Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Curiously, there actually IS a study somewhere about the MMR 4 year old shot which admits that it is given to catch the 5% of kids who do not develop immunity at age 15 months. I should try to dredge it up, I bet Ray Gallup could supply it in a NY minute. Heidi Vaccinations I am not entirely sure if this information is correct but I was told that its better to try and hold off on the boosters until after age 5 or 6 and more language is acquired. Its supposed to be better if you really give the kids bodies time to recover from the "siege" they got at 15 months. I recommend doing the titers with a good allergist/immunologist. I don't use the pediatrician because I want an unbiased assessment. (Basically just the facts!). I use Dr. Perrin out of St. Joes. He was recommended to me by Dr. Mallik last year. I brought asked him to do the titers and fragile X and he asked me why I wanted it and gave me no arguments. She was immune to everything and we sent the report to the school. We will be going again next Month for the 2001-2002 school year. It's hard making her go through the blood test but definitely the lesser of the two evils. Its really interesting. I wonder how many children (Neurotypical), would really need those boosters at age 5? No one usually goes for titers. They never do studies on "normal" children and if they have their immunities still in tact at that age. There is a real argument for over vaccinating. Why do it if they don't need it. My answer is drug companies like to make money. I would love to see a study of nonautistic childrens titers levels. I wonder if I ever will. Probably not. Barbara SellixMosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 If you have his titers done you will receive a lab report from the Doctor (also he will call you) and basically it will tell you if he still has the immunity to the disease. My daughter last year scored high so she was immune. Below a certain level (and I am not sure what that is), they are not immune. I would definitely have it done and let me know what he scores. I am dying to find out how a NT child would do. Thanks, Barbara Sellix Vaccinations I am not entirely sure if this information is correct but I was told that its better to try and hold off on the boosters until after age 5 or 6 and more language is acquired. Its supposed to be better if you really give the kids bodies time to recover from the "siege" they got at 15 months. I recommend doing the titers with a good allergist/immunologist. I don't use the pediatrician because I want an unbiased assessment. (Basically just the facts!). I use Dr. Perrin out of St. Joes. He was recommended to me by Dr. Mallik last year. I brought asked him to do the titers and fragile X and he asked me why I wanted it and gave me no arguments. She was immune to everything and we sent the report to the school. We will be going again next Month for the 2001-2002 school year. It's hard making her go through the blood test but definitely the lesser of the two evils. Its really interesting. I wonder how many children (Neurotypical), would really need those boosters at age 5? No one usually goes for titers. They never do studies on "normal" children and if they have their immunities still in tact at that age. There is a real argument for over vaccinating. Why do it if they don't need it. My answer is drug companies like to make money. I would love to see a study of nonautistic childrens titers levels. I wonder if I ever will. Probably not. Barbara SellixMosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Mosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Wow that is very interesting. I'd love to see it. All these kids are getting unnecessary boosters because they might be part of 5%? Unbelievable! They should all be getting their titers done! Thanks for the info, Barbara Sellix Vaccinations I am not entirely sure if this information is correct but I was told that its better to try and hold off on the boosters until after age 5 or 6 and more language is acquired. Its supposed to be better if you really give the kids bodies time to recover from the "siege" they got at 15 months. I recommend doing the titers with a good allergist/immunologist. I don't use the pediatrician because I want an unbiased assessment. (Basically just the facts!). I use Dr. Perrin out of St. Joes. He was recommended to me by Dr. Mallik last year. I brought asked him to do the titers and fragile X and he asked me why I wanted it and gave me no arguments. She was immune to everything and we sent the report to the school. We will be going again next Month for the 2001-2002 school year. It's hard making her go through the blood test but definitely the lesser of the two evils. Its really interesting. I wonder how many children (Neurotypical), would really need those boosters at age 5? No one usually goes for titers. They never do studies on "normal" children and if they have their immunities still in tact at that age. There is a real argument for over vaccinating. Why do it if they don't need it. My answer is drug companies like to make money. I would love to see a study of nonautistic childrens titers levels. I wonder if I ever will. Probably not. Barbara SellixMosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Mosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 My 41/2yr. NT son ph is going to be 5 in June. Since his brother () is PDD I don't really want to give Joe his boosters. So are you saying I should have his titers checked and than what, if the levels are high/low that means he is immune and doesn't really need the booster? I had heard about haveing titers tested but I don't really understand it. I just registered him for Kindergarten and of course I have to send in the immunization record. Dawn Vaccinations I am not entirely sure if this information is correct but I was told that its better to try and hold off on the boosters until after age 5 or 6 and more language is acquired. Its supposed to be better if you really give the kids bodies time to recover from the "siege" they got at 15 months. I recommend doing the titers with a good allergist/immunologist. I don't use the pediatrician because I want an unbiased assessment. (Basically just the facts!). I use Dr. Perrin out of St. Joes. He was recommended to me by Dr. Mallik last year. I brought asked him to do the titers and fragile X and he asked me why I wanted it and gave me no arguments. She was immune to everything and we sent the report to the school. We will be going again next Month for the 2001-2002 school year. It's hard making her go through the blood test but definitely the lesser of the two evils. Its really interesting. I wonder how many children (Neurotypical), would really need those boosters at age 5? No one usually goes for titers. They never do studies on "normal" children and if they have their immunities still in tact at that age. There is a real argument for over vaccinating. Why do it if they don't need it. My answer is drug companies like to make money. I would love to see a study of nonautistic childrens titers levels. I wonder if I ever will. Probably not. Barbara SellixMosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Dawn, You need to ask the pediatrician to give you a prescription to go get the antibody levels for all of the vaccines that ph has already received. Hep B, HIB, DTaP, Polio, MMR and anything else he got. Varivax (chickenpox) for example. The slang is titers. Or maybe Carly can explain that word to us. The level of antibodies will demonstrate that he is already immune. Whether or not this is actually an official exemption is still unclear, but the schools seem to be accepting it. I don't know if being immune at age 5 guarantees that the person will stay immune their whole life or if a booster may be needed down the line. Carly? Heidi Vaccinations I am not entirely sure if this information is correct but I was told that its better to try and hold off on the boosters until after age 5 or 6 and more language is acquired. Its supposed to be better if you really give the kids bodies time to recover from the "siege" they got at 15 months. I recommend doing the titers with a good allergist/immunologist. I don't use the pediatrician because I want an unbiased assessment. (Basically just the facts!). I use Dr. Perrin out of St. Joes. He was recommended to me by Dr. Mallik last year. I brought asked him to do the titers and fragile X and he asked me why I wanted it and gave me no arguments. She was immune to everything and we sent the report to the school. We will be going again next Month for the 2001-2002 school year. It's hard making her go through the blood test but definitely the lesser of the two evils. Its really interesting. I wonder how many children (Neurotypical), would really need those boosters at age 5? No one usually goes for titers. They never do studies on "normal" children and if they have their immunities still in tact at that age. There is a real argument for over vaccinating. Why do it if they don't need it. My answer is drug companies like to make money. I would love to see a study of nonautistic childrens titers levels. I wonder if I ever will. Probably not. Barbara SellixMosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Mosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Paramus Park Food Court) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Hello listmates... I just wanted to no , if anyone knows how often you should get your child tiders checked...?????? Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 - I can't help the way our other better informed regarding vaccinations parents can but I can tell you this. I would switch doctors immediately. You doctor's attitude is completely insensitive and stubborn and with so many pediatricians around there has to be that is at the very least less nasty. To tell you to change physicians is a terrible thing to say - would he do the same to a Jehovah Witness? I can refer you to my doctor who knows nothing but would never throw me out of her practice because I am simply requesting to split a vaccine up. Would you tell us who this doctor is so we can avoid him? Barb << I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained to his pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I told him I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it up would require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have their younger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if I decide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymore because he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office. I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks. PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checked today. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her son . I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I was here for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luck because her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His arms were hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my . >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained to his pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I told him I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it up would require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have their younger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if I decide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymore because he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office. I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks. PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checked today. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her son . I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I was here for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luck because her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His arms were hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 Did you feel like smacking that doctor? Do you mind saying which doctor so we can be on alert? I don't know if the 7 injections are true, but from your doctor's attitude I would say he was just trying to be difficult because he didn't agree with you - or he is basically clueless. Good luck, > I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained to > his pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I told > him I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it up > would require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have their > younger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if I > decide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymore > because he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office. > > I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks. > > > > PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checked > today. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her son > . I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I was > here for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luck > because her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His arms > were hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 wrote about taking her son for vaccinations and that the pediatrician informed her that if she chooses not to vaccinate her son that she need not bring him to that practice anymore. Please tell me what Doctor this is and if anyone else knows of any other Doctor with this thought, please tell me. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 We use Dr. Fishkind in Old Tappan. > > I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained to > > his pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I told > > him I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it > up > > would require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have their > > younger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if I > > decide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymore > > because he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office. > > > > I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks. > > > > > > > > PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checked > > today. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her > son > > . I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I > was > > here for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luck > > because her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His arms > > were hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 , What a knucklehead that ped is! The DPT cannot really be split out. There is a separate (monovalent) Tetanus shot, but it CONTAINS 25 mcg of mercury, so I don't advise getting it. There is no monovalent Diptheria or Pertussis. There is a shot containing just Diptheria and Tetanus, but again , there is no mercury free alternative. We are considering a letter writing campaign to Kline Beechum to urge them to create these vaccines in the thimerosal free monovalent form. We need to find out if this is just a production change or if it would require FDA approval after clinical trials. I will keep everyone posted. I will be inquiring with a lawyer friend of mine about the validity of him asking you to leave the practice because you refuse to vaccinate. How old is this guy? Ancient? Sounds like an old timer... Does your older boy use the same pediatrician? Where do you live ? I'm sure we can find you a better ped than this wackjob. Heidi Re: Vaccinations - I can't help the way our other better informed regarding vaccinationsparents can but I can tell you this. I would switch doctors immediately.You doctor's attitude is completely insensitive and stubborn and with so manypediatricians around there has to be that is at the very least less nasty.To tell you to change physicians is a terrible thing to say - would he do thesame to a Jehovah Witness? I can refer you to my doctor who knows nothingbut would never throw me out of her practice because I am simply requestingto split a vaccine up. Would you tell us who this doctor is so we can avoidhim?Barb<< I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained tohis pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I toldhim I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it upwould require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have theiryounger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if Idecide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymorebecause he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office.I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks.PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checkedtoday. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her son. I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I washere for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luckbecause her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His armswere hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my .>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Hi Debbie, I just saw your post. My sons and I were kicked out by my old pediatricians because we wanted to delay vaccinations. Specifically, Dr. Tova Yellin of Maple Avenue Pediatrics asked me to leave. Other than the vaccine issues, Maple Avenue is a group of excellent Doctors, but we couldn't see eye to eye over the DTaP. -Kathy H. --- " fashion@... " fashion@...> wrote: > wrote about taking her son for vaccinations > and that the > pediatrician informed her that if she chooses not to > vaccinate her > son that she need not bring him to that practice > anymore. Please > tell me what Doctor this is and if anyone else knows > of any other > Doctor with this thought, please tell me. > Debbie > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 , I read in the Vaccine Guide that if a doctor gives you a problem on this, ask him to give you his written guarantee that your child will not have an adverse reactions to the vaccine and that he will be 100% safe. If he is willing to do this, you would be happy to vaccinate. It is stated that there is not a doctor in the country who would write any such thing. Cheryl In a message dated 3/9/01 8:17:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, BarbStrate@... writes: << - I can't help the way our other better informed regarding vaccinations parents can but I can tell you this. I would switch doctors immediately. You doctor's attitude is completely insensitive and stubborn and with so many pediatricians around there has to be that is at the very least less nasty. To tell you to change physicians is a terrible thing to say - would he do the same to a Jehovah Witness? I can refer you to my doctor who knows nothing but would never throw me out of her practice because I am simply requesting to split a vaccine up. Would you tell us who this doctor is so we can avoid him? Barb << I took my two month old son today for his checkup. I explained to his pediatrician that I wasn't getting the DPT shot today. I told him I wanted to wait or have it split up. He told me to split it up would require 7 injections! Has anyone on the list have their younger children's DPT shots split up? The doctor also said if I decide against vaccinations that I shouldn't bring him in anymore because he didn't want any non-immunized child in the office. I would appreciate some opinions. Thanks. PS: I also took my 5 year old, , to get his titers checked today. On the way in, another mother was on the way out with her son . I mentioned that was my son's name too. She asked if I was here for my 5 year check up. I said yes and she told me good luck because her son just finished his and had 4 injections! His arms were hurting. Poor kid. I'm glad that wasn't my . >> Mosaic-List is not confidential. Remember when you post it goes out to all members of the group. Mosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Ridgewood and Noble on 2nd floor at the computer section sitting area) and the 3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 I had my opinion of that practice formed before I even got on this group list. A friend lost a 5 month old baby to a virus that Maple Ave. did not pick up in time. Dr. Yellin dismissed it as flu like symptons. I wouldn't go there if they were the last doctors on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 In a message dated 3/14/01 9:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, fashion@... writes: << I had my opinion of that practice formed before I even got on this group list. A friend lost a 5 month old baby to a virus that Maple Ave. did not pick up in time. Dr. Yellin dismissed it as flu like symptons. I wouldn't go there if they were the last doctors on earth. >> Debbie: Has your friend considered the possibility that vaccines could have played a part in this child's death. It has happened. In fact, some researchers are now speculating that a huge proportion of SIDS deaths are really adverse reactions to vaccines. Perhaps, if she is emotionally able to handle reviewing the child's paperwork, she might want to investigate this possibility. There is a Federal Govt agency for reporting adverse vaccine incidents called VAERS. If there's any liklihood that this child died in relation to a vaccine incident, by law the Ped. is obligated to report it. The most likely " culprit " at that age would be DPT, either given while the child was already ill, or in combination with other vaccines, possibly resulting in an overload to an immature or compromised immune system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Belkin's daughter died after the Hep B shot, at around the same age. Heidi Re: Vaccinations << I had my opinion of that practice formed before I even got on thisgroup list. A friend lost a 5 month old baby to a virus thatMaple Ave. did not pick up in time. Dr. Yellin dismissed it asflu like symptons. I wouldn't go there if they were the lastdoctors on earth. >>Debbie: Has your friend considered the possibility that vaccines could haveplayed a part in this child's death. It has happened. In fact, someresearchers are now speculating that a huge proportion of SIDS deaths arereally adverse reactions to vaccines. Perhaps, if she is emotionally able tohandle reviewing the child's paperwork, she might want to investigate thispossibility. There is a Federal Govt agency for reporting adverse vaccineincidents called VAERS. If there's any liklihood that this child died inrelation to a vaccine incident, by law the Ped. is obligated to report it. The most likely "culprit" at that age would be DPT, either given whilethe child was already ill, or in combination with other vaccines, possiblyresulting in an overload to an immature or compromised immune system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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