muscle cramps, neuro symptoms and magnesium [was muscle cramps]

June 13, 2004

Hi,

I think I am having problems with magnesium right now. I started getting a

twitching on my eye a few days ago, which in the past responded to foods that

had magnesium in them. Right now I can't eat those foods so I am kind of

stuck in finding out whether that is the problem.

It started up after I had been out in the sun longer than usual on that very

hot day we had last week. I was sweating more than usual and the next day it

started. I think I might have lost magnesium.

I am considering supplementing with magnesium, but I am already struggling to

keep the digestive tract from reacting. Anyone else have a form of magnesium

they take that doesn't cause them problems?

thanks,

Adam

June 13, 2004

Adam

There are four forms of magnesium in supplements that I know of - magnesium

gluconate, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, and magnesium oxide. I

believe there is also a form that is a powder that you put into water. I

would highly suggest that you have your doctor run blood tests to determine

your levels before taking any magnesium as taking it when not needed can

throw other electrolytes off and cause heart issues. The body really needs

everything in balance. I have mine checked at least every three months.

laurie

> From: adamm321@...

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> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:31:49 EDT

> To:

> Subject: muscle cramps, neuro symptoms and magnesium [was muscle

> cramps]

>

> Hi,

>

> I think I am having problems with magnesium right now. I started getting a

> twitching on my eye a few days ago, which in the past responded to foods that

> had magnesium in them. Right now I can't eat those foods so I am kind of

> stuck in finding out whether that is the problem.

>

> It started up after I had been out in the sun longer than usual on that very

> hot day we had last week. I was sweating more than usual and the next day it

> started. I think I might have lost magnesium.

>

> I am considering supplementing with magnesium, but I am already struggling to

> keep the digestive tract from reacting. Anyone else have a form of magnesium

> they take that doesn't cause them problems?

>

> thanks,

> Adam

>

June 13, 2004

Hi Laurie,

Thanks for that information. I am wondering if anyone else has found

that the blood work they do for magnesium is not always an indication

of whether you have enough or not? I have had my magnesium checked

at different times, but I have found that the range of what is normal

makes the results very undependable. The range is too broad. If you

are at the low end of normal, the doctor might be satisfied that you

have enough, but you could be exhibiting symptoms that suggest a

magnesium deficiency and the doctor will ignore your symptoms and

rely on the blood work. At least that has been my experience.

I have had normal results on blood work and had eye twitching in the

past that resolved when I doubled up on magnesium rich foods. It was

very dramatic, that within four hours of eating a high magnesium

meal, the twitching went away, and after three weeks of high

magnesium meals, most of my neurological symptoms had abated.

Including peripheral pain in my hands and feet that had been with me

for 6 months and had increasingly gotten worse over that time.

For many years I often had irregular heart beat and rapid heart beat

that every doc I had seen about it had attributed to some heart

problem. They had even ordered expensive tests to get to the bottom

of it with no result. After I made my diet rich in magnesium, I

noticed that I was no longer getting those irregular heart beats or

rapid heart beats either.

I agree with you Laurie that everything being in balance is critical,

I guess I just don't have a lot of confidence in blood work always

helping with that. The balance being critical is the reason I am

reluctant to supplement with minerals. I do suspect it can throw you

all off. I think I had success because I used food as a source and

my body seems to be able to maintain a balance a little better with

that. Not always though. [g] For me, most of the time, I get off

track and have no idea why or how to fix it. Neither have any of the

doctors I have seen. I just experiment whenever I get a hint at what

it might be. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it makes it worse. I

just try to be careful.

Adam

-- In , Laureta Fitzgerald

wrote:

> Adam

>

> There are four forms of magnesium in supplements that I know of -

magnesium

> gluconate, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, and magnesium

oxide. I

> believe there is also a form that is a powder that you put into

water. I

> would highly suggest that you have your doctor run blood tests to

determine

> your levels before taking any magnesium as taking it when not

needed can

> throw other electrolytes off and cause heart issues. The body

really needs

> everything in balance. I have mine checked at least every three

months.

>

> laurie

June 13, 2004

Adam,

My guess and it is ONLY a guess, is that low normal values for some mito

folks would be the same as below normal for non-mito folks because our

bodies can't utilize nutrients in the same way that non-mito folks

can. I believe that is why even high blood levels of some supplements

are thought to be OK by the mito docs because it takes more to get

though our systems than non-mito folks, but it is not something to mess

with on our own.

adamm4321 wrote:

>Hi Laurie,

>

>Thanks for that information. I am wondering if anyone else has found

>that the blood work they do for magnesium is not always an indication

>of whether you have enough or not? I have had my magnesium checked

>at different times, but I have found that the range of what is normal

>makes the results very undependable. The range is too broad. If you

>are at the low end of normal, the doctor might be satisfied that you

>have enough, but you could be exhibiting symptoms that suggest a

>magnesium deficiency and the doctor will ignore your symptoms and

>rely on the blood work. At least that has been my experience.

>

>I have had normal results on blood work and had eye twitching in the

>past that resolved when I doubled up on magnesium rich foods. It was

>very dramatic, that within four hours of eating a high magnesium

>meal, the twitching went away, and after three weeks of high

>magnesium meals, most of my neurological symptoms had abated.

>Including peripheral pain in my hands and feet that had been with me

>for 6 months and had increasingly gotten worse over that time.

>

>For many years I often had irregular heart beat and rapid heart beat

>that every doc I had seen about it had attributed to some heart

>problem. They had even ordered expensive tests to get to the bottom

>of it with no result. After I made my diet rich in magnesium, I

>noticed that I was no longer getting those irregular heart beats or

>rapid heart beats either.

>

>I agree with you Laurie that everything being in balance is critical,

>I guess I just don't have a lot of confidence in blood work always

>helping with that. The balance being critical is the reason I am

>reluctant to supplement with minerals. I do suspect it can throw you

>all off. I think I had success because I used food as a source and

>my body seems to be able to maintain a balance a little better with

>that. Not always though. [g] For me, most of the time, I get off

>track and have no idea why or how to fix it. Neither have any of the

>doctors I have seen. I just experiment whenever I get a hint at what

>it might be. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it makes it worse. I

>just try to be careful.

>

>Adam

>

>-- In , Laureta Fitzgerald

>wrote:

>

>>Adam

>>

>>There are four forms of magnesium in supplements that I know of -

>>

>magnesium

>

>>gluconate, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, and magnesium

>>

>oxide. I

>

>>believe there is also a form that is a powder that you put into

>>

>water. I

>

>>would highly suggest that you have your doctor run blood tests to

>>

>determine

>

>>your levels before taking any magnesium as taking it when not

>>

>needed can

>

>>throw other electrolytes off and cause heart issues. The body

>>

>really needs

>

>>everything in balance. I have mine checked at least every three

>>

>months.

>

>>laurie

>>

>

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June 13, 2004

Adam

When magnesium is checked, other things such as calcium, phosphorus and

potassium also need to be checked. If your magnesium is in the normal range

and the others are high, then it might mean less of the high one rather than

the magnesium low. I also get a combination of a 24 hour urine and blood

work once a year. This shows not only what is in my blood, but how much is

being lost from the kidneys not working well. I agree that food is better,

but there would be no way for me to get 2000 mg. of magnesium with just

using foods.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:39:52 -0000

> To:

> Subject: Re: muscle cramps, neuro symptoms and magnesium [was muscle

> cramps]

>

> Hi Laurie,

>

> Thanks for that information. I am wondering if anyone else has found

> that the blood work they do for magnesium is not always an indication

> of whether you have enough or not? I have had my magnesium checked

> at different times, but I have found that the range of what is normal

> makes the results very undependable. The range is too broad. If you

> are at the low end of normal, the doctor might be satisfied that you

> have enough, but you could be exhibiting symptoms that suggest a

> magnesium deficiency and the doctor will ignore your symptoms and

> rely on the blood work. At least that has been my experience.

>

> I have had normal results on blood work and had eye twitching in the

> past that resolved when I doubled up on magnesium rich foods. It was

> very dramatic, that within four hours of eating a high magnesium

> meal, the twitching went away, and after three weeks of high

> magnesium meals, most of my neurological symptoms had abated.

> Including peripheral pain in my hands and feet that had been with me

> for 6 months and had increasingly gotten worse over that time.

>

> For many years I often had irregular heart beat and rapid heart beat

> that every doc I had seen about it had attributed to some heart

> problem. They had even ordered expensive tests to get to the bottom

> of it with no result. After I made my diet rich in magnesium, I

> noticed that I was no longer getting those irregular heart beats or

> rapid heart beats either.

>

> I agree with you Laurie that everything being in balance is critical,

> I guess I just don't have a lot of confidence in blood work always

> helping with that. The balance being critical is the reason I am

> reluctant to supplement with minerals. I do suspect it can throw you

> all off. I think I had success because I used food as a source and

> my body seems to be able to maintain a balance a little better with

> that. Not always though. [g] For me, most of the time, I get off

> track and have no idea why or how to fix it. Neither have any of the

> doctors I have seen. I just experiment whenever I get a hint at what

> it might be. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it makes it worse. I

> just try to be careful.

>

> Adam

>

> -- In , Laureta Fitzgerald

> wrote:

>> Adam

>>

>> There are four forms of magnesium in supplements that I know of -

> magnesium

>> gluconate, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, and magnesium

> oxide. I

>> believe there is also a form that is a powder that you put into

> water. I

>> would highly suggest that you have your doctor run blood tests to

> determine

>> your levels before taking any magnesium as taking it when not

> needed can

>> throw other electrolytes off and cause heart issues. The body

> really needs

>> everything in balance. I have mine checked at least every three

> months.

>>

>> laurie

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

June 14, 2004

Hi, Adam

You mentioning being out in the sun stikes a chord with me. Are you

sure you can tolerate heat? It took me years to realize that I have a

very limited temperature tolerance. A little too cold or too hot, and

I get very tired and feel worse than usual, especially if i get too

hot. No more hot baths, saunas, or sitting in the sun for me. I

really watch the temperature thing, and now even plan vacations in the

cooler months. It seems to decrease the amount of times that i feel

really really lousy. This came as a surprise to me, since I used to

LOVE heat when I was younger, and could function well in it. Just a

thought.

Regards

Sunny

> Hi,

>

> I think I am having problems with magnesium right now. I started

> getting a

> twitching on my eye a few days ago, which in the past responded to

> foods that

> had magnesium in them. Right now I can't eat those foods so I am

> kind of

> stuck in finding out whether that is the problem.

>

> It started up after I had been out in the sun longer than usual on

> that very

> hot day we had last week. I was sweating more than usual and the

> next day it

> started. I think I might have lost magnesium.

>

> I am considering supplementing with magnesium, but I am already

> struggling to

> keep the digestive tract from reacting. Anyone else have a form of

> magnesium

> they take that doesn't cause them problems?

>

> thanks,

> Adam

>

June 14, 2004

I cannot tolerate the heat hardly at all--anything above 75 and I can only

be out in it for a little while.

I cannot take the sauna even for a minute. Also hot whirlpools are out for

me.

I used to be able to take the heat better but not anymore. I am 42 now.

Janet Sample

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