Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 and Carnitor. Any ideas? Thanks and smiles, a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B 100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins. I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner. My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves (hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense it may help. Take care, RH > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > Thanks and smiles, > a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 RH, Thanks for the response. I didn't know that there was a supplement for NADH. That is another thing that I was told was a problem. I know the multi- mineral is helping, if for nothing else, it helps with motility issues. :-) Thanks and smiles, a On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:41:20 -0000 " ohgminion " rakshasis@...> writes: I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B 100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins. I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner. My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves (hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense it may help. Take care, RH > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > Thanks and smiles, > a Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Hi, RH Such a good point for us to remember, that it is an individual thing, and we have to try to figure out what does and doesn't help us. You stated it well. I don't know what NADH is. Could you give a little more detail? And possible where to get it, if it makes sense for me? Thanks And thank you all for sharing your experieces, knowledge, wisdom and concerns. I check my emails here regularly, and find this site is a great help to me. Sunny > I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't > take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B > 100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins. > > I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's > on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner. > > My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or > supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all > mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my > experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really > quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves > (hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it > is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense > it may help. > > Take care, > RH > > > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > E, B1 > > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > help). > > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > CoQ10 > > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks and smiles, > > a > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained > herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the > postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their > own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends > one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 If they are helping to slow down cell death, then they are helping, even if you don't " feel " like they are doing anything. a C Koch wrote: >As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or >Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 >and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). >I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 >and Carnitor. Any ideas? > >Thanks and smiles, >a > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I tried some of the NADH and it made ME feel like I was drunk. YMMV ohgminion wrote: >I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't >take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B >100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins. > >I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's >on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner. > >My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or >supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all >mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my >experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really >quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves >(hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it >is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense >it may help. > >Take care, >RH > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, >> >> >E, B1 > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does >> >> >help). > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the >> >> >CoQ10 > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? >> >>Thanks and smiles, >>a >> >> > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 > > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > >> > >> > >E, B1 > > > > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > >> > >> > >help). > > > > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > >> > >> > >CoQ10 > > > > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? > >> > >>Thanks and smiles, > >>a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Maybe that's why I like it!? Seriously, I get really bad insomnia (can't sleep more than 1 hour but really tired all day) with CoQ10 and have seizures with Carnitor, so it isn't " well just take it because it might help " , they actually give me bad side effects. The NADH doesn't hurt me and seems to help, making me feel more alert without affecting my sleep (can even take it at night), so I suspect we have different mito conditions. My understanding is that I have a Complex I defect from a nDNA mutation, not a mtDNA mutation. Take care, RH > > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > >> > >> > >E, B1 > > > > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > >> > >> > >help). > > > > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > >> > >> > >CoQ10 > > > > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? > >> > >>Thanks and smiles, > >>a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad *percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many *total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are. I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering drugs, and that's a bad thing... Take care, RH > > > > > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate > COQ10 or > > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin > C, > > >> > > >> > > >E, B1 > > > > > > > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which > does > > >> > > >> > > >help). > > > > > > > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without > the > > >> > > >> > > >CoQ10 > > > > > > > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > >> > > >>Thanks and smiles, > > >>a > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. > The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. > List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the > content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding > changes in their own treatment. > > > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the > severity of the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Maybe that's why I like it!? Seriously, I get really bad insomnia (can't sleep more than 1 hour but really tired all day) with CoQ10 and have seizures with Carnitor, so it isn't " well just take it because it might help " , they actually give me bad side effects. The NADH doesn't hurt me and seems to help, making me feel more alert without affecting my sleep (can even take it at night), so I suspect we have different mito conditions. My understanding is that I have a Complex I defect from a nDNA mutation, not a mtDNA mutation. Take care, RH > > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > >> > >> > >E, B1 > > > > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > >> > >> > >help). > > > > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > >> > >> > >CoQ10 > > > > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? > >> > >>Thanks and smiles, > >>a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad *percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many *total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are. I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering drugs, and that's a bad thing... Take care, RH > > > > > > > > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate > COQ10 or > > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin > C, > > >> > > >> > > >E, B1 > > > > > > > > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which > does > > >> > > >> > > >help). > > > > > > > > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without > the > > >> > > >> > > >CoQ10 > > > > > > > > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > >> > > >>Thanks and smiles, > > >>a > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. > The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. > List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the > content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding > changes in their own treatment. > > > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the > severity of the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH. There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available. http://www.enadalert.com/ I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know about NADH in general. For a layperson, it's another form of niacin, so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin. I have no idea whether they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should... Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not. But I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately metabolize it. Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about what options are out there. I really don't see that many doctors taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new supplements and figuring out what works. Take care, RH > > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > > > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > > E, B1 > > > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > > help). > > > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > > CoQ10 > > > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks and smiles, > > > a > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained > > herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > > this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > > reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the > > postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their > > own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends > > one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > > the attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 See my other post (before this one), and IMHO, it's frustrating that the doctors don't help one find supplements that work, mine seems more likely to try a prescription medication then suggest different supplements (other than throwing the mito cocktail list at me, too many choices and no guidance as to what might work). I think I need a nap after so much typing... Take care, RH > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, > E, B1 > > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does > help). > > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the > CoQ10 > > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks and smiles, > > a > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained > herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings > and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own > treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one > is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the > attack. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Not that I know of. whoewe2002 wrote: > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate >>>> >>>> >COQ10 or > > >>>>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin >>>> >>>> >C, > > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>E, B1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which >>>> >>>> >does > > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>help). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>CoQ10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>and Carnitor. Any ideas? >>>> >>>>Thanks and smiles, >>>>a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements >>> >>> >contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. >The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. >List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the >content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding >changes in their own treatment. > > >>>Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who >>> >>> >sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the >severity of the attack. > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Interesting. My mito doc was one of the ones that said it couldn't pass through the wall of the the mitochondria. ohgminion wrote: >I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of >different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH. >There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available. > >http://www.enadalert.com/ > >I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know >about NADH in general. For a layperson, it's another form of niacin, >so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin. I have no idea whether >they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should... > >Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial >research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the >mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not. But >I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by >the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately >metabolize it. > >Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to >find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about >what options are out there. I really don't see that many doctors >taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new >supplements and figuring out what works. > >Take care, >RH > > > >>> > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate >>> >>> >COQ10 or > > >>> > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as >>> >>> >Vitamin C, > > >>> E, B1 >>> > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which >>> >>> >does > > >>> help). >>> > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are >>> >>> >without the > > >>> CoQ10 >>> > and Carnitor. Any ideas? >>> > >>> > Thanks and smiles, >>> > a >>> >>> >>> >>>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements >>> >>> >contained > > >>>herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The >>> >>> >author of > > >>>this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members >>> >>> >are > > >>>reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the >>>postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in >>> >>> >their > > >>>own treatment. >>> >>> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who >>> >>> >sends > > >>>one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the >>> >>> >severity of > > >>>the attack. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Thank you very much, RH. Will give it a try. > I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of > different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH. > There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available. > > http://www.enadalert.com/ > > I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know > about NADH in general. For a layperson, it's another form of niacin, > so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin. I have no idea whether > they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should... > > Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial > research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the > mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not. But > I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by > the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately > metabolize it. > > Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to > find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about > what options are out there. I really don't see that many doctors > taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new > supplements and figuring out what works. > > Take care, > RH > > > > > > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate > COQ10 or > > > > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as > Vitamin C, > > > E, B1 > > > > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which > does > > > help). > > > > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are > without the > > > CoQ10 > > > > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks and smiles, > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained > > > herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The > author of > > > this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members > are > > > reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the > > > postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in > their > > > own treatment. > > > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends > > > one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the > severity of > > > the attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 RH There is a list of meds that cause depletion in CoQ10 and others on the web site. laurie > > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:35:22 -0000 > To: > Subject: Re: Mito cocktail > > I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week > on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle > biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how > many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad > *percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many > *total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad > mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is > all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are. > > I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I > do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering > drugs, and that's a bad thing... > > Take care, > RH > > > > >>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate >> COQ10 or >>>>> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin >> C, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> E, B1 >>>> >>>> >>>>> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which >> does >>>>> >>>>> >>>> help). >>>> >>>> >>>>> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without >> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> CoQ10 >>>> >>>> >>>>> and Carnitor. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and smiles, >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements >> contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. >> The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. >> List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the >> content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding >> changes in their own treatment. >>>> >>>> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who >> sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the >> severity of the attack. >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 a Incomplete metabolism caused lactic buildup and free radicals which further damages the mitochondria. Any of the anti-oxidents should help in this part of treatment. laurie > > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:04:38 -0600 > To: > Subject: Mito cocktail > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > Thanks and smiles, > a > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is > entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their > physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 and Laurie, Thanks for your input. I will continue on the vitamins, as I am sure they are helping. My pharmacist was glad that I was taking antioxidants, so I am sure that there is something that is helping. The CoQ10 and Carnitor made me very sick, which is why I was told not to take it anymore. Smiles, a On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:16:38 -0500 Laureta Fitzgerald lfitzger@...> writes: a Incomplete metabolism caused lactic buildup and free radicals which further damages the mitochondria. Any of the anti-oxidents should help in this part of treatment. laurie > > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:04:38 -0600 > To: > Subject: Mito cocktail > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1 > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help). > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10 > and Carnitor. Any ideas? > > Thanks and smiles, > a > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is > entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their > physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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