Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Hi this is Helen C from Adelaide,South Oz. I have asked this before but have had hardly any response. Would you please let me know where I can get info on gynae problems in EDS especially what a specialist needs to know. Also it seems all my insides are stretch and abnormal or out of shape. Jill, would it be possible to do a survey on this? I have bowed vocal cords, been told I have a large tongue!! lax oesophageal sphincter, large mouth diverticula, large stomach, had uterus and urethra prolapses, rectocele. Anyone else?? I have type III EDS. There is nothing mentioned in any info I have found about EDS except that only men have bladder problems Ha Ha lol!!!! At the moment I am having problems with 1) my bladder - stress incontinence, frequency and urgency. Also I am sure I have 2) a large rectocele protruding out of ??, and 3)a anal rectocele, 4) my bladder is partially prolapsed. It took me ages to find a good gynae only to be told that she didn't feel she could deal with me. I found another and I am measuring my urine output for 4 days and then going to be catheterised to find out about the pressure in the bladder and if I have a " busy bladder " I go there next week and I hope he will check out all the other problems but who knows. What I REALLY NEED IS INFORMATION THAT I CAN GIVE THE GYNAE ON EDS IN REGARDS TO THESE PROBLEMS AND POTENTIAL PROBLEMS DOING REPAIRS. So please can anyone help me? As I have said before there are NO DOCTORS HERE IN ADELAIDE WHO WILL EVEN LOOK INTO EDS AT ALL. It is sooooo frustrating. Even the pain clinic told me, " We find people like you with rare conditions know more than us and can find out more than us!!!! I spoke to a genetic counsellor the other day and told her how much pain I was in especially my back and she said, " Don't worry you get better as you get older because you seize up!!!!!! I am not getting better I am deteriorating at a fast rate of knots. I was speechless. I rang her because I am going to start a support group and hopefully have EDS become known!!!! I had better stop there as I am getting riled up. Sorry. PLEASE REPLY SOON. Gentle Hugs, Helen C South Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 From: pandhcmovingon@... I spoke to a genetic counsellor the other day and told her how much pain I was in especially my back and she said, " Don't worry you get better as you get older because you seize up!!!!!! ~ Good morning HelenC, My heart goes out to you. You definitely have things going on that obviously need to be addressed. It didn't help when the genetic doctor told you that you'd get stiffer as you got older. --now that's a laugh. I'm 53+ and have loosened up considerably in some joints since I stopped having my periods 3+ years ago. --among some of the things I *now* have: a prolapsed uterus, that continues to worsen. At times the uterus puts pressure on the urinary area where it flows out of the body, making it difficult to begin to " go " at times. But when I wait a tad too long, it's difficult to control it until I get to the bathroom. Another problem are my finger joints with increased laxity-necessitating even more ring splints and /or added side support, and a knee that will need a TKR-both knees are now more lax in these few years than they've been since the surgeries. I could go on and on with the list of increased loosening. I'm not the only one who has experienced this when aging. I'll check my files and try to locate some articles on gyne problems and EDS. Not sure I have any, but I'll look. Thanks for reposting. Seems I missed it first time around. Please take care, and know I care. Gentle hugs~ CindyH Wisc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Hi Helen, I was sure that I had some info on this somewhere on my HD, but wow how many articles I have... Took a bit of searching, but finally I found what I was looking for. That is the first article I have pasted below. Below that one is one other article and some article references. I hope this helps you! Aase Marit Article from EDNF website (old website) Ehlers-Danlos National Foundation Obstetric and Gynecologic Dysfunction in the Ehlers-Danlos syndrome Yoram Sorokin, M.D. Mark P. , M.D Rogowski A. , M.D. Mark L , M.D. From the Section of Antenatal Fetal Diagnosis and Therapy, Departments of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and the Section of Molecular Biology, Wayne State University/Hutzel Hospital, Detroit, Michigan, and the Ehlers-Danlos National Foundation, Southgate, Michigan. This article is reprinted with the permissionof the Journal of Reproductive Medicine; Volume 39, Number 4, April 1994: pages281 - 284 Women members of the newly formed Ehlers-Danlos National Foundation (EDNF) were surveyed with a very detailed questionnaire with 50 questions concerning family history and inheritance, past medical history, and obstetric and gynecologic problems, They entailed the largest extant database on Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) patients. The mean age of the 68 women who responded to the survey was 42 years, most had EDS types I, III, IV and unknown. Forty-three women had 138 pregnancies, 13 women never married, The stillbirth rate was 3.15% (3/95); the preterm delivery rate was 23.1% (22/95); and the spontaneous abortion rate was 28.9% (40/138). There was a cesarean delivery rate of 8.4% with 14.7% having perinatal bleeding problems. One woman (EDS type IV) had congestive heart failure. Common gynecologic problems were recurrent anovulation (41.3%), recurrent vaginal infections (53%), abnormal cytologic smears (19%); and sexual dysfunction (61%), irregular menses (28%), endometriosis (15.8%); vaginal dryness (25%); and a need for hysterectomy (19.1%)- In this largest series of pregnancies with EDS, we found relatively high rates of abortion, preterm delivery, pregnancy-related bleeding and stillbirth. Women with EDS also seem to have high frequency of anovulation, vaginal infections, abnormal cytologic smears and dyspareunia. INTRODUCTION The Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) is a heterogeneous collection of at least 10 connective tissue disorders causing abnormal production or secretion of collagens (Table I). Early reports on EDS emphasized joint laxity and skin hyperextensibility in the disorders. The classification of EDS is based on phenotype manifestations, specific biochemical abnormalities and mode of inheritance. The main clinical features are fragility of the skin and of the dermal blood vessels, characteristic " papyraceous " scars, hyperextensible and transparent skin, and hypermobile joints. Most reports in the obstetric and gynecologic literature have been anecdotal and were published before the various types of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome were recognized. There are several case reports that emphasize type IV EDS as distinct in carrying a high risk of major complications and maternal death due to ruptured blood vessels. The maternal mortality rate in type IV EDS has been estimated to be 25%. It has been suggested for many years that during pregnancy, women with EDS are at increased risk of vascular complications, including varicose veins, aneurysm of blood vessels, cerebrovascular accidents, increased bruising, antepartum and postpartum hemorrhage, separation of the symphysia pubis, hematoma formation, increasing joint laxity, premature rupture of the membranes and prematurity. In nonpregnant women, menometrorrhagia, recurrent pelvic floor relaxation and uterine prolapse have been reported. However, because of the low incidence and multiple types of EDS, there are no recent large series from which one can draw any conclusions regarding obstetric and gynecologic symptoms, signs, morbidity or mortality. Recently, the Ehlers-Danlos National Foundation (EDNF) brought together enough patients with EDS to ask some meaningful questions. Below we report on any obstetrics and gynecologic aspects and complications in the largest extant group of women with EDS. MATERIALS AND METHODS A detailed questionnaire was mailed to women members of the EDNF. Fifty questions inquired about family history and inheritance, past medical and surgical problems and complications, obstetric and gynecologic history and issues of sexuality. Sixty-eight questionnaires that were completed and returned formed that database from which this report was generated. There were several cases in which no specific EDS type had been clinically assigned to the patient, and they are referred to below as " unknown " . RESULTS The women surveyed had a mean age of 42 years. Of the 68 women, at least 30 had some relatives affected by EDS. The diagnosis was made clinically in two-thirds of the women. Very few women used alcohol (2 women, more than six drinks per week) or drugs; only 6 women smoked +\- O.5 packs per day. Eleven women were unemployed, and 30 had a professional career. Of the 68 surveyed, 42 had had 138 pregnancies (3.2 per woman). Thirteen women (19%) were never married. The outcomes of pregnancies by EDS type are displayed in Table II. The incidence of bleeding problems during pregnancy was 14.7%; there were 40 miscarriages (29%), 3 stillbirths (3.15%) and 13 pregnancies with an antepartu m and/or intrapartum hemorrhage. There was one pregnancy with heart failure (EDS type IV), I with hip pains, I with preeclampsia and I with separation of the symphysis. Difficult or prolonged Iabor was reported for 5 (5.2%) pregnancies and precipitous labor for 2. Forceps delivery, breech delivery and retained placenta occurred in I pregnancy each. The preterm delivery rate was 23.l% (22/95), and there were 15 (15.7%) small for gestational age infants, The cesarean delivery rate was 8.4%. Recurrent anovulation, frequent and recurrent vaginal infections, abnormal cytologic smear and sexual dysfunction due to dyspareunia were relatively common, with incidences of 41.3%, 53%, 19% and 61% respectively (Table III). Gynecologic problems included irregular menses (16/57), with most women having periods every 15-40 days. Menorrhagia (longer than seven days) was found in eight (13.7%) women. Pubarche and thelarche were in the normal range. Endometriosis was common (10/63, 15.8%), with seven women having severe cases; however, in five women, the diagnosis was made on the basis of the history and physical examination alone. Five of 10 women with endometriosis had EDS type IV. Hysterectomy was the most common gynecologic operation. Three women had a uterine prolapse, and two had cystocele and rectocele repair. Most of the women used contraceptives and had sexual activity with one male partner, however, many expressed having unsatisfactory sexual activity (15/58, 25.8%), dyspareunia (I2/58, 20.7%), sexual dysfunction (7/59, 11.8%), postcoital bleeding (5/59, 8.5%) and vaginal dryness (15/60, 25%). DISCUSSION EDS is a heterogeneous collection of connective tissue disorders. The incidence of complications varies with the different types. The precise underlying biochemical nature of the complications in several EDS types is known. However, in most clinical complications, the precise mechanisms are still a matter of speculation. In this series we attempted to look at several clinical obstetric and gynecologic symptoms, signs and complications in a large group of women with EDS. This was the first attempt to create an EDS obstetric and gynecologic database, The need for such a database was obvious at the first meeting of the EDNF. This type of database has the limitation of selection bias and dependence on retrospective patient reporting. In this series, we found suggested associations between miscarriages, antepartum hemorrhages, stillbirth and EDS. Previous series had similar findings as well as increased frequencies of backache, varicose veins and straie gravidarum, In 1966, Barabas reported on 39 pregnancies with 14 premature deliveries (defined as < 5.5 lb.), of which 13 started with premature rupture of the membranes. All the deliveries occurred between 32 and 35 weeks of pregnancy. The other reports were published earlier, had smaller numbers, did not contain information on EDS typing or defined prematurity as a neonatal weight < 2.5 kg. Beighton reported a 350%, (9/32) premature delivery rate in EDS type I (gravis). In the present series, we found a high preterm delivery rate, 23.1% (22/95); however, most women having preterm deliveries did not have premature rupture of the membranes. When the 95 deliveries are classified according to EDS type, there are still too few pregnancies in each type for meaningful conclusions. Lethal complications of EDS (especially EDS type IV) have been reported extensively. The present series was biased toward women with survival and very low rate of serious complications (dissecting aneurysms, arterial rupture, vascular complications). We did not find high rates of postpartum hemorrhages or surgical interventions, as found in some earlier series. None of the patients in the present series had serious bleeding problems during pregnancy. The literature on gynecologic problems in women with EDS is much scantier than that on obstetrics problems. Most of the clinical gynecologic problems could be easily explained by the skin and supportive tissue fragility in women with EDS. In our series very few women had surgery for symptoms of pelvic relaxation; however, recurrent vaginal infections, sexual dysfunction, vaginal dryness and dyspareunia were very common complaints. A more extensive gynecologic and urogynecologic evaluation in women with EDS is planned. Obstetricians and gynecologists should be aware of the clinical symptoms and signs that reveal the possible presence of EDS and should understand that today many of the disorders can be confirmed by biochemical examination. Diagnosis should entail the patients' obstetric and gynecologic risks as well as the risk of transmitting the disease to their children. Editor's Note: References available upon request. Publications PREGNANCY & CHILDBIRTH IN EHLERS-DANLOS SYNDROME: Author:- Dodo Merrild MD. This 32 page, A5 booklet will be of immense value for medical and caring professionals as well as people with EDS. The main chapter headings are:- Introduction; Human aspects of Pregnancy in EDS; Medical aspects of Pregnancy in EDS; Physiological and Pathophysiological changes in Pregnancy; Delivery in EDS; Post Partum Period; The Foetus and Newborn Child; and Conclusion.Table of 'The Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome' and mode of Inheritance. Available from Ehlers-Danlos Support Group, UK. Price £1:50 STERLING ONLY. For Overseas - Please add £0:50 (Total amount £2:00 ) for postage. OR Any Bookshop Order:- ISBN 0 9525986 0 4 [image] EHLERS-DANLOS SYNDROME AND THE URINARY TRACT By Cuckow FRCS Registrar in Paediatric Surgery and Urology. St 's University Hospital, Leeds. Ehlers (1901) and Danlos (1970) first described a clinical syndrome that was characterised by lax skin and hypermobile joints. Since then, with the identification and study of thousands of cases, many other manifestations of the syndrome have become known. The Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS) is now recognised as an abnormality of collagen structure and synthesis with varying inheritance that produces a whole variety of symptoms and signs. There are at least ten distinct subtypes but, because many cases are asymptomatic and remain undiagnosed, the true incidence is unknown. It probably represents the commonest inheritable disorder of connective tissue. Connective tissue, as its name implies, has a vital function in binding the tissues of the body together and maintaining their integrity. Collagen fibres in particular form a meshwork throughout tissue, imparting strength and rigidity to it. The deficiencies in connective tissue and collagen fibres associated with EDS are therefore manifested by uncharacteristic weakness and elasticity of body tissues. This is most obviously demonstrated by the laxity and fragility of the skin and stretch ability of tendons allowing the characteristic joint mobility. In the skeletal system joints may dislocate easily and deformities of the hips, spine and chest may occur, whilst stretching of the abdominal wall leads to hernia formation. Any hollow tube or organ whose walls are subjected to intermittent or constant rises in internal pressure may be affected. Varicose veins may form in the legs due to stretching of their weakend walls and large arteries may dilate due to the high pressure blood within them, forming aneurysms or the same reason. Similarly, although much more rarely seen, the gut wall can stretch and cause either a generalised dilatation or focal outpouchings, called diverticula. These can give rise to problems by interfering with the absorption of nutrients or by rupturing and causing peritonitis. Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome rarely causes complications in the urinary tract and these tend to appear as case reports in medical journals. Four cases with multiple cysts in the kidneys are reported, although these may in fact have been separately inherited lesions and unrelated to the patients EDS. Dilatation of the ureters that drain the kidneys into the bladder has also been seen but the commonest problem is an outpouching of the bladder wall or bladder diverticulum. The first case of bladder diverticulum was reported in 1942 and since then there have been at least 24 others in the journals. All have been male with an age range of between 18 months and 49 years, with 80% presenting with symptoms before their sixteenth birthday. Presentation is variable and urinary tract infection, dysuria (pain on passing urine), haematuria (blood in the urine), lower abdominal swelling, bladder stones and bladder rupture have been reported. There may of course be many more patients with EDS whose diverticula never cause symptoms and go undetected. Bladder diverticula have been seen in several of the different subtypes (l, ll, lll, lV, Vl, lX). Their association with a variant of EDS linked to the X chromosome is now becoming increasingly recognised after finding them in 5 male members of the same family and 5 out of 7 cases of EDS type lX. The pressure inside the bladder remains low while it is filling but rises significantly when urine is passed (voiding). It is probable that this rise in pressure stretches the bladder wall in susceptible individuals and causes the diverticulum to form. One explanation for the complete absence of diverticula in female patients is the significantly higher voiding pressures generated by male bladders. Obstruction of the bladder outflow causing abnormally high voiding pressures has been suggested but in spite of carefully investigating several patients for this, it has only been seen in one. Although the diverticulum may rarely enlarge sufficiently to cause an obvious swelling in the lower abdomen, the main cause of symptoms is due to retention of urine in the diverticulum and an inability of the bladder to empty completely on voiding. Thus the bladder contents are never completely flushed out, which may allow bacteria to gain a foothold and infection to develop. As well as causing symptoms of general malaise and a raised temperature, infection and inflammation in the bladder and bladder outflow (urethra) can cause lower abdominal pain and a nasty burning pain on voiding (dysuria). Bladder irritation leads to a need to void more frequently (frequency) and the bladder lining can bleed (haematuria), which may be severe due to the increased bleeding tendency in EDS. Accumulation of debris in the bladder may also lead to the formation of bladder stones which promote infection and inflammation. Pain in the back and a high temperature suggest kidney involvement with the infection and patients with this complication may become quite ill. The management priorities in patients with the above symptoms are to initially eradicate infection with antibiotics (which may need to be given intravenously in a severe case), then investigate them to look for the underlying cause and finally to plan definitive treatment. An ultrasound scan is normally the first line investigation. It enables good visualisation of both the bladder and the kidneys and certainly any diverticula and bladder stones should be spotted by an experienced operator. A plain X-ray of the area can be used to demonstrate stones. Various other X-rays are then available if further information or clearer visualisation is required. Fifteen of the cases of diverticulum reported in the journals were treated by surgical excision of the diverticulum. These were found to have a characteristic appearance when studied under the microscope. Unfortunately of the 15 patients at least 10 developed recurrent diverticula after surgery and adequate follow up information is lacking in the remainder. As well as giving these poor results, surgery itself may be complicated by delicate friable tissues, per-and post-operative bleeding and poor wound healing. It should therefore be reserved for severe or symptomatic cases or for those patients in whom the kidneys are also involved and their function is threatened. Less invasive surgery may be required to remove bladder stones but in the majority of patients infection can be controlled by administering regular low dose antibiotics (prophylactic antibiotics). In some patients asymptomatic bladder diverticula are discovered incidentally during investigation of another problem. In this situation it is debatabl whether any treatment at all is required. As the urinary tract complications of EDS are comparatively rare, it is important to emphasise in this discussion that EDS patients are no less susceptible to commoner urinary tract diseases than the rest of the population. Thus urinary tract infection and high fever in a child may be due to another underlying problem, dysuria in a young female to simple cystitis, difficulty passing urine in an older man due to an enlarged prostate and haematuria in older people of both sexes may herald bladder cancer. All of these problems require careful investigation and treatment and are familiar to most doctors. Nonetheless, the possibility of an underlying diverticulum in symptomatic males with EDS warrants at least an ultrasound scan to exclude it. It is of course very important for doctors to be aware of EDS in patients they are treating, particularly if surgery is to be required. In conclusion, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome rarely causes problems in the urinary tract, although hidden abnormalities my be present in many more patients than present with symptoms. The commonest of these is a bladder diverticulum, and this should always be suspected as a cause of haematuria or urinary infection in young males. Surgery to remove the diverticulum should be reserved for those cases in which symptoms are severe and poorly controlled with medication or in whom kidney function is threatened. The presence of EDS in patients being treated for common urinary tract problems will impact on their treatment, particularly if surgery is involved. MEDICAL ADVISORY PANEL Prof. P. Beighton, MD. PHD. FRCP. DCH. Prof. H. A. Bird, MD. FRCP. Mr. J. C. Angel, FRCS. Prof. R. Grahame, MD. FRCP. FACP. Dr. F. M. Pope, MD. FRCP. Mr. A. P. Barabas, MD. FRCS. D. Merrild. MD Registered Charity Number: 1014641 The views expressed are those of the author/s & should not be construed to represent the opinions or policy of the Ehlers-Danlos Support Group or Trustees ARTICLE Adv Exp Med Biol 1999;462:201-14; discussion 225-33 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Biochemical and physiological characterization of the urinary bladder in Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. Deveaud CM, Kennedy WA 2nd, Zderic SA, PS Department of Anatomy and Histology, School of Dental Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, USA. PMID: 10599425, UI: 20067532 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 In a message dated 2/22/2004 8:32:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, lukesgrace@... writes: Could we all list the medical problems we have had? Am I the only one who can't remember them all? Seriously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Dear Helen, There are scattered articles on EDS and OB-GYN stuff on the EDS group sites. Here is one - http://www.ednf.org/obgyn.html and another one - http://www.atv.ndirect.co.uk/Info%20Sheets/urinary_tract.htm I recommend looking through all the EDS group sites articles. I'm sure you will find others than the ones above. Good luck! Hugs, B. HEDS, New Jersey, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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