Guest guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 I know I did not care wetehr paople breastfed or not, until I learned everything I did on breastfeeding. now whenever I see someone in the mall, or anywhere feeding their baby a bottle, I just say to myself, it could be expressed Bm:-) I love it when i see other moms breastfeeding in public. beckie > >Reply-To: breastfeeding (AT) e >To: breastfeeding (AT) e >Subject: Re: vent >Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:25:44 GMT > >You know it is interesting how much I Care if other people don't >breastfeed. > Before my baby - I could have cared less whether they were breast or >bottle. But now after everything I know and have learned about bf - I >really upsets me to hear that someone has stopped bf and moved to formula. >I am not a person who usually has strong feeling about any one issue - I am >pretty flex, but for some reason - the issue now upsets me...too weird! > >So Beckie - vent away I can sure understand your frustrations!! > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Seems like it was last week I read some where that it actually takes less energy to BF then bottle feed which is why there now allowing preemies to BF instead of bottle feed. ---- *A baby can survive on formula but they can only flourish on breast milk! Re: vent > Or those who second guess doctors - like being told Ethan was failing to > thrive because my supply is inadequate and he should get > bottles...hello....he doesn't eat because his heart working double time > exhausts him. He wouldn't take more from a bottle of formula than he > does from breastmilk....he may even do WORSE - what if he has an allergy > and throws it all up? We can't afford that kind of delay in finding a > formula he could tolerate AND thrive on! > > Dawn - going to bed soon - just gonna squeeze in one more pumping > session.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Seems like it was last week I read some where that it actually takes less energy to BF then bottle feed which is why there now allowing preemies to BF instead of bottle feed. ---- *A baby can survive on formula but they can only flourish on breast milk! Re: vent > Or those who second guess doctors - like being told Ethan was failing to > thrive because my supply is inadequate and he should get > bottles...hello....he doesn't eat because his heart working double time > exhausts him. He wouldn't take more from a bottle of formula than he > does from breastmilk....he may even do WORSE - what if he has an allergy > and throws it all up? We can't afford that kind of delay in finding a > formula he could tolerate AND thrive on! > > Dawn - going to bed soon - just gonna squeeze in one more pumping > session.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Seems like it was last week I read some where that it actually takes less energy to BF then bottle feed which is why there now allowing preemies to BF instead of bottle feed. ---- *A baby can survive on formula but they can only flourish on breast milk! Re: vent > Or those who second guess doctors - like being told Ethan was failing to > thrive because my supply is inadequate and he should get > bottles...hello....he doesn't eat because his heart working double time > exhausts him. He wouldn't take more from a bottle of formula than he > does from breastmilk....he may even do WORSE - what if he has an allergy > and throws it all up? We can't afford that kind of delay in finding a > formula he could tolerate AND thrive on! > > Dawn - going to bed soon - just gonna squeeze in one more pumping > session.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Oh yes, I so TOTALLY agree. An ignored breastfed baby is MUCH better off than a propped-bottle baby! I was just pointing out that there are probably some occaisions when a breastfed baby gets less emotional support than a bottle fed baby. Anything can be done right - or wrong. IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to stop nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she knows that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. I know some women DO have supply issues - I'm having one right now. I COULD choose to stop and blame it on lack of milk because of a sick baby who couldn't eat. But I won't - Ethan NEEDS me, and what I can provide, and I will gladly pump every 2 hours around the clock for the rest of his life if I had to keep him getting bmilk. Yet - that takes DEVOTION, and TIME. Things that not all moms can offer. In that case, IMO, a mom who loving gives a bottle is a much better parent than a mom who grudginly breastfeeds. Its hard, I know that first hand. I have, LITERALLY, been pregnant and/or nursing for the past 4 years. In the past 3 years, if you add up all the time I've been breastfeeding.....Well I nursed Ibu 18 months and Eli 6 months and Ethan has been nursing 2.5 months now. I've been nursing for more than 2 years. And in the last 4 there has literally NOT been a time where my physical self was mine alone. I been either pregnant or nursing and much of the time I did BOTH at the same time. So I know all about devotion, and how hard it can be mentally to continue nursing. And many people do NOT have the mentality that I do. So I allow ALOT of leeway. Rather than looking at what a baby EATS, we should look at how they ACT. *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 perhaps I used the wrong word. Ignoring a nursing baby...perhaps I should have said, resenting the fact that they are nursing but doing it for a reason other than having their best interests in mind. Such as being pushed by doctors, etc.... In actuality I felt that I was pushed into nursing my first. I wasn't ever ASKED, it was just assumed. Luckily, I loved it and so did he - but it could easily have turned the other way. *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok, everyone, I was not referring to anyone in particular when I posted that. I know that many women have valid reasons for quitting - and some only SAY they do. I am NOT proud to say that I quit nursing Elijah because we didn't like it - but at the time it was emotionaly best for us. I still regret it to this day because I'm proud to be part of the militant breastfeeding group :-) The only difference between me and alot of the other " members " - radical nursing mothers - is that I believe in " to each, their own " . Why berate a mother who stopped nursing to bottle feed, for whatever reason. What does it accomplish except to make her feel inadequate? Make her regret? Its not helpful AT ALL. I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents (OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had nursed Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is having. And some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to the doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm a bad mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or " messing " with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was failing to grow? No? Didn't think so. I'm really stressed over everything in my life right now and depressed over my own supply problems. I have absoulutely NO intention of stopping though - I've done this twice before and I know I don't have a condition to cause a low supply - its because of Ethan not nursing. On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:54:37 -0800 " Ross & Henne " rmmhenne@...> writes: > My first dd nursed around the clock, one time for 8 hours straight. > She > would just cry if you took her off the breast. I was told that I > did not > have a good milk supply and through family pressure gave into the > bottles > which led to weaning at 6 mos. Even my ped told me that she was > sucking me > dry and wanted more. What was I to do if I thought I did not have > enough? > I loved nursing her and it broke my heart to think that I could not > nurse > exclusively. It was not an excuse because I did not like nursing. > Sometimes we are misinformed by people that we trust and have no > reason to > doubt what they say. I read all I could about bfing before I had my > dd and > adked every nursing mom that I knew what to do. They all said the > same > thing, " I didn't have any problems nursing " . I am getting so sad > reading my > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put down. > Some of > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt left > out of > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at each > others > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > on this subject. > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to > stop > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok, everyone, I was not referring to anyone in particular when I posted that. I know that many women have valid reasons for quitting - and some only SAY they do. I am NOT proud to say that I quit nursing Elijah because we didn't like it - but at the time it was emotionaly best for us. I still regret it to this day because I'm proud to be part of the militant breastfeeding group :-) The only difference between me and alot of the other " members " - radical nursing mothers - is that I believe in " to each, their own " . Why berate a mother who stopped nursing to bottle feed, for whatever reason. What does it accomplish except to make her feel inadequate? Make her regret? Its not helpful AT ALL. I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents (OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had nursed Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is having. And some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to the doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm a bad mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or " messing " with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was failing to grow? No? Didn't think so. I'm really stressed over everything in my life right now and depressed over my own supply problems. I have absoulutely NO intention of stopping though - I've done this twice before and I know I don't have a condition to cause a low supply - its because of Ethan not nursing. On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:54:37 -0800 " Ross & Henne " rmmhenne@...> writes: > My first dd nursed around the clock, one time for 8 hours straight. > She > would just cry if you took her off the breast. I was told that I > did not > have a good milk supply and through family pressure gave into the > bottles > which led to weaning at 6 mos. Even my ped told me that she was > sucking me > dry and wanted more. What was I to do if I thought I did not have > enough? > I loved nursing her and it broke my heart to think that I could not > nurse > exclusively. It was not an excuse because I did not like nursing. > Sometimes we are misinformed by people that we trust and have no > reason to > doubt what they say. I read all I could about bfing before I had my > dd and > adked every nursing mom that I knew what to do. They all said the > same > thing, " I didn't have any problems nursing " . I am getting so sad > reading my > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put down. > Some of > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt left > out of > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at each > others > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > on this subject. > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to > stop > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok, everyone, I was not referring to anyone in particular when I posted that. I know that many women have valid reasons for quitting - and some only SAY they do. I am NOT proud to say that I quit nursing Elijah because we didn't like it - but at the time it was emotionaly best for us. I still regret it to this day because I'm proud to be part of the militant breastfeeding group :-) The only difference between me and alot of the other " members " - radical nursing mothers - is that I believe in " to each, their own " . Why berate a mother who stopped nursing to bottle feed, for whatever reason. What does it accomplish except to make her feel inadequate? Make her regret? Its not helpful AT ALL. I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents (OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had nursed Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is having. And some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to the doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm a bad mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or " messing " with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was failing to grow? No? Didn't think so. I'm really stressed over everything in my life right now and depressed over my own supply problems. I have absoulutely NO intention of stopping though - I've done this twice before and I know I don't have a condition to cause a low supply - its because of Ethan not nursing. On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:54:37 -0800 " Ross & Henne " rmmhenne@...> writes: > My first dd nursed around the clock, one time for 8 hours straight. > She > would just cry if you took her off the breast. I was told that I > did not > have a good milk supply and through family pressure gave into the > bottles > which led to weaning at 6 mos. Even my ped told me that she was > sucking me > dry and wanted more. What was I to do if I thought I did not have > enough? > I loved nursing her and it broke my heart to think that I could not > nurse > exclusively. It was not an excuse because I did not like nursing. > Sometimes we are misinformed by people that we trust and have no > reason to > doubt what they say. I read all I could about bfing before I had my > dd and > adked every nursing mom that I knew what to do. They all said the > same > thing, " I didn't have any problems nursing " . I am getting so sad > reading my > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put down. > Some of > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt left > out of > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at each > others > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > on this subject. > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to > stop > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's needs. I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting until I can say something nice. Dawn On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:02:39 -0500 Margaret Potter potterkim@...> writes: > > > Ross & Henne wrote: > > > I am getting so sad reading my > > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put > down. Some of > > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt > left out of > > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at > each others > > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > > on this subject. > > > > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had > to stop > > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever > reason. > > > > , > > I too think this list is creating a lot of sadness right now. You > are not the > only one experiencing this. It is ironic to me that breastfeeding > is such a > loving act, yet this list is full of judgement, intolerance and > sometimes just > plain old ignorance. The sanctimonious of some people discussing > formula is > amazing. The radical list is even worse, unfortunately. In > terms of moms > picking on each other, it is so true and is one of the biggests > disapointments > for me. How sad that we don't support each other in being the best > parents to > our children, but instead can't stop picking at each others choices. > What a > great world it would be for us AND our children if we could stop > this and be > there for each other. > > Peace. > > Margaret > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's needs. I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting until I can say something nice. Dawn On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:02:39 -0500 Margaret Potter potterkim@...> writes: > > > Ross & Henne wrote: > > > I am getting so sad reading my > > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put > down. Some of > > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt > left out of > > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at > each others > > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > > on this subject. > > > > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had > to stop > > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever > reason. > > > > , > > I too think this list is creating a lot of sadness right now. You > are not the > only one experiencing this. It is ironic to me that breastfeeding > is such a > loving act, yet this list is full of judgement, intolerance and > sometimes just > plain old ignorance. The sanctimonious of some people discussing > formula is > amazing. The radical list is even worse, unfortunately. In > terms of moms > picking on each other, it is so true and is one of the biggests > disapointments > for me. How sad that we don't support each other in being the best > parents to > our children, but instead can't stop picking at each others choices. > What a > great world it would be for us AND our children if we could stop > this and be > there for each other. > > Peace. > > Margaret > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's needs. I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting until I can say something nice. Dawn On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:02:39 -0500 Margaret Potter potterkim@...> writes: > > > Ross & Henne wrote: > > > I am getting so sad reading my > > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put > down. Some of > > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf > babies. It is > > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt > left out of > > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at > each others > > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. > Just my .02 > > on this subject. > > > > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had > to stop > > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she > knows > > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever > reason. > > > > , > > I too think this list is creating a lot of sadness right now. You > are not the > only one experiencing this. It is ironic to me that breastfeeding > is such a > loving act, yet this list is full of judgement, intolerance and > sometimes just > plain old ignorance. The sanctimonious of some people discussing > formula is > amazing. The radical list is even worse, unfortunately. In > terms of moms > picking on each other, it is so true and is one of the biggests > disapointments > for me. How sad that we don't support each other in being the best > parents to > our children, but instead can't stop picking at each others choices. > What a > great world it would be for us AND our children if we could stop > this and be > there for each other. > > Peace. > > Margaret > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Or those who second guess doctors - like being told Ethan was failing to thrive because my supply is inadequate and he should get bottles...hello....he doesn't eat because his heart working double time exhausts him. He wouldn't take more from a bottle of formula than he does from breastmilk....he may even do WORSE - what if he has an allergy and throws it all up? We can't afford that kind of delay in finding a formula he could tolerate AND thrive on! Dawn - going to bed soon - just gonna squeeze in one more pumping session.... On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:02:38 -0600 Sue Didier suzy@...> writes: > I think I'm pretty militant about breastfeeding but don't understand > at all > how someone could say you shouldn't consider a feeding tube. > Personally I > think I'd rather have the tube and be able to continue breastfeeding > than > to put the how powered formula in bottles and possibly/probably lose > the > breastfeeding relationship. > > What is a bigger pet peeve of mine is someone who breastfed for a > few days > or weeks or not at all presuming to tell me how I should conduct my > breastfeeding relationship. Kind of like a childless person telling > you how > to raise your kids! > Sue > > At 07:02 PM 11/8/00 +0000, you wrote: > > > >I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents > >(OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had > nursed > >Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is > having. And > >some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to > the > >doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm > a bad > >mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or > " messing " > >with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was > failing > >to grow? No? Didn't think so. > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Or those who second guess doctors - like being told Ethan was failing to thrive because my supply is inadequate and he should get bottles...hello....he doesn't eat because his heart working double time exhausts him. He wouldn't take more from a bottle of formula than he does from breastmilk....he may even do WORSE - what if he has an allergy and throws it all up? We can't afford that kind of delay in finding a formula he could tolerate AND thrive on! Dawn - going to bed soon - just gonna squeeze in one more pumping session.... On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:02:38 -0600 Sue Didier suzy@...> writes: > I think I'm pretty militant about breastfeeding but don't understand > at all > how someone could say you shouldn't consider a feeding tube. > Personally I > think I'd rather have the tube and be able to continue breastfeeding > than > to put the how powered formula in bottles and possibly/probably lose > the > breastfeeding relationship. > > What is a bigger pet peeve of mine is someone who breastfed for a > few days > or weeks or not at all presuming to tell me how I should conduct my > breastfeeding relationship. Kind of like a childless person telling > you how > to raise your kids! > Sue > > At 07:02 PM 11/8/00 +0000, you wrote: > > > >I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents > >(OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had > nursed > >Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is > having. And > >some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to > the > >doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm > a bad > >mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or > " messing " > >with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was > failing > >to grow? No? Didn't think so. > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > *************************** Dawn - Loving Mum to: Ethan Adnan (35-weeker, 8-25-00, VSD - heart defect, needs corrective surgery) Elijah Iman (7-2-99, developmentally delayed) and Ibrahim Jerry (9-10-97) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 My first dd nursed around the clock, one time for 8 hours straight. She would just cry if you took her off the breast. I was told that I did not have a good milk supply and through family pressure gave into the bottles which led to weaning at 6 mos. Even my ped told me that she was sucking me dry and wanted more. What was I to do if I thought I did not have enough? I loved nursing her and it broke my heart to think that I could not nurse exclusively. It was not an excuse because I did not like nursing. Sometimes we are misinformed by people that we trust and have no reason to doubt what they say. I read all I could about bfing before I had my dd and adked every nursing mom that I knew what to do. They all said the same thing, " I didn't have any problems nursing " . I am getting so sad reading my e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put down. Some of us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf babies. It is sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt left out of the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at each others parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. Just my .02 on this subject. Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to stop > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she knows > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 I think I'm pretty militant about breastfeeding but don't understand at all how someone could say you shouldn't consider a feeding tube. Personally I think I'd rather have the tube and be able to continue breastfeeding than to put the how powered formula in bottles and possibly/probably lose the breastfeeding relationship. What is a bigger pet peeve of mine is someone who breastfed for a few days or weeks or not at all presuming to tell me how I should conduct my breastfeeding relationship. Kind of like a childless person telling you how to raise your kids! Sue At 07:02 PM 11/8/00 +0000, you wrote: > >I guess my big problem is that where I work I meet alot of parents >(OBVIOUSLY) and to many of them have been saying that if I had nursed >Elijah longer - he wouldn't have had the problems that he is having. And >some of the more radical parents are condeming me for listening to the >doctors regarding Ethan's feeding needs. Basically they think I'm a bad >mom to even CONSIDER a tube (like I have a choice, really!) or " messing " >with his bottles. Right. And did THEY ever have a child who was failing >to grow? No? Didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Ross & Henne wrote: > I am getting so sad reading my > e-mails every night and finding that ffing moms are being put down. Some of > us did ff our firstborns and we love them just as much our bf babies. It is > sad because I did not have kids until I was 32 and always felt left out of > the club. Now that I have kids, I find that most moms pick at each others > parenting skills instead of giving each other love and support. Just my .02 > on this subject. > > > Mom to 12/10/98 and Mikayla 6/22/00 > > > IMO - I personally take offense when a mother says that she had to stop > > nursing because she...say...ran out of milk. When deep down she knows > > that is an excuse - she just didn't enjoy it for whatever reason. > , I too think this list is creating a lot of sadness right now. You are not the only one experiencing this. It is ironic to me that breastfeeding is such a loving act, yet this list is full of judgement, intolerance and sometimes just plain old ignorance. The sanctimonious of some people discussing formula is amazing. The radical list is even worse, unfortunately. In terms of moms picking on each other, it is so true and is one of the biggests disapointments for me. How sad that we don't support each other in being the best parents to our children, but instead can't stop picking at each others choices. What a great world it would be for us AND our children if we could stop this and be there for each other. Peace. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Well actually it never ocurred to me that you were referring to me. It sounds like you do really need to relax and take care of yourself, you have so much on your plate right now. Margaret Dawn M Cowan wrote: > ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were > referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I > apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of > the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every > single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's > needs. > > I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting > until I can say something nice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Well actually it never ocurred to me that you were referring to me. It sounds like you do really need to relax and take care of yourself, you have so much on your plate right now. Margaret Dawn M Cowan wrote: > ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were > referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I > apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of > the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every > single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's > needs. > > I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting > until I can say something nice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Well actually it never ocurred to me that you were referring to me. It sounds like you do really need to relax and take care of yourself, you have so much on your plate right now. Margaret Dawn M Cowan wrote: > ok well you know what - I guess people on this list thought I were > referring to them and to many people have been offended by my post. I > apologize. I'm in no condition to post my opinions, I think, because of > the stress I'm under - I can't take the time to think over each and every > single little word, sentence or thought to edit it to meet everyone's > needs. > > I'm going to crawl into a dank, dark hole now and refrain from posting > until I can say something nice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Sorry everyone. I just need to vent. I hate phase 1, and now I have to restart it!!!!! My Grandmother died on Tuesday, day 2, and I had to go out of town for the funeral Day 5. Well, it actually ceased being day anything on Day 4, since I was travelling and didn't have any willpower. And at the reception I ate enough sweets for 3 people. I had lost 2 pounds in the first 3 days, but they're back, with a friend. So, here it is supposed Day 7 and tomorrow will be Day 1 all over again with an extra pound to lose! wah. Anyway, Just thought I'd complain to you all who might understand. And, I was going to be so good and not cheat at all. hoping to get phase 1 over with in 14 days this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I'm with you there, . I blew it over the month between Thanksgiving and Christmas, when there were all kinds of goodies at work, and we were busy, so it was easy to grab a cookie or a piece of fudge and keep working. So I decided to go P1 again. DD came home for Christmas, and though she's on P2, she's also vegetarian. DH is neither, and cooking was a PIA no matter which of us did it. Before she left, we ate out at a REALLY fancy place, which we do each Christmas, and had a slice of vanilla bean cheesecake to DIE for. Phase 1 again. Friday, I drove her 5 1/2 hours home, then turned around and drove right back. I was so tired, it took me 7 1/2 hours to drive back, and kept stopping at rest stops to sleep. Then, of course, I had to get coffee and sugar to try to keep going. I went through the string cheese and the almonds I'd brought in the first couple of hours. I only gained a pound over the holidays, but can tell my waistline is a little larger, and the sugar cravings are tremendous. So I have to start over again for about the 3rd time this week. I plan to remember this lesson for a LONG while! in NC PunchBuggyBlue wrote: > > Sorry everyone. > > I just need to vent. > I hate phase 1, and now I have to restart it!!!!! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Oh, don't think of it as punishment. Please! It's so good for your body. Think of it as a cleansing ritual like spring cleaning. It's not necessarily fun or enjoyable, but if you just do it and try to focus on the two week goal, you'll feel so much better for it. I just started Phase 1 again and I've already lost 3 pounds, which is a much better rate than I did the first time. How about giving your self a little reward (not food!) every day you follow Phase 1 perfectly? You could get some cheap earrings, a magazine, a nice bubble bath, an hour at the book store (or wherever you like to hang out) etc. ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Great ideas ie! I agree, it's not punishment, it's just hard, at least the first few days are. They pay offs are huge though. I know that after about 4 days on Phase 1 I don't even want to taste anything made with sugar. It actually has a bad aftertaste when you've not been consuming it for a while. That's really saying something for me, since I am a huge carb addict. It's just getting to the 4th or 5th day that is tough. Thanks for the support, < > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 I have a huge sweet tooth, and don't care for meat. But, I know that's not healthy at all. SBD is the only thing I've ever done that has helped me manage my sweet tooth. I , too, didn't want sweet things (maybe a little, but no true cravings) after about 4 days on Phase 1. I thought it was a truly amazing feeling. ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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