg

Eltroxin about a month ago and my labs were actually pretty good,

although I could bump up the T3 a little.

I think I'm ready to give up on the Armour, but I'm thinking of adding

just a bit of it to my Eltroxin.

Thanks for whatever you can tell me... Judy

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I found this excerpt and so I'm going to try to devise a mix that

gives me 90% T4 and 10% T3 and still give me a total intake just

above the 100mcg synthetic that I was taking. I've read 95-5, and

80-20 but this is about 90-10 so I'm going with 90-10 for my first

try.

I wonder what would happen if you took the 100/15 every day instead

of just the weekends? And, btw, why do you have a different dosage

for the weekends? I'm pretty sure (jump in anyone) that it's the T3

that's suppressing your TSH and that's not what I want to do.

TSH, 1.185 , (.350-5.50)

T4 Free (Direct) , 1.50 , (0.61-1.76)

T3 Free , 3.8 , (1.2-4.9)

I take .88 mcg T4 Levoxyl 5 days a week with 20 mcg of T3 and then

on weekends I take .100 mcg of Levoxyl and 15 mcg of the T3.

Last labs my T34 was low end range but my TSH nearly 0 and my T3F

was maxed out so I am tweaking it now.

I have never tried Armour but am tempted since I am trying to re-

jumpstart my metabolism.

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I am going to admit to being a little confused here on your T3

dosage flucuations.

I have done lots of reading on the T4/T3 ratios..and the one I seem

to like is 86/14... Armour is 38/9 which is why although Armour is

good it is not for everyone..

Synthetic T4 has a 1/2 life of around 7 days..so it is common for

fine tweaking to include alternating doses on other days..

Synthetic T3 has a 1/2 life of only a few hours..this is why people

on Armour or Cytomel multidose through out the day..this is where I

am confused on your T3 dosage? Why drop it on the week end? Are you

suppose to be either too wired during the week or comatose during

the week ends? The T3 you take during the week has no effect on the

T3 you take on the week ends..

Suppressing your thyroid actually is what you want to do..

TSH stands for Thyroid Stimulating Hormone..when you have a TSH your

thyroid is being stimulated.. this stimulation causes antibodies to

increase which causes a flucuation in thyroid levels which makes it

very hard to regulate yourself..some days you feel more hypo, some

days you feel more hyper..suppressing the thyroid rests the thyroid

and lowers antibodies..

I do realize I am adding on to someones post so this is not the

original post but more of a combined response..

Kats3boys

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> as close as I can without going over my total goal of around

125mcg of everything. I'm sure the T3 ratio is why I'm having

trouble with Armour alone. It's easier to figure out with the

Cytomel because it's straight T3, but the Armour has both. In my

calculations, I'm adding my Eltroxin T4 + Armour T4 + 4 times Armour

T3 to get my total T4 equivalent. Is that correct?

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> Synthetic T3 has a 1/2 life of only a few hours..this is why

people on Armour or Cytomel multidose through out the day.

>

> I don't want to multidose and that's why I'm hoping that the

correct T4/T3 ratio for me will eliminate that.

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Why do you have a set goal of 125 mcg total? Your goal should be

what it takes to feel good.. for some people it is as little as

25mcg, for others it can be much higher..

I do not like the calculations of T4+T3= because it leaves too many

variables depending on if your body can convert, how much it

converts if you take your meds standing on your head or not..

Although T4 and T3 are both thyroid medications they are two

seperate medications..Armour combines the two in a natural form as

based on the synthetic forms but it is still two different

medications..

A lot of people with a FUNCTIONAL thyroid do well on T4 only

replacement meds..they find that the T3 is too much for them.. very

few people who take T3 medication are able to take it once a day..

1 grain of Armour ( 60 mcg) equals 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3..

So Eltroxin plus 38mcg/grain of Armour = your T4 equivilant..

Cytomel plus 9mcg/grain of Armour= your T3 equivilant..

No brain surgery, complex calculations, spin around twice and see if

you can get the correct answer first.

T4 is the storage hormone, T4 converts to T3 the active hormone..

If you do not want to multidose then you need to stay on Eltroxin

and get your T4 as high in the range as possible while illiminating

symptoms..once you feel your T4 is high enough for you then look at

your T3..is it in line with your T4?

If it is lower that then T4 then you have two options of adding T3

or trying to increase your conversion ratio of T4 to T3..

Kats3boys

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Being ‘non-hypo’ does not mean feeling great every single day. 

Not every symptom is thyroid related. 

Judy, forgive me while I get “mushy” here and send you a HUGE

Thank you and a BIG KISS for this.

Sue

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LOL, right back at ya. I knew we were on the same wave length, too bad you're so far away... Judy

Judy, forgive me while I get “mushy” here and send you a HUGEThank you and a BIG KISS for this.Sue

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What are you doing in Texas by the way?

I have been here 19 years from a job transfer

lightyears ago, am now remarried, self-employed and

my son just graduated from High School with all his friends from

Elementary as I promised he could so we have just my 12 year

old daughter now and looking for a way to make a “practical” move to the east coast.

I had been looking at moving to Canada as well —

do you know where I would start in terms of rules, regulations, etc?

I think Canada is a bit more more “picky” than the US as to who they let in, aren’t they?

Sue

LOL, right back at ya. I knew we were on the same wave length, too bad you're so far away... Judy

Judy, forgive me while I get “mushy” here and send you a HUGE

Thank you and a BIG KISS for this.

Sue

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Drastically reducing sugar and white carbs and totally

eliminating high fructose corn syrup, combined with a consistent exercise

routine eliminated my fatigue without a single change in my thyroid meds.

That’s very encouraging to see someone else stating this as well and that it does work.

I am on the same path, finally at 48 years of age.

Those white carbs are soooo bad for any of us and give that quick high/low

and no exercise is a big sluggish inducer as well.

I can also tell my meds are good now, finally, after a couple years of

tweakiing, cuz my ups and downs are more related to what I eat and whether or not I exercise.

Those white carbs get me every time!

Sue

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WOW, cool...cuz I stil get those cravings — and I am not sure what triggers them though it seems VERY “cyclical”.... I would love to eliminate those.

I have been pondering about stevia — it seems very little is written about it— but I know it’s natural, right?

Lipton tried sneaking it into their teas a few years back as a “supplement” but got nailed cuz it’s really a sugar substitute and needed to go thru different guidelines.

The absolute ONLY sugar I use is for my daily coffee but I would like to eliminate that. Does the Stevia cause gas/diarreah like other sugar subs can, i.e. Sorbiol?

Thanks,

Sue

And the best part is that it totally eliminating my cravings. I bake with stevia now and that's really all the 'sweet' that I get besides a little fruit. I never think about food any more until my body is screaming for it. I told my husband that I was going to set a buzzer to remind me too eat. All too often I wait too long and then boom, but as soon as I eat, I bounce right back... Judy

Those white carbs are soooo bad for any of us and give that quick high/low and no exercise is a big sluggish inducer as well. I can also tell my meds are good now, finally, after a couple years of tweakiing, cuz my ups and downs are more related to what I eat and whether or not I exercise. Those white carbs get me every time!

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No, no diarrhea! Stevia does not cause any side effects unless you take way too much. Having said that, if I overload on sugar, I'll feel the pain as well. It's made from a leaf and is totally 100% natural. They are on the verge of passing it as a food additive in Canada and when the do, I'm sure the US will follow quickly. It will revolutionize the sweetener industry and some very big conglomerates will not be at all pleased. They have been using it in Japan and other countries for over 30 years and 47% of the sweetened products produced in Japan are made with Stevia. I bake with it and whole wheat flour with nuts and fruits to make very healthy muffins and cookies. It is Zero gycemic, Zero carbs and Zero calories and it's 200 times sweeter than sugar. What's not to like! I have drops for my coffee and powder for baking. You can get it at Whole foods, Vitamin Shoppe or any other place like that.

Sue, if you're still having trouble with cravings, have a look in your cupboard. The biggest craving factor for me was in the high fructose corn syrup. It is in virtually everything that is bagged, canned, bottled or jarred. It's in your pickles, your cranberry, ketchup, mayonnaise, salad dressing, BREAD, bagels, apple sauce, cookies etc. etc. I had to go to 5 stores and read umteen labels before I could find a single loaf of bread without high fructose corn syrup in it. I'm not kidding when I say that it is in virtually everything. I went to whole foods and read every label and replaced all of those things with unsweetened or sugar sweetened alternatives. What it does is turn off the part of your brain that tell you you're full. You never get satisfied by any of the foods you eat.

www.steviacanada.com will supply any other information that you want. I actually buy my powder from them, but you can get it anywhere. I like theirs because it's finer and doesn't have any aftertaste. Some of them do, but if you get a good one, it won't... Judy

WOW, cool...cuz I stil get those cravings — and I am not sure what triggers them though it seems VERY “cyclical”.... I would love to eliminate those.I have been pondering about stevia — it seems very little is written about it— but I know it’s natural, right?

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We're here in TX because of my husband's work. I went from WA to TX to MD back to TX in one week short of a year. Two years before that, I was in GA. I deserve to be fatigued LOL. My kids are 27 and 29 and back in Canada. There are some beautiful places along the east coast, but I'd like to go back to the west coast one day. It's wetter for sure, but very clean and you can breathe the air.

As for Canada, I have no idea about the immigration laws. What I do know is that companies can hire anyone they want without having to try to fill the position with citizens first. That's how we ended up in WA. Hubby's company got bought out by a British company. They brought all their folks over to Canada and booted the Canadians. He can only work in the US because his profession is in high demand and even so, we only get papers one year at a time... Judy

What are you doing in Texas by the way?I have been here 19 years from a job transfer lightyears ago, am now remarried, self-employed and my son just graduated from High School with all his friends from Elementary as I promised he could so we have just my 12 year old daughter now and looking for a way to make a “practical” move to the east coast.I had been looking at moving to Canada as well — do you know where I would start in terms of rules, regulations, etc? I think Canada is a bit more more “picky” than the US as to who they let in, aren’t they?Sue

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jytdtp wrote: WOW, cool...cuz I stil get those cravings — and I am not sure what triggers them though it seems VERY “cyclical”.... I would love to eliminate those.I have been pondering about stevia — it seems very little is written about it— but I know it’s natural, right?Lipton tried sneaking it into their teas a few years back as a “supplement” but got nailed cuz it’s really a sugar substitute and needed to go thru

different guidelines.The absolute ONLY sugar I use is for my daily coffee but I would like to eliminate that. Does the Stevia cause gas/diarreah like other sugar subs can, i.e. Sorbiol?Thanks,Sue _______________________________ Sue: Stevia is another highly individual...and I have to say I am not a fan. It really depends how much you eat though or what you eat it with. I must have a high

amount of taste buds...cuz I'm really sensitive to anything like that...AS I sit here drinking my tea. ~E:) On 8/16/06 5:44 PM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: And the best part is that it totally eliminating my cravings. I bake with stevia now and that's really all the 'sweet' that I get besides a little fruit. I never think about food any more until my body is screaming for it. I told my husband that I was going to set a buzzer to remind me too eat. All too often I wait too long and then boom, but as soon as I eat, I bounce right back... Judy Those white carbs are soooo bad for any of us and give that quick high/low and no exercise is a big sluggish inducer as well. I can also tell my meds are good now, finally, after a couple years of tweakiing, cuz my ups and downs are more related to what I eat and whether or not I exercise. Those white carbs get me every time! TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months

post-op.

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Well, I loved Canada all the times I was able to visit — haven’t spent much time on the west coast and only been to Dallas a few times, but here it’s VERY humid, VERY hot and the allergens are so bad I almost never breathe outside air anymore--- not healthy I know, but the stuffy nose, sinus headaches, sore throats and all were just too much.

Sue

We're here in TX because of my husband's work. I went from WA to TX to MD back to TX in one week short of a year. Two years before that, I was in GA. I deserve to be fatigued LOL. My kids are 27 and 29 and back in Canada. There are some beautiful places along the east coast, but I'd like to go back to the west coast one day. It's wetter for sure, but very clean and you can breathe the air.

As for Canada, I have no idea about the immigration laws. What I do know is that companies can hire anyone they want without having to try to fill the position with citizens first. That's how we ended up in WA. Hubby's company got bought out by a British company. They brought all their folks over to Canada and booted the Canadians. He can only work in the US because his profession is in high demand and even so, we only get papers one year at a time... Judy

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Hi Judy, thanks for the info on Stevia.

RE: cravings – my cravings are for salt and chocolate — and are “monthly” so I am see a connection there... I give in to the salty most often with popcorn which is NOT low glycemic and I use NO BUTTER on it — but cheddar cheese flavoring sprinkles and anyway, as SOON as I eat it I start gaining weight – it’s NO fair

I don’t eat any sugary foods — I don’t like em except chocolate which I now have MAYBE 4 to 5 times a YEAR! It’s crazy I tell you —I eat veggies, salad, fish, skinless chicken, low fat cheese, yogurt, nuts, and a bit of pasta and toast – and I drink 8 glasses or more water a day — it’s driving me nuts that carbs have such a negative effect on my body

I gave up kechup, don’t like mayo or mustard, don’t use salad dressing and don’t eat cookies... And it’s by choice, not by depriving myself....other than the ketchup.

I actually eat almost no processed foods --- since I eat fresh fruit, veggies, and fish --- only places I must be getting’ the high fructose then must be in the breads I eat — I will have to check...

Sue

No, no diarrhea! Stevia does not cause any side effects unless you take way too much. Having said that, if I overload on sugar, I'll feel the pain as well. It's made from a leaf and is totally 100% natural. They are on the verge of passing it as a food additive in Canada and when the do, I'm sure the US will follow quickly. It will revolutionize the sweetener industry and some very big conglomerates will not be at all pleased. They have been using it in Japan and other countries for over 30 years and 47% of the sweetened products produced in Japan are made with Stevia. I bake with it and whole wheat flour with nuts and fruits to make very healthy muffins and cookies. It is Zero gycemic, Zero carbs and Zero calories and it's 200 times sweeter than sugar. What's not to like! I have drops for my coffee and powder for baking. You can get it at Whole foods, Vitamin Shoppe or any other place like that.

Sue, if you're still having trouble with cravings, have a look in your cupboard. The biggest craving factor for me was in the high fructose corn syrup. It is in virtually everything that is bagged, canned, bottled or jarred. It's in your pickles, your cranberry, ketchup, mayonnaise, salad dressing, BREAD, bagels, apple sauce, cookies etc. etc. I had to go to 5 stores and read umteen labels before I could find a single loaf of bread without high fructose corn syrup in it. I'm not kidding when I say that it is in virtually everything. I went to whole foods and read every label and replaced all of those things with unsweetened or sugar sweetened alternatives. What it does is turn off the part of your brain that tell you you're full. You never get satisfied by any of the foods you eat.

www.steviacanada.com <http://www.steviacanada.com> will supply any other information that you want. I actually buy my powder from them, but you can get it anywhere. I like theirs because it's finer and doesn't have any aftertaste. Some of them do, but if you get a good one, it won't... Judy

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HI E,

I LOVE tea and use Texas honey in mine with some lemon juice.

What didn’t you like about Stevia?

Sue

Sue:

Stevia is another highly individual...and I have to say I am not a fan. It really depends how much you eat though or what you eat it with.

 

I must have a high amount of taste buds...cuz I'm really sensitive to anything like that...AS I sit here drinking my tea.

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Oh, don't even get me started on chocolate Sue. I craved chocolate from the womb. My mom said that she craved it all the time that she was pregnant with me but not before and not after. I satisfy my need for chocolate by putting a teaspoon or two of straight cocoa in my morning shake. I get the sugar from the banana and so I don't need any other sweetener, plus my protein powder has stevia and cocoa in it. I don't know what the chocolate thing is, but it's not the cocoa, but the sugar that is the problem. Cocoa is also a great anti-oxident. Sometime, depending on the type of cookie I'm baking, I'll throw some cocoa in there too. Otherwise, my cravings for the other chocolate are totally gone. With milk chocolate, I was like the Lay's people, I could not eat just one. If I had one piece of chocolate, I would finish the whole bag and then feel physically and mentally sick afterwards. Even so, I would do it over and over again because the craving was so strong. I'm not saying that I won't ever get it back, but for now, my sugar cravings are totally suppressed. I get salt cravings from time to time and when I do, I believe that they're real body cravings and I satisfy it. Lately, I've started using sea salt and I a little on my food.

Your diet sounds very health, but might be too much on the low fat side. I'm thinking now that it's not necessarily the best way to go. I'm still really struggling with deciding what to eat, but since I added a little fat back into my diet, I broke a 2 week plateau and have now lost another 2 pounds. Besides throwing out all of the hfcs items, I also tossed all of my 'lite' foods for the simple reason that the ingredient list is 2 times longer than the full fat ones. Instead, I buy full fat mayo and salad dressing and then cut it in 1/2 with plain yogurt. I also don't buy anything anymore that has any ingredients that I can't pronounce. I even found unsweetened ketchup! I had it last night on my meatballs and it was great. If you told me what I was going to do a week ago, I wouldn't believe you! I'm putting salt on my tomatoes, butter on my vegetables and eating beef and chicken thighs! Who knew LOL.

I don't think I have to comment on the popcorn LOL. I would be preaching to the choir. I'm now snacking on pink lady apples with a thin slice of full fat cheddar cheese. My other favourite is celery and peanut butter. I've actually stopped eating my own healthy stevia cookies. In the past 3 days, I've eaten more fat and lost more weight, so I have no clue what's going on. I think the biggest thing was eliminated the 'white' starchy stuff. I haven't had any of that. I joined the 'insulin resistance' group and they've given me a lot of good advice. I posted my sample daily food plan and they pointed out things that I might change, so I can't really take credit for any of this information.

Boy, I do tend to go on don't I? Let me know if you try any of these and it works for you. And, let me know if you find the answer too... Judy

Hi Judy, thanks for the info on Stevia.RE: cravings – my cravings are for salt and chocolate — and are “monthly” so I am see a connection there... I give in to the salty most often with popcorn which is NOT low glycemic and I use NO BUTTER on it — but cheddar cheese flavoring sprinkles and anyway, as SOON as I eat it I start gaining weight – it’s NO fair :(I don’t eat any sugary foods — I don’t like em except chocolate which I now have MAYBE 4 to 5 times a YEAR! It’s crazy I tell you —I eat veggies, salad, fish, skinless chicken, low fat cheese, yogurt, nuts, and a bit of pasta and toast – and I drink 8 glasses or more water a day — it’s driving me nuts that carbs have such a negative effect on my body :(I gave up kechup, don’t like mayo or mustard, don’t use salad dressing and don’t eat cookies... And it’s by choice, not by depriving myself....other than the ketchup.I actually eat almost no processed foods --- since I eat fresh fruit, veggies, and fish --- only places I must be getting’ the high fructose then must be in the breads I eat — I will have to check...Sue

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I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.

Sue

jytdtp wrote:

HI E,

I LOVE tea and use Texas honey in mine with some lemon juice.

What didn’t you like about Stevia?

Sue

Sue:

It upset my sensitive tummy...

I think as Judy pointed out there are different forms so if you were gonna take

a run at it...you might try the forms she likes first.

Sometimes they mix it with stuff and that can cause issues too. It really

depends on what you like and what agrees with you.

I thought it was a shame that it didn't agree with me...because as Judy says it

really may turn out to be quite the revolutionary product. It has a low

glycemic index and its natural.

They are starting to put it in a lot of stuff these days.

~E

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I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy

I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.Sue

HI E, I LOVE tea and use Texas honey in mine with some lemon juice.What didn’t you like about Stevia?Sue

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I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee-

mostly I like it light rather than sweet.

Which so smoothly leads to my next problem :

I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY

lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...

(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) --

do you think I should try soy milk — again, I don’t want

yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements

and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out

with food, no food, time of day, etc...!

Sue

I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy

I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.

Sue

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Soy is bad....in my opinion...

Half and half bothers you or cream? Cream usually doesn't give people the same problems as milk...What about non dairy creamers(which I personally abhor)?

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JustYourTypeDTP wrote: I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee- mostly I like it light rather than sweet.Which so smoothly leads to my next problem : I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) -- do you think I should try soy milk —

again, I don’t want yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out with food, no food, time of day, etc...! Sue: Remember that SOY is bad for thryoids. THAT is what they say anyway. Is heavy cream better than milk for those who are lactose

intolerant? ~E:) On 8/17/06 9:39 AM, "Judy P" <akaperkyj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.Sue TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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I wouldn't recommend soy for someone with thyroid disease. If you do use it, make sure that it's at least 4 hours away from when you take your thyroid medication because it will affect the absorption. Then again, so does the calcium in the milk. I don't have a problem with milk yet, thank goodness, and I don't drink a lot of it anyway. If I had to switch, I guess I would try the lactose free milk. I forget what it's called. In fact, now that you mention it, I might try it anyway because it's probably lower carb. We're buying organic milk right now, so it shouldn't be much more expensive. I'll let you know if I do and how if it's good... Judy

I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) -- do you think I should try soy milk

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Hi E.

Ya know, now that you mention it I WAS using the heavy cream when the nutritionist lady told me to add fat to my diet but stopped that as soon as my cholesterol went back up.

I did not have the “problems” with the heavy cream...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

As far as soy, it does not harm me, or so it seems and my very wonderful endo has told me, as long as it’s had four hours apart from thyroid meds.

I don’t make my own T3 and T4 anymore –it’s there from pills — so I guess that’s why.

For unmedicated thyroid folks, I would imagine soy IS bad.

Sue

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

I use so little sweetener – just that morning coffee-

mostly I like it light rather than sweet.

Which so smoothly leads to my next problem :

I just recently discovered, realized, found out I am VERY

lactose intolerant to the point my family BEGS me not to use ANY milk...

(use your imagination as to what the result is when I do) --

do you think I should try soy milk — again, I don’t want

yet more tablet, i.e. For lactose intolerance...i take about 8 supplements

and 9 medication pills a day as it is, trying to space them all out

with food, no food, time of day, etc...!

Sue:

Remember that SOY is bad for thryoids. THAT is what they say anyway.

Is heavy cream better than milk for those who are lactose intolerant?

~E:)

I bought hazelnut stevia drops at Whole Foods Market. I just put 2-3 drops in my decaf coffee and I love it. Yes, it's a little different, but it's way better than no sweetener at all... Judy

I am gonna give it a shot, E — thanks for your input.

Sue

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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As soon as I add cream or fat to my diet, my cholesterol goes up so I am looking for a healthy alternative if there is one...

Thanks though,

Sue

Soy is bad....in my opinion...

Half and half bothers you or cream? Cream usually doesn't give people the same problems as milk...What about non dairy creamers(which I personally abhor)?

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Arg...no...please no non-dairy creamer!

LOL, just my opinion... Judy

Soy is bad....in my opinion...

Half and half bothers you or cream? Cream usually doesn't give people the same problems as milk...What about non dairy creamers(which I personally abhor)?

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