Re: Food Addiction

[Guest guest]

by say it is a whole nuther store than you are calling bipolar people nuts, cause i do hope that is wrong... there are many people and some on these groups that have these problems and my son has them and so does a few others i know , i believe it is these times and stress of todays world that some can not handle is the problem but that does not make them nuts, you need to read up on this subject and not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact that you spelt the word that way ..

we all have a right to state something but you need to think about the people on this site that may have that problem.

take care

shirleyUncle Timmy wrote:

You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have bad genetics (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My drug of choice is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially acceptable, but my brain is wired no differently than a crack addict. I also self-medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She was/is bipolar, but as you say, that's a whole "nuther" story!) I found a good book on the subject, "Anatomy of a Food Addiction: The Brain Chemistry of Overeating." Don't be put off by the title. It's really easy to read, and not filled with scientific mumbo-jumbo or psychobabble.I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The surgery isn't going to do anything about "head hunger." That's a project that needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. I'm almost

two years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction every single day. Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be fought on many fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that unlike drugs and alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to retrain myself to see food as only fuel for my body. Uncle Timmy -226 > > I have a question for you all. My

sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > weeks > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give her > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > worried > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she figured > it > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any protein > at > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > drinks > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > Third > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best > for > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > reminding > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly

told me I was no fun > to > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > I'm > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > guidelines > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > strawberries. > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > should > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't > expect > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > Tina> > Pre-Op / Richmond> > Dr. Baggs> > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > 330/297/165 some day> >

> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

Fwiw, I didn’t read “nuther”

as NUT her……….I read it as an abbreviation of a three syllable

word to a two syllable word.

From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

[mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ]

On Behalf Of Shirley Weber

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:59

PM

To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

Subject: Re:

Food Addiction

by say it is a whole nuther store than you are calling bipolar people

nuts, cause i do hope that is wrong... there are many people and some on these

groups that have these problems and my son has them and so does a few others i

know , i believe it is these times and stress of todays world that some can not

handle is the problem but that does not make them nuts, you need to read up on

this subject and not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact that you

spelt the word that way ..

we all have a right to state something but you need to

think about the people on this site that may have that problem.

take care

shirley

Uncle Timmy

wrote:

You're telling my story,

Chris! While I also have bad genetics

(I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an

addict. My drug of choice

is just more accessible, cheaper, and more

socially acceptable, but

my brain is wired no differently than a crack

addict. I also self-

medicated my way through a bad marriage.

(She was/is bipolar, but

as you say, that's a whole " nuther "

story!)

I found a good book on the subject, " Anatomy

of a Food Addiction:

The Brain Chemistry of Overeating. "

Don't be put off by the title.

It's really easy to read, and not filled with

scientific mumbo-jumbo

or psychobabble.

I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts.

The surgery isn't

going to do anything about " head

hunger. " That's a project that

needs to be worked on in addition to the

surgery. I'm almost two

years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction

every single day.

Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be

fought on many

fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is

that unlike drugs and

alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to

retrain myself to see

food as only fuel for my body.

Uncle Timmy -226

> > I have a question for you all. My

sis-in-law had the surgery 4

> weeks

> > ago yesterday. I've try to be very

encouraging to her and give

her

> > gentle advice but...sometimes I just

want to yell at her! I'm

> worried

> > about her. First of all, she wasn't

taking her anti-depressant

> > because they didn't give it to her in

the hospital so she

figured

> it

> > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was

hardly getting any

protein

> at

> > all and not very much water. I got her

some Herbalife protein

> drinks

> > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz

and are pretty tasty.

> Third

> > of all, I think she is eating things

that might not be the best

> for

> > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her

vitamins. I was gently

> reminding

> > her how much better she was going to

feel if she got some more

> > protein in her and more fluids. She

jokingly told me I was no

fun

> to

> > call. She knows I mean well but I guess

is tired of hearing it.

> I'm

> > worried that she went through this life

changing surgery and was

> > really not ready and is really not willing

to follow the

> guidelines

> > for a successful WLS. She's not eating

her protein first, she is

> > eating more than 3 times a day, and some

of her meals consist of

> > strawberries.

> >

> > Anyone have any advice on how I can

approach her about this or

> should

> > I just butt out OR am I just being too

strict and I shouldn't

> expect

> > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder?

> >

> > Any input would be appreciated!

> >

> > Tina

> > Pre-Op / Richmond

> > Dr. Baggs

> > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!

> > 330/297/165 some day

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued.

By " whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was off-topic, and

not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate. (It was also

not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from clinical

depression, and happen to work for a non-profit social service

agency, which (among other things) serves the mental health

community. So please do not presume that I am unfamiliar or

unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow travellers face

on a daily basis.

Uncle Timmy -226

> > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4

> > weeks

> > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give

> her

> > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm

> > worried

> > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant

> > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she

> figured

> > it

> > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any

> protein

> > at

> > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein

> > drinks

> > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty.

> > Third

> > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the

best

> > for

> > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently

> > reminding

> > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more

> > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no

> fun

> > to

> > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing

it.

> > I'm

> > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and

was

> > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the

> > guidelines

> > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she

is

> > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist

of

> > > strawberries.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or

> > should

> > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't

> > expect

> > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder?

> > >

> > > Any input would be appreciated!

> > >

> > > Tina

> > > Pre-Op / Richmond

> > > Dr. Baggs

> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!

> > > 330/297/165 some day

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I think you misread the "nuther". I didn't think he was saying "nut" "her"...but rather, doing the Southern version of "another".Uncle Timmy wrote:

Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued. By "whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was off-topic, and not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate. (It was also not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from clinical depression, and happen to work for a non-profit social service agency, which (among other things) serves the mental health community. So please do not presume that I am unfamiliar or unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow travellers face on a daily basis.Uncle Timmy -226 > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any > protein > > at > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > > drinks > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > > Third > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not

be the best > > for > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > > reminding > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no > fun > > to > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > > I'm > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > > guidelines > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > > strawberries. > > > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > > should > > > I just butt out OR am I

just being too strict and I shouldn't > > expect > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > > > Tina> > > Pre-Op / Richmond> > > Dr. Baggs> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > >

[Guest guest]

I've often wished that there was a drug I could take similar to antibuse that would make me ill if I ate the wrong things! It doesn't help that for most of our parents, food was seen as a reward--you were a great man if you could put food on the table and mom almost always dried our tears and then handed us something sweet when we skinned a knee. No wonder it's so hard to break out of using food for comfort!

I too have been fat my whole life--I was on prescription diet pills when I was SEVEN years old! can you imagine not only the parent that would think that was all right but the doctor who would prescribe such a thing? The only thing to be grateful about concerning my addiction/self medicating is that it's made me so miserable I vowed to break the cycle when I was pregnant with my now 14 year old daughter. No way was I going to pass my bad habits on to her. Little did I have to worry about--the kid refused to eat till she was four days old! Her doctor said she is a perfect eater--eats when she's hungry, stops when she's full and will not eat just because it's meal time. He said she still knows all the things that the rest of us spend a lifetime and a fortune trying to relearn once society has screwed us up. I've never had her on a schedule either; quite often her dad and I would eat dinner and then a couple of hours later fix hers because she

wasn't hungry when we were. I can't tell you the battles I've had with day care, preschool and then grade school with people trying to make her eat! I've had to tell people, I pay for her food and if she doesn't eat it so what? She's perfectly healthy, under no circumstances are you to force her to eat or punish her (i.e., make her sit at the lunch table and miss recess till you finish) for not eating. They don't get it--most of them are overweight too!

Chris

Uncle Timmy wrote:

You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have bad genetics (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My drug of choice is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially acceptable, but my brain is wired no differently than a crack addict. I also self-medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She was/is bipolar, but as you say, that's a whole "nuther" story!) I found a good book on the subject, "Anatomy of a Food Addiction: The Brain Chemistry of Overeating." Don't be put off by the title. It's really easy to read, and not filled with scientific mumbo-jumbo or psychobabble.I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The surgery isn't going to do anything about "head hunger." That's a project that needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. I'm almost

two years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction every single day. Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be fought on many fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that unlike drugs and alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to retrain myself to see food as only fuel for my body. Uncle Timmy -226 > > I have a question for you all. My

sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > weeks > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give her > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > worried > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she figured > it > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any protein > at > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > drinks > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > Third > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best > for > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > reminding > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly

told me I was no fun > to > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > I'm > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > guidelines > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > strawberries. > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > should > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't > expect > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > Tina> > Pre-Op / Richmond> > Dr. Baggs> > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > 330/297/165 some day> >

> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

I think he was "nuther" as a way of saying "another" and not calling any one nuts. I'll let him speak for himself but I'd be very surprised if it was a different explanation. I can understand your sensitivity but I think you're over-reacting. I have NEVER seen ANYONE on this list bash any kind of problem and given the fact that we pudgies have been called everything in the book, most have a special sensitivity to other folks and their imperfections..

ChrisShirley Weber wrote:

by say it is a whole nuther store than you are calling bipolar people nuts, cause i do hope that is wrong... there are many people and some on these groups that have these problems and my son has them and so does a few others i know , i believe it is these times and stress of todays world that some can not handle is the problem but that does not make them nuts, you need to read up on this subject and not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact that you spelt the word that way ..

we all have a right to state something but you need to think about the people on this site that may have that problem.

take care

shirleyUncle Timmy wrote:

You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have bad genetics (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My drug of choice is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially acceptable, but my brain is wired no differently than a crack addict. I also self-medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She was/is bipolar, but as you say, that's a whole "nuther" story!) I found a good book on the subject, "Anatomy of a Food Addiction: The Brain Chemistry of Overeating." Don't be put off by the title. It's really easy to read, and not filled with scientific mumbo-jumbo or psychobabble.I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The surgery isn't going to do anything about "head hunger." That's a project that needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. I'm almost

two years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction every single day. Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be fought on many fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that unlike drugs and alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to retrain myself to see food as only fuel for my body. Uncle Timmy -226 > > I have a question for you all. My

sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > weeks > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give her > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > worried > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she figured > it > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any protein > at > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > drinks > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > Third > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best > for > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > reminding > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly

told me I was no fun > to > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > I'm > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > guidelines > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > strawberries. > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > should > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't > expect > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > Tina> > Pre-Op / Richmond> > Dr. Baggs> > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > 330/297/165 some day> >

> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

Alas the problems of typing. If we'd been talking, everyone would have gotten that aliteration. Somethings just get lost in the translation when it's not spoken. Then again, we shouldn't assume another person's meaning either.Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Yeah, I think you misread the "nuther". I didn't think he was saying "nut" "her"...but rather, doing the Southern version of "another".Uncle Timmy wrote: Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued. By "whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was off-topic, and not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate. (It was also not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from clinical depression, and happen to work for a non-profit social service agency, which (among other things) serves the mental health community. So please do not presume that I am unfamiliar or unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow travellers face on a daily basis.Uncle Timmy -226 > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any > protein > > at > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > > drinks > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > > Third > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not

be the best > > for > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > > reminding > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no > fun > > to > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > > I'm > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > > guidelines > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > > strawberries. > > > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > > should > > > I just butt out OR am I

just being too strict and I shouldn't > > expect > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > > > Tina> > > Pre-Op / Richmond> > > Dr. Baggs> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > >

[Guest guest]

I too work for a population considered diff by

society. I work for a homeless shelter that has a very

large portion of clients that are dual diagnosed

(Substance/mental health) and it is a daily challenge

to have them take the correct meds and not over

medicate. Many of our clients are long term addicts

and to watch them try to refrain from drugs and

alcohol is like looking at a mirror when i am

refraining from a loaf of french bread and butter. The

insane thinking, acting and rationalization is the

same as theirs. If i wanted it bad enough i propbably

would kill for it! Fixing is fixing! I too also have

bouts of depression and am a believer of meds, but

this food thing

.................................................................................\

.........................it

makes me CRAZY!!!!

Cecilia

--- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was

> misconstrued.

> By " whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was

> off-topic, and

> not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate.

> (It was also

> not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from

> clinical

> depression, and happen to work for a non-profit

> social service

> agency, which (among other things) serves the mental

> health

> community. So please do not presume that I am

> unfamiliar or

> unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow

> travellers face

> on a daily basis.

>

> Uncle Timmy -226

>

>

> > > > Hi Tina,

> > > >

> > > > While I admire your concern for your

> sis-in-law I have to say

> > that

> > > she is the only one that can make this work. We

> can not/should

> > not

> > > be responsible for other people's success or

> failure in any area

> > of

> > > life. That's called being a co-dependent. It's

> weird because

> the

> > > more we try to help, usually the more rebellious

> the person

> > > becomes. Like an addict or alcoholic we can't

> change them and

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Maybe future use of the of that replacement should be typed as 'nother. wrote:

Fwiw, I didn’t read “nuther” as NUT her……….I read it as an abbreviation of a three syllable word to a two syllable word.

From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ] On Behalf Of Shirley WeberSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:59 PMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Re: Food Addiction

by say it is a whole nuther store than you are calling bipolar people nuts, cause i do hope that is wrong... there are many people and some on these groups that have these problems and my son has them and so does a few others i know , i believe it is these times and stress of todays world that some can not handle is the problem but that does not make them nuts, you need to read up on this subject and not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact that you spelt the word that way ..

we all have a right to state something but you need to think about the people on this site that may have that problem.

take care

shirleyUncle Timmy wrote:

You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have bad genetics (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My drug of choice is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially acceptable, but my brain is wired no differently than a crack addict. I also self-medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She was/is bipolar, but as you say, that's a whole "nuther" story!) I found a good book on the subject, "Anatomy of a Food Addiction: The

Brain Chemistry of Overeating." Don't be put off by the title. It's really easy to read, and not filled with scientific mumbo-jumbo or psychobabble.I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The surgery isn't going to do anything about "head hunger." That's a project that needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. I'm almost two years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction every single day. Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be fought on many fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that unlike drugs and alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to retrain myself to see food as only fuel for my body. Uncle Timmy -226 > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > weeks

> > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give her > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > worried > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she figured > it > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any protein > at > > all and not very much water. I got her some

Herbalife protein > drinks > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > Third > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best > for > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > reminding > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no fun > to > > call. She

knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > I'm > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > guidelines > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > strawberries. > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > should > > I

just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't > expect > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > Tina> > Pre-Op / Richmond> > Dr. Baggs> > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

True...but when trying to translate someone's words, one should keep in mind what we know about the writer. And in doing so, you can only assume that no harm was intended...since he's one of the most kind and sensitive and supportive people on the board!

Right?

Robynn

chris lopez wrote:

Alas the problems of typing. If we'd been talking, everyone would have gotten that aliteration. Somethings just get lost in the translation when it's not spoken. Then again, we shouldn't assume another person's meaning either.Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Yeah, I think you misread the "nuther". I didn't think he was saying "nut" "her"...but rather, doing the Southern version of "another".Uncle Timmy wrote: Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued. By "whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was off-topic, and not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate. (It was also not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from clinical depression, and happen to work for a non-profit social service agency, which (among other things) serves the mental health community. So please do not presume that I am unfamiliar or unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow travellers face on a daily basis.Uncle Timmy -226 > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any > protein > > at > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > > drinks > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > > Third > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not

be the best > > for > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > > reminding > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no > fun > > to > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > > I'm > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > > guidelines > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > > strawberries. > > > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > > should > > > I just butt out OR am I

just being too strict and I shouldn't > > expect > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > > > Tina> > > Pre-Op / Richmond> > > Dr. Baggs> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > >

[Guest guest]

Robynn, I agree with you. Uncle Timmy is so sweet

here and would never say anything to offend anyone.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> True...but when trying to translate someone's words,

> one should keep in mind what we know about the

> writer. And in doing so, you can only assume that

> no harm was intended...since he's one of the most

> kind and sensitive and supportive people on the

> board!

>

> Right?

>

> Robynn

>

>

>

>

> chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:

> Alas the problems of typing. If we'd been talking,

> everyone would have gotten that aliteration.

> Somethings just get lost in the translation when

> it's not spoken. Then again, we shouldn't assume

> another person's meaning either.

>

> Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Yeah, I think you misread the " nuther " . I didn't

> think he was saying " nut " " her " ...but rather, doing

> the Southern version of " another " .

>

> Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote: Absolutely

> NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued.

>

> By " whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was

> off-topic, and

> not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate.

> (It was also

> not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from

> clinical

> depression, and happen to work for a non-profit

> social service

> agency, which (among other things) serves the mental

> health

> community. So please do not presume that I am

> unfamiliar or

> unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow

> travellers face

> on a daily basis.

>

> Uncle Timmy -226

>

>

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > I know you metion addict here. I know for one I

> was a

> bread/pasta

> > > addict. Since the approval of this program, I

> have totally

> > changed

> > > what I eat because I want to have this work for

> me. I was

> > > discussing this with a co-worker once I was

> approved (yes, the

> > same

> > > co-worker who is the sabatour I spoke of before)

> She said she

> > would

> > > have a hard time not using protion control/pouch

> happy foods.

> And

> > > said I guess I will be throwing up alot then. I

> was

> flabergasted

> > by

> > > this comment. It goes to show that with out the

> reversal of how

> > we

> > > think about food, this surgery won't work. By

> the way, the

> Atkins

> > > hasn't been working for her is actually still

> putting on more

>

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[Guest guest]

I think in today's world, giving diet pills to a seven-year-old

would qualify as child abuse! Speaking of Antabuse, I think dumping

is the closest we can hope for. Unfortunaley, I have never dumped.

On anything. Rats! Sometimes I wish I did!

And yes, besides genetics and brain chemisty (compulsive/addictiive

behavior), there is a HUGE cultural component to obesity. When I

was a kid and we'd visit our very Irish-Catholic cousins, the first

they said, was, " Come in, Have something to eat! " And oh my God,

you NEVER threw away food! My Dad graduated high school in 1928, at

the height of the depression, and wasting food was a capital offense

to him!

Uncle Timmy -226

> > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4

> > weeks

> > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give

> her

> > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm

> > worried

> > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant

> > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she

> figured

> > it

> > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any

> protein

> > at

> > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein

> > drinks

> > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty.

> > Third

> > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the

best

> > for

> > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently

> > reminding

> > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more

> > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no

> fun

> > to

> > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing

it.

> > I'm

> > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and

was

> > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the

> > guidelines

> > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she

is

> > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist

of

> > > strawberries.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or

> > should

> > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't

> > expect

> > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder?

> > >

> > > Any input would be appreciated!

> > >

> > > Tina

> > > Pre-Op / Richmond

> > > Dr. Baggs

> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!

> > > 330/297/165 some day

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Absolutely!

ChrisRobynn VanPatten wrote:

True...but when trying to translate someone's words, one should keep in mind what we know about the writer. And in doing so, you can only assume that no harm was intended...since he's one of the most kind and sensitive and supportive people on the board!

Right?

Robynn

chris lopez wrote:

Alas the problems of typing. If we'd been talking, everyone would have gotten that aliteration. Somethings just get lost in the translation when it's not spoken. Then again, we shouldn't assume another person's meaning either.Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Yeah, I think you misread the "nuther". I didn't think he was saying "nut" "her"...but rather, doing the Southern version of "another".Uncle Timmy wrote: Absolutely NOT! I appologize, if my comment was misconstrued. By "whole 'nuther' story, I simply meant that it was off-topic, and not germane to why I felt the need to self medicate. (It was also not relevent to my divorce.) I myself suffer from clinical depression, and happen to work for a non-profit social service agency, which (among other things) serves the mental health community. So please do not presume that I am unfamiliar or unsympathetic to the very real challenges our fellow travellers face on a daily basis.Uncle Timmy -226 > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any > protein > > at > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > > drinks > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > > Third > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not

be the best > > for > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > > reminding > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no > fun > > to > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > > I'm > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the > > guidelines > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > > strawberries. > > > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > > should > > > I just butt out OR am I

just being too strict and I shouldn't > > expect > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > > > Tina> > > Pre-Op / Richmond> > > Dr. Baggs> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > >

[Guest guest]

You said it all Chris. Thank you.

Pam Marsh

--- chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:

> I think he was " nuther " as a way of saying " another "

> and not calling any one nuts. I'll let him speak for

> himself but I'd be very surprised if it was a

> different explanation. I can understand your

> sensitivity but I think you're over-reacting. I

> have NEVER seen ANYONE on this list bash any kind of

> problem and given the fact that we pudgies have been

> called everything in the book, most have a special

> sensitivity to other folks and their imperfections..

>

>

> Chris

>

> Shirley Weber gmshirley@...> wrote:

> by say it is a whole nuther store than you are

> calling bipolar people nuts, cause i do hope that is

> wrong... there are many people and some on these

> groups that have these problems and my son has them

> and so does a few others i know , i believe it is

> these times and stress of todays world that some can

> not handle is the problem but that does not make

> them nuts, you need to read up on this subject and

> not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact

> that you spelt the word that way ..

> we all have a right to state something but you

> need to think about the people on this site that may

> have that problem.

>

> take care

>

>

> shirley

>

> Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have

> bad genetics

> (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My

> drug of choice

> is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially

> acceptable, but

> my brain is wired no differently than a crack

> addict. I also self-

> medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She

> was/is bipolar, but

> as you say, that's a whole " nuther " story!)

>

> I found a good book on the subject, " Anatomy of a

> Food Addiction:

> The Brain Chemistry of Overeating. " Don't be put

> off by the title.

> It's really easy to read, and not filled with

> scientific mumbo-jumbo

> or psychobabble.

>

> I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The

> surgery isn't

> going to do anything about " head hunger. " That's a

> project that

> needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery.

> I'm almost two

> years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction

> every single day.

> Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be

> fought on many

> fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that

> unlike drugs and

> alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to

> retrain myself to see

> food as only fuel for my body.

>

> Uncle Timmy -226

>

>

>

>

> > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had

> the surgery 4

> > weeks

> > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging

> to her and give

> her

> > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to

> yell at her! I'm

> > worried

> > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her

> anti-depressant

> > > because they didn't give it to her in the

> hospital so she

> figured

> > it

> > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly

> getting

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you , Nuther does not mean " Nut " ...it means " another "

To Tina,

As a newly (8 days) gastric, I think success so far, I would let her know

that she needs to follow the program to be successfull. I wasn't eating

enough at first or getting enough protein and a fellow patient who had the

surgery the same day I did kept reminding me that I needed to get that

protein in. If you do what is necessary, you don't feel hungary. Also the

VITAMINS are extremely important. I am so glad I did it....

>

>Reply-To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

>To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients >

>Subject: RE: Food Addiction

>Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:13:30 -0400

>

>Fwiw, I didn't read " nuther " as NUT her....I read it as an abbreviation of

>a

>three syllable word to a two syllable word.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

>[mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ] On Behalf

>Of

>Shirley Weber

>Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:59 PM

>To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

>Subject: Re: Food Addiction

>

>

>

>by say it is a whole nuther store than you are calling bipolar people nuts,

>cause i do hope that is wrong... there are many people and some on these

>groups that have these problems and my son has them and so does a few

>others

>i know , i believe it is these times and stress of todays world that some

>can not handle is the problem but that does not make them nuts, you need to

>read up on this subject and not makes judgements cause i for one resent the

>fact that you spelt the word that way ..

>

> we all have a right to state something but you need to think about the

>people on this site that may have that problem.

>

>

>

>take care

>

>

>

>

>

>shirley

>

>Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

>

>You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have bad genetics

>(I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My drug of choice

>is just more accessible, cheaper, and more socially acceptable, but

>my brain is wired no differently than a crack addict. I also self-

>medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She was/is bipolar, but

>as you say, that's a whole " nuther " story!)

>

>I found a good book on the subject, " Anatomy of a Food Addiction:

>The Brain Chemistry of Overeating. " Don't be put off by the title.

>It's really easy to read, and not filled with scientific mumbo-jumbo

>or psychobabble.

>

>I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The surgery isn't

>going to do anything about " head hunger. " That's a project that

>needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. I'm almost two

>years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction every single day.

>Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be fought on many

>fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that unlike drugs and

>alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to retrain myself to see

>food as only fuel for my body.

>

>Uncle Timmy -226

>

>

>

>

> > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4

> > weeks

> > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give

>her

> > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm

> > worried

> > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant

> > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she

>figured

> > it

> > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any

>protein

> > at

> > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein

> > drinks

> > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty.

> > Third

> > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best

> > for

> > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently

> > reminding

> > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more

> > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no

>fun

> > to

> > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it.

> > I'm

> > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was

> > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the

> > guidelines

> > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is

> > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of

> > > strawberries.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or

> > should

> > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't

> > expect

> > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder?

> > >

> > > Any input would be appreciated!

> > >

> > > Tina

> > > Pre-Op / Richmond

> > > Dr. Baggs

> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!

> > > 330/297/165 some day

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

You are so right! Addiction is addiction. It doesn't matter what

the substance is. It boils down to self-medicating to alter our

realities. I can totally relate. We also provide housing and money

management services to people with various barriers to social

integration: mental health, addiction, disabilities, poverty, etc.)

Every day, I'm reminded that there but for the grace of God . . .

Uncle Timmy -226

The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well.

> > > > > Hi Tina,

> > > > >

> > > > > While I admire your concern for your

> > sis-in-law I have to say

> > > that

> > > > she is the only one that can make this work. We

> > can not/should

> > > not

> > > > be responsible for other people's success or

> > failure in any area

> > > of

> > > > life. That's called being a co-dependent. It's

> > weird because

> > the

> > > > more we try to help, usually the more rebellious

> > the person

> > > > becomes. Like an addict or alcoholic we can't

> > change them and

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

It's getting deep in here! Move on!

Uncle Timmy -226

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > > I know you metion addict here. I know for one I

> > was a

> > bread/pasta

> > > > addict. Since the approval of this program, I

> > have totally

> > > changed

> > > > what I eat because I want to have this work for

> > me. I was

> > > > discussing this with a co-worker once I was

> > approved (yes, the

> > > same

> > > > co-worker who is the sabatour I spoke of before)

> > She said she

> > > would

> > > > have a hard time not using protion control/pouch

> > happy foods.

> > And

> > > > said I guess I will be throwing up alot then. I

> > was

> > flabergasted

> > > by

> > > > this comment. It goes to show that with out the

> > reversal of how

> > > we

> > > > think about food, this surgery won't work. By

> > the way, the

> > Atkins

> > > > hasn't been working for her is actually still

> > putting on more

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, thank goodness there are probably no doctors that would do that now. Funny thing though, even though she had me on this diet my other ALWAYS served my plate and expected me to eat everything she gave me. Talk about mixed messages. My kid thinks I'm the best mom walking cause I never make her eat anything she doesn't want and don't serve her plate or make her clean it. She eats lots of leftovers. I still have to correct people who try to make her clean her plate.

My friend was mortified when she found out that eating sugar after surgery did not cause her to dump. I about had a stroke when she told me--I sure hope it has that affect on me. If I can eat sweets I'm dead!

Chris

Uncle Timmy wrote:

I think in today's world, giving diet pills to a seven-year-old would qualify as child abuse! Speaking of Antabuse, I think dumping is the closest we can hope for. Unfortunaley, I have never dumped. On anything. Rats! Sometimes I wish I did!And yes, besides genetics and brain chemisty (compulsive/addictiive behavior), there is a HUGE cultural component to obesity. When I was a kid and we'd visit our very Irish-Catholic cousins, the first they said, was, "Come in, Have something to eat!" And oh my God, you NEVER threw away food! My Dad graduated high school in 1928, at the height of the depression, and wasting food was a capital offense to him!Uncle Timmy -226 > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to

her in the hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any > protein > > at > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein > > drinks > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty tasty. > > Third > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the best > > for > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently > > reminding > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some more > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no > fun > > to > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing it. > > I'm > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and was > > > really

not ready and is really not willing to follow the > > guidelines > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she is > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist of > > > strawberries. > > > > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this or > > should > > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't > > expect > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder? > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated!> > > > > > Tina> > > Pre-Op / Richmond> > > Dr. Baggs> > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!> > > 330/297/165 some day> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

---------------------------------> > >

[Guest guest]

Pamela A Marsh wrote:

You said it all Chris. Thank you.Pam Marsh--- chris lopez wrote:> I think he was "nuther" as a way of saying "another"> and not calling any one nuts. I'll let him speak for> himself but I'd be very surprised if it was a> different explanation. I can understand your> sensitivity but I think you're over-reacting. I> have NEVER seen ANYONE on this list bash any kind of> problem and given the fact that we pudgies have been> called everything in the book, most have a special> sensitivity to other folks and their imperfections..> > > Chris> > Shirley Weber wrote:> by say it is a whole nuther store than you are> calling bipolar people nuts, cause i do hope that is>

wrong... there are many people and some on these> groups that have these problems and my son has them> and so does a few others i know , i believe it is> these times and stress of todays world that some can> not handle is the problem but that does not make> them nuts, you need to read up on this subject and> not makes judgements cause i for one resent the fact> that you spelt the word that way .. > we all have a right to state something but you> need to think about the people on this site that may> have that problem. > > take care> > > shirley> > Uncle Timmy wrote:> You're telling my story, Chris! While I also have> bad genetics > (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an addict. My> drug of choice > is just more accessible, cheaper, and more

socially> acceptable, but > my brain is wired no differently than a crack> addict. I also self-> medicated my way through a bad marriage. (She> was/is bipolar, but > as you say, that's a whole "nuther" story!) > > I found a good book on the subject, "Anatomy of a> Food Addiction: > The Brain Chemistry of Overeating." Don't be put> off by the title. > It's really easy to read, and not filled with> scientific mumbo-jumbo > or psychobabble.> > I've got some bad news, for my fellow addicts. The> surgery isn't > going to do anything about "head hunger." That's a> project that > needs to be worked on in addition to the surgery. > I'm almost two > years out (06/30) and I still fight my addiction> every single day. > Obesity is a very complex disease, and has to be> fought on

many > fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is that> unlike drugs and > alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is to> retrain myself to see > food as only fuel for my body. > > Uncle Timmy -226 > > > > > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had> the surgery 4 > > weeks > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging> to her and give > her > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to> yell at her! I'm > > worried > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her>

anti-depressant > > > because they didn't give it to her in the> hospital so she > figured > > it > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly> getting === message truncated ===__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Are you blushing Uncle Timmy?Uncle Timmy wrote:

It's getting deep in here! Move on!Uncle Timmy -226> > > > Chris> > > > > > > > I know you metion addict here. I know for one I> > was a > > bread/pasta > > > > addict. Since the approval of this program, I> > have totally > > > changed

> > > > what I eat because I want to have this work for> > me. I was > > > > discussing this with a co-worker once I was> > approved (yes, the > > > same > > > > co-worker who is the sabatour I spoke of before)> > She said she > > > would > > > > have a hard time not using protion control/pouch> > happy foods. > > And > > > > said I guess I will be throwing up alot then. I> > was > > flabergasted > > > by > > > > this comment. It goes to show that with out the> > reversal of how > > > we > > > > think about food, this surgery won't work. By> > the way, the > > Atkins > > > > hasn't been working for her is actually still> > putting on more > > >

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In Celebrate Recovery we say "We're all here because none of us are all there". And I thank God everyday that my issues are not worse. My legs hurt and I'm thankful I have legs, my brakes went out but I'm thankful it was in my won driveway and not in traffic, don't like my job but I'm thankful I have one, etc.

ChrisUncle Timmy wrote:

You are so right! Addiction is addiction. It doesn't matter what the substance is. It boils down to self-medicating to alter our realities. I can totally relate. We also provide housing and money management services to people with various barriers to social integration: mental health, addiction, disabilities, poverty, etc.) Every day, I'm reminded that there but for the grace of God . . . Uncle Timmy -226The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. > > > > > Hi Tina,> > > > > > > > > > While I admire your concern for your> > sis-in-law I have to say > > > that > > > > she is the only one that can make this work. We> > can not/should > > > not > > > > be responsible for other people's success or> > failure in any area > > > of

> > > > life. That's called being a co-dependent. It's> > weird because > > the > > > > more we try to help, usually the more rebellious> > the person > > > > becomes. Like an addict or alcoholic we can't> > change them and > > > === message truncated ===> > > __________________________________________________>

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Totally! Can we all take a deep cleansing breath? I think we all

get that this thread began with a simple misunderstanding.

'nuf said! Time to move on to a 'nuther topic!

Uncle Timmy -226

> > > > > Chris

> > > > >

> > > > > I know you metion addict here. I know for one I

> > > was a

> > > bread/pasta

> > > > > addict. Since the approval of this program, I

> > > have totally

> > > > changed

> > > > > what I eat because I want to have this work for

> > > me. I was

> > > > > discussing this with a co-worker once I was

> > > approved (yes, the

> > > > same

> > > > > co-worker who is the sabatour I spoke of before)

> > > She said she

> > > > would

> > > > > have a hard time not using protion control/pouch

> > > happy foods.

> > > And

> > > > > said I guess I will be throwing up alot then. I

> > > was

> > > flabergasted

> > > > by

> > > > > this comment. It goes to show that with out the

> > > reversal of how

> > > > we

> > > > > think about food, this surgery won't work. By

> > > the way, the

> > > Atkins

> > > > > hasn't been working for her is actually still

> > > putting on more

> > >

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> >

> >

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> >

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Go I!

--- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> You are so right! Addiction is addiction. It

> doesn't matter what

> the substance is. It boils down to self-medicating

> to alter our

> realities. I can totally relate. We also provide

> housing and money

> management services to people with various barriers

> to social

> integration: mental health, addiction, disabilities,

> poverty, etc.)

> Every day, I'm reminded that there but for the grace

> of God . . .

>

> Uncle Timmy -226

> The only normal people are the ones you don't know

> very well.

>

>

> > > > > Jeanne,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bizarre isn't it? It's so easy to be

> addicted

> > > to certain foods

> > > > because unlike alcohol or drugs, we're not

> going

> > > to get arrested

> > > or

> > > > kill anyone, except maybe ourselves. My

> > > ex-husband was an

> > > alcoholic

> > > > and whenever I'd try to talk to him about his

> > > drinking he'd bring

> > > up

> > > > my sugar addiciton. I know he was trying to

> shift

> > > the focus off

> > > his

> > > > behaviours and it drove me nuts, but he was

> right,

> > > I used to

> > > really

> > > > medicate with sugar (and the longer I was

> married

>

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And who said that is was quiet in here this week?

What I love about opinions is that we are so

passionate about our own.

SO now I can't get french bread and butter out of my

mind!

Cecilia

--- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> Totally! Can we all take a deep cleansing breath?

> I think we all

> get that this thread began with a simple

> misunderstanding.

> 'nuf said! Time to move on to a 'nuther topic!

>

> Uncle Timmy -226

>

>

>

> > > > > You're telling my story, Chris! While I

> also have

> > > > bad genetics

> > > > > (I've been fat since birth.) I'm also an

> addict.

> > > > My drug of

> > > > choice

> > > > > is just more accessible, cheaper, and more

> > > > socially acceptable,

> > > > but

> > > > > my brain is wired no differently than a

> crack

> > > > addict. I also self-

> > > > > medicated my way through a bad marriage.

> (She

> > > > was/is bipolar, but

> > > > > as you say, that's a whole " nuther " story!)

> > > > >

> > > > > I found a good book on the subject, " Anatomy

> of a

> > > > Food Addiction:

> > > > > The Brain Chemistry of Overeating. " Don't

> be put

> > > > off by the

> > > > title.

> > > > > It's really easy to read, and not filled

> with

> > > > scientific mumbo-

> > > > jumbo

> > > > > or psychobabble.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've got some bad news, for my fellow

> addicts.

> > > > The surgery isn't

> > > > > going to do anything about " head hunger. "

> That's

> > > > a project that

> > > > > needs to be worked on in addition to the

> surgery.

> > > > I'm almost two

> > > > > years out (06/30) and I still fight my

> addiction

> > > > every single

> > > > day.

> > > > > Obesity is a very complex disease, and has

> to be

> > > > fought on many

> > > > > fronts. Part of the reason it's so hard, is

> that

> > > > unlike drugs and

> > > > > alcohol, we need food to live. My goal is

> to

> > > > retrain myself to

> > > > see

> > > > > food as only fuel for my body.

> > > > >

> > > > > Uncle Timmy -226

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > >

> > >

>

gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ,

>

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When my daughter (now 25 yrs old) was a child, I never made her clean

her plate either. I just told her she couldn't have sweets or the

wrong things until she ate the good stuff. She drank lots of milk

for the good balance per suggestion from her doctor. and I'm so

thankful that she never got overweight and she learned very healthy

eating habits.

> > > > I have a question for you all. My sis-in-law had the surgery

4

> > > weeks

> > > > ago yesterday. I've try to be very encouraging to her and

give

> > her

> > > > gentle advice but...sometimes I just want to yell at her! I'm

> > > worried

> > > > about her. First of all, she wasn't taking her anti-

depressant

> > > > because they didn't give it to her in the hospital so she

> > figured

> > > it

> > > > was fine. Wrong! Second of all, she was hardly getting any

> > protein

> > > at

> > > > all and not very much water. I got her some Herbalife protein

> > > drinks

> > > > that have 15 grams of protein per 6-8 oz and are pretty

tasty.

> > > Third

> > > > of all, I think she is eating things that might not be the

> best

> > > for

> > > > her. Fourth of all, NOT taking her vitamins. I was gently

> > > reminding

> > > > her how much better she was going to feel if she got some

more

> > > > protein in her and more fluids. She jokingly told me I was no

> > fun

> > > to

> > > > call. She knows I mean well but I guess is tired of hearing

> it.

> > > I'm

> > > > worried that she went through this life changing surgery and

> was

> > > > really not ready and is really not willing to follow the

> > > guidelines

> > > > for a successful WLS. She's not eating her protein first, she

> is

> > > > eating more than 3 times a day, and some of her meals consist

> of

> > > > strawberries.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone have any advice on how I can approach her about this

or

> > > should

> > > > I just butt out OR am I just being too strict and I shouldn't

> > > expect

> > > > her to follow the rules that are in my Richmond binder?

> > > >

> > > > Any input would be appreciated!

> > > >

> > > > Tina

> > > > Pre-Op / Richmond

> > > > Dr. Baggs

> > > > weigh-in is on Monday!!!! Yikes!

> > > > 330/297/165 some day

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >