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I'm getting ready to purchase either a BiPap or VPAP machine since

insurance won't pay for it I guess I'll have to find a way.

Recently there was a MDA chat about ventilation and I can't remember

which type of machine the experts recommended...the transcripts

aren't up yet. Can anyone help me ? Is there a brand or supplier

that one of you can recommend that won't kill me financially ? Also

do you have a mask that you prefer ?

thanks !

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There is a good article in one of the Quest Magazines on this topic. If you

go to their archives and type in ventilation, you should be able to bring it

up. You will have to have a doctor's prescription to buy either. The article

mentions that bi-PAP has more use long term because it can be set in

different ways, but it is extremely more expensive. They tried both with me

during my sleep study 8 years ago and I did better on the C-PAP. You might

want to get it a medical supply provider, as they can then get you the

correct filters and replace broken or damaged parts. I just started using

the Simplicity mask which is one you can wear glasses with and is small and

soft. Until I have my new sleep study done next month, I am not sure I am

getting a leak-free fit or not, so will decide then if I will continue with

it. I had been using a Resmed Mirage Ultra mask.

laurie

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> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:29:08 -0000

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> Subject: BiPap or VPAP ?

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> I'm getting ready to purchase either a BiPap or VPAP machine since

> insurance won't pay for it I guess I'll have to find a way.

> Recently there was a MDA chat about ventilation and I can't remember

> which type of machine the experts recommended...the transcripts

> aren't up yet. Can anyone help me ? Is there a brand or supplier

> that one of you can recommend that won't kill me financially ? Also

> do you have a mask that you prefer ?

>

> thanks !

> bug

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Bug,

I was not really given a choice, my pulmonologist told me I was

getting a bi-pap machine. I didn't really use it the first year, as I

felt it wasn't doing anything. Now, it is really hard to go without it.

I actually feel rested when I wake up in the morning if I manage to keep

it on most of the night! :-) I don't know much about the VPAP machines.

I used a soft gel mask for many years. It was good, but my face droops a

lot and it seems to droop in different places each night! So, I was

leaking a lot of air. At my last sleep study, they tried a different

contraption, the Nasal Air . . . (Something, I can't remember the name at

this time, but will look it up). This is a tube sort of like the oxygen

tube, but fits in your nostrils and is soft. There is a soft tubing that

goes around your ears, with a headband to help keep it in place and a

strap for the back, to tighten the tubing if necessary. I have had good

luck with this, as I have not had the leakage of air that I was having

and I can actually keep it on longer during the night. (I used to take

the mask off without knowing it). Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good

luck.

Smiles,

a

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:29:08 -0000 " venomvw " umhkyfan@...>

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I'm getting ready to purchase either a BiPap or VPAP machine since

insurance won't pay for it I guess I'll have to find a way.

Recently there was a MDA chat about ventilation and I can't remember

which type of machine the experts recommended...the transcripts

aren't up yet. Can anyone help me ? Is there a brand or supplier

that one of you can recommend that won't kill me financially ? Also

do you have a mask that you prefer ?

thanks !

bug

Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained

herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are

reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings

and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own

treatment.

Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one

is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the

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Laurie, as usual you've helped me out again ! Thanks for the

direction. I'll check out the article and I'm seeing pulmonary next

month so I thought I'd pick up a RX then. They had actually phoned

one in for approval but insurance denied it because they said my

pulmonary function tests were too " normal. " I feel this could be a

life-saver ultimately and I can't worry about the expense I guess.

That's what plastic is for isn't it ? LOL

Hugs,

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Thank you a :) I appreciate you taking the time to pass on

the information. I'd have to have the full mask because I have a

deviated septum (sp?) and the air burns my nostrils severely.

Thanks again,

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bug,

I forgot to mention that on my " mask " or Nasal Aire system, I can

wear my glasses which is a huge benefit. You really have to try

different things to see which works the best for you. I have a Bi-Pap S.

Smiles,

a

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Have you used a humidifier connected to the system? I can't use my C-PAP

without it. I get real problems and without the humidifier, even my sinus

problems are gone for the most part. My new pulmonologist says he would like

me to try the warm mist type while having my sleep study. I currently have

the pass-over type. If you get a humidifier with your machine, make sure it

is one that you can get your hand or bottle brush into for cleaning

purposes.

laurie

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> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:20:39 -0000

> To:

> Subject: Re: BiPap or VPAP ?

>

> Thank you a :) I appreciate you taking the time to pass on

> the information. I'd have to have the full mask because I have a

> deviated septum (sp?) and the air burns my nostrils severely.

>

> Thanks again,

> bug

>

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

> entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

>

>

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Are you trying to think of nasal pillows? Seems like a weird name.

laurie

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> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:24:58 -0500

> To:

> Subject: Re: BiPap or VPAP ?

>

> Bug,

> I was not really given a choice, my pulmonologist told me I was

> getting a bi-pap machine. I didn't really use it the first year, as I

> felt it wasn't doing anything. Now, it is really hard to go without it.

> I actually feel rested when I wake up in the morning if I manage to keep

> it on most of the night! :-) I don't know much about the VPAP machines.

> I used a soft gel mask for many years. It was good, but my face droops a

> lot and it seems to droop in different places each night! So, I was

> leaking a lot of air. At my last sleep study, they tried a different

> contraption, the Nasal Air . . . (Something, I can't remember the name at

> this time, but will look it up). This is a tube sort of like the oxygen

> tube, but fits in your nostrils and is soft. There is a soft tubing that

> goes around your ears, with a headband to help keep it in place and a

> strap for the back, to tighten the tubing if necessary. I have had good

> luck with this, as I have not had the leakage of air that I was having

> and I can actually keep it on longer during the night. (I used to take

> the mask off without knowing it). Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good

> luck.

>

> Smiles,

> a

>

> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:29:08 -0000 " venomvw " umhkyfan@...>

> writes:

> I'm getting ready to purchase either a BiPap or VPAP machine since

> insurance won't pay for it I guess I'll have to find a way.

> Recently there was a MDA chat about ventilation and I can't remember

> which type of machine the experts recommended...the transcripts

> aren't up yet. Can anyone help me ? Is there a brand or supplier

> that one of you can recommend that won't kill me financially ? Also

> do you have a mask that you prefer ?

>

> thanks !

> bug

>

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained

> herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of

> this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are

> reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings

> and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own

> treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one

> is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the

> attack.

>

>

>

>

>

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Laurie,

I found the papers this morning. I have the Nasal-Aire II

C.P.A.P. interface by InnoMed. The guy doing my sleep study said that

not many people use this or even know about it. It is by prescription

only.

Here is a link if anyone is interested: www.innomedinc.com

Smiles,

a

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:43:04 -0400 Laureta Fitzgerald

lfitzger@...> writes:

a

Are you trying to think of nasal pillows? Seems like a weird name.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:24:58 -0500

> To:

> Subject: Re: BiPap or VPAP ?

>

> Bug,

> I was not really given a choice, my pulmonologist told me I was

> getting a bi-pap machine. I didn't really use it the first year, as I

> felt it wasn't doing anything. Now, it is really hard to go without

it.

> I actually feel rested when I wake up in the morning if I manage to

keep

> it on most of the night! :-) I don't know much about the VPAP

machines.

> I used a soft gel mask for many years. It was good, but my face droops

a

> lot and it seems to droop in different places each night! So, I was

> leaking a lot of air. At my last sleep study, they tried a different

> contraption, the Nasal Air . . . (Something, I can't remember the name

at

> this time, but will look it up). This is a tube sort of like the

oxygen

> tube, but fits in your nostrils and is soft. There is a soft tubing

that

> goes around your ears, with a headband to help keep it in place and a

> strap for the back, to tighten the tubing if necessary. I have had

good

> luck with this, as I have not had the leakage of air that I was having

> and I can actually keep it on longer during the night. (I used to take

> the mask off without knowing it). Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good

> luck.

>

> Smiles,

> a

>

> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:29:08 -0000 " venomvw " umhkyfan@...>

> writes:

> I'm getting ready to purchase either a BiPap or VPAP machine since

> insurance won't pay for it I guess I'll have to find a way.

> Recently there was a MDA chat about ventilation and I can't remember

> which type of machine the experts recommended...the transcripts

> aren't up yet. Can anyone help me ? Is there a brand or supplier

> that one of you can recommend that won't kill me financially ? Also

> do you have a mask that you prefer ?

>

> thanks !

> bug

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a,

This is what I have just ordered this past Wednesday. I have a serious problem

with allegies and caps so I am hoping that I can use this without any strapping.

Alice

I found the papers this morning. I have the Nasal-Aire II C.P.A.P. interface

by InnoMed. The guy doing my sleep study said that not many people use this or

even know about it. It is by prescription only. Here is a link if anyone is

interested: www.innomedinc.com

Smiles, a

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Alice,

I really like it. It took me a night or two to get used to it,

but I have been much more happier with this than the masks I had tried.

I hope you are able to use it!

Smiles,

a

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:17:31 -0600 " Alice " justagram@...>

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a,

This is what I have just ordered this past Wednesday. I have a serious

problem with allegies and caps so I am hoping that I can use this without

any strapping.

Alice

I found the papers this morning. I have the Nasal-Aire II C.P.A.P.

interface by InnoMed. The guy doing my sleep study said that not many

people use this or even know about it. It is by prescription only. Here

is a link if anyone is interested: www.innomedinc.com

Smiles, a

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I haven't been able to read much of the groups mail but I am one of

the old-timers. I read the problem with an insurance company and a

BiPAP. If you go to the following site and find 'Letters of medical

necessity' you can show one of the sample letters to your Doctor. My

Doc recently sent one to our insurance company and so far it seems to

be working. He inserted phrases like 'patient having cognitive

difficulties'. greatly fatigued during the day. And then as he said

he was going to be certain to include the not so veiled threat about

the future costs they could incur if I don't get the BiPAP. You'll

get the idea when you read the sample letters. None of them really

fit my circumstances but with the tweaking it worked. These were

written by Dr. Bach, author of the Quest article.

http://www.doctorbach.com/

I wish you luck, Pat K

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