Re: Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research Labs

November 29, 2004

I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and 38,

it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4 equals

100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

Laurie

Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research Labs

Sim,

I know you can take it roughly as a grain of salt but this is 3

times the difference. 38 mcg verses 100 mcg equals 1 grain of

Armour.

This is confusing! How does one really know the conversion?

Crystal

>> From the 'Nature-Thyroid-Western Research Labs' email:

> > >>>These products are measured in Grains.

> > > Each Grain is equal to 64.8 mg containing 9 mcg of T3 and 38

mcg of the T4 hormone. >>>

> > > > Is this saying that 38 mcg of T4 equals 64 mg of Armour -

which is 1 grain?

> >

Am I wrong to wonder why the Armour to Synthroid 'conversion chart'

> > says that 100 mcg of Levoxyl (T4) equals 1 grain?> >

> > Big difference. What am I missing?> >

> > Crystal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> I take this kind of conversion with a grain (ha, ha) of salt. I

> don't think it's an exact science, but more of an approximation.

> Especially when one considers the rather loose standards that the

> generic/brand companies of synthroid have been allowed to adhere

to. Some generic brands of synthroid are a certain percentage

stronger than the brands.

>

> In my own limited personal experience, 30mgs or 1/2 grain of

armour feels about as potent as 25 mcgs of synthroid. Anyone else

able to make observations?

> > Sim

November 29, 2004

I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and 38,

it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4 equals

100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

Laurie

Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research Labs

Sim,

I know you can take it roughly as a grain of salt but this is 3

times the difference. 38 mcg verses 100 mcg equals 1 grain of

Armour.

This is confusing! How does one really know the conversion?

Crystal

>> From the 'Nature-Thyroid-Western Research Labs' email:

> > >>>These products are measured in Grains.

> > > Each Grain is equal to 64.8 mg containing 9 mcg of T3 and 38

mcg of the T4 hormone. >>>

> > > > Is this saying that 38 mcg of T4 equals 64 mg of Armour -

which is 1 grain?

> >

Am I wrong to wonder why the Armour to Synthroid 'conversion chart'

> > says that 100 mcg of Levoxyl (T4) equals 1 grain?> >

> > Big difference. What am I missing?> >

> > Crystal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> I take this kind of conversion with a grain (ha, ha) of salt. I

> don't think it's an exact science, but more of an approximation.

> Especially when one considers the rather loose standards that the

> generic/brand companies of synthroid have been allowed to adhere

to. Some generic brands of synthroid are a certain percentage

stronger than the brands.

>

> In my own limited personal experience, 30mgs or 1/2 grain of

armour feels about as potent as 25 mcgs of synthroid. Anyone else

able to make observations?

> > Sim

November 29, 2004

I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and 38,

it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4 equals

100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

Laurie

Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research Labs

Sim,

I know you can take it roughly as a grain of salt but this is 3

times the difference. 38 mcg verses 100 mcg equals 1 grain of

Armour.

This is confusing! How does one really know the conversion?

Crystal

>> From the 'Nature-Thyroid-Western Research Labs' email:

> > >>>These products are measured in Grains.

> > > Each Grain is equal to 64.8 mg containing 9 mcg of T3 and 38

mcg of the T4 hormone. >>>

> > > > Is this saying that 38 mcg of T4 equals 64 mg of Armour -

which is 1 grain?

> >

Am I wrong to wonder why the Armour to Synthroid 'conversion chart'

> > says that 100 mcg of Levoxyl (T4) equals 1 grain?> >

> > Big difference. What am I missing?> >

> > Crystal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> I take this kind of conversion with a grain (ha, ha) of salt. I

> don't think it's an exact science, but more of an approximation.

> Especially when one considers the rather loose standards that the

> generic/brand companies of synthroid have been allowed to adhere

to. Some generic brands of synthroid are a certain percentage

stronger than the brands.

>

> In my own limited personal experience, 30mgs or 1/2 grain of

armour feels about as potent as 25 mcgs of synthroid. Anyone else

able to make observations?

> > Sim

November 29, 2004

Laurie Brown wrote:

>I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and

38, it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4

equals 100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

>

I wonder whther people who have been on reasonable doese of synthroid a

long time have a different apprecaition of armour from folk who have

been on low doses a short time. For me a quarter grain of armour seem

slightly more potent than 25mcgs of synthroid. But i was on a pitiful

dose of synthroid [25mcg for 6months] and was not coverting to T3

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November 29, 2004

Laurie Brown wrote:

>I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and

38, it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4

equals 100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

>

I wonder whther people who have been on reasonable doese of synthroid a

long time have a different apprecaition of armour from folk who have

been on low doses a short time. For me a quarter grain of armour seem

slightly more potent than 25mcgs of synthroid. But i was on a pitiful

dose of synthroid [25mcg for 6months] and was not coverting to T3

--

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http://www.alisonashwell.com

new work uploaded

http://www.artwanted/alisonashwell

November 29, 2004

Laurie Brown wrote:

>I wonder if at one time they lumped T4 and T3 together...when you add 65 and

38, it's just over 100, right? And then they decided 100 mcg combined T3/T4

equals 100mcg Synthroid (NOT!).

>

I wonder whther people who have been on reasonable doese of synthroid a

long time have a different apprecaition of armour from folk who have

been on low doses a short time. For me a quarter grain of armour seem

slightly more potent than 25mcgs of synthroid. But i was on a pitiful

dose of synthroid [25mcg for 6months] and was not coverting to T3

--

Alison

http://www.alisonashwell.com

new work uploaded

http://www.artwanted/alisonashwell

November 30, 2004

In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:06:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

marin@... writes:

> I don't think that most chronically hypo

> people convert to T3 very well

one to explain this is that it's known that with any illness...folks don't

convert well. hypo is an illness...and it's inherent then that good conversion

does not occur. Dr. Young explains this in his book, Thyroid - Guardian of

Health.

cindi

November 30, 2004

In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:06:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

marin@... writes:

> yet I may never be able to

> get past 3 grains because I may have cellular resistance in one body part,

> but very sensitive uptake of T3 in another part

exactly. this was my problem. My digestive system couldn't take the 4 1/2

grains without problems....even though the rest of my body LOVED it. So I'm

having to find a compromise on something less. Now at 3 3/4 grains...and hoping

other hypo symptoms don't come back...although the tummy is much better.

cindi

November 30, 2004

In a message dated 11/30/2004 12:26:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> so then my last increase of Armour up to l 3/4 grains could have been the

> cause of my acid indigestion problems?

>

i don't know about the acid indigestion.

my digestive ailments with too much Armour was pain and cramping and frequent

bowel movements.

cindi

November 30, 2004

I think you may have become allergic to something in the $ynthroid, probably

a filler, but aside from that, I don't think that most chronically hypo

people convert to T3 very well OR, most likely have a lot of cellular

resistance. The direct natural T3 in natural thyroid, IMO, actually helps

to force more into the cells, plus the other myriads of benefits of Armour.

I am taking a lot more Armour than they advise on the Armour site, as far as

the ratios for this. I KNOW I was undertreated on first 100 mcgs Levoxyl,

then 125 mcgs, even if my body had stayed atuned to the stuff, but I'm now

taking 2 full grains and 15 mgs of Armour, so they certainly don't have a

very accurate calculation of all this, IMO. What you're saying IS what I'm

saying. It's about double what the site says it is, or even more, depending

on what kind of damage was done in what part of a person's body. This is

what NONE of these doctors take into acct. Different people's bodies have

different injury from place to place, with more cellular resistance in one

part and not in another part. Then, in another person, it's all different,

so these comparisons are totally worthless. So 'n So may have cellular

resistance in every single body part and will have to take 9 grains for the

rest of her/his life, without batting an eyelash, yet I may never be able to

get past 3 grains because I may have cellular resistance in one body part,

but very sensitive uptake of T3 in another part. I think that this is why

many of us take longer to raise it, or may never be able to raise it to

where one particular body part becomes totally healthy. It's sort of like

different neighborhoods in the same city. One part is better, another is

not. One part is hyper sensitive to the T3, another part is not.

Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research Labs

>

> ;

>

> You know, I've read this before, but as far as it feels in my

> system (I don't know about anyone else); it seems that 30mgs armour

> feels about the same strength as 25 mcgs of synthroid. I should note

> that I felt I had a real sensitivity to synthroid, so for someone

> else, 25 mcgs may not feel like much, but I was climbing the walls!

> I experienced both hyper and hypo symptons on even such a miniscule

> dosage.

>

> Sim

November 30, 2004

>>My digestive system couldn't take the 4 1/2

grains without problems....even though the rest of my body LOVED it. So I'm

having to find a compromise on something less. Now at 3 3/4 grains...and hoping

other hypo symptoms don't come back...although the tummy is much better.<<

I think this is where it becomes necessary to tweak the dosages with either

extra T4 or T3. I know until I added in the extra T3 I take, I was not healing.

I was not even close to feeling good again.

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November 30, 2004

So you think extra T3 improves digestion? I've been having digestive problems

increasing worse since starting generic Armour Nov. 3rd. The last increase to l

3/4 grains on 11-25 made it really bad with horrible acid reflux. I think it's

the thyroid supplementation that could be causing it anyway...not sure tho.

What I've been doing for it is drinking celery juice before meals & at bedtime &

drinking chamomile tea after meals & at bedtime. They both help a lot.

Also aloe vera juice helps heal it too I've read & noticed. I'm also taking

Primal Defense probiotic 2x/day 'tween meals which I thought might be making it

worse but that makes no sense because it's supposed to heal digestive problems.

I also elevated the head of my bed & that's helping too.

Whatever I can read or find to do that helps I'll try until I can get my Armour

up to max dosage eventually. Then if, by 3 grains or so, I'm still having

indigestion problems, I may think about trying extra T3. Is that about what you

did?

Caroline

Re: Re: Nature-Throid - Western Research

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>>My digestive system couldn't take the 4 1/2

grains without problems....even though the rest of my body LOVED it. So I'm

having to find a compromise on something less. Now at 3 3/4 grains...and

hoping

other hypo symptoms don't come back...although the tummy is much better.<<

I think this is where it becomes necessary to tweak the dosages with either

extra T4 or T3. I know until I added in the extra T3 I take, I was not healing.

I was not even close to feeling good again.

November 30, 2004