Guest guest Posted June 9, 2000 Report Share Posted June 9, 2000 Craig: First of all, welcome to the Mosaic list. We're happy you've joined us. I think your Home Program/Therapist survey idea is really great! (My older son has a baseball game in a few minutes, but I'll fill one out and post it later.) This is very valuable information- thanks for offering to pull this together. Let's all contribute to this, and then perhaps we can post the results (i.e.: fee ranges for Coordinators, therapists, etc). Thanks again. List Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2000 Report Share Posted June 9, 2000 Fantastic idea Craig. Can this survey be posted on the NJFamiliesWAutism list also? Barb In a message dated 6/9/00 9:03:50 PM, craig.mccutcheon@... writes: << Hi everybody, At the recent ARISE meeting, one of the topics discussed was therapy costs. What rate should be paid, etc.? What is standard? Also, in the recent postings on Mosaic, I have seen the subject come up to. For my wife and I, this is also an interesting topic - as even COSAC cannot provide us standards as to what should be paid, etc. Our school does not really know either??? As you know, if you are developing a home program, there are a lot of things unknown - or you trial and error. Anyway, I have below a survey about therapist costs. It would be great if anybody/everybody could answer, etc. Since this may be a topic of private interest, I would be happy to collect the responses and present a summary of the results in the future. Of course, if something is already out there - please let me know. Craig craigmc@... **** SURVEY BELOW **** Home Program – Discrete Trial Our current home program is coordinated by outreach services of a local autism school. The therapists that make up our team are private consultants, not affiliated with the autism school. In general, we found the therapists by word of month, etc. In any event, approximately every two weeks, a coordination meeting is conducted by the outreach services and is attended by all therapists. Questions: a) Should the therapists be paid for these meetings? Or, should the rate they charge for therapy sessions be inclusive of outside consultations (i.e. – like a staff meeting)? What if therapists used were directly connected to outreach services (i.e. – their employees)? Would that change the idea of whether or not the meeting is compensated or charged from outreach services? What is the appropriate hourly rate to pay for somebody with: No college degree and no experience (basically, a student we would train) ? BA/BS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? MA/MS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? Ph.D. degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? No degree, but with less than one year experience in discrete trials ? No degree, but with more than one year experience in discrete trials ? BA/BS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? BA/BS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? MA/MS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? MA/MS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? Ph.D. degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? Ph.D. degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? c) What state and county do you reside in? Your answers to the above questions would be appreciated. Thank you for your assistance. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2000 Report Share Posted June 9, 2000 Hi everybody, At the recent ARISE meeting, one of the topics discussed was therapy costs. What rate should be paid, etc.? What is standard? Also, in the recent postings on Mosaic, I have seen the subject come up to. For my wife and I, this is also an interesting topic - as even COSAC cannot provide us standards as to what should be paid, etc. Our school does not really know either??? As you know, if you are developing a home program, there are a lot of things unknown - or you trial and error. Anyway, I have below a survey about therapist costs. It would be great if anybody/everybody could answer, etc. Since this may be a topic of private interest, I would be happy to collect the responses and present a summary of the results in the future. Of course, if something is already out there - please let me know. Craig craigmc@... **** SURVEY BELOW **** Home Program – Discrete Trial Our current home program is coordinated by outreach services of a local autism school. The therapists that make up our team are private consultants, not affiliated with the autism school. In general, we found the therapists by word of month, etc. In any event, approximately every two weeks, a coordination meeting is conducted by the outreach services and is attended by all therapists. Questions: a) Should the therapists be paid for these meetings? Or, should the rate they charge for therapy sessions be inclusive of outside consultations (i.e. – like a staff meeting)? What if therapists used were directly connected to outreach services (i.e. – their employees)? Would that change the idea of whether or not the meeting is compensated or charged from outreach services? What is the appropriate hourly rate to pay for somebody with: No college degree and no experience (basically, a student we would train) ? BA/BS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? MA/MS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? Ph.D. degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? No degree, but with less than one year experience in discrete trials ? No degree, but with more than one year experience in discrete trials ? BA/BS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? BA/BS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? MA/MS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? MA/MS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? Ph.D. degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? Ph.D. degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? c) What state and county do you reside in? Your answers to the above questions would be appreciated. Thank you for your assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2000 Report Share Posted June 9, 2000 Here's my response (for what its worth!): > **** SURVEY BELOW **** > > Questions: > > a) Should the therapists be paid for these meetings? Or, should the > rate they charge for therapy sessions be inclusive of outside > consultations (i.e. – like a staff meeting)? What if therapists > used were directly connected to outreach services (i.e. – their > employees)? Would that change the idea of whether or not the meeting > is compensated or charged from outreach services? I have not used the services of an " outreach " program. I will defer to others here who have this experience.... > What is the appropriate hourly rate to pay for somebody with: > > No college degree and no experience (basically, a student we would > train) ? > BA/BS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? > MA/MS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? > Ph.D. degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? I think someone totally " green " (untrained and no experience) merits somewhere around $15- $20./hr, regardless of their degree. > No degree, but with less than one year experience in discrete trials ? > No degree, but with more than one year experience in discrete trials ? I think the *experience* in ABA and how proficient the therapist is, should dictate here. For example, I personally have an MBA (graduate degree), but if I started doing discrete trial/ABA in somebody's home program tomorrow, I don't think I'd be worth 'squat' because I just don't have a feel for how to do it effectively with a variety of differently-abled kids. If somebody had about a year of experience, and was doing fabulous and really connecting with my child in the home program, but didn't yet have his/her degree, I'd still think this person's time was worth say $20-$30/hr. > BA/BS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > BA/BS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? > MA/MS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > MA/MS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? > Ph.D. degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > Ph.D. degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? See above. Obviously, when you get up to someone with a PhD and several years of experience, you're moving up to the level of a person who, theoretically, might be able to Supervise/Coordinate a home program. This might move you up into the $50-$70/hr range. I would be a little leery of anyone who charged more than $75/hr, even as an experienced Coordinator. > c) What state and county do you reside in? Bergen county, NJ Additional comments: When we started our son's home ABA program (at age 2.7 yrs), we hired the *esteemed* Gold, M.Ed, formerly of the Alpine School as Coordinator. She did a good job at setting up the book and the programs, and she charged us $60/hr (back in Spring of 1999), which we thought was fair. We had to go hunt down all our own therapists (she gaves us a few contacts, but none of her referrals had hours available). Once we got a team of regular therapists and the weeks went on, we found that was very difficult to get in touch with. We subsequently learned that she was running several home programs simultaneously (too many?), and overseeing the creation of the Fair Lawn Autism Preschool program, besides. Very busy lady, but that didn't help us when our son needed his programs reviewed and updated or moved. We initially found therapists by soliciting ABA teachers from some of the local Autism schools (EPIC and the School were amenable to this at that time.) I simply faxed a " classified " notice to each of the schools' program directors, specifying our home program scheduling needs and our son's relative abilities. We did get responses and most of the people we hired stayed with us for several months. When or if they did leave, they helped us find replacement therapists from among their colleagues. Hope some of this was useful or informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2000 Report Share Posted June 12, 2000 Barbara, I was a little hesitate about that, as I thought our current therapists may see the posting from me. What are your thoughts about this? Craig > Fantastic idea Craig. Can this survey be posted on the NJFamiliesWAutism > list also? > Barb > > > In a message dated 6/9/00 9:03:50 PM, craig.mccutcheon@w... > writes: > > << Hi everybody, > > > At the recent ARISE meeting, one of the topics discussed was therapy > > costs. What rate should be paid, etc.? What is standard? Also, in the > > recent postings on Mosaic, I have seen the subject come up to. For my > > wife and I, this is also an interesting topic - as even COSAC cannot > > provide us standards as to what should be paid, etc. Our school does > > not really know either??? As you know, if you are developing a home > > program, there are a lot of things unknown - or you trial and error. > > Anyway, I have below a survey about therapist costs. It would be > > great if anybody/everybody could answer, etc. Since this may be a > > topic of private interest, I would be happy to collect the responses > > and present a summary of the results in the future. Of course, if > > something is already out there - please let me know. > > > Craig > > craigmc@b... > > > **** SURVEY BELOW **** > > > Home Program †" Discrete Trial > > Our current home program is coordinated by outreach services of a > > local autism school. The therapists that make up our team are private > > consultants, not affiliated with the autism school. In general, we > > found the therapists by word of month, etc. In any event, > > approximately every two weeks, a coordination meeting is conducted by > > the outreach services and is attended by all therapists. > > > Questions: > > > a) Should the therapists be paid for these meetings? Or, should the > > rate they charge for therapy sessions be inclusive of outside > > consultations (i.e. †" like a staff meeting)? What if therapists > > used were directly connected to outreach services (i.e. †" their > > employees)? Would that change the idea of whether or not the meeting > > is compensated or charged from outreach services? > > > What is the appropriate hourly rate to pay for somebody with: > > > No college degree and no experience (basically, a student we would > > train) ? > > BA/BS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? > > MA/MS degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? > > Ph.D. degree and no experience (basically, we would train) ? > > No degree, but with less than one year experience in discrete trials ? > > No degree, but with more than one year experience in discrete trials ? > > BA/BS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > > BA/BS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? > > MA/MS degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > > MA/MS degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? > > Ph.D. degree, but with less than one year experience in trials ? > > Ph.D. degree, with more than one year experience in trials ? > > > c) What state and county do you reside in? > > > Your answers to the above questions would be appreciated. Thank you > > for your assistance. > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2000 Report Share Posted June 12, 2000 , thanks for the comments. I will do my best to present an informative survey result. Who knows? At some point, perhaps it can be posted on somebody's autism site, as I do not have one myself... Craig > Craig: > First of all, welcome to the Mosaic list. We're happy you've joined us. I > think your Home Program/Therapist survey idea is really great! (My older son > has a baseball game in a few minutes, but I'll fill one out and post it > later.) > This is very valuable information- thanks for offering to pull this together. > Let's all contribute to this, and then perhaps we can post the results (i.e.: > fee ranges for Coordinators, therapists, etc). > Thanks again. > > List Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2000 Report Share Posted June 12, 2000 Craig- My therapists would be fine with me posting the note. Do you want me to do it? BTW, have you been getting responses to your survey on this list? Barb In a message dated 6/12/00 10:37:55 AM, craig.mccutcheon@... writes: << Barbara, I was a little hesitate about that, as I thought our current therapists may see the posting from me. What are your thoughts about this? Craig >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2000 Report Share Posted June 12, 2000 Thank you for posting the therapist lists. I'm from Utah, and we have no email group, so I joined yours. I hope you don't mind. I've got my autistic son on the GFCF diet, and I'm also giving him breastmilk to boost his immune system. He's improving at an incredibly fast rate. I still need all the info I can get, so thanks for all you guys do. Reber Duffield ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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