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(((((((((((((HUGSZ))))))))))) Stella !! Hang in there!!!!! 30 days is a

pain but it will be over as fast as you can say.....Adkins!!! blaaaaaaa LOL

I know it hard Hon! I pray thirty days passes quickly for you!

Deanna

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> I saw my PCP this morning; he refused to write a LOMN unless I give

> dieting another shot, this time using the Atkins diet under his (Dr.

> W's) weekly supervision for at least 1 month. I just sat there with

> tears running down my face.

>

> --stella

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In a message dated 2/5/2001 11:47:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

serenn@... writes:

<< I saw my PCP this morning; he refused to write a LOMN unless I give

dieting another shot, this time using the Atkins diet under his (Dr.

W's) weekly supervision for at least 1 month. I just sat there with

tears running down my face. >>

Oh Stella, this is just so disgusting. Any chance of finding a new PCP? I

think I would and quickly. He has no right to deny you this chance. With

your sister just having gone through surgery herself (and did you say your

mother had also?) you have enough family history that dieting won't work.

Ugh! I'm sitting here with tears for you. Don't give up, dear friend!

Jackie Ward

jward533@...

Age 53 and BMI 53

Dr. Maguire

Surgery 3/19

Self-pay

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W hat I don't understand is how he is going to prove you could keep any weight off on such a diet. I would have easily lost 20 pounds on a closely supervised atkins diet before having surgery. However, I would have gained 30 back in the next few months. Do you have to have a referral for your insurance??? Tell him it is an issue of long term maintainance. Ask him to give you research and personal experience showing people have kept the weight off after doing this program.

Dawn

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I'm so sorry...how frustrating. I did Atkins and yes I lost weight...but that is a very hard way to eat for life and while I understand the ideas behind it...I think you need more balance in your diet to keep the weight off. At least a month isnt long but I know as I'm waiting to get my first dr visit, its forever when you've made up your mind on what you want to do...

AJ

Stella Sloop wrote:

I saw my PCP this morning; he refused to write a LOMN unless I give dieting another shot, this time using the Atkins diet under his (Dr. W's) weekly supervision for at least 1 month. I just sat there with tears running down my face.--stella

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Stella,

Everyone's right. Time for a new PCP, that is if you can find a WLS-

friendly one. I had a PCP for 13 years and decided it was time to

change. One of the members of this group refered me to a WLS-

friendly PCP. With my old one, I knew I never stood a chance of

having surgery. And if so, It would have been the wrong one surgery.

You have to do what's right for you. This is your life, not his.

Please let us know what you decide to do.

Take care,

Debbie Jamil

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Stella,

This may not be as bad as you think. For one thing, some insurance companies

require proof of medically supervised diets, usually within the last year.

For another, some insurance companies are reticent to approve readily if you

go to a new pcp and get your referral. If you have a relationship with your

PCP and feel that he will write you a LOMN after giving this diet a 4 week

try, then why not. 4 weeks is really not that long in the scheme of things

and you have no guarantee that your new PCP will agree with WLS. It may take

you that long to get a new pcp and an appointment.

Now, if you think your current pcp will really not help you no matter what

you do, then by all means find another.

Love,

Marisa

Dr. Anthone

5'3 " BMI 45 256#

Surgery 11/17/00

12/17/00 - 222#

1/17/01 - 206#

2/5/01 - 199#

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Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

them all.

I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all it

took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't give

me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

And BTW he's skinny...

--stella

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Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

them all.

I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all it

took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't give

me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

And BTW he's skinny...

--stella

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Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

them all.

I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all it

took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't give

me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

And BTW he's skinny...

--stella

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Stella,

dont forget he works for YOU! Its YOUR body! You do what you think

is best.. sure, you could humor him with Atkins diet but he'll never

really be convinced you didnt 'give it your all'. My mother is the

same way.. even tho she's supportive of my decision, she thinks its a

matter of mental attitude.. i told her that she didnt have a clue

what she was talking about , and if taht's all there was to it, SHE'd

be a size 8, not a 14!!! She didnt like that too much.. truth hurts

sometimes. Search your soul and be guided accordingly.. *smile*

> Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

>

> This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

> prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

> determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

> diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

> them all.

>

> I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all

it

> took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

>

> He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

> company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

> establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't

give

> me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

> going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

>

> And BTW he's skinny...

>

> --stella

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Stella,

dont forget he works for YOU! Its YOUR body! You do what you think

is best.. sure, you could humor him with Atkins diet but he'll never

really be convinced you didnt 'give it your all'. My mother is the

same way.. even tho she's supportive of my decision, she thinks its a

matter of mental attitude.. i told her that she didnt have a clue

what she was talking about , and if taht's all there was to it, SHE'd

be a size 8, not a 14!!! She didnt like that too much.. truth hurts

sometimes. Search your soul and be guided accordingly.. *smile*

> Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

>

> This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

> prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

> determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

> diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

> them all.

>

> I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all

it

> took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

>

> He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

> company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

> establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't

give

> me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

> going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

>

> And BTW he's skinny...

>

> --stella

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Stella,

dont forget he works for YOU! Its YOUR body! You do what you think

is best.. sure, you could humor him with Atkins diet but he'll never

really be convinced you didnt 'give it your all'. My mother is the

same way.. even tho she's supportive of my decision, she thinks its a

matter of mental attitude.. i told her that she didnt have a clue

what she was talking about , and if taht's all there was to it, SHE'd

be a size 8, not a 14!!! She didnt like that too much.. truth hurts

sometimes. Search your soul and be guided accordingly.. *smile*

> Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

>

> This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

> prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

> determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

> diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

> them all.

>

> I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all

it

> took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

>

> He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

> company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

> establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't

give

> me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

> going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

>

> And BTW he's skinny...

>

> --stella

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> And BTW he's skinny...>

Stella,

Don't ya just hate it? Oh, how I sympathize with you! I went

through diets for 13 years with my ex-PCP. He was a very likable

guy, but thought weight could be maintained by running 300 miles

every morning and starving yourself to death! LOL : )

My ex-PCP was a thin man and jogged every morning and went to the

gym probably every day. Great for people who can do that.

Unfortunately, people like this do not live realistic lives. They

think that because they are thin, and have no problems maintaining

their weight, that everyone else should be the same way. The last

time I went to him was last May. I begged him to put me on a liquid

protein fast. I knew it wasn't going to work, but this was my last

attempt at " one more diet " before I made the big decision to have

WLS. His comment was.... " let's try another diet, one more time... "

under his breath. It really hurt my feelings. By this time I had

dieted my way up the scale to 302 pounds. I lost 14 pounds on this

diet, and it was killing me. I was starving all of the time. I

then said, screw it and changed PCP's a couple of times just trying

to find the right WLS-friendly doctor. I sent out my plea to

everyone on this list asking everyone if they knew of a doctor that

was WLS in the greater Los Angeles area. Kathy P. replied back and

told me about Dr. Forman who is in the same building as Dr. Anthone.

Thanks to Kathy P., I will probably be having surgery in about one

month.

Please, please, do not give up hope. There are other doctors out

there that do agree with WLS.

Hugs,

Debbie Jamil

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> And BTW he's skinny...>

Stella,

Don't ya just hate it? Oh, how I sympathize with you! I went

through diets for 13 years with my ex-PCP. He was a very likable

guy, but thought weight could be maintained by running 300 miles

every morning and starving yourself to death! LOL : )

My ex-PCP was a thin man and jogged every morning and went to the

gym probably every day. Great for people who can do that.

Unfortunately, people like this do not live realistic lives. They

think that because they are thin, and have no problems maintaining

their weight, that everyone else should be the same way. The last

time I went to him was last May. I begged him to put me on a liquid

protein fast. I knew it wasn't going to work, but this was my last

attempt at " one more diet " before I made the big decision to have

WLS. His comment was.... " let's try another diet, one more time... "

under his breath. It really hurt my feelings. By this time I had

dieted my way up the scale to 302 pounds. I lost 14 pounds on this

diet, and it was killing me. I was starving all of the time. I

then said, screw it and changed PCP's a couple of times just trying

to find the right WLS-friendly doctor. I sent out my plea to

everyone on this list asking everyone if they knew of a doctor that

was WLS in the greater Los Angeles area. Kathy P. replied back and

told me about Dr. Forman who is in the same building as Dr. Anthone.

Thanks to Kathy P., I will probably be having surgery in about one

month.

Please, please, do not give up hope. There are other doctors out

there that do agree with WLS.

Hugs,

Debbie Jamil

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> And BTW he's skinny...>

Stella,

Don't ya just hate it? Oh, how I sympathize with you! I went

through diets for 13 years with my ex-PCP. He was a very likable

guy, but thought weight could be maintained by running 300 miles

every morning and starving yourself to death! LOL : )

My ex-PCP was a thin man and jogged every morning and went to the

gym probably every day. Great for people who can do that.

Unfortunately, people like this do not live realistic lives. They

think that because they are thin, and have no problems maintaining

their weight, that everyone else should be the same way. The last

time I went to him was last May. I begged him to put me on a liquid

protein fast. I knew it wasn't going to work, but this was my last

attempt at " one more diet " before I made the big decision to have

WLS. His comment was.... " let's try another diet, one more time... "

under his breath. It really hurt my feelings. By this time I had

dieted my way up the scale to 302 pounds. I lost 14 pounds on this

diet, and it was killing me. I was starving all of the time. I

then said, screw it and changed PCP's a couple of times just trying

to find the right WLS-friendly doctor. I sent out my plea to

everyone on this list asking everyone if they knew of a doctor that

was WLS in the greater Los Angeles area. Kathy P. replied back and

told me about Dr. Forman who is in the same building as Dr. Anthone.

Thanks to Kathy P., I will probably be having surgery in about one

month.

Please, please, do not give up hope. There are other doctors out

there that do agree with WLS.

Hugs,

Debbie Jamil

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At 21:39 +0000 2/5/01, djamil@... had this to say:

>Please, please, do not give up hope. There are other doctors out

>there that do agree with WLS.

Oh, I'm not giving up! No chance, no way...but I do want WLS my way,

which is the DS not the RNY, which is what is offered in Memphis and

what most everyone around here seems to think is the only WLS there

is.

--stella

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At 21:39 +0000 2/5/01, djamil@... had this to say:

>Please, please, do not give up hope. There are other doctors out

>there that do agree with WLS.

Oh, I'm not giving up! No chance, no way...but I do want WLS my way,

which is the DS not the RNY, which is what is offered in Memphis and

what most everyone around here seems to think is the only WLS there

is.

--stella

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Time for a new PCP. Did you give him the Hess report? how about the NIH

statement. bummer... so sorry. Does your insurance require the LOMN from

the PCP or can a surgeon do it for you?

in Seattle

DS 1/5/01

Dr Welker

----- Original Message -----

From: " Stella Sloop "

> I saw my PCP this morning; he refused to write a LOMN unless I give

> dieting another shot, this time using the Atkins diet under his (Dr.

> W's) weekly supervision for at least 1 month. I just sat there with

> tears running down my face.

>

> --stella

>

>

>

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Stella,

Now this is just my opinion but why give him the time of day? The

adkins diet has been booed by most of the medical world as totally

unsafe. What you lose in pounds you gain in cholestral. It is a

diet guaranteed to fail. But not at first. At first you will lose

weight (If you stick to it and eat absolutely zero carbs for 21 days)

You need 2 types of proteins to live normally and they are complete

protein found in animals and incomplete protein found in potatos rice

breads beans nuts, etc. I had a friend that went on this stupid diet

and lost 50 pounds but his cholestral went from 190 to 275 and now he

takes lipator. This diet can cause changes in your blood sugar.

Blood sugar needs a certain amount of carbs to regulate. If you do

not ingest those carbs then your liver makes enzymes (sugar) to

balance out the production of insulin. If this doctor really wanted

had your best interests at heart he would have sent you to a

nutritionalist. You would best spend your time looking for a PCP

that is WLS friendly. Or at least understands that obesity is NOT a

self-discipline issue for everyone. My PCP brought tears to my eyes

when he said to me: " Most overweight people have more discipline in

their big toes than a skinny person. " We became obese because of

genes or forks but we became morbidly obese because of diets. Stand

up for yourself, because no one is going to do it for you. 5 months

ago I got on fasten for 3 months and lost 20 pounds. I got on the

scales the other day and have gained it all back plus 5 pounds.

I did not eat much because I did not get hungry. When I finished the

3 month course of fasten, my apetite came back and so did the

weight. Oh, well! that is the story of my diet life.

Viau

Marquette, MI

Dr Ren, NYUMC

3/29/01

BCBSM PPO approved

BMI 54

> Thank you, everyone, for your words of wisdom and support.

>

> This doctor is very much against WLS period, and wants to try to

> prove to me that it's just a matter of self-discipline and

> determination. This is despite my telling hinm I've been on every

> diet under the sun and have lost and gained and lost and gained on

> them all.

>

> I know it's a matter of self-discipline; however, if that were all

it

> took I wouldn't be in the shape I'm in now!

>

> He is my PCP because he is also my DH's, and the doctor used by his

> company for their drug screenings, etc. I can find another and

> establish a new relationship if after this month he still won't

give

> me the referral, which I do need for insurance coverage. But I am

> going to give him his month first and then we'll see.

>

> And BTW he's skinny...

>

> --stella

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