Guest guest Posted March 7, 2001 Report Share Posted March 7, 2001 It is funny that some of you were discussing phenols a few days ago. I have been giving alittle ojw/calcium recently just to get alittle calcium into him (and than supplmenting with calcium citrate). This hasn't been bothering him. Last week I notice there was oj and tangering with calcium and thought that would be a nice change. Well the last few days I noticed his cheeks red again and he hasn't been taking his naps in the afternoon. After reading your posts I realized it must be the tangerine. I didn't even give him more than 8oz. in the AM and I can't believe what effect this had. All of this never stops amazing me! Just sharing. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 We avoid phenols like the plague - if Tim has these, within 15 minutes all hell starts to break loose. It is way not worth it for us. If he doesn't like rice milk, is Dari-Free an option for you? Yes, eliminating phenols does limit their foods but my son just can't afford what these do to him. My 2 cents, Ann >From: BarbStrate@... >Reply-To: Mosaic-List >To: Mosaic-List >Subject: Re: phenols >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:40:54 EST > >Fran- > We avoid phenols but have cut them out because our daughter loves >ketchup. But, the only fruit we give her are pears and the only juice is >organic pear, lemonade and sometimes pineapple but this is only to give her >vitamins or if we are out and she needs a drink. We have forced her to >accept water to try and avoid phenols outside the home and have also tried >to >force soda on her. This is a tough issue for me and I'm often quite torn >about allowing an item or not. So, we don't take it to the same extreme as >the gfcf diet and we try to limit her intake. >Barb > > > > ><< >i was wondering, do you give your children phenols? i'm just starting >to feel like john can't have anything anymore. i've recently >eliminated oranges, apples, tomatoes, red grapes, etc. In enraveling >the mystery etc. (karen seroussi), she says phoenols have the same >effects as gluten, casein, i think she's probably right. it's just so >hard cause my son won't drink the rice milk, so i wanted to continue >giving him orange juice with calcium, but i think it's a problem. >does anyone have any input > >> > > >Mosaic-List is not confidential. Remember when you post it goes out to all >members of the group. Mosaic meets the 2nd Thursday morning (Ridgewood > and Noble on 2nd floor at the computer section sitting area) and the >3rd Wednesday evening (The Arc in Hackensack) of every month. All are >welcome. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Does anyone have a complete list of what foods contain phenols? Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 She indicates foods that are high in phenols (frequently craved) include tomatoes, oranges, cocoa, bananas, red grapes and colored fruits, apples, cow's milk hi all..how can you determine if your child is craving or just desires that food because he likes it..thanks ..diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Fran- We have been doing the diet for gfcf diet for 2.5 years and in this time I've learned, at least for my child, it is very difficult to predict what foods do and when. For my daughter there hasn't been a true pattern. We are very very strict about the gfcf diet but beyond that we simply do the best we can. As I said, regarding phenols we try to limit them. Don't make yourself crazy here - remove what you can, evaluate the situation and decide if you want to remove more. Take it one step at a time and relax. Try the cookies and see what happens. I have yet to meet two children who respond to these diets in exactly the same way. You will eventually figure out what works best for your child and your situation. You are very well informed at an early stage and doing great - you don't have to do it all this week. Barb << Barb, But it's so hard when you don't know for sure if it's effecting your child. responded to me that even when he gives his son a few raisins he's up at night. I didn't even realize raisins are red grapes and I've been giving raisins. Yesterday I didn't give him any and he slept all night. I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, we'll see tonight. I wanted to give him those frookie cookies and just read that cocoa is high in phenols so I don't know what to do. Fran >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Hi Michele, In the book Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and other Pervasive Disorders ( Seroussi). She indicates foods that are high in phenols (frequently craved) include tomatoes, oranges, cocoa, bananas, red grapes and colored fruits, apples, cow's milk. I noticed my son definitely craved orange juice, tomatoe sauce and apples. I have noticed a difference since I eliminated these foods. But she also says that so many foods have phenols so it's really hard to completely restrict them from a child's diet and gave to her son in moderation. Fran > Does anyone have a complete list of what foods contain phenols? > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Barb, But it's so hard when you don't know for sure if it's effecting your child. responded to me that even when he gives his son a few raisins he's up at night. I didn't even realize raisins are red grapes and I've been giving raisins. Yesterday I didn't give him any and he slept all night. I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, we'll see tonight. I wanted to give him those frookie cookies and just read that cocoa is high in phenols so I don't know what to do. Fran - In Mosaic-List@y..., BarbStrate@a... wrote: > Fran- > We avoid phenols but have cut them out because our daughter loves > ketchup. But, the only fruit we give her are pears and the only juice is > organic pear, lemonade and sometimes pineapple but this is only to give her > vitamins or if we are out and she needs a drink. We have forced her to > accept water to try and avoid phenols outside the home and have also tried to > force soda on her. This is a tough issue for me and I'm often quite torn > about allowing an item or not. So, we don't take it to the same extreme as > the gfcf diet and we try to limit her intake. > Barb > > > In a message dated 3/6/01 11:07:55 AM, franpadovan@y... writes: > > << > i was wondering, do you give your children phenols? i'm just starting > to feel like john can't have anything anymore. i've recently > eliminated oranges, apples, tomatoes, red grapes, etc. In enraveling > the mystery etc. (karen seroussi), she says phoenols have the same > effects as gluten, casein, i think she's probably right. it's just so > hard cause my son won't drink the rice milk, so i wanted to continue > giving him orange juice with calcium, but i think it's a problem. > does anyone have any input > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Fran, Thanks for the info. It's been a while since I read that book. I'll go back and read that section again. Thanks. Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 > Fran- > We have been doing the diet for gfcf diet for 2.5 years and in this time > I've learned, at least for my child, it is very difficult to predict what > foods do and when. For my daughter there hasn't been a true pattern. We are > very very strict about the gfcf diet but beyond that we simply do the best we > can. As I said, regarding phenols we try to limit them. Don't make yourself > crazy here - remove what you can, evaluate the situation and decide if you > want to remove more. Take it one step at a time and relax. Try the cookies > and see what happens. I have yet to meet two children who respond to these > diets in exactly the same way. You will eventually figure out what works > best for your child and your situation. You are very well informed at an > early stage and doing great - you don't have to do it all this week. > Barb > > > In a message dated 3/8/01 9:51:59 PM, franpadovan@y... writes: > > << Barb, > > But it's so hard when you don't know for sure if it's effecting your > child. responded to me that even when he gives his son a few > raisins he's up at night. I didn't even realize raisins are red > grapes and I've been giving raisins. Yesterday I didn't give him > any and he slept all night. I don't know if it was a coincidence or > not, we'll see tonight. I wanted to give him those frookie cookies > and just read that cocoa is high in phenols so I don't know what to > do. > > Fran > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Thanks Barb, that is very good advice. I would really like to meet on the wednesday evening. What time do you meet? Thanks Fran - In Mosaic-List@y..., BarbStrate@a... wrote: > Fran- > We have been doing the diet for gfcf diet for 2.5 years and in this time > I've learned, at least for my child, it is very difficult to predict what > foods do and when. For my daughter there hasn't been a true pattern. We are > very very strict about the gfcf diet but beyond that we simply do the best we > can. As I said, regarding phenols we try to limit them. Don't make yourself > crazy here - remove what you can, evaluate the situation and decide if you > want to remove more. Take it one step at a time and relax. Try the cookies > and see what happens. I have yet to meet two children who respond to these > diets in exactly the same way. You will eventually figure out what works > best for your child and your situation. You are very well informed at an > early stage and doing great - you don't have to do it all this week. > Barb > > > In a message dated 3/8/01 9:51:59 PM, franpadovan@y... writes: > > << Barb, > > But it's so hard when you don't know for sure if it's effecting your > child. responded to me that even when he gives his son a few > raisins he's up at night. I didn't even realize raisins are red > grapes and I've been giving raisins. Yesterday I didn't give him > any and he slept all night. I don't know if it was a coincidence or > not, we'll see tonight. I wanted to give him those frookie cookies > and just read that cocoa is high in phenols so I don't know what to > do. > > Fran > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Is this a pill that you give them? Does it block phenols? I have never heard of this before. RAYP248@... wrote: Something for you to research and consider: Houston has a product called No Fenol that some parents are seeing success with. www.houstonni.com I gave it to Alyssa and it made her NUTS, and I talked to Devin Houston in depth at the biomedical conference and he said to start extremely slowly, maybe an eighth of a capsule for a week and work up. Apparently it deals w/ yeast and can really upset the balance in these kids. So, I'm waiting until school is out to revisit the No Fenol product. Penny Support Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portion of every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received will be used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy, famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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