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As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1

and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help).

I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10

and Carnitor. Any ideas?

Thanks and smiles,

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I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't

take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B

100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins.

I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's

on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner.

My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or

supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all

mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my

experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really

quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves

(hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it

is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense

it may help.

Take care,

RH

> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C,

E, B1

> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

help).

> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the

CoQ10

> and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>

> Thanks and smiles,

> a

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RH,

Thanks for the response. I didn't know that there was a

supplement for NADH. That is another thing that I was told was a

problem. I know the multi- mineral is helping, if for nothing else, it

helps with motility issues. :-)

Thanks and smiles,

a

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:41:20 -0000 " ohgminion " rakshasis@...>

writes:

I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't

take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B

100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins.

I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's

on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner.

My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or

supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all

mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my

experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really

quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves

(hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it

is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense

it may help.

Take care,

RH

> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C,

E, B1

> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

help).

> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the

CoQ10

> and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>

> Thanks and smiles,

> a

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Hi, RH

Such a good point for us to remember, that it is an individual thing,

and we have to try to figure out what does and doesn't help us. You

stated it well.

I don't know what NADH is. Could you give a little more detail? And

possible where to get it, if it makes sense for me?

Thanks

And thank you all for sharing your experieces, knowledge, wisdom and

concerns. I check my emails here regularly, and find this site is a

great help to me.

Sunny

> I think it really depends on the person.  You sound like me, I can't

> take CoQ10 or Carnitor either.  I also had problems when taking a B

> 100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins.

>

> I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's

> on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner.

>

> My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or

> supplements can help different people.  I did originally think " all

> mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my

> experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really

> quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves

> (hopefully with our doctors' help).  NADH is interesting because it

> is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense

> it may help.

>

> Take care,

> RH

>

>

> > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

> > Carnitor.  I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C,

> E, B1

> > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

> help).

> > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the

> CoQ10

> > and Carnitor.  Any ideas?

> >

> > Thanks and smiles,

> > a

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If they are helping to slow down cell death, then they are helping, even

if you don't " feel " like they are doing anything.

a C Koch wrote:

>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1

>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help).

>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10

>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>

>Thanks and smiles,

>a

>

>

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I tried some of the NADH and it made ME feel like I was drunk. YMMV

ohgminion wrote:

>I think it really depends on the person. You sound like me, I can't

>take CoQ10 or Carnitor either. I also had problems when taking a B

>100 complex, but haven't tried individual B vitamins.

>

>I take sublingual NADH (ENADAlert brand) and find it helps me, it's

>on my " mito cocktail " list from Dr. Shoffner.

>

>My understanding is that one or more of the vitamins, medications, or

>supplements can help different people. I did originally think " all

>mito patients should be on CoQ10 and Carnitor " but after my

>experience (and yours), I think each person's condition is really

>quite different, and we have to figure it out for ourselves

>(hopefully with our doctors' help). NADH is interesting because it

>is the other component of the Complex I reaction, so it makes sense

>it may help.

>

>Take care,

>RH

>

>

>

>

>>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

>>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C,

>>

>>

>E, B1

>

>

>>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

>>

>>

>help).

>

>

>>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the

>>

>>

>CoQ10

>

>

>>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>>

>>Thanks and smiles,

>>a

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

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> >

> >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

COQ10 or

> >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

C,

> >>

> >>

> >E, B1

> >

> >

> >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

does

> >>

> >>

> >help).

> >

> >

> >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

the

> >>

> >>

> >CoQ10

> >

> >

> >>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> >>

> >>Thanks and smiles,

> >>a

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Maybe that's why I like it!? Seriously, I get really bad insomnia

(can't sleep more than 1 hour but really tired all day) with CoQ10

and have seizures with Carnitor, so it isn't " well just take it

because it might help " , they actually give me bad side effects.

The NADH doesn't hurt me and seems to help, making me feel more alert

without affecting my sleep (can even take it at night), so I suspect

we have different mito conditions. My understanding is that I have a

Complex I defect from a nDNA mutation, not a mtDNA mutation.

Take care,

RH

> >

> >

> >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10

or

> >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

C,

> >>

> >>

> >E, B1

> >

> >

> >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

> >>

> >>

> >help).

> >

> >

> >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

the

> >>

> >>

> >CoQ10

> >

> >

> >>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> >>

> >>Thanks and smiles,

> >>a

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week

on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle

biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how

many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad

*percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many

*total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad

mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is

all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are.

I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I

do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering

drugs, and that's a bad thing...

Take care,

RH

> > >

> > >

> > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

> COQ10 or

> > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

> C,

> > >>

> > >>

> > >E, B1

> > >

> > >

> > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

> does

> > >>

> > >>

> > >help).

> > >

> > >

> > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

> the

> > >>

> > >>

> > >CoQ10

> > >

> > >

> > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> > >>

> > >>Thanks and smiles,

> > >>a

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Maybe that's why I like it!? Seriously, I get really bad insomnia

(can't sleep more than 1 hour but really tired all day) with CoQ10

and have seizures with Carnitor, so it isn't " well just take it

because it might help " , they actually give me bad side effects.

The NADH doesn't hurt me and seems to help, making me feel more alert

without affecting my sleep (can even take it at night), so I suspect

we have different mito conditions. My understanding is that I have a

Complex I defect from a nDNA mutation, not a mtDNA mutation.

Take care,

RH

> >

> >

> >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10

or

> >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

C,

> >>

> >>

> >E, B1

> >

> >

> >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

> >>

> >>

> >help).

> >

> >

> >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

the

> >>

> >>

> >CoQ10

> >

> >

> >>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> >>

> >>Thanks and smiles,

> >>a

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators.

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List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the

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I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week

on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle

biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how

many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad

*percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many

*total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad

mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is

all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are.

I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I

do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering

drugs, and that's a bad thing...

Take care,

RH

> > >

> > >

> > >>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

> COQ10 or

> > >>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

> C,

> > >>

> > >>

> > >E, B1

> > >

> > >

> > >>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

> does

> > >>

> > >>

> > >help).

> > >

> > >

> > >>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

> the

> > >>

> > >>

> > >CoQ10

> > >

> > >

> > >>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> > >>

> > >>Thanks and smiles,

> > >>a

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators.

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I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of

different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH.

There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available.

http://www.enadalert.com/

I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know

about NADH in general. For a layperson, it's another form of niacin,

so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin. I have no idea whether

they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should...

Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial

research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the

mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not. But

I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by

the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately

metabolize it.

Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to

find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about

what options are out there. I really don't see that many doctors

taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new

supplements and figuring out what works.

Take care,

RH

> > > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

COQ10 or

> > > Carnitor.  I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as

Vitamin C,

> > E, B1

> > > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

does

> > help).

> > > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are

without the

> > CoQ10

> > > and Carnitor.  Any ideas?

> > >

> > > Thanks and smiles,

> > > a

> >

> >

> >

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

contained

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See my other post (before this one), and IMHO, it's frustrating that

the doctors don't help one find supplements that work, mine seems

more likely to try a prescription medication then suggest different

supplements (other than throwing the mito cocktail list at me, too

many choices and no guidance as to what might work).

I think I need a nap after so much typing...

Take care,

RH

> > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10

or

> > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

C,

> E, B1

> > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

> help).

> > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

the

> CoQ10

> > and Carnitor. Any ideas?

> >

> > Thanks and smiles,

> > a

>

>

>

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Not that I know of.

whoewe2002 wrote:

>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

>>>>

>>>>

>COQ10 or

>

>

>>>>Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

>>>>

>>>>

>C,

>

>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>E, B1

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

>>>>

>>>>

>does

>

>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>help).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

>>>>

>>>>

>the

>

>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>CoQ10

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>>>>

>>>>Thanks and smiles,

>>>>a

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

>>>

>>>

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>The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content.

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>content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding

>changes in their own treatment.

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>

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>>>

>>>

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>severity of the attack.

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Interesting. My mito doc was one of the ones that said it couldn't pass

through the wall of the the mitochondria.

ohgminion wrote:

>I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of

>different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH.

>There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available.

>

>http://www.enadalert.com/

>

>I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know

>about NADH in general. For a layperson, it's another form of niacin,

>so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin. I have no idea whether

>they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should...

>

>Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial

>research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the

>mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not. But

>I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by

>the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately

>metabolize it.

>

>Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to

>find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about

>what options are out there. I really don't see that many doctors

>taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new

>supplements and figuring out what works.

>

>Take care,

>RH

>

>

>

>>> > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

>>>

>>>

>COQ10 or

>

>

>>> > Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as

>>>

>>>

>Vitamin C,

>

>

>>> E, B1

>>> > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

>>>

>>>

>does

>

>

>>> help).

>>> > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are

>>>

>>>

>without the

>

>

>>> CoQ10

>>> > and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>>> >

>>> > Thanks and smiles,

>>> > a

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

>>>

>>>

>contained

>

>

>>>herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The

>>>

>>>

>author of

>

>

>>>this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members

>>>

>>>

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>

>

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>>>postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in

>>>

>>>

>their

>

>

>>>own treatment.

>>>

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>>>

>>>

>sends

>

>

>>>one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the

>>>

>>>

>severity of

>

>

>>>the attack.

>>>

>>>

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Thank you very much, RH. Will give it a try.

> I got the NADH online from HerbsMD.com, but there are a lot of

> different brands that have the same ENADAlert formulation of NADH. 

> There are both tablets and sublingual tablets available.

>

> http://www.enadalert.com/

>

> I have a strong cell biology and biochemistry background, so I know

> about NADH in general.  For a layperson, it's another form of niacin,

> so it's essentially a glorified B vitamin.  I have no idea whether

> they have done studies like Tishcon has, but they probably should...

>

> Interesting thing was that the NIH discussion group on mitochondrial

> research had a rousing discussion about whether NADH can get into the

> mitochondria, and people were split on whether it could or not.  But

> I've found it works for me, and taking it sublingual makes it pass by

> the digestive system, so the liver isn't able to immediately

> metabolize it.

>

> Thanks for the encouragement regarding sharing info, it's hard to

> find the time sometimes but it really helps all of us to think about

> what options are out there.  I really don't see that many doctors

> taking interest in our day to day struggles with taking new

> supplements and figuring out what works.

>

> Take care,

> RH

>

>

>

> > >  > As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

> COQ10 or

> > >  > Carnitor.  I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as

> Vitamin C,

> > >  E, B1

> > >  > and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

> does

> > >  help).

> > >  > I was wondering how effective the other supplements are

> without the

> > >  CoQ10

> > >  > and Carnitor.  Any ideas?

> > >  >

> > >  > Thanks and smiles,

> > >  > a

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements

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There is a list of meds that cause depletion in CoQ10 and others on the

web site.

laurie

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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:35:22 -0000

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> Subject: Re: Mito cocktail

>

> I'll chime in on this since I just talked with a mito doc last week

> on a similar subject. The study in Texas I mentioned involved needle

> biopsies that measured how many " bad " mitochondria compared to how

> many wild type " good " mitochondria. Some studies have found more bad

> *percentage-wise*, but they are only now able to quantify how many

> *total* mitochondria. The theory is that both good and bad

> mitochondria are increased, and the increase in good mitochondria is

> all that is important, regardless of how many bad there are.

>

> I don't know off-hand if CoQ10 stops cell death in everybody, but I

> do know it is depleted when one takes certain cholesterol-lowering

> drugs, and that's a bad thing...

>

> Take care,

> RH

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>>>>> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate

>> COQ10 or

>>>>> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin

>> C,

>>>>>

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>>>> E, B1

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>>>>

>>>>> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which

>> does

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>>>> help).

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>>>>> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without

>> the

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> CoQ10

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks and smiles,

>>>>> a

>>>>>

>>>>>

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Incomplete metabolism caused lactic buildup and free radicals which further

damages the mitochondria. Any of the anti-oxidents should help in this part

of treatment.

laurie

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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:04:38 -0600

> To:

> Subject: Mito cocktail

>

> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E, B1

> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does help).

> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the CoQ10

> and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>

> Thanks and smiles,

> a

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and Laurie,

Thanks for your input. I will continue on the vitamins, as I am

sure they are helping. My pharmacist was glad that I was taking

antioxidants, so I am sure that there is something that is helping. The

CoQ10 and Carnitor made me very sick, which is why I was told not to take

it anymore.

Smiles,

a

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:16:38 -0500 Laureta Fitzgerald

lfitzger@...> writes:

a

Incomplete metabolism caused lactic buildup and free radicals which

further

damages the mitochondria. Any of the anti-oxidents should help in this

part

of treatment.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:04:38 -0600

> To:

> Subject: Mito cocktail

>

> As some of you might know, I have not been able to tolerate COQ10 or

> Carnitor. I am on other parts of the cocktail, such as Vitamin C, E,

B1

> and B2, plus a multi-mineral that my doctor put me on (which does

help).

> I was wondering how effective the other supplements are without the

CoQ10

> and Carnitor. Any ideas?

>

> Thanks and smiles,

> a

>

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained

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